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people in england will now once again have to wear face masks on public transport and in shops. all contacts of suspected omicron cases must self—isolate for 10 days — regardless of their vaccination status. mrjohnson also announced that people entering the country would have to take a pcr test and self—isolate until they get a negative result. the government also said it's considering, how it can expand the coronavirus booster campaign. three people have died as storm arwen hits the uk, with winds, of up to 100 miles an hour. also today — the former england cricket captain, michael vaughan, tells the bbc he's �*sorry for all the hurt�* azeem rafiq went through during the yorkshire racism scandal now on bbc news, it's time for political thinking
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with nick robinson. close your eyes for a second, try picturing the steps of 10 downing street. the prime minister. no, not borisjohnson. keough starmer. if you can do that, if enough people can imagine the labour leader there on those steps he will have passed what the pollsters and the psychologists call the blank test. at my guest and political thinking this week is not one problem, but two. he's got to convince people he is ready to be prime minister but perhaps even more difficult, that his party is capable of winning an election, ensuring that he actually gets the job. election, ensuring that he actually
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gets thejob. 0n election, ensuring that he actually gets the job. on this, the first on a new three series of political thinking, conversations, not interrogations with people shape our political thinking about what shapes there is. i am delighted to be by there is. i am delighted to be by the leader of the opposition. second time on. i have _ the leader of the opposition. second time on. i have encountered, - the leader of the opposition. second time on. i have encountered, i - the leader of the opposition. second time on. i have encountered, i don'ti time on. i have encountered, i don't know if you — time on. i have encountered, i don't know if you have. _ time on. i have encountered, i don't know if you have. 600 _ time on. i have encountered, i don't know if you have. 600 days - time on. i have encountered, i don't know if you have. 600 days it - time on. i have encountered, i don't know if you have. 600 days it is - know if you have. 600 days it is today since she became labour leader. is today since she became labour leader. , , ~:: :: ., leader. is this 600 days? i have been counting _ leader. is this 600 days? i have been counting the _ leader. is this 600 days? i have been counting the days - leader. is this 600 days? i have been counting the days but - leader. is this 600 days? i have been counting the days but i'ml leader. is this 600 days? i have i been counting the days but i'm not sure i got to number 600. that is a lot of days. sure i got to number 600. that is a lot of deve— sure i got to number 600. that is a lot of days. don't want to alarm you but that is more _ lot of days. don't want to alarm you but that is more than _ lot of days. don't want to alarm you but that is more than halfway - lot of days. don't want to alarm you but that is more than halfway to - lot of days. don't want to alarm you i but that is more than halfway to the date of what might well be the next election in 2023. there are only 525 days until then. do you think you are even to convincing the country that you could be on the steps of downing street? we that you could be on the steps of downing street?— that you could be on the steps of downing street? we have done a lot of work in the _ downing street? we have done a lot of work in the last _ downing street? we have done a lot of work in the last 18 _ downing street? we have done a lot of work in the last 18 months, - downing street? we have done a lot of work in the last 18 months, 600 l of work in the last 18 months, 600 days that you mention. because it was pretty obvious after what happened in 2019 with a general election result, that we needed to
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change our party and also change our focus in terms of the country and we have done a lot of work to change the party. we have tackled anti—semitism and i think, really do think now people do not say the labour party is anti—semitic. they might say i should have done more than this differently but i don't think anybody would say, you haven't actually got to grips with that. i will come to that of the impact it has had on yourfamily because it has had on yourfamily because it has been a dramatic buy that up that mess you about the job that you have asked on political thinking, you told me it took quite a long time to get used to the transition from the courtroom to parliament. you are a guy who was brought up in the logical, ordered object of work. what is it like getting used to being a leader? i what is it like getting used to being a leader?— being a leader? i have done leadership _ being a leader? i have done leadership roles _ being a leader? i have done leadership roles all - being a leader? i have done leadership roles all my - being a leader? i have done leadership roles all my life | being a leader? i have done i leadership roles all my life but context is everything so, you know, when i was a lawyer i lead a small team of four orfive people put together for the purpose of the case, all with a shared purpose which was to get the case over and done with and then the team disintegrated. then of course i became the director of public
