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believe for today and we need to hold that thought that justice is possible. >> and that's the governor of minnesota speaking i mentioned that we're approaching the top of the hour and the news hour here on cnbc we'll have highlights of this, plus the president and vice president, the the police chief just ahead right here this is the news on cnbc breaking news coverage we have now listened to george floyd's family after a jury found derek chauvin guilty on all counts and now we're waiting for remarks from president biden and vice president harris. celebration and cheering erupting outside the court house as well as outside the corner store where george floyd died. listen to the moment the verdict was read and the reaction outside the court house. >> the jury in the above entitled matter as to count 1, unintentional second-degree
murder finds the defendant guilty [ cheering ] >> as to count two we the jury in the above-entitled matter of count two, find the defendant guilty >> no reaction that we could see at least through the mask from derek chauvin. but following the verdict the bailiffs put handcuffs on him as you see here the ex-cop led out of the courtroom, his bail revoked. moments ago we heard from george floyd's brother, philonise floyd. >> i feel relieved today that i finally have the opportunity for hopefully getting some sleep a lot of days that i prayed and i hoped and i was speaking everything i said i have faith that he will be convicted >> and now, a live look on a
remote that we have coming in from the news conference the reverend jesse jackson speaking let's listen >> i think about omar being the congresswoman, samoan, and the attorney general, the people in this state have been silent too long, they have to speak back and fight back i want to thank all of the media who have covered this story and the people on the team of keith were black and white we must learn to live together as brothers. we will live together. i want to express my thanks to all those who come together today because we're going to keep marching. as soon as there's a funeral for
brother wright we're relieved but can't celebrate. i hope this is broken the backbone of legal lynching this case should break the backbone of legal lynching they have lynched us with the law. we're changing that. thank you very much. >> break the backbone of legal lynching the reverend jesse jackson speaking live. we also heard from the prosecutors after the conviction >> i want to thank the jury for their service, for doing what was right and decent and correct and speaking the truth and finding the right verdict in this case. >> a guilty verdict on all counts cnbc's frank holland was live outside the court house as it happened and is live with us now. frank? >> shep, what a difference a day can make yesterday so much tension, anxiety, anticipation here in the city of minneapolis. today a sense of relief and generally a release. you can feel all that tension.
anxiety and anticipation lifted from this city behind me is the courthouse where that guilty verdict was given to derek chauvin just to my left is the back side of that courthouse where people were celebrating that verdict against derek chauvin. we'll show you some video right now, just the reaction of people outside, just feeling as if a change had happened, at least in their city many people felt like a change happened in the world. we spoke to one minneapolis resident here's what he had to say about the verdict and the emotional, almost religious experience that he had when it was read. >> my emotion during the trial was anxiety, a heightened level of anxiety, concerned about which way this would turn out and what the reaction of the city would be. but to look at it now, it's like a day of jubilee you know, a celebration and what we're here for but also let me be clear about this, it's also bittersweet. sweet from the standpoint that we love george floyd, we got justice today. but this is only one particular
day. and what america should be paying attention to is what it took to get here, to get this day of jubilee and this day of justice. >> reporter: and that sense of it being bittersweet was echoed by so many other people. of course people were excited or they felt a sense of satisfaction to see derek chauvin convicted on all three counts at the same time, we cannot ever forget someone lost their life in this situation. george floyd lost his life during an arrest many people saying for them there's more work to be done and they don't want people to forget that george floyd did lose his life we spoke to one woman, she was literally in tears, saying that she lives here in minneapolis and she feels like it's a change but she didn't want people to forget what it took to reach that change. >> i don't even have words it's just been an incredibly long time coming we were so tense from day one of this trial we just wanted justice, and justice has been served.
