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>> from the heart of where innovation, money, and power collide, in silicon valley and beyond, this is "bloomberg technology" with emily chang. ♪ emily: i'm emily chang in san francisco and this is "bloomberg technology." coming up in the next hour, taking response ability. house committee invest getting the january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol has subpoenaed big tech social media giants, demanding
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more information from alphabet, meta, twitter, and reddit. we will tell you what they want to know good we are checking in at the white house to combat cybersecurity attacks. and tiktok megastars are making money and a lot of it. how social media people can make as much as the ceo of starbucks. first, ed ludlow here. text talks having a rough afternoon. what happened? ed: rough afternoon indy because we started off the same -- rough afternoon indeed because we started off the same. higher rates impacting higher evaluation tech stocks. falling to 15% to its lowest level since october. semi conductors gave way later in the session. you also saw selling in adr from the golden dragon index. crypto followed suit.
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some specific movers on thursday. tesla is one to watch at the moment. it has a mixed start to 2022. heavy selling on thursday took it to negative territory, but i want to show you one bright spot if you give me a moment. ford up on thursday but getting a little bit of a milestone. you see a gain of 2.25%. coming to the bloomberg terminal. ford hit briefly and market cap of almost $100 billion during the session on thursday. i am in los angeles with idris elba, they unveiled the marquis. how things have changed for the company since then. the eb story around ford picking up pace. trusting one want forget back to you in the studio. bitcoin, which has been steady in range the last few days. you see on the far right hand of the screen, also selling upper
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good below $44,000, now back to $42,000. emily: all right. thanks much. pointing the finger at social media, the house committee investigating the january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol has subpoenaed facebook parent meta, twitter, youtube parent alphabet, and reddit, demanding these companies turn over posts, videos, and any other information tied to the planning of the insurrection. naomi hicks joining us now. how significant is this development? naomi: it is a significant solution in the scrutiny facing these companies. you can remember just a few months ago, we saw for the revelations particularly about facebook's role in facilitating the organization of these riots. documents were surfaced by the whistleblower, francis hawkins. now, congress is saying, ok, hand over what you got.
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we want to see how this played out. emily: i was intrigued they called them out directly and blamed them for specific things. for example, the live broadcasting of the insurrection on youtube, calling out the donald subreddit where the house is cleaning that is where much of this attack was planned. how much legitimacy of these do these claims from the committee have? naomi: there is some legitimacy that they played a role. in the case of facebook, we saw facebook would take down a stop the steal group and another one would pop up in his place, and they were some of the fastest growing groups on the website. it could not keep up with all of that content. there has been other
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evidence on other social media platforms as well. the question is, when did these executives know there was a problem, and what did they do about it? of course, there were alternative social media platforms in which the activity was going on in as well. but the mainstream sites played a role. emily: obviously, they have the evidence of what was happening on these public forums. do we have a response yet from facebook, google, youtube, twitter, reddit? naomi: we don't have a response yet, but we would expect them to say something like they plan to work with the committee. the question always in these instances is how quickly they will be able to turn over the documents and whether there will be some questions about what qualifies and what doesn't under the subpoenas. emily: naomi, thank you. meantime, elsewhere in washington, thickness from apple, alphabet, meta, and other tech companies met with white
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house officials to talk about cybersecurity. in particular, an incident from last month that sent shockwaves through the national security community. jack with us now for more. talk to us about why the white house held this meeting, and what do we know? >> if you remember a few weeks ago, there was this weird case of software nobody had heard of in the mainstream. essentially it affected millions of systems around the world. that really drew attention to the nature of the open source software. software that is available for free for the public to use, modify you see them on repositories like get help where coders can add their changes freely. what the white house and the government is concerned about is the fact that this code may not be as secure as people think. the idea where everyone in the world can add on and collaborate
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and fix these things, it may not be as secure as you think it is. emily: talk to us more about why open-source software is being seen by the white house as a significant national security threat. jack: i think it is partly because open-source software really powers a lot of devices that make up the modern internet. you look at a google android phone that runs the operating system, you see all sorts of software that run on tv's, smart devices. also it's of products that use open-source software and might be using some code that can be insecure. this instance really got a lot of people by surprise and took them by surprise. everybody contributes and we will produce the best possible outcome, but it might not have been the case, and it was not in this matter and it caused the developers, a small group of volunteers worked on the