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prosecutions, read across england and wales of five 6000 staff and i had to learn how you sort of pull a lever and get again, labour leader is a different context. hundreds of thousands of members, 200 or so mps are not many weavers. that is the big difference between the leadership i had as director of public prosecutions. i could make things happen because at the power to do so. the difficulty of reading any leader of the opposition, that you don't have the power to make the change that you want to see so you've got to do it by other means. part of that has been trying to convince people, friends, it seems to me as well as foes, that you are not too much the lawyer still. that you can notjust have the forensic arguments, the reason, the rationally organised, you have got the passion, they are still saying are a day, to you? come on show is
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the passion, show us what you really believe. �* , ., ., the passion, show us what you really believe. �* i. ., _, , ., believe. anyone who comes into olitics believe. anyone who comes into politics later _ believe. anyone who comes into politics later in _ believe. anyone who comes into politics later in life _ believe. anyone who comes into politics later in life as _ believe. anyone who comes into politics later in life as i - believe. anyone who comes into politics later in life as i have - politics later in life as i have brings with them the experience they have got outside also has to adapt so, you know, i grew up all my working life dealing with evidence and facts and rational decisions. and then you go into politics and is completely different and you have to adapt to that. politics is littered with people who shout very loudly about a problem and walk around time and time again shouting passionately in pointing and saying there is the problem. there is a problem. there is a problem. and people say, well, they are really passionate. if there is a different kind of passion which is a different kind of passion which is the sort of gritty determination to say, well, that is a problem. i understand that. what is the answer to it? and passion is that sort of determination to do something about it. stop walking around the problem i do something about it. we occasionally _ i do something about it. we occasionally see these flashes of anger and prime minister's questions as you become, it seems to me, more used to the way that works and of
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course finally got people behind you and in front of you which for a long time you didn't have. you might take that point, nick, becausejust a show, meet the challenge that people put me because i remember in the early days of prime minister's questions when it was the middle of covid. very on this nobody in the chamber. and people said, oh, well, he may be all right in this arena but is for the prime minister will always win and he won't be able to adapt. i always win and he won't be able to ada t. ., �* ~' always win and he won't be able to adat. ., �* ~ , .,, ., adapt. i don't think people are sa in: adapt. i don't think people are saying that — adapt. i don't think people are saying that any _ adapt. i don't think people are saying that any more. - adapt. i don't think people are saying that any more. they . adapt. i don't think people are l saying that any more. they may adapt. i don't think people are - saying that any more. they may have their view on whether what i'm doing is good, bad or indifferent but nobody now says well, he cannot handle the full chamber. and therefore some of that criticism is, i think, therefore some of that criticism is, ithink, ithink, i have therefore some of that criticism is, i think, i think, i have i therefore some of that criticism is, ithink, ithink, i have i have therefore some of that criticism is, i think, i think, i have i have met. 0ne i think, i think, i have i have met. one of the moments i remember, what seemed to me like a flash of anger was when you mentioned your sister. did you mean to talk about her. ida. did you mean to talk about her. no, i didn't. i did you mean to talk about her. no, i didn't- i was _ did you mean to talk about her. iifr, i didn't. i was angry with the prime minister because we were discussing social care and in particular the
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pay and security of those who work in social care. and he frustrated me because he just didn't get it. what it is actually like to work as an insecure care work and my sister is an insecure care worker and i was angry because of shaking his head dismissively and i do know first—hand what it feels like. i did not to mention my sister because i've got two sisters and brother and they are very private, and they don't like any media intrusion and i therefore don't mention them very often at all. i'm quite careful and try to be protective of them. what try to be protective of them. what is it about her _ try to be protective of them. what is it about her experience, - try to be protective of them. what is it about her experience, though, that you think produces a wider truth? ~ , , ., truth? well, it is understanding. she works _ truth? well, it is understanding. she works in _ truth? well, it is understanding. she works in a _ truth? well, it is understanding. she works in a care _ truth? well, it is understanding. she works in a care home - truth? well, it is understanding. she works in a care home is - truth? well, it is understanding. she works in a care home is and | truth? well, it is understanding. i she works in a care home is and is in very low papal touch or whatever night shifts of 12 hours at a time. it is tough, hard work for which she gets very little reward and the bit i suppose needle to be angled me in the last 18 months is else, she has