>> reporter: she said so many people so tense. we also spoke to community organizers and other people who have been here in minneapolis speaking out about this issue, in many cases marching not too far from here is george floyd square, about a 15-minute drive a couple of miles away we saw people marching there, playing music, holding signs they wanted to be there at that place where so many people in this community are remembering george floyd we spoke to one of those community activists just about this movement. george floyd's death was a tragedy in many people's minds it's also become a movement not only here in minneapolis, not only here in the united states but around the world as people speak out about racial injustice. here's what he had to say about this movement and what it means. >> i can't believe where we've come from to where we're at now and seeing this happen here just gives me hope that america can change, you know, with race relations and everything being biracial, my mom and father, you know, they had to deal with it growing up and now
we're at this spot where all of us can just get a sigh of relief and say the next step is hopefully us building on this foundation, on trying to fix race relations in america. >> reporter: shep, a sigh of relief is often said as a cliche, as you well. it's a real thing here in minneapolis today. so many people just letting go of some of the tension and anxiety that they had before we also spoke to a woman and her daughter we spoke to a woman who brought her 9-year-old daughter out here i said why would you bring a 9-year-old out here not knowing how this was going to go with so much thought there could be social unrest or violence or looting or people just looking to express their anger she said she wanted her daughter to see history not knowing which way this would go, she just wanted her daughter to be here and she wanted her daughter to know that her mom was on the right side of it, at least in her opinion shep, back over to you. >> frank holland live at the courthouse frank, thanks very much. we've been hearing a large group of people, the george floyd
family speaking. we've heard the governor of minnesota speak. we're waiting to hear the mayor and police chief in minneapolis speak in just a moment the floyd family news conference is ongoing, but we now have word that the president and first lady are about to speak live from the white house -- president and first lady -- the first lady may be there as well, but the vice president is going to speak in fact it's the president and the vice president here's vice president harris >> good evening. first i want to thank the jury for their service and i want to thank mr. floyd's family for your steadfastness today we feel a sigh of relief still, it cannot take away the pain a measure of justice isn't the same as equal justice. this verdict brings us a step closer and the fact is we still have work to do.
we still must reform the system. last summer together with senator cory booker and representative karen bass, i introduced the george floyd justice and policing act this bill would hold law enforcement accountable and help build trust between law enforcement and our kmungts. this bill is part of george floyd's legacy the president and i will continue to urge the senate to pass this legislation. not as a panacea for every problem, but as a start. this work is long overdue. america has a long history of systemic racism. black americans and black men in particular have been treated throughout the course of our history as less than human
black men are fathers and brothers and sons and uncles and grandfathers and friends and neighbors. their lives must be valued in our education system, in our health care system, in our housing system, in our economic system, in our criminal justice system, in our nation. full stop. because of smartphones, so many americans have now seen the racial injustice that black americans have known for generations. the racial injustice that we have fought for generations, that my parents protested in the 1960s, that millions of us, americans of every race, protested last summer. here's the truth about racial
injustice. it is not just a black america problem or a people of color problem. it is a problem for every american it is keeping us from fulfilling the promise of liberty and justice for all. and it is holding our nation back from realizing our full potential. we are all a part of george floyd's legacy, and our job now is to honor it and to honor him. thank you. and now it is my great honor to introduce the president of the united states, joe biden.
>> today a jury in minnesota found former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin guilty on all counts in the murder of george floyd last may. it was a murder in full light of day and it ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see the systemic racism the vice president just referred to the systemic racism that's a stain on our nation's soul the knee on the neck of justice for black americans. profound fear and trauma, the pain, the exhaustion that black and brown americans experience every single day the murder of george floyd launched a summer of protests we hadn't seen since the civil
rights era in the '60s protests that unified people of every race and generation in peace and with purpose to say enough enough enough of this senseless killings today, today's verdict is a step forward. i just spoke with the governor of minnesota, who thanked me for the close work with his team i also spoke with george floyd's family again remarkable family of extraordinary courage. nothing can ever bring their brother, their father, back. but this can be a giant step forward in the march toward justice in america let's also be clear that such a verdict is also much too rare.
for so many people, it seems like it took a unique and extraordinary convergence of factors. a brave young woman with a smartphone camera, a crowd that was traumatized. traumatized witnesses. a murder that lasts almost ten minutes in broad daylight for ultimately the whole world to see. officers standing up and testifying against a fellow officer instead of just closing ranks, which should be commended. a jury who heard the evidence, carried out their civic duty in the moment, under pressure for so many, it feels like it took all of that for the judicial system to deliver a just, just basic accountability.
