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after the party suffered a shock defeat in the state of virginia. mr biden has rejected suggestions that the loss was of burgundy on his presidency. the us has blacklisted an israeli company that creates pegasus by aware that has allegedly been used by governments to haggle to the phones of political rivals and journalists. they have also booked another israeli company saying that there was evidence that they have supplied spyware to foreign governments. at the start of the pandemic, liverpool's captainjordan henderson called on fellow footballers to donate a portion of their salary to help support healthcare workers on the frontline. the initiative helped to raise millions of pounds. bbc breakfast�*s sally nugent joined jordan henderson at aintree university hospital in liverpool to meet some of the staff who have benefitted. last year, at the start of the pandemic, liverpool captainjordan henderson contacted footballers
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across the country to ask for help. he invited them to support the nhs by donating part of their wage. they raised millions of pounds. he's come to meet hospital staff in liverpool to hear their experiences of working through a pandemic. hi, everyone. are you 0k? the amount of patients that were coming through that were a lot sicker than we were used to looking after, it was a bit of a challenging experience for all of the staff up there, and the support that we've had from nhs charities has meant that i can carry on being a functional human. you know, i'm notjust nurse kate who gets completely exhausted at work. i've got the tools to live a functional life and be happy in my life, so i cannot thank you enough. well, to be honest, i'm not here for you to thank me. i am here to say thank—you to all of you, you know, for what you have done. i can only imagine how tough it has been, so for us to give backjust a little bit
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meant an awful lot to us, you know, and notjust me — players at liverpool, players across the premier league, in the women's game as well. it was a challenging time when actually there were loads of people from the care homes that came to a&e, all covid, one after the other, so injust a matter of one week we had loads of deaths and the hardest thing is that we cannot allow relatives to be with them because we have to take care of them. we have to protect them so that they will not get the virus. according to research from nhs charities together, two thirds of staff have experienced problems with their mental health since the pandemic began. what they have suffered is a form of trauma, really. saying goodbye to loved ones and the families can't come in. that could stay with them for a long time. if staff were a bit upset or distressed, we would take them through to this one—to—one room. in the first couple of waves i it wasjust mayhem and chaos and people needed to come
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in and draw breath. - now people are - absolutely knackered. they have given so much over the last year and a half- and we really need to look after them and help theml nourish themselves and come back to health. i with the money raised by footballers across the uk, the aim is to protect the mental health of nhs staff now and in the future. sally nugent, bbc news. now on bbc news, terminator star and former california governor arnold schwarzenegger sits down with tom heap to discuss his journey to becoming an environmental activist. so we're all good. a clap from arnold schwarzenegger, that's what i like. few men have reached the top in such a variety of professions. body building, seven times mr olympia. in films, rising to become the highest—paid movie star of the time. with conan the barbarian,
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predator... ..and the most famous of all, the terminator. i'll be back. and he was. and i will not let you down. as a politician, serving as a republican governor of california between 2003 and 2011. he used that political power to protect the environment, passing laws to promote renewable energy and limit exhaust fumes. he sees carbon dioxide, the root cause of climate change, as a pollution issue. now he spends much time as an environmental campaigner backing green energy in california and global political events. i mean, you can't get a cause that is larger then saving the planet. with the schwarzenegger climate initiative, organising an annual get—together of senior politicians and green voices in vienna.