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software, it got them to scramble. it has the white house from a national securities to import saying -- security standpoint saying this could be the next sitting duck. how can we use or develop the software and not putting up a piece of code that lets hackers take control of networks or computers? emily: president biden has been saying cybersecurity is a top priority for his mistress and going back to the colonial pipeline. what concrete steps has the administration taken so far? jack: there has been a few, and the biggest one is the elevation of security in this administration. the deputy national security advisor has this expensive cybersecurity portfolio, and the cybersecurity director, the infrastructure security agency, homeland security, all who are
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trying to build up their departments, bring on people, and not to secure federal networks but also provide guidance to the private sector. we have a midterm election coming up very soon, not to mention a presidential election in 2024. these people at dhs our response will for that as well. it is appointed for government to provide guidance. it has been an increased effort on the government to look at their own systems. the u.s. government is a massive strolling entity that has millions of computers of its own. putting the focus on this topic alone, especially a bipartisan effort on capitol hill, really applauded this in ministration, saying they are glad they are taking this effort seriously. emily: all right. jack, who covers cybersecurity for us, thinking for that update. coming up, we will have much more on the white house cybersecurity meeting. a google executive was in the room. that is next. this is bloomberg. ♪
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>> in terms of the session today, i am not going to speak on behalf of the companies in terms of the commitments they made, but it was an incredible constructive discussion about the ways the public sector and private sector can work effectively together to ensure that public sector systems are more robust and resilient and private sector systems are more robust and resilient. emily: national security advisor jake sullivan talking about the
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meeting he helped convene with some of the top tech companies about security with open-source software. while he did not have much to say about the meeting, our next guest does. he attended the white house meeting. what is your big takeaway? how did it go? >> i think it went really well. very pleasing to see the government reaching out and seeking to collaborate with all of the large tech companies and the foundations of many other organizations. there has been a lot of work done on this. for example, the open-source security foundation opened last year. we and many other companies committedto that. other companies did likewise. a lot going on, but it is pleasing to watch the government reach out to partner with the private sector to drive this important topic forward and making sure we are appropriately
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defending the infrastructure that relies on open-source software. emily: with so many agencies and department involved, you got the national security council, commerce. is it confusing as a private company like google? do you know where to turn if there are issues? phil: we have very close partnerships. from the altai, it can often seem confusing, but for those of us that work in the industry, we see each group in the government has its own particular partners and they are increasingly cooperating very well and working with us. we have great partnerships with the national security council, the white house cybersecurity director, dhs, many others. we recognize each has its purpose and they are quite well coordinated permit in the private sector, we coordinate with ourselves. we think it works quite well. i would not say everything is perfect, but things are continuing to get better. that partnership is key. emily: the concern is millions
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of devices could be addressed right now. if these kinds of collaborations don't happen, what is the threat? phil: well, all of our digitized society is highly dependent on software. a large part of that is open-source software. the good news is a lot of the software is already quite well-maintained. a lot of highly curated projects managed by the large tech companies in partnership with the maintainers. but there is a long tail of the issues. as we have seen recently, so we need to keep improving and doing the commitments we have made, the commitments we are partnering with government on. we will keep working on issues to help make sure we are managing the risks. i don't think any of us are taking any less vigilance on this. it will be a big area of focus for the entire tech industry. all of the consumers of open-source software, it is key for us to keep partnering with
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the government and having that strong public-private partnership to drive the agenda forward to defend all of our critical infrastructure. emily: i got to ask you because the house committee just a peanut alphabet and other companies for more information tied to the general receipt attack and this is a security issue, potentially even a cybersecurity issue. do you think youtube played a role in this attack? phil: i am sure there are plenty of people at google that will work as they typically are on talking about those issues. but for me today, my entire focus has been on the open-source security issue and partnering with government to protect our could go infrastructure. that has been all of my focus and a big part of my focus going forward. emily: given we are going into another election come up what kind of assurance can you give us, can you give google's users that google is taking all the precautions with their accounts and their information given that