we saw how traumatic and exhausting just watching the trial was forso many people. think about it, those of you listening. think about how traumatic it was for you. you weren't there, you didn't know any of the people, but it was difficult, especially for the witnesses who had to relive that day it's a trauma. on top of the fear so many people of color live with every day when they go to sleep at night and pray for the safety of themselves and their loved ones. again, as we saw in this trial from the fellow police officers who testified, most men and women who wear the badge serve their communities honorably. but those few who fail to meet that standard must be held accountable, and they were today. one was. no one should be above the law
and today's verdict sends that message, but it's not enough it can't stop here in order to deliver real change and reform, we can and we must do more to reduce the likelihood that tragedies will ever happen and occur again. to ensure that black and brown people or anyone so they don't fear the interactions with law enforcement. that they don't have to wake up knowing that they can lose their very life in the course of just living their life. they don't have to worry about whether their sons or daughters will come home after a grocery store run, or just walking down the street or driving their car, playing in the park or just sleeping at home and this takes acknowledging and confronting head on systemic racism and the racial disparities that exist in policing and in our criminal
justice system more broadly. you know, state and local government and law enforcement needs to step up, but so does the federal government that's why i've appointed the leadership at the justice department that i have, that is fully committed to restoring trust between law enforcement and the community they are sworn to serve and protect i have complete confidence in the attorney general, general garland's leadership and commitment i've also nominated two key justice department nominees. anita gupta and kristen clark who are 'em neeminently qualifi, highly respected lawyers who have spent their entire careers fighting to advance racial equity and justice anita and kristen have the experience and the skill necessary to advance our administration's priorities to root out unconstitutional policing and reform our criminal
justice system and they deserve to be confirmed. we also need congress to act george floyd was murdered almost a year ago there's meaningful police reform legislation in his name. you just heard the vice president speak of it. she helped write it. legislation to tackle systemic misconduct in police departments, to restore trust between law enforcement and the people they're entrusted to serve and protect. but it shouldn't take a whole year to get this done. in my conversations with the floyd family, i spoke with them again today, i assured them we're going to continue to fight for the passage of the george floyd justice and policing act so i can sign it into law as quickly as possible. there's more to do finally it's the work we do every day to change hearts and minds as well as laws and policies
that's the work we have to do. only then will full justice and full equality be delivered to all americans. and that's what i just discussed with the floyd family. a guilty verdict does not bring back george. but through the family's pain, they're finding purpose, so george's legacy will not be just about his death but about what we must do in his memory i also spoke to giana, george's young daughter again when i met her last year, i've said this before at george's funeral, i told her how brave i thought she was. i knelt down to hold her hand. i said daddy is looking down on you, so proud. she said to me then, i'll never forget it, daddy changed the world. i told her this afternoon daddy
did change the world let that be his legacy a legacy of peace, not violence, and justice. peaceful expression of that legacy are inevitable and appropriate but violent protest is not there are those who will seek to exploit the raw emotions of the moment agitators and extremists who have no interest in social justice. who seek to carry out violence, destroy property, fan the flames of hate and division who will do everything in their power to stop this country's march toward racial justice. we can't let them succeed. this is a time for this country to come together, to unite as americans. we can never be any safe harbor for hate in america. i've said it many times, the battle for the soul of this
nation has been a constant push and pull for more than 240 years. a tug of war between the american ideal that we were all created equal and the harsh reality that racism has long torn us apart. at our best, the american ideal wins ut. so we can't leave this moment or look away thinking our work is done we have to look at it -- we look as we did for those 9 minutes and 29 seconds we have to listen. i can't breathe. i can't breathe. those were george floyd's last words. we can't let those words die with him we have to keep hearing those words. we must not turn away. we can't turn away we have a chance to begin to change the trajectory in this
country. that's my hope and prayer that we live up to the legacy may god bless you and may god bless george floyd and his family thank you for taking the time to be here. this can be a moment of significant change thank you. >> a moment of significant change president biden, vice president harris speaking at the white house on the heels of the george floyd -- the conviction of derek chauvin in the case of george floyd. he mentioned peaceful protests remember, there were so many concerns about what a not guilty verdict might bring well, look what a guilty verdict has brought. this is downtown minneapolis where there are peaceful protests, hundreds gathered. in washington, d.c., a similar scene there. you can hear -- see the dancing