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had to self—isolate if she is ill or because family members are ill and because family members are ill and because she has not got any sick pay provision in her contract of employment she's had to use all her holiday in orderjust to get to isolation or periods of illness she has got no holiday left and i was really dot—mac this is what it is like to be on an insecure contract, prime minister. you end up with no holiday because you had to take in order to get through self isolation order to get through self isolation orjust ordinary illness. this order to get through self isolation orjust ordinary illness.— orjust ordinary illness. as you sa , orjust ordinary illness. as you say. you _ orjust ordinary illness. as you say, you hesitated _ orjust ordinary illness. as you say, you hesitated to - orjust ordinary illness. as you say, you hesitated to talk - orjust ordinary illness. as you | say, you hesitated to talk about your sister. say, you hesitated to talk about yoursister. i say, you hesitated to talk about your sister. i think the first time your sister. i think the first time you ever really spoke about your family was here on critical thinking three years ago. you must i think it was, yes. there are some people who are cynical when politicians talk about family who to humanise themselves. i think, about family who to humanise themselves. ithink, i get about family who to humanise themselves. i think, i get the sense they were at the heart of your labour party conference speech. they are critical to how you see the
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world. how you see yourjob. the story for example of your mother he was sick for so very, very long. i think it was on your podcast four years ago when i first mentioned them. that reflects my reluctance to do so because again, they are private individuals and they are sadly passed away now. but they did have a profound impact on me and they kind of explain the person i am and in politics, you do have to show the person you are. my mum had still disease, a very rare illness, when she was young. and she was very, very ill many, many times and that had a huge impact on me not to see someone who was very ill, although, in the end, she was so ill she couldn't move and eat unassisted or talk and could not talk to my children. butjust seen the sort of person she was. determined and courage. she was told time and time again, you're not going to be able
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to walk again. you're not going to be all right. she just i'm to walk again. you're not going to be all right. shejust i'm going to walk again. i'm going to get out. and it drove her but also cabbage. i remember, and this sums up my mum and is a lesson i carry with me for life. towards the end her life she had to have a leg amputated, everything it got so bad with him and i remember going to see her in hospital the day before the operation and it was classic my mum because a lot of people said, oh, you know, this could happen. i'm scared, it's awful. shejust you know, this could happen. i'm scared, it's awful. she just said to me, i hope they don't cat the wrong blooming lego. i carry that with me because sometimes you gotta do difficult things as leader the labour party or you put in difficult situations and i think if my mum can go into that operation that for a man out to be able to get up and do whatever it is i've got to do. you also find yourself _ whatever it is i've got to do. you also find yourself thinking about what she might have said? because savage never saw you in this job. what she might have said? because savage never saw you in thisjob. i think she was a for doing and getting on with it. and again, i
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hope you have inherited that from her which is, you know, get on and do it. she was also just a passionate defender of the nhs. you can see a word against the nhs to my mum in any way, shape orfrom. it absolutely ran through her and again and abiding memory i have of being in an intensive care unit and it was very touch and go and she just held my hand and said, you won't let your dad go private, will you? she feel that if things got really, really bad there might be a temptation to try something else and she was not going to have it. i'd mow because for her that was crossing a line? it was a principle? it makes you work for the nhs production was a nurse that was her life line all of her life and it should something that she felt so strongly. nhs was everything to her. she cannot contemplate the idea of not using the nhs. but that sense of public service of the nhs ran very very deeply with my mum and runs deeply with me. ~ ., i. ,.,, deeply with my mum and runs deeply withme. ~ ., , , ., with me. would you stop the use of rivate with me. would you stop the use of