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he gave an in—depth interview to the bbc before the climate summit in scotland. are we rolling? i think anything can be done. if you see it and believe it, then you can achieve it. it's that simple. california welcomed arnold schwarzenegger as an immigrant with ambition. first in the gym and later in the studio. but politics gave him environmental purpose. it was only when i was running for governor and i studied all the various different things we could accomplish when i become governor, one of the things that was brought to my attention was that we could have a tremendous impact on the environment. and to clean up our environment, to reduce our pollution in california. because remember california is bearing more cars than any state in the united states,
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so it was very important to reduce the pollution from the cars. so i felt like that is an area where we can do a lot of good work. it happened to be that when i got into office and i learned a little bit about how politics works that this is actually the perfect combination, because i had a democratic legislator and i was the republican governor, so how much better can it get? so we have the real fanatic environmentalists, but we had the whole industry that was not trusting them. but that's where i came in. as a republican, i could say to the industry, "relax, we're going to do this the right way. we're not going to shove this down your throat. we're going to go and find the sweet spot," and that is exactly what we did. we negotiated with the democrats and so the industries, the car industries and the various different industries started trusting us, oil companies started trusting us that we are moving forward
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in a sensitive way but in a very tough way. so this is exactly what we did. democrats and republicans came together, we passed the strictest environmental laws and we move forward in a very aggressive way even though we had tremendous opposition from the federal government. i was just about to say, you were actually sued by the federal government. i sued them! there were lawsuits involved because i said that we are going to go and enforce those laws, for instance to reduce tailpipe emissions because we felt like a lot of the pollution comes from cars. so we wanted to reduce the tailpipe emission and the federal government said, "whoa, whoa, whoa. you don't have the right to do that because actually greenhouse gases is not a pollutant," they said. and i said, "wait a minute. are you serious? you're saying greenhouse gases, c02 is not a pollutant?" they said, "no, therefore you cannot regulate the air." and i said we are going to take this to court, and we took it
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to court and it went all the way to the supreme court. and even with a majority of conservative judges there, they said greenhouse gases is a pollutant. so i said to them, "hello?! how much brainpower does it take to know that this is a pollutant?" so therefore we were able to regulate our own air and move forward in a very aggressive way. and does that partly inform why you think now we should talk about climate change as a pollution issue and carbon dioxide as a pollutant? when i promoted fitness around the world, i had to take the word "body—building" out. even though i'm a body—builder and i was body—building, i had to take it out because it had a bad image. there were people saying, "no, body—builders, they're narcissistic, they are just looking in the mirror in front of them." we overcame all of that, but taking the word out, body—building, and we called it progressive resistance
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training, weight training, fitness training, crosstraining and all of those things, and it all of a sudden took off and now everyone is doing it. so you have to communicate the right way. you have to find exactly the words that it needs to mention so that everyone understands it. and you also think people understand the term pollution because it's clearly a negative. it's easy to understand. when it comes to politics, there is no conservative that says, "i love pollution." they all hate it. no matter who i talk to, they hate pollution and they want to fight pollution. but they will say at the same time, "except this climate change is a hoax." so i said to them, you're right, let's assume it's a hoax, isaid, but let's go and pass a law to reduce pollution and they are on board. that's what we did in california. we talked about pollution and we talked about the health aspects of pollution and we talked about how many people are dying, how many are getting cancer, how many young kids are getting asthma and having tremendous health problems because of that, or dying.