in the streets and hear the celebrations this crowd was a bit larger a short time ago, but celebrating in what is -- is this the plaza? this is black lives matter plaza in washington where washingtonians and maybe some others have come together in celebration of others. a short time ago we were also looking in atlanta where there were peaceful demonstrations under way. across much of the country relief and on some level celebration that the justice system in this case on this day has brought justice. minnesota's attorney general, keith ellison, reacted today to the guilty verdict against derek chauvin. >> i would not call today's verdict justice, however, because justice implies true restoration. but it is accountability, which is the first step towards
justice. >> and a day when the system worked it was ellison's office, of course, that prosecuted this case with us now cornell brooks, former president, ceo of the naacp. the attorney general calling the verdict progress but saying the fight is not yet over, which seems like maybe the most obvious thing we could note today. >> i think the attorney general ellison spoke truthfully and candidly that justice has been moved forward, but justice in terms of restoration of george floyd's life, that's certainly not possible, but we need to commend and celebrate the wisdom and the courage of the jurors, the witnesses, people all across this country who hoped against hope that justice would be brought about, at least to the extent it could be in this courtroom. so it's incredibly important and
powerful in this moment. certainly the words of the president. >> i was going to say, it was very powerful hearing from philonise floyd and other members of the family, the civil rights members that were there certainly very powerful hearing from the first black vice president of the harris and the pres -- president of the united states and the president of the united states. you wonder if chief arradondo might have something to say to police officers and chiefs across the country >> i would think so. because this was a moment in which, think about it, president biden as someone who has strongly supported law enforcement and the reform of policing, he has spoken on behalf and to the george floyd family he closed his speech by saying god bless you and god bless the floyd family i would think that chief
arradondo has this moment, this opportunity to commend this account of accountability on behalf of the jurors with respect to derek chauvin, but also to challenge policing in this moment, police officers in this moment all across this country to step up and stand alongside this community of conscience, citizens of conscience in this country who are calling for just and constitutional policing. so this is an opportunity for the chief to do that >> mayor fry is coming to speak right now and we're expecting right after mayor fry chief arradondo. let's listen. >> we are a city on the precipice of extraordinary change and progress. we are a city that is collectively united around the change that has been prevented for generations and generations. we are a city that is going to
make that change we are a city that is hopefully an example for the rest of the world to follow. i want to thank george floyd's family i can't imagine the grief that they have been going through over these last 11 months and continue to go through right now. a daughter who's lost a father, family who's lost a son, and uncle. that pain will forever be there and it is a family that will forever be rendered incomplete regardless of the verdict that just came forward. this is a good day in minneapolis. it is a good day in minnesota. but let me be exceedingly clear, this is day one. this is day one. we've gone through 400 years of injustice, intentional discrimination, jim crow restrictive covenants that run
with the land and all forms of anti-blackness and structural racism that has impeded our black community. now is the time for that change. generation after generation, this measure of basic justice through our judicial system has been denied to our black community. that there will in fact be black residents in our city, in our state and in our nation that are stunned, in fact suspended in disbelief that the jury actually delivered this moment. well, that reality in and of itself speaks volumes for where we are the trauma our city has faced. the trauma our nation has faced. the pain over this last year, for some we've seen drop by drop a slow, steady, and unrelenting
uncertainty. and for so many it's been incalculable loss and solitude for our black neighbors in particular i know that the effects have been in so many ways torrential. the flood gates of 400 years worth of injustice hitting an entire community like a tidal wave there's no playbook for navigating these difficult times. no personal discipline or good intention that will somehow blunt this impact. justice has been rendered in this case, but we still have a long way to go to achieve true justice in our city and in our country. no matter your path to this moment in time, one thing is certain and that is no resident in our city has been immune from the grip of grief over these last 11 months i mentioned a minute ago that we've been defined as a city on
the edge but it is that precipice of change that we aim to define ourselves by going into the future we're building a new and inclusive community as we speak. we're piloting new ways of policing we're working towards alternative responses to safety beyond policing. and of course we're working alongside our chief arradondo. we are a city that is capable of extraordinary progress and what makes our democracy work and what will make our community stronger and what will ultimately inform our ability to honor george floyd's life in both word and deed will be our collective willingness to have that active participation in shaping our future, to make sure that the precision of our actions match the precision of
the harm that was initially inflicted, now is our time in this city. yes, there will be challenges, and i know we will meet them together with a shared sense of purpose and abiding commitment to racial justice and an unmatched love for the city of minneapolis. i want to take just a brief moment to, yes, again, thank the family of george floyd i want to thank the jurors, the witnesses, many of whom were city employees i want to thank every single staff member that has worked so tirelessly for the city of minneapolis over these last 11 months it's a difficult state to be operating in some form of crisis for that period of time, and they have done it. they have risen to that challenge. i want to thank our community. our community has stepped forward to hold us accountable our community has charged us