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the attackers, the cyberattackers are always one step ahead it seems? phil: we have very large numbers of highly capable teams that work across all of the cyber threats that face all of our products and services. we are very focused on protecting our users, consumers, enterprise customers, and partnering with their security teams and partnering with all of the government agencies. very key focus for us at something we are always vigilant about. we pay a lot attention to this and empower organizations to make sure we stay focused on protecting our users and customers. emily: all right. phil, google cloud's information security officer, thank you for joining is permitted coming up about tiktok stars make more than top ceos. we will talk about the creator economy and how tiktok personalities are building their own empires and whether the
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phenomenon is going to last. that is next. this is bloomberg. ♪
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emily: tiktok is quite a lucrative business with some tiktok stars making more than america's top chief executive's. sometimes by quite a margin. my next guest is the ceo and founder of the influencer marketing agency obviously. this might be obvious to many people, but so many people still don't understand how much money these tiktokers are making. explain the value here. >> sure. some of your largest tiktokers,
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they have hundreds of millions of followers. when they work with a brand, that brand is asking for a few hundred million people, and that is huge. emily: now, you look at the numbers, and tim cook for example making $99 million a year. that is what apple has disclosed. kylie jenner, $590 million a year. yes. tim cook gets one off stock options throughout the year. but walk me through this. is it something you could have even fathomed a few years ago? mae: oh, differently. there is so much room for growth for the really large tiktokers and social media influencers. if you have millions of followers, they are going to care when you partner with a big brand. they are going to care when you
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launch your own brand or star in a netflix show like addison ray just did. these people have a really hard-core fan base and are so excited to follow them wherever they go. so now these trader are thinkings like business owners in creating multiple business streams and making money. emily: a lot of people say, do these tiktokers actually do any work? how do you respond to that? mae: yeah, they are doing a lot at work. they are entertaining people and creating content 24 hours a day. they are really servicing their biggest fans. they have these huge audiences who care about if they go to dunkin' donuts and what their favorite dunkin' donuts drink is. that is important and adds a lot about you. i could be as much value as doing a really good job as a ceo. emily: pugsley, tiktok is getting a lot of attention now, but the more mainstream platforms, youtube, instagram,
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facebook also investing happily here. what is next? mae: tiktok is now the most visited site on the internet. it outdid google in 2021. it is very mainstream and doing extremely well. people love short form video content that they could just watch and scroll and share with their friends and be entertained and learn more. i think there is so much more growth here. every major platform is talking about, how can i do a short from video? how can i do it better? and how can i recruit these creators to be creating and loving my platform? emily: how did these creators expand and branch out into other verticals, whether it is media, beauty, fashion, and make more money in other ways? mae: yes. these tiktokers are really building business empires for themselves. they are building a business teams. managers and agents. they get to decide, what do i want to do now? do i want to become a beauty founder? do i want to create my own
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fashion line? do i want to become an actor, a musician? they can do any of those things because they have such a large audience that is tuned into what they will do next. emily:emily: where do you see that business headed in the metaverse? is the future augmented and virtual reality? i assume it is opening new possibilities. mae: believe it or not, we just watched charlie's tiktok, but you can also sit next to her and hang out with her in the metaverse, which could be interesting. i think it is really going to open up what kind of content these creators can make. is it authentic reality filters, nft's? there are so many different things here that could happen. these creators are going to be right there ready to create their own stamp on the metaverse. emily:emily: walk me through a day in the life. we have about 60 seconds left. charlie wakes up. what happens first? what is the day like? how much time do they spend on
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these short-term videos and other things? mae: if you are a really big tiktokers and you are making millions of dollars, you definitely have a whole business team behind you. you have a schedule. you have a hair and makeup team many to go. you have a number of assistants and people supporting you. so you are really focused on creating amazing content. you have a team that is helping you storyboard or if you are more off-the-cuff, you do one off jokes, you can do that as well. but you really wake up, start filming, figuring out which platform to be posted to, what the cadence is for that day, and looking at other revenue streams. are they watching a new lipstick, a new concealer? are they doing a major partnership with a large brand? are they flying fashion week two sit front row at a fashion show? there are countless things they could be doing. hey, what do i care about? what will my audience be interested in?