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private medicine? _ with me. would you stop the use of private medicine? i _ with me. would you stop the use of private medicine? i don't _ with me. would you stop the use of private medicine? i don't think- with me. would you stop the use of private medicine? i don't think you | private medicine? i don't think you could stop it _ private medicine? i don't think you could stop it go — private medicine? i don't think you could stop it go like _ private medicine? i don't think you could stop it go like that _ private medicine? i don't think you could stop it go like that we - private medicine? i don't think you could stop it go like that we do - could stop it go like that we do need more resources. we need to rethink health. ii need more resources. we need to rethink health.— rethink health. if people are not auoin rethink health. if people are not going private? _ rethink health. if people are not going private? you _ rethink health. if people are not going private? you like - rethink health. if people are not going private? you like it - rethink health. if people are not going private? you like it would| rethink health. if people are not i going private? you like it would be a better country if we dealt with problems upstream of representative in the community and better technology in our hospitals and a proper ten year plan with the nhs with appropriate funding would be much better discussion about the nhs than the extent to which they need to be private or not. ifight than the extent to which they need to be private or not. i fight there will be people listening who will say i am paying twice. i pay tax and measures, why does he object to that? measures, why does he ob'ect to that? , , ., .,, measures, why does he ob'ect to that? , , ., ~ ., that? this is almost like a discussion _ that? this is almost like a discussion at _ that? this is almost like a discussion at private i that? this is almost like a i discussion at private schools. i want the nhs and i want our school system to be so good that nobody feels that the need to go private in the first place. feels that the need to go private in the first place-— feels that the need to go private in the first place. now, your mum had a big influence — the first place. now, your mum had a big influence and _ the first place. now, your mum had a big influence and it's _ the first place. now, your mum had a big influence and it's clear _ the first place. now, your mum had a big influence and it's clear your i big influence and it's clear your dad had a huge influence on you. although, as you told me a few years back and you have said since, not an easy relationship. irlat back and you have said since, not an easy relationship.—
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easy relationship. not easy at all. a difficult relationship. _ easy relationship. not easy at all. a difficult relationship. i - easy relationship. not easy at all. a difficult relationship. i mean, i easy relationship. not easy at all. | a difficult relationship. i mean, he worked, he was a toolmaker. an engineer. back to factory all of his life and i think it was here last and that is said the routine was eight o'clock going into work, five o'clock coming back for his tea as he called it. back to six until ten o'clock at night. five days a week. punishing. and it is punishing. i worked with him for some time and there are things you don't appreciate. you are standing all day if you are in a factory that of your standing order along and it is pretty dirty work. but there is a dignity and attend a skill in it. in toolmaker. but he was doing in the factory. and pride and dignity and that skill that i carry with me. is investing in your speeches at the two rocks of my life, family and work. he was obviously, when you said it would mind me dinner that you watch the telly most of the time, did he? i remember hearing that you are on the other go on to the same place. the lake district,
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that was it. was it a bit tempestuous in your house? you it was not tempestuous but, you know, reflecting in the three years or so since we had that discussion, and my dad and the influence he had, reveals other elements as well. because he worked in a factory, he felt that people look down on him. and, you know, if he was in a social setting, people inevitably say, what you do for a living? and when i got to him he would say, you know, i work in a could feel the conversation go dead as people did not know what to say. did conversation go dead as people did not know what to say.— not know what to say. did you ever feel it? did — not know what to say. did you ever feel it? did you _ not know what to say. did you ever feel it? did you ever— not know what to say. did you ever feel it? did you ever witness i not know what to say. did you ever feel it? did you ever witness it? i feel it? did you ever witness it? you make people say i am an accountant or i work here. then it came to my dad. and he that people look down on him, that they did not recognise the manual skill in is a huge amount of skill. and for him, that was something he carried quite