with rising to see the magnitude of this moment, and i'm hopeful that we will indeed meet that moment together. council vice president jenkins and councilmember o'connell have joined us. they are councilmembers that share the intersection through which george floyd was murdered, at which george floyd was murdered i would like to invite up counci councilmember jenkins who has been a champion of all the progress that we need to see. >> we're going to drop back in when the police chief comes up for reasons that have already been mentioned, do we have with us david henderson david henderson, i keep going back to this only because the journalist in me has seen this sort of thing for so long. i remember covering two separate
police trials in two separate local markets where no one even thought of, wow, do you think the police chief is going to testify? it wasn't even a matter of thought, much less the reality of the police chief coming forward and saying that cop did wrong. i suppose you could as a group try to throw anyone under the bus that you feel like, whether they're guilty or not. in this case the truth is obvious. but to do so is a new thing and i can't really get away from it right yet. >> shep, i think you're right to cling to it. it's new, it's unexpected. i don't think anyone would have believed that would have happened at the beginning of this trial more importantly, we're still waiting to see if it continues to happen in other trials moving forward. part of what we have to be in finding the strength to improve ourselves and improve our country is willing to believe in new possibilities. so we need to embrace this reality that a police chief came
forward, did the right thing and testified against one of his own, and we need to recognize that's a possibility in every city in america where justice is only served when that happens. we need to believe in that reality moving forward i know it's hard to because it seems so impossible, but i think it's necessary for change to continue >> this isn't over, of course. we still have a sentencing phase. arthur aidallo, to you on this the judge has a certain amount of latitude here i know the maximum is 40 years, but the judge has discretion >> the judge has enormous discretion here, shep, because chauvin doesn't have a record, so he could get sentenced at the lowest end of the guidelines. >> which would be 12 1/2 years. >> but there's going to be paperwork filed by the prosecutor saying that because of these aggregated circumstances, my guess is they'll recommend the highest
ending, which would be 40 years. i would anticipate that the judge is going to go somewhere in between there he's probably going to look at oar cases similarly situated, first in his immediate jurisdiction and then go outward from there and determine what he would find is reasonable in other circumstances and then weigh the pros and the cons here if i was going to make an educated guess, 25 years would be the guess that i would go. >> david, aggravating, mitigating and effect on community. your thoughts? >> you know, shep, the only thing that concerns me is judge cahill has been a bit defensive in this case i don't know where that manifests from his comments about representative waters, statements over the weekend, which ironically he compounded from the statements he made forecasting a guilty verdict but when you get this pushback, wantinging to drop a third-degree murder charge and if you read what the court
of appeals had to tell him about reinstating that charge in their opinion, it's hard to read his mindset. he wouldn't let the prosecutors get into some aspects of chauvin's past which involved other uses of force because he wouldn't let prosecutors portray him as a thumper i don't knowwhat that means he's likely to do in punishment but i'm concerned he's probably going to lean as being -- sentencing chauvin as conservatively as he can justify. >> david, thanks i want to talk to both of you about the trial for the three other police officers. they could have done this one of two ways the prosecutors made the decision to charge derek chauvin first and then the three other officers who were seen and were a part of all of this and hear they are their counts, aiding and abetting second-degree murder and aiding and abetting
second-degree manslaughter the reason the third-degree isn't in there is because back in the day when they were doing the charging against these two, the murder 3 was not in the cards. the court made that available eventually we're going to talk about that while we wait for chief arradondo to come up, a question many are asking, will the guilty verdict against derek chauvin change policing in america, at least begin the process. an assistance professor of african-american history at the university of iowa remains skeptical. writing in "the guardian," it would be wrong for people to think that the trial has some sort of larger, transformative potential for policing and punishment in this country simon joins us now he's also the author of "occupied territory, policing black chicago from red summer to black power. simon, thank you i'm sure you heard along with us president biden saying this can be a pivotal moment. you heard along with us, listen
to our first black vice president in vice president harris have wishful thoughts for the future, and yet you don't believe this is a seminal moment why? >> you can also look just to what the prosecutor said the prosecutors said that it was not going to be a transformative moment they literally said in closing arguments this case is not about the state of minnesota versus the police, and they made derek chauvin out to be a very, very singular actor when the reality is that derek chauvin is a man who has been trained -- who was trained over 20 years ago to do the type of work that he does. he was -- he killed george floyd in the course of doing police work, you know, and it's the type of police work that people, that officers are doing every day. you know, it doesn't always reach the same sorts of extremes and outcomes that happen when chauvin murdered george floyd, but policing exists upon a continuum of violence.