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so all those kinds of things we talked about and therefore the california people understood what is at stake, and therefore they always voted with us and went with us. people say, "wait a minute, what are we trying to fight for here? there's so many problems." i say all of these problems relate only to one thing and it's pollution. don't talk about the polar bears and about the icebergs and about the rising sea level. yeah, we can mention that right along the way because it's true, there is climate change, but it's caused because of pollution. let's terminate pollution. hasta la vista, baby. california has long struggled with poor air quality, driven by economic growth and a seemingly insatiable appetite for driving. as governor, arnold schwarzenegger signed laws requiring tougher vehicle exhaust rules, more clean energy from the sun and wind, and a timetable to cut
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the state's overall greenhouse gas emissions. most of these were achieved with help from the democrats and this bridging of political divides underpins his approach to climate change. his experience in popular movies also gives him strong views on how campaigners should reach a big audience. the environmentalists mean well. they are passionate. i know so many of them, i work with them. but they have a problem when it comes to communicating because theyjust keep using these words "climate change" and every speech they do, they tell you how many millions of tonnes of pollution there is being put out there, spewed out there every year, and they give you facts and figures. but this is not going to sell the ticket. if you go and sell a movie, you can't talk about what lens you used, you can't talk about how you did the financing
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and what special effects they did, you have to tell the story. you have to tell something that makes people go to see the movie. you have to seduce them in. you have to communicate the right way, you have to find exactly the words you need to mention so that everyone understands it, because remember, this is not the kind of concern of most people when you talk about climate change. day to day, yes. climate change, they say, "ok, this is something that will happen down the line. right now i'm worried about providing for my family. to put food on the table, to have a job and everyone is healthy, that's it." so when you talk about climate change, it doesn't work and most people don't understand it, so you talk about something that most people don't understand, so how do you get the mass behind it? we need the mass. every great movement always was a people's movement. if it is the united states, the civil rights movement or the independence movement in india or giving women the right to vote, the women's suffragette movement, the apartheid movement, all of these movements
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were with people power, not solved through politics. they were not solved in the capitals, they were solved by the people and we have to make people understand where can they participate. for instance, most people don't ever think about when they go and buy a pair ofjeans. and it says "made in china". now someone has to ship this overfrom china. these very samejeans can be available made in great britain, made in america, made in mexico or wherever. you don't have to go and take it from one continent to another continent. that is where the majority of people can participate and they don't think about it because no one is educating them. we have to educate people and just say buy local products. every time you go and buy something from overseas, if they buy it from america, from china, from wherever it is, that is evil for the environment. this is the worst thing you can do.
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let's buy local, so this has nothing to do with being patriotic so much as it has a spill—over effect, but it is important to reduce pollution so we don't have to use this cargo ship. and we are crazy, we are shipping steel to asia and then there it gets processed and then we ship it back to the united states. it's absurd, this kind of tonnage of stuff they are shipping back and forth and creating this unbelievable pollution. but wouldn't people say that's just global capitalism? and as a republican, that is something that you would understand. you can have global capitalism, but you have to be smart about it. you can go and compete in all that stuff on a global level, but let's go and reduce pollution because you can have the best capitalism and global capitalism in the world, but if people are dead they are dead, it's over. in the terminatorfilms, human survival hinges on the choices we make. arnold thinks those choices
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in the face of climate peril should be open minded. so when it comes to solving climate change, you think it should be a very big tent. we need to some of that passion of environmentalists but you also need the sort of money and expertise of the big companies for instance? you cannot batten down and say, "i'm sticking to my principles here, i'm not going to let go and this is what i believe in," and all this kind of stuff. the environmentalists don't want to talk about. they don't want to talk about the nuclear power, even though that is a very important part of the mix. many in the environmental movement are actively suspicious and hostile to nuclear power. what do you think about their kind of approach to those kind of solutions? i could broker that deal in two seconds here in america. where you go and you say to the conservatives, "look, we're going to give you an increase in nuclear power in america, but in return you have to give me a huge
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increase in renewables. " it's a deal to be made. nuclear is actually a pretty safe way to do it, especially with the new technology that they are going towards now and by making smaller reactors. so there is a way of really doing it in a way where we really can have alternative energy. not the renewable, but clean energy. and really make an impact very quickly. these are emergency measures now. we are coming, you know, it's like 11 o'clock. do you think we should be drilling for new sources of oil and gas now? well, i don't think that we should concentrate on that, you know? i think we need oil and gas now still because we are not yet able to replace that with better things. but i think that what we should concentrate on now is how to build more solar, how to build more windmills out in the ocean like we have done in california. you know, iwasjust there doing a photo session.