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heavily. the sense that he was being looked down on. we have the same thing actually with my wife was a lawyer as well. she left that to become a mentoring schools before she then went to the nhs. and we had a sense of why you giving up being a lawyer to become a child mentoring, to help children in schools who need support in schools? the to help children in schools who need support in schools?— support in schools? the answer is because it — support in schools? the answer is because it is _ support in schools? the answer is because it is a _ support in schools? the answer is because it is a lot _ support in schools? the answer is because it is a lot more _ support in schools? the answer is because it is a lot more valuable i support in schools? the answer is| because it is a lot more valuable in many respects to what lawyers do? that face looking down on is interesting and it was in your conference speech. you refer to voters who thought we were and patriotic or irresponsible or that we looked down on them. is that one of the reasons labour has an electoral mountain to climb? do you think, as a party, it feels to many voters, often people who did vote labour and then decided not to, that they are being looked down on, they are being sneered at? i they are being looked down on, they are being sneered at?— are being sneered at? i think there is a sense of— are being sneered at? i think there is a sense of that _ are being sneered at? i think there is a sense of that and _ are being sneered at? i think there is a sense of that and it _ are being sneered at? i think there is a sense of that and it is - are being sneered at? i think there is a sense of that and it is almost l is a sense of that and it is almost the same, in a wider sense, then my
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dad which is what is my daddy when he thought people looked down on him? he detached and pulled away and you could see that in parts of the country people use to vote labour have in a sense detached and pulled away from the labour party. and we talk a lot about the 2019 election and what the reasons are that we might have lost that we've all got our own ideas and theories on that but actually this and the labour party has been going on for a decade and arguably a little bit more. looked down on what way. as a fear that you might say the wrong thing. i know that once you could get out you went out and met lots of voters. where they say to you, as you a suspect in their front rooms, i rooms, i wish i could say this but she won't let me? it is not acceptable? i she won't let me? it is not acceptable?— she won't let me? it is not acceptable? she won't let me? it is not acce table? ~' , ., acceptable? i think there is an element of — acceptable? i think there is an element of that. _ acceptable? i think there is an element of that. people i acceptable? i think there is an element of that. people feel. acceptable? i think there is an i element of that. people feel that there is only one right answer to this and therefore i better not say or i won't be i give a different answer. and that is consuming politics and i think sometimes in
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the labour party we do have a sense that there is any one right answer to this and nobody should hold a different view. that is completely wrong. i'd back this week of course you've got this terrible, terrible tragedy of people trying to make their way to a safe shelter perishing. it their way to a safe shelter perishing— their way to a safe shelter perishing. it raises difficult olitical perishing. it raises difficult political questions, - perishing. it raises difficult| political questions, doesn't perishing. it raises difficult i political questions, doesn't it, though? there will be some his only thought isjust though? there will be some his only thought is just sympathy, just thinking, how desperate do you need to be to do that? but there will be plenty of other people who also think, we'vejust plenty of other people who also think, we've just got to sort our borders. we've got to get a decent immigration system. what is your reaction? mr; immigration system. what is your reaction? g ., , immigration system. what is your reaction? g ., ., reaction? my reaction is a human reaction. this _ reaction? my reaction is a human reaction. this is _ reaction? my reaction is a human reaction. this is a _ reaction? my reaction is a human reaction. this is a tragedy. i reaction? my reaction is a human reaction. this is a tragedy. the . reaction. this is a tragedy. the idea of children being put into his flimsy boats and then dying is something which i think is very human and very real. but we can't just wring our hands or do with the home secretary does which is to make yet another plan which is going to
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go we need to step up our work with the french authorities. i did not accept. there have been arrests today in relation to this particular incident. ifind it really today in relation to this particular incident. i find it really hard to believe that those arrests could have been made last week of the week before. i don't see, apart from the tragic deaths, that the evidence is different so ramp up the law enforcement against those that are making money from this human tragedy but also work with the french authorities not only in the camps in the northern part of france but also upstream to stop this terrible trade in human tragedy.— upstream to stop this terrible trade in human tragedy. we're talking now about refugees. _ in human tragedy. we're talking now about refugees. in _ in human tragedy. we're talking now about refugees. in a _ in human tragedy. we're talking now about refugees. in a sense, - in human tragedy. we're talking now about refugees. in a sense, one i in human tragedy. we're talking now about refugees. in a sense, one of i about refugees. in a sense, one of the challenges you faced as labour leader is dealing with the legacy of refugees from the second world war. this debate anti—semitism which was so corrosive for the labour party. harder still for you because it is