you know, that violence is embedded in the everyday threats and coercion that had this been a traffic stop to the things that happened when george floyd is murdered and adam toledo is murdered, so on and so forth until we actually take seriously the fact that this is a structural problem not an individualized one, i'm pretty skeptical about the transformative possibility of this verdict. >> i was listening a little while ago as the floyd family attorney, benjamin crump, said that he thinks a guilty verdict can set a precedent for policing is it possible that this would send a message not to individual law enforcement, though possibly, but to policing agencies, the 18,000 of them across the country, about how they should and should not conduct themselves, their training and their hiring? >> i mean it's a good question my suspicion is not.
i mean, you know, when we listen to the officers who testified against derek chauvin, including his former boss, they essentially were saying that he violated department protocol that he was wrong to kneel on george floyd's neck for as long as he did. he applied pressure to the wrong part of george floyd's body, so on and so forth. never was it a question of should police officers ever kneel upon someone's neck. you know, until we are actually having those types of conversations, i don't know that there is -- that police departments are really going to be taking this all that seriously. and we can go back just a short while ago when jason van dyke was convicted for the murder of laquan mcdonald and you don't need much evidence other than the recent killing of adam toledo to know that that didn't change the conduct of chicago police at all. and so i'm very, very skeptical about the transformative nature of this, even within causing
police departments themselves to reflect upon the things that they do and the policies that they hold. >> speaking with simon balto, the assistant professor of african-american history at the university of iowa simon, you specifically pointed out the role of the other officers in this case and you wrote this their inaction is the tell expand on that, if you could >> well, what i meant when i said that in that "guardian" piece is what derek chauvin was doing to george floyd did not strike his colleagues as so outside of the bounds of everyday police work as to warrant their prevention so when they watched derek chauvin murder george floyd, it was not so exceptional in their minds as to give them pause to jump in and say, hey, what you're doing is wrong and you are literally killing this person and we should intervene and so what i mean when i say
it's the tell is that you can infer all that you can infer from the fact that it did not strike them all that extraordinary or out of bounds of everyday rhythms of their work so as to warrant some sort of intervention. >> you know, you could say maybe they weren't close enough, maybe they didn't realize, but there were three right there who were charged with aiding and abetting the others on the outside, it was curious as we went through all of those videos that there were plenty of people saying you've got to stop this. there were plenty saying you're cutting off his oxygen there were plenty saying he can't breathe. there was one or two saying he's not moving but those were all bystanders. >> right. >> maybe part of this is on us. >> and literally children.
you have children -- and this is -- this is to echo what i think was a very powerful moment of the prosecutor's closing arguments, which is to say that a literal child who's looking upon this scene and saying this is not right and a 9-year-old is able to recognize injustice and brutality in a way that grown men who are employed by the minneapolis police department are not. >> simon balto, can't thank you enough for your time and your insights have a great night. >> you too. former police officer derek chauvin's guilty verdict means that he is now just the second police officer in minnesota ever to be convicted of murder for an on-duty incident in that state bill bratton is with us, who was police commissioner in new york city, then boston, and chief of police in los angeles as well. bill, it's great to see you again, as we have over many years in difficult circumstances. tonight in your estimation as
one with worlds of experience, could this incident and this verdict have the power to change policing in america? >> i believe it has and will i've been watching the comments so many of my former colleagues, chiefs of police around america on their social media sites so i disagree with your previous guest in the sense that he doesn't believe this will be a seminal moment in american policing it is, because you now have american police leadership as reflected in those comments that they're making -- comments they have been making over the last year since the murder of mr. floyd that american policing, where it is today is certainly not where it was in 1970 in my coming book that will be out in june, i reflect on those 50 years, that arc of history, if you will. the good news is that we have come a long way. the bad news is we still have a
long way to go but the death of mr. floyd will accelerate and make much more comprehensive that process of change and you see it already in the sense of the president of the united states, the vice president tonight speaking out in defense, if you will, and in support of the legislation that they have filed. we'll now see if the congress of the united states, particularly the senate, steps up to embrace that police reform that is being proposed by the president and that is supported by most american police chiefs and their organizations, iacp, national sheriffs organizations this is an important time in the history of our country, an important time in the profession that i am proud to be part of the last 50 years and still say very much associated with. >> i'm guessing many beat cops in los angeles and boston and new york, all of whom at one point served under you are