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there were, like, hundreds of windmills in the back. this is the technology where we have to go. we have to create energy in a renewable way, and there is so many wonderful ways of doing that today, that's what we should concentrate on. but in the meantime we still have to drill oil, we still have to go and get oil because there is still an enormous amount of vehicles and energy that is being produced through fossil fuels. here in california, do you have any sort of project you are particularly passionate about that you see as potentially climate change solutions? we are the only place that really reduce greenhouse gases by 25% and have brought it back to the 1990 level two years early — we were supposed to have that done by 2020 and we did it by 2018. and then we are increasing our renewables every year, we are really stepping up the solar and the wind,
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and also we are very aggressive in technology and bringing more electric cars on the road, hydrogen cars on the road. the same effect when i was governor. we built the first hydrogen highway. california's sizzling, and what we so happy about is that we are proving simultaneously that this is the bestjob creator when you go green. i mean, we have had an increase in job creation since 1990 by 35% in the green sector, for instance. and at the same time, we are number one economically in the united states with a gdp of $3.3 trillion. and that at the same time makes us the fifth largest economy in the world at the same time while we have the strictest environmental laws. so it shows you that you can protect the environment and you can protect the economy at the same time. so all of those countries that come and give speeches that "we are not going to go and losejobs because of going
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green," they are liars or they're just stupid and they don't know how to do it. because we figured it out how to do it, they can figure out how to do it, and it's all about having the balls to do it. this is persian if i'm not mistaken. arnold schwarzenegger's films don't just thrive on the thrill of violence. some celebrate the glamour of wealth. you tango? mm. 0h! hollywood is in step with people like arnold schwarzenegger, immigrants who dream big and get the beverly hills mansion by delivering big dreams to us. california's growth still outstrips much of america, but many say that keeping or growing this material wealth while ending climate change is just another fantasy. do you honestly believe that the world's population, the eight billion people, can kind of live like californians if they just strip out the carbon? do you think that that is possible, or do we have to be honest and say we all
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have to give up a bit? no, i don't think that you have to give up. i think you just have to switch. look, what do you have to give up? if i went from a 300—horsepower hummer, that was diesel fuelled, and now i go and build an electric engine in there and now it's 480—horsepower and it's electric, what did i give up? i'm still driving my hummer. as a matter of fact, that very same hummerjust auctioned off for $500,000 at my last fundraiser — that's how hot that was, because it's electric, so people appreciate that. so you don't have to give up, you don't have to sell out or anything — all you have to do is make adjustments and look at technology because technology in the end will save us all. so you don't have to give up things. you can go and switch things because of technology. that's where the action is. talking of giving up things, where are you on diet these days and eating meat?
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well, i have reduced meat intake i would say about 70% or 80%. is that not giving up something? no. i'm gaining. you know what happened since i eat more vegetables and pla nt—based foods? my heart doctor said, "arnold, it's really remarkable. your arteries have been narrow and getting narrower and narrower every year, but now all of a sudden it's stopped." so how did i give up anything? i gained something. i gained my health. it gave me an extra two years. ijust have to stop smoking and then i'm really home free. but i'm just saying that itjust depends how you look at it. people always say, "you have to give up this, have to give up..." i don't give up anything. i hate giving up things! i hate it because i'm a person that always adds. when they say, "well, you know, when you go into acting, you give up bodybuilding,"
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i said, "no, i will continue working out. i just don't compete anymore, but i will continue working out." and then when i got into politics, they say, "you have to give up acting," no — being a politician is like being an actor. like ronald reagan said, you still have to act out your part, right? and show leadership. so you don't have to give up anything. i said, "look, i'm doing now i'm doing movies, i do my bodybuilding, i do policy stuff, and all of this kind of stuff you can mix it all together. you don't have to give things up. cycling, rather than driving his two—mile daily commute through the la suburb of santa monica is another way he thinks he's adapted rather than sacrificed for a lower carbon world. it's good for his health so long as he avoids the cars, and warms him up for the gym. and notjust him. exhale. no, ijust said let go. now slowly up, slowly up and spread your wings, spread your wings. but the question troubling many
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worried about climate change is just how much heavy lifting world leaders will do in glasgow. we have cop26 coming up, this big international meeting. what are your hopes or maybe fears for cop26? what do you think? i think that, uh, cop 26 is just like any of the other cop, uh, kind of, meetings. people are saying it's a game—changer, make or break. i think the bottom line is the more often that we meet, the better it is. i think it's great when those leaders get together every year and talk about what they can do. i'm just not a big fan of making everything rest on those kind of cop meetings. i always pick very big goals, and i always saw them very clearly in front of me, and i think the same thing will happen with climate change and with eliminating pollution.