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very personal, isn't it?- harder still for you because it is very personal, isn't it? well, it is in a sense _ very personal, isn't it? well, it is in a sense that _ very personal, isn't it? well, it is in a sense that my _ very personal, isn't it? well, it is in a sense that my wife's - very personal, isn't it? well, it is in a sense that my wife's family | very personal, isn't it? well, it is l in a sense that my wife's family are jewish so her father is polish and he came over from poland. jewish so her father is polish and he came overfrom poland. this family came overfrom he came overfrom poland. this family came over from poland. he came overfrom poland. this family came overfrom poland. it is ajewish family. family came overfrom poland. it is a jewish family. and you know, family came overfrom poland. it is ajewish family. and you know, we are bringing up our children to understand their history, to understand their history, to understand their history, to understand theirfamily understand their history, to understand their family and we observe some of the tradition so there is a personal element to it. people sometimes therefore assume the only reason he feels really strongly about this is because there is a family link. that is completely wrong. that is not crossed my mind in relation to what we're doing and anti—semitism in the labour party. i feel profoundly that we had to rip it out which is what we have been doing. and that had little to do with my family but there is one element that in a sense tells you all you need to know which is, my
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wife, is not in the public domain. she appears with me at conference and that sort of thing that she observed that if you look at social media, and its connection with her is her name on my wife, jewish. and it is really interesting how that is most common connection that people make. it tells you a lot. it most common connection that people make. it tells you a lot.— make. it tells you a lot. it does and it must _ make. it tells you a lot. it does and it must also _ make. it tells you a lot. it does and it must also be _ make. it tells you a lot. it does and it must also be awkward i make. it tells you a lot. it does| and it must also be awkward for make. it tells you a lot. it does i and it must also be awkward for your children who are of an age when they will know about this. have you, over the dinner table, even on a friday night dinner because i know that your wife father almost to often comes forth traditional friday night prayers, the foot of have you had to explain to them what this anti—semitism thing is and in? taste anti-semitism thing is and in? we have anti—semitism thing is and in? - have had discussions about it and, including making sure they do understand where the family came from and what being jewish means.
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they are, they find it hard to understand why anybody would want to hate dues. their granddad is a due. my hate dues. their granddad is a due. my wife's family are jewish and we have extended family and is real and so for them it is very hard to understand that kind of hatred. jeremy corbett says of course it does not hate dues. he is passionate about the policies of the state of israel. without getting into that argument with him, do you still speak to him? i argument with him, do you still speakto him?— argument with him, do you still speak to him? argument with him, do you still seak to him? ., ., , ., speak to him? i have not spoken to jeremy since _ speak to him? i have not spoken to jeremy since the — speak to him? i have not spoken to jeremy since the night _ speak to him? i have not spoken to jeremy since the night before i speak to him? i have not spoken to jeremy since the night before the l jeremy since the night before the report was published. into anti-semitism? _ report was published. into anti-semitism? that i report was published. into anti-semitism? that led l report was published. into anti—semitism? that led to his expulsion from the parliamentary party? expulsion from the parliamentary .a ? , ., , , expulsion from the parliamentary .a ? , , ., expulsion from the parliamentary party? this was 'ust over a year auo. i party? this was 'ust over a year ago. i phoned _ party? this wasjust over a year ago. i phoned him _ party? this wasjust over a year ago. i phoned him the - party? this wasjust over a year ago. i phoned him the night- party? this wasjust over a year. ago. i phoned him the night before because i've seen and embargoed copy of the report, just to assure him that i was going to take responsibility is that rid of the labour party and i was going to set out what i was going to read of the