looking around and they know, they know who the ones are among their ranks, and i'm not saying it's one bad apple i'm not saying that at all but they know who the ones are around them who don't have the kind of respect for life that police officers have, who don't understand at the core of their being that theirs is to protect and serve, that it is noble and honorable and to be respected. and is there a chance in your mind that those who are just what i described might help leadership weed out those who are not? >> oh, i think so. i definitely think so. i've had had the privilege of leading in boston, lapd, twice in the city of new york. countless thousands who want to do the right thing, do the right thing, every day do the right thing. and the ability to weed out those who do not, the ability to keep them out in the first place
or despite some of the archaic arbitration laws we have to deal with, we get rid of them from one department and they migrate to another department, those things are changing. one of the things at the moment, the difficulty of recruiting qualified capable candidates in the 21st century, we're having difficulty in many departments around the country there's even calls to diminish qualifications we should be not defunding police but effectively funding police sufficiently to recruit the best and the brightest, pay them well, train them well if there's one great deficiency in american policing today, it is training. there's not enough of it at the beginning of the career. there is definitely not enough of it during the course of their career police, when they have the power to take their life, like a doctor, we require doctors to keep abreast of their profession and the changes in their profession throughout their
career we don't have the same standards for police who also have the capability and power to take your life at any particular point in time. we need to change that. >> chief bratton, as painful as it is, mirrors are sometimes painful and soelciety is looking at a painful moment. we can dance about this all we want, but this has clearly been going on for decades an decades and decades. it's not that this is new. it's because we can see it because there are cameras, and that means there's likely going to be more of it >> there will definitely be more of it. i wish it could end with this, but there will be more that's the reality of it. >> i wanted to get to my question, chief bratton, and that's this. is the culture within many police departments such that this sort of de-escalation, respect for life and fellow man, is there -- are there pockets of a lack of that to the degree
that we really do need to tear it all down and build it back up as they have talked about in minneapolis, and they have in some other cities? are we at a point where we have to re-evaluate everything and to do so we need to start over? >> no, not at all. we have an extraordinary group of police leaders in america today. we have many strong foundations. i'm proud of the time i spent policing, reforming and changing one of my greatest frustrations was the phenomenal changes we were making in the nypd, de-escalation training, training to deal with the various forms of drug addiction that the police encounter so many of the things and reforms that are being called for we were already doing. then after the death of mr. floyd, it was an etch-a-sketch moment as if there was no reform occurring over the last 30 years. there's been a great deal of it but there was a great deal to reform and it doesn't change overnight. the complexity of policing is not going to change overnight,
it's getting more difficult. it's like a rubik's cube police are only one square on that cube. we don't start addressing the issues of psychological issues that we have to face with so many people in the street, drug addiction. so much else that needs to be resolved before police reform can be impactful we need to be moving forward on a lot of fronts. there's a lot of focus on police at the moment. if you can put all your attention on police, you're not going to get the changes that you want until you broaden the reform efforts to ensure that all the things police are called upon to deal with, oftentimes with the inadequacy of the training and the skills that they have because the rest of society has not wanted to face up to the costs of dealing with the mentally ill, to deal with the drug addicted, to deal with poverty, to deal with the racial disparities in our country it doesn't all end up on the shoulders of police, it should not end up on the shoulders of police there's no denying police need reformed but they need to be reformed within the larger
reformation of our country. >> chief bill bratton, it's always nice to talk to you thanks for your insight tonight, chief. >> thank you pleasure being with you. >> we had to prepare for all contingencies obviously as a news organization and a larger one through nbc universal. had this verdict gone the other way, you know, we had an inkling of what was going to happen, so the cameras are out to cover it. instead tonight we're covering this peaceful demonstration in celebration of legal justice being served our own frank holland is out at the peaceful protest that you've been seeing over the last 10, 15 minutes, and up amongst them how's it going there, frank? >> reporter: shep, yeah, we're right here by this protest that has left the court house and circled around the city and now returned to the courthouse with all respect to bill bratton, i think the people here for the most part disagree with him. they have been chanting