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and they will follow along. emily: as someone who tried to do some decent tiktoks, it does take time and work. mae: it is hard. emily: it is. it is not as easy as it looks. mae, appreciate you joining us and sharing the obvious learnings you already know that the rest of us don't, founder and ceo of obviously. meantime, london led all other european cities in tech financing last year. there was a record $25.5 billion in investment in the british capital. this according to a report from the city's promotional company, london and partners, london ranking fourth for venture capital behind this and from cisco bay area, new york, and boston. coming up, the future of the cloud. we will take a look at what trends to watch in 2022 with cockroach labs. no, it is not what you think it is. it is a database start up that wants to take on aws and oracle.
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this is bloomberg. ♪
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emily: welcome back. while much of corporate america has their heads in the clouds, the cloud related stocks have had a rough start to the year. ed ludlow is here with the latest. ed: case in point of what we're seeing in financial markets. thursday, stocks fell away in the afternoon. outside selling not just in cloud stocks, but software and i.t. -- ip as a whole.
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there also stalwarts like microsoft and google. the next chart shows the performance of the subsector. so far against the nasdaq 100. remember higher rates, discounting future value or future proper -- profitability. the white line is unperformed. it has fallen 10% so far this year. double the declines we have seen on the nasdaq 100. it's nothing to do with concerns about the sector. cloud could see annual growth of 20% for the next five years. compare that with i.t. spending which they see growing 4% to 5%. this story is about companies with high multiples, stretched valuation, higher rates, and investors pulling out of that section of the market. emily: thank you.
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what are the club trends to watch in 2022? -- cloud trends to watch in 2022? our next guest is spencer kimball, the ceo of cockroach labs. thank you for joining us. i have to start off with why is a cloud company calling itself cockroach labs? spencer: that was a question i was expecting. as a preface, when we named the project cockroachdb, i wasn't intending to explain that on bloomberg technology. these days, i find myself in front of fortune 500 executives all the time explaining it. it is supposed to be evocative of the databases capabilities. this is a very resilient database. you want your business to keep running. that's what a cockroach is designed to do.
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as everyone knows, cockroaches are resilient. this with a name comes from. emily: you want to be the cockroach for a big businesses. you're trying to take on giants like amazon and oracle with very deep pockets and very entrenched customers. how do you do that? spencer: we have incredible advantages. for one, we are building it from the ground up from scratch. we're building a database that is going to effectively exploit the cloud. the more traditional players that have most of the market today, they have a really big problem with an innovator's dilemma. it's very hard for them to reinvent themselves to make use of what the cloud is providing. we have a fresh start and we can build a database that will meetd
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it's important to keep in mind -- that's an incredible opportunity for companies that can bring infrastructure to market. emily: you just raised a massive amount of funding. where do you see the cloud market going this year and how do you plan to use the money to stay ahead of it? spencer: i think the cloud market is absolutely going to continue when you zoom out. if you zoom out and you look at the three year time horizon, cloud is only going to go up. we raised this money because it was a favorable time to do so. when you look at the next three
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years, we will absolutely be able to use it. it's about innovation. that's why we have the company we have and the customers we have. we need to continue that, to continue pushing the envelope. there's an opportunity to expand into new markets and to support our customers. we always look at our customers problems as our own problem. emily: what is the cloud going to look like in web three and is that really a thing? spencer: it's a catchall concept. it's really about how quickly you can bring something to market. how many consumers or other businesses depending on what
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your company does, how many of those can you reach how quickly. this is really an opportunity for every structure that is delivered in the cloud as a service to propel companies more quickly to accelerate their ability. it's companies like cockroach and also like amazon, google, microsoft that are building these hyper-scale clouds. it's a combination of the services and the clouds that are making it so that what used to take months or years cannot be done in weeks or even in some cases days. it's an exciting time. >> with the a lot of engineers ending up in the ceo suite. you are a developer junior yourself. tell us quickly a little bit more about your journey from developer engineer to founder and ceo. spencer: i will give you a