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labour party to put it right because i knew there would be a lot of focus on him. and so that was the last discussion that i had withjeremy. curiosity is at the party conference this year, i went to a big fringe meeting. jeremy corbett. i went to big rally on the seafront. jeremy corbyn. but is not actually a labour mp. if you want to run again in the next election, will he be able to? you make is not at the whip at the moment so it will be able to buy but he would not be run as a labour mp. but you mentioned conference. extraordinary, isn't it? the former labour leader won't be able to run as a labour mp would have do think thatis as a labour mp would have do think that is likely to be the situation when the election is called? i dunno but at the moment _ when the election is called? i dunno but at the moment that _ when the election is called? i dunno but at the moment that may - when the election is called? i dunno but at the moment that may be i when the election is called? i dunno but at the moment that may be the | but at the moment that may be the case. . , but at the moment that may be the case. ., , ., ., case. that is him, in other words? he knows— case. that is him, in other words? he knows what — case. that is him, in other words? he knows what he _ case. that is him, in other words? he knows what he must _ case. that is him, in other words? he knows what he must do - case. that is him, in other words? he knows what he must do in i case. that is him, in other words? | he knows what he must do in order case. that is him, in other words? i he knows what he must do in order to move this forward. i your shadow chancellor was in that seat, rachel reeves, she said she wanted to see someone else rejoin the labour party. would it be a sign of success
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if she does, before the election? i would like to see lucy and i feel that she can make that move. another thing rachel— that she can make that move. another thing rachel reeves _ that she can make that move. another thing rachel reeves said _ that she can make that move. another thing rachel reeves said was - that she can make that move. another thing rachel reeves said was that i thing rachel reeves said was that she had found it extraordinarily painful when she was rather emotional when she talked to me in that chair, when she was accused of being a traitor to her party. has it been painfulfor you? quite a left—wing student, as i recall, to be accused of being a traitor betraying your party? ida. be accused of being a traitor betraying your party? no. the betra al betraying your party? no. the betrayal is _ betraying your party? no. the betrayal is if _ betraying your party? no. the betrayal is if our _ betraying your party? no. the betrayal is if our party - betraying your party? no. the betrayal is if our party doesn'tj betraying your party? no. the i betrayal is if our party doesn't win an election. i didn't come into politics to talk about betrayal and to have internal fights politics to talk about betrayal and to have internalfights in the labour party. i came into politics to change lives in germany changed lives by going into power. in my first year as an mp i voted 172 times and we lost hundred and 71. now, you can tweet about it and you get lots of likes, you can pat
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yourself on the back and say brilliant. but if you lose every vote pretty well every day in parliament, you not change anybody�*s life at all. parliament, you not change anybody's life at all. ., , , , life at all. that sense is where our life at all. that sense is where your very _ life at all. that sense is where your very different _ life at all. that sense is where your very different from i life at all. that sense is where | your very different from jeremy your very different from jeremy corbyn. you're also, to make about the obvious point, rather different from borisjohnson. you accused him recently of corruption. in effect. and you said it is contemptible. it is not a one off or to be taken as trips sewer. he is up to his neck in this. we are not a corrupt country. if owners were not a corrupt country. it if owners were not a corrupt count . , _, , if owners were not a corrupt count . , , ., if owners were not a corrupt country-— if owners were not a corrupt count . , ., ., ., country. it is corrupt of one of our country. it is corrupt of one of your mp5 _ country. it is corrupt of one of your mp5 gets _ country. it is corrupt of one of your mps gets caught - country. it is corrupt of one of. your mps gets caught repeatedly breaking the rules and then view, the prime minister say, well, lets rip up the rules. that is corrupt. but i of being a coward and i actually chose that word partly reflecting what i could see was happening on the other side of the chamber in those debates in the last