throughout the day no good cops in a racist system while bill bratton believes the system doesn't need to be dismantled, many of these people say it does need to be dismantled many of them said in their mind that police departments around the nation do not respect the lives or just the legal rights of black people. many people here saying there's more work to be done related to daunte wright, a black man who was killed in brooklyn center, minnesota, not too far from here, by a white police officer who said she mistook her taser for -- mistook her gun for her taser. other people still remembering the death of philando castile, a gentleman here in the minnesota area killed by police officer. so a lot of people, again, feeling a sense of relief that there was a guilty verdict in this case but saying there's much more work to be done. right now you're seeing, i believe, an image of a gentleman waving a black lives matter flag who's a white gentleman. this has been a multi-cultural
event. people from all different ethnicities and races gathered together to wait in anticipation of this verdict and again to celebrate. not the verdict itself, but the sense that they feel that finally the justice system is recognizing their concerns and their words. many people feeling, again, much more work to be done and still of course we have to get to the sentencing of derek chauvin. some people expressing some concern about that you heard david henderson say that he felt some concern with regard to the judge's motivation and mindset in this case tonight right now these people just saying they're relieved there was a guilty verdict on all three counts they're relieved that their city is not engulfed in social unrest and it's not being policed and seeing police officers everywhere right now as you mentioned, a peaceful protest in the wake of the derek chauvin trial. back over to you. >> i always wonder because we're
also insulated as a society. we live in groups of people like ourselves in many days i think back to rodney king and seeing the video of what happened there i think about the graphic testimony regarding so many along the way. and now people of all colors and socioeconomic groups have seen the reality of what does happen in america when black people meet police. and i wonder if we're not all going to be better for the knowledge, and if these scenes aren't something that says we're all on board with this as a real problem. and we've gotten just to there, that every kind of person in america, no matter the color, where you live or how much you make, what your accent is life, big city, small town, you now have seen it for yourself and realize it's a true thing.
if that in and of itself couldn't be enormously helpful to all of us. >> reporter: you know, shep, i think only time will tell. if everyone comes to that conclusion and realization i think today is just a moment where many people believe that justice was served and at least there's an acknowledgement that there may be an issue with policing in this nation. i'm sure some people fall on one side and others on the other side of it but discussion has been opened up by this case and i think that's progress. i don't want to speak for any of the people here, but the fact that we're talking about this issue more in depth and it's something that police officer, as you mentioned, i don't think -- i've covered quite a few trials myself. i don't think i've ever seen a police chief basically testify against an officer i think that was almost unprecedented. the fact that police officers are talking about reform and changing the way that they're policing, especially communities of color, that is certainly progress
whether we actually take a giant step forward as many people hope and believe that we will, that remains to be seen. >> you also didn't hear groups, the kinds of groups who often stand on the other side of a black/white issue in this way, you didn't hear them saying leave that officer away. that unbalanced other side was fairly quiet this time around, and i found that through the course of the last 14 days and over the last year to be a difference. >> reporter: you know, shep, you're absolutely right. very different situations, but if we can compare this perhaps to the presidential election i was in philadelphia for the presidential election. philadelphia a democratic city but there was a large contingent of republicans and trump voters there standing on the other side of people who were pro joe biden and they held signs. here you didn't see anything like that. here there were not blue lives matter protesters here there were not people standing on the side of derek chauvin
here that i saw. if they were here, they were not visible, they were not vocal that's not something that we've generally seen nationwide, not even from police groups. so i agree with you on that. there doesn't seem to be a vocal and loud opposition to the sense that there needs to be some reform in policing when it comes to communities of color. >> i didn't hear the -- i hear some victim blaming in court of course when you don't have the facts, you do what you do. but i didn't hear that in this case there was a little bit in the courtroom, but there was none outside of it. that loud other side that often says, but look at him, he's this and he's that, the victim blaming. in this case that was fairly quiet. thanks very much, frank holland there and our legal minds have been with us and all the guests throughout the past three hours. it's been 330 days that's how long since george floyd was killed outside the cup foods in minneapolis 14 days, that's how many of testimony there was in this trial. 10 1/2 hours, how long it took
the jury to reach a verdict. and now on a tuesday night in america, we have peaceful demonstrations, horns honking, celebrating a triumph of justice. people saw this themselves and like the jury heard from the prosecutors who said sometimes it's just what you think it is sometimes you can trust your eyes and your ears and in this case they did. much work ahead, as we try to come together as a nation, but no major problems to report here tonight. i'm shepard smith at cnbc global headquarters, in inglewood cliffs, new jersey thanks for being with us today "squawk box" first thing in the morning and i'll see you tomorrow night like added sugars and preservatives, and what's left is the good stuff. the real fruit and vegetable juices of naked. strip down to naked.
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