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little bit of the genesis. i went back to berkeley -- i went to berkeley back in the 90's. i wasn't interested in databases. when i graduated immediately databases became a big problem. scale was a big issue. then i went to google and they had their own problems with databases. over the 10 years that i was there with my two cofounders, we saw builder -- google build their own databases from scratch. we left and started our own private photo sharing company, it was a big problem. we saw that what google had wasn't available in the larger open source ecosystem. that compelled us to say we have this big problem, we know how it should be solved, we know over the world is going because we saw it all happen in google and in 10 years, that's her buddy else is going to be doing. let's build a database and support that. that's a great example of a good way to start a company which is
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you are a potential customer of the product you are building. there is no daylight between the problems i was facing as a developer and the problems cockroach is now solving for developers. that is a virtuous start and that's why many engineers, former developers are climbing the way into the c-suite. emily: cockroaches certainly get your attention and you got ours. thank you for joining us. coming up, property prices soar on earth at -- as younger investors turn to the metaverse. we will talk about south korea's metaverse property boom. that's next. this is bloomberg. ♪
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emily: twitters early shift to a work from anywhere model as well as requiring to add more people of color help them to post significant gains last year in hiring black and latinx workers. our guest is here to explain a bit of good news. how did they do it? >> if you think about it, it makes sense. we had an interview with them yesterday and they said when everything is virtual, it doesn't mean there is no place in the world that's off limits for recruiting. the fact that they were able to do more virtual recruiting events, in areas that are predominately black or latinx, people who were hired and have to move.
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you didn't have to come to san francisco or new york to accept a job. you saw increases in job acceptance among those groups as well. the fact that things are moving remotely, it opens up a lot more opportunity for people who don't necessarily want to live in certain cities and companies can go out and recruit more aggressively. emily: are we going to see similar improvements at other companies? >> you would think so because meta-is working remotely. mark zuckerberg said he foresees as much as 50% of his workforce to be remote in the next five to 10 years. this trend is going to impact a lot of industries as well as twitter. twitter is smaller, so you are able to see jumps faster because of that. the same time, i think other tech companies will benefit in the same way. emily: we will be watching, thank you. frustrated by soaring house
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prices and a falling faith in the traditional economy, south korea's youth are turning to the metaverse to invest in virtual real estate. one new platform claims to re-create earth digitally. >> i'm buying and selling virtual space, owning land i can't have in real life makes me feel great. >> we've all heard about the metaverse, a virtual universe that blends aspects of virtual technology with digital reality. >> jumped into the metaverse. >> now, it has become a hot property market with investors putting in millions of dollars. south korea is one of the biggest players in the metaverse market.
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it is being championed by young people who have had enough of the economic inequality. they're looking to make money in the ultimate universe instead. these are two users i spoke to who have been investing in platforms called metaverse to the claims to re-create earth digitally. >> which part of the world do you own on the metaverse platform? >> i have learned in both -- land in new york and south korea. i have a lot of land in new york. i have a street vendor selling hotdogs on wall street here. when the metaverse gets more developed, i plan to open a hot dog store. i also bought an island for some private leisure. it's like a park. just on the right side of manhattan. rather than buying for manhattan -- for investment, i'm buying things i want to have. areas that tell a story. >> there are people buying empty
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water. >> with future updates, we will be able to mine resources in the sea and mountains. with that resource, you can later construct a building. so many users are buying parcels of ocean, river, and mountain. >> the part where i feel the biggest gap between the metaverse and the real world is the financial area. >> you can just sit tight and earn interest income of $3000 to $5,000 every month but that is the salary i earn by working so hard in my day job. >> in the south korean capital where have of the country's population lives, the average price of an apartment has doubled in the past five years reaching over $950,000 by july 2021. the president's real estate policies have seen the average price of an apartment rise by
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90% since he took office. >> my parents generation is worried saying why do young people try to make any so easily? isn't this gambling? i think the reason why millennials and gen z are drawn to the metaverse is it's difficult to find a job right now and house prices are high. you can never buy a house with your salary. >> south koreans are the most active users with around $9.1 million spending on a metaverse platform. >> if you look at the infrastructure engine, it's true that many companies, north american companies are far ahead in the metaverse industry. from the consumer's point of view, it is true that south korea has a higher number of interested users compared to its population. >> there are more users in south korea because koreans are so accustomed to high-speed internet.