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few weeks because, if i have learned anything about leadership and a director of public prosecutions, it is that when things go right and you get the plaudits. but i also learned that, if something goes wrong, you carry the can, which is when i was in the dpp if something went wrong i would be the one to answer on behalf of my team. and what are considered borisjohnson as he had engaged in this corruption tearing up the rules to protect his mate. you then you turn. yet as mp to do something they didn't want to do. clearly they didn't want to do. clearly they didn't want to do. clearly they didn't want to do it and then he turned and he didn't turn up to this day i was right or apologise. that is not leadership. just day i was right or apologise. that is not leadership.— day i was right or apologise. that is not leadership. just a few weeks before you — is not leadership. just a few weeks before you set _ is not leadership. just a few weeks before you set the _ is not leadership. just a few weeks before you set the labour - is not leadership. just a few weeks before you set the labour party . before you set the labour party conference, he is not a bad man, he is a trivial man. your description sounds like you think he is a bad man. ~ , ., , sounds like you think he is a bad man. , ., , man. why not 'ust say it if you think than _ man. why not 'ust say it if you think that? is — man. why notjust say it if you think that? is a _ man. why notjust say it if you think that? is a bad _ man. why notjust say it if you - think that? is a bad mother-to-be think that? is a bad mother—to—be makes me angry. it makes me angry. he makes me frustrated. it is a coward and identity is a but he makes me frustrated. it is a coward and identity is - he makes me frustrated. it is a coward and identity is a but is he bad? welcome _ coward and identity is a but is he bad? welcome is _ coward and identity is a but is he bad? welcome is he _ coward and identity is a but is he
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bad? welcome is he bad? - coward and identity is a but is he bad? welcome is he bad? he - coward and identity is a but is he bad? welcome is he bad? he is| coward and identity is a but is he i bad? welcome is he bad? he is not coward and identity is a but is he - bad? welcome is he bad? he is not a leader. bad? welcome is he bad? he is not a leader- talk — bad? welcome is he bad? he is not a leader. talk about _ bad? welcome is he bad? he is not a leader. talk about angry. _ bad? welcome is he bad? he is not a leader. talk about angry. you - bad? welcome is he bad? he is not a leader. talk about angry. you are - leader. talk about angry. you are prime minister. you can change the country for the better. but what do you do? you make promises you can't keep, and don't really intend to keep. and you don't do the change thatis keep. and you don't do the change that is needed. ifeel very keep. and you don't do the change that is needed. i feel very strongly if you're not going to deliver, if you're not to keep your promises, don't push it. you're not to keep your promises, don't push it— don't push it. you tell me three ears don't push it. you tell me three years ago _ don't push it. you tell me three years ago that _ don't push it. you tell me three years ago that on _ don't push it. you tell me three years ago that on the _ don't push it. you tell me three years ago that on the football l years ago that on the football pitch, you are quite vigorous. your son goes to what you and says why your way shouting, dad? yes. there is the passion _ your way shouting, dad? yes. there is the passion on _ your way shouting, dad? yes. there is the passion on the _ your way shouting, dad? yes. there is the passion on the football - your way shouting, dad? yes. there is the passion on the football pitch l is the passion on the football pitch then there is also, as i get older, then there is also, as i get older, the trick of, in your mind, thinking what you have just done is very skilful and brilliant but actually not the way your team—mates see it, they describe it in a different way. there's still one thing. i can't
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stand losing either in the football pitch or politics or can stand losing so the football pitch everything is about the results. did we win or did we lose? i'm afraid i'm not into it was a great game. if you are on the pitch you on the pitch to win. you are on the pitch you on the pitch to win-— you are on the pitch you on the pitch to win. keir starmer, leader ofthe pitch to win. keir starmer, leader of the labour _ pitch to win. keir starmer, leader of the labour party, _ pitch to win. keir starmer, leader of the labour party, thank - pitch to win. keir starmer, leader of the labour party, thank you i pitch to win. keir starmer, leader| of the labour party, thank you for joining me on political thinking. thank you. hello, storm arwen has been battering a large swathe of the uk and the area of low pressure responsible is now beginning to pull away south and east with pressure building from the west. what that means is through this evening and overnight the strongest winds will ease down but gusts of up to 60mph for some eastern and western coast. a mix of brain sleet and snow becoming confined to east and south—east england, showers
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in wales, devon and cornwall, rain and sleet and snow in north—west scotland and northern ireland later. in between, clear skies and widespread forest and the risk of ice as well. ice risks remain tomorrow morning and an area of rain and sleet and snow pushing through scotland, northern ireland into the north of england and the midlands and behind the head of it, some sunshine but for wintry showers continuing along some eastern coasts and some gusty winds but crucially the winds tomorrow will be much lighter than they have been today, but if you are cold and exposed to the wind, temperature is at best three or it. goodbye.
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