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it's very important that we have a positive attitude that we can see it and that we all work together, because not one person can do that by themselves. it's a huge undertaking and it takes the political arena, it takes the public sector, the private sector, the nonprofit sector, the academic sector, ordinary folks. everyone has to participate in this. and then i think we can do it. one of your most famous films, terminator 2, has a line in it... "no fate but what we make for ourselves." what fate are we making as regards climate change? i think that we have to go and button up and just really work together in order to really conquer this problem. i mean, i think we have conquered problems in the past, we've terminated problems in the past. i think that we can do it again. it's the bottom line. and look, the key thing is also, which we didn't talk about, is not to make it political. this is not a political issue.
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it's very political in america. notjust in america, everywhere. it's a political issue that the right always wants to protect kind of the oil companies and the left always wants to fight them and stuff. this is internationally the case, but there is not democratic air or liberal air. there is no conservative air or republican air. we all breathe the same air. we all drink the same water. it's all the same thing. that's why i always mention to people, i say, "in both parties, you can have heroes." like, for instance, to me, teddy roosevelt, who protected all of the land in america so that we keep the trees, so that no one can destroy them and build on them, and all this stuff. he was a great environmentalist and he was a republican. president nixon was creating the epa when he was president. and there wasjimmy carter, the democrat that came in. he was the first one to really rattle the cage,
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saying we need to improve and go to renewable energy, and he created all of this great subsidies for windmills and for solar and all that stuff. and there was president 0bama, another democrat, that helped us make our tailpipe emissions standards national. so here's two republicans, two democrats. how can we say it's a political issue? i mean, it's like we all have to work together. that is the bottom line, and take the politics out and just say we've got to save the world and we all have to work together. arnold schwarzenegger, i will shake on that. thank you very much indeed. thank you. hello. a chillier feel to the weather this thursday. yesterday we saw some decent sunshine early on in the day, and the cloud built up. today it's likely to be a similar scenario. but where we do have the sunshine, it will still feel cooler because of the wind,
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and because we've pulled in colder airfrom the north through the course of the night. a frost to start the day, all the way down from scotland into the welsh marshes. milder initially across eastern england, but here, a chance of some showers through the day, some coming in down the north sea coast, as well, and nagging northerly wind here. again, showers for pembrokeshire and cornwall. for the majority, though, it's shaping up to be a fine day with some sunny spells, temperatures at best 9—10 celsius and feeling cooler because of the breeze. but you'll notice through thursday evening and overnight more cloud coming into the north of the uk, it will bring a bit of rain, as well. this is a chilly warm front — the clue is of course in the name. it's ushering in warmerair behind it so by the end of thursday night, friday morning, it's actually much milder across scotland and northern ireland. and that milder air will then continue to tip its way south across the uk through friday around
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this big area of high pressure. so high pressure keeps things fine, it should also means the winds become lighter and, with the milder air moving in, it will just feel a little bit warmer on friday. a lot of fine weather, perhaps the sunshine not quite as widespread, but the temperatures lift up by 1—2 degrees. and it will remain fine into the evening if you have plans for bonfire night. aside from, i think some rain for northern and western scotland. and for the weekend, we are looking at milder air taking over from the atlantic. perhaps not especially mild, but certainly warmer than the air will be sitting in for thursday. saturday, very windy across the uk, some rain for northern ireland and scotland to start the day. a bit brighter come the afternoon with some showers but temperatures, we're looking at 13—14 celsius with sunshine to the south. sunday, lighter winds. we're still in a relatively milder air. picking up a little bit of a northwesterly, though, across scotland, it could feel perhaps a shade cooler here, but i think the offset will be that it will be a drier and brighter day than saturday.
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