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they are so used to this kind of media. the real estate was $.10 per tile. all the land in seoul, korea or new york. >> the statue of liberty in new york is going for over $7,000 per tile. it's not just property. south korea's biggest companies have also jumped into the metaverse. samsung unveiled the first metaverse themed etf. sk group is planning on issuing a coin for its metaverse platform. the government is also backing the metaverse as part of its digital new deal, it pledged to provide $26 million this year. >> predict it will be developed through this. jobs will be created in games will support and businesses will
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develop innovatively. >> professor has some concerns. >> the virtual real estate market does not have a real value. the market has not been able to prove its present value. i consider this part to be risky. people over 50 are uncomfortable with this. this could be a means of creating another digital divide in the end. >> the reason young people are jumping into the metaverse is because they want to make profit. in the past, there was only the stock or gold. now, the metaverse is in the spotlight as a new form of investment. this is the new reality, not an illusion. >> technologists say the metaverse will be more integrated into our lives and grow into a fully immersive economy. >> in the future, all economic
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and digital activities will occur simultaneously in the metaverse and real life. >> the power is collapsing in a time where time and space can be controlled. many tables will be turned in all industries. >> coming up, big shoes to fill for netflix as the streaming service looks to find the next squid game. this is bloomberg. ♪
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emily: it took squid game for weeks to become the most watched netflix show ever in any language. when it comes to global ambitions, what happened
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afterwards matters even more. viewers started watching more shows in korean. our guest joins us to talk about his latest bloomberg big take. i was one of those viewers, it unlocks so much more content. tell us about the power of this phenomenon. >> netflix recognized the potential in korea around the time it first went there in any 16. -- in 2016. it struggled in the first few years, didn't have a lot of customers or programming people wanted to watch. starting in 2019 thanks to deals and development and production of original shows, it has produced a number of popular shows in korea. so much so that if you look at the data, south korea contributes the second largest number of popular shows for netflix behind the u.s..
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that has been a key not just to adding customers in south korea, but all across asia and we were. -- everywhere. emily: asia is so vast. where else will netflix go to find more stories like this? >> its three biggest markets in asia are australia, which almost doesn't count because it is english-speaking. then, japan and south korea which are its two strongest markets right now. also places supplying the most number of popular shows not just in asia, but everywhere. south korea comes up with a lot of scripted programming and japan because of m&a. -- anime. india is a place where it has had far less success. i think you will also see them try to find openings in parts of
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southeast asia. there executives talk to us about shows in thailand and mandarin. emily: netflix doesn't have a lock on the strategy. how can the competitors keep up? how much of an advantage does netflix have given all of the data they have? >> right now, netflix has a pretty big advantage not just because the data about what people want to watch, but also because it is so much eager and a lot of these markets. it has a big head start in asia. that's not true every -- everywhere. amazon is bigger in japan and india and it's about to make a big put -- push in india. i think by large, netflix is seen as the market leader in most of these countries and it
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has invested a lot more resources. they are all trying to catch up, but netflix tends to be of the opinion that as long as it continues to make shows the people want to watch, it will continue to grow. ask what is on your watchlist? >> most of the things on my watchlist are not netflix shows. i want to go back and rewatch the first two seasons of the formula one show. i watched the third season and everyone told me i jumped in midway. if you want to go with the korean show, i have heard really good things about it's ok to not be ok. there's no shortage of good korean shows on netflix. emily: we are always looking for good recommendations. thank you for that update. that does it for this edition of "bloomberg technology." tomorrow we have cryptocurrency.
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we will be talking about spacs and one guest talking about trying to turn buildings into tesla's. you don't want to miss it. this is bloomberg. ♪
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