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this is bbc news. our headlines: british members of parliament have been paying their respects to their colleague sir david amess, who was killed on friday, at a special sitting of the house of commons. the prime minister said his death left a vacuum that would never be filled. colin powell, america's first black secretary of state and youngest ever chairman of thejoint chiefs of staff, has died at the age of 8a. his family said it was due to coronavirus complications. rescue teams in the indian state of kerala are scrambling to find survivors, after severe flooding killed at least 27 people. homes were swept away by the rising floodwaters and there have been landslides. in the uk, covid infection rates and hospitalisations are many times higher than most of western europe. public health experts are calling for the covid vaccine booster programme to be rolled out faster and to all over—50s.
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with us, the broadcaster penny smith and the home affairs editor of the evening standard, martin bentham. martin, ithink martin, i think it came to our rescue at quite short notice, didn't you? rescue at quite short notice, didn't ou? we rescue at quite short notice, didn't you?- we are _ rescue at quite short notice, didn't you?- we are very - rescue at quite short notice, didn't you?- we are very grateful| rescue at quite short notice, didn't i you?- we are very grateful to you? indeed. we are very grateful to ou. an you? indeed. we are very grateful to yom any even _ you? indeed. we are very grateful to you. any even more _ you? indeed. we are very grateful to you. any even more than _ you? indeed. we are very grateful to you. any even more than anyone - you? indeed. we are very grateful to i you. any even more than anyone else, i'm imagining! —— penny. and look at the headlines. "time to end the online hatred", reads the metro, as a police probe into sir david amess�* suspected killer is linked to online radicalisation. the guardian says borisjohnson is facing calls to crack down on social media abuse and end online anonymity following the 69—year—old's death.
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the southend echo celebrates the conservative mp�*s wish of southend being granted city status. the telegraph says the covid booster programme is moving "too slow", with millions waiting to receive a third dose ahead of winter. the financial times tells us the government will help almost 100,000 households to install electric heatpumps as part of its net zero strategy. we are going to start with a paper we don't often feature often enough, the echo, and the headline, david's city of southend. penny, this is being done in a hurry, and david amess would be delighted to the one positive thing we can take out of this appalling story.— positive thing we can take out of this appalling story. yes, the queen announced it — this appalling story. yes, the queen announced it would _ this appalling story. yes, the queen announced it would be _ this appalling story. yes, the queen announced it would be the - this appalling story. yes, the queen announced it would be the next - this appalling story. yes, the queen| announced it would be the next city, and as_ announced it would be the next city, and as you _ announced it would be the next city, and as you said, it was a long—held dream _ and as you said, it was a long—held dream of— and as you said, it was a long—held dream of sir— and as you said, it was a long—held dream of sir david amess. i think the picture — dream of sir david amess. i think the picture as well, it isjust so incredibly— the picture as well, it isjust so incredibly sad? you just look at it
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and you _ incredibly sad? you just look at it and you just know that he would have been so _ and you just know that he would have been so incredibly chuffed if this had happened in different circumstances, and the prime minister— circumstances, and the prime minister saying of sir david amess one of— minister saying of sir david amess one of the — minister saying of sir david amess one of the nicest, kindest and most gentle _ one of the nicest, kindest and most gentle individuals ever elected, and ithink— gentle individuals ever elected, and i think that picture sums him up. he was i think that picture sums him up. hg. was an i think that picture sums him up. he: was an extraordinary campaigner, martin, we are told. very resourceful, very innovative, eccentric, you might have said, always making sure his constituent sourcing as front and foremost. it was this dedicated police service — that is what he was doing. for all the cynicism there is about politics sometimes, he is a good example, another one who died very recently, was another, he died in different circumstances, through cancer, but there are selfless individuals out
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there are selfless individuals out there putting them sums out and drink your hard work for their constituents, and sir david amess was very much, from all we hear, exactly in that category —— putting themselves out there and doing the hard work. , , ., , hard work. yes. penny, he was the sub'ect of hard work. yes. penny, he was the subject of so _ hard work. yes. penny, he was the subject of so many _ hard work. yes. penny, he was the subject of so many tributes - hard work. yes. penny, he was the subject of so many tributes today l subject of so many tributes today in the house of commons and then there was that very moving ceremony for him over at saint margaret's church. it was a very solemn occasion but also a lot of laughs in the house of commons. i also a lot of laughs in the house of commons. ~ ., �* , also a lot of laughs in the house of common— commons. i think that's the point, isn't it? when _ commons. i think that's the point, isn't it? when somebody - commons. i think that's the point, isn't it? when somebody is - commons. i think that's the point, i isn't it? when somebody is genuinely truly toved~ _ isn't it? when somebody is genuinely truly loved. you hesitate to use the wordm _ truly loved. you hesitate to use the wordm i_ truly loved. you hesitate to use the word... ithink truly loved. you hesitate to use the word... i think even people who knew nothing _ word... i think even people who knew nothing about southend would've heard _ nothing about southend would've heard the name of sir david amess because _ heard the name of sir david amess because of— heard the name of sir david amess because of the fact that he has made his point _ because of the fact that he has made his point. what were the other points— his point. what were the other points about the fact that he was
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always _ points about the fact that he was always there with the last minute quips, _ always there with the last minute quips, always try to get the word southend — quips, always try to get the word southend in? find quips, always try to get the word southend in?— quips, always try to get the word southend in? �* . , .. , southend in? and he has achieved his aim. it is southend in? and he has achieved his aim- it is so — southend in? and he has achieved his aim. it is so sad _ southend in? and he has achieved his aim. it is so sad he's _ southend in? and he has achieved his aim. it is so sad he's not _ southend in? and he has achieved his aim. it is so sad he's not here - southend in? and he has achieved his aim. it is so sad he's not here to - aim. it is so sad he's not here to see it. on a more serious note, a couple of stories in the metro. time to end the online hatred. this is because of links the suspected killer had with online radicalisation but we are told, martin. , ., ., ~ martin. yes, although i think there are two different _ martin. yes, although i think there are two different things. _ martin. yes, although i think there are two different things. the - are two different things. the investigations into suspected islamist extremism and that type of radicalisation. i think what is being talked about today is an equally grave problem but perhaps a slightly different one cup general vitriol directed at mps not from an extra miss point of view, a counterterrorism point of view, but people being aggressive and hostile, which must be very draining to be on
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the other end of. you had chris bryant on earlier, the example of a victim of this, lots of victims have been women, and i have been in select committees where various executives from the social media companies are all before them, they say they are trying to do more to stop all this, and the relevant committee pulls up examples of things that been up there for sometime and have not been taken down and the problem seems to go on, and i think the online safety bill, which is before parliament now, is intended to address this. i suppose we have to hope that it does because, clearly, the presence now of social media and the ability to commit it with people in large numbers, to get together, it's obviously very upsetting, this case,
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to mps but also many ordinary people as well, and some things try to prevent some of that and moderate some of the discussion that goes on, and it would be long overdue, i think. , , ., ., , think. yes, the guardian, penny, also looks _ think. yes, the guardian, penny, also looks at _ think. yes, the guardian, penny, also looks at this. _ think. yes, the guardian, penny, also looks at this. pm _ think. yes, the guardian, penny, also looks at this. pm calls - think. yes, the guardian, penny, also looks at this. pm calls were | also looks at this. pm calls were david's a lot to halt online abuse. there are laws already which cover some of the content that you have seen. the social media platforms are criticised, like martin said, not doing enough, and there is also the darknet. how do you stop being anonymous? i don't know enough about how you do it, to know. i was anonymous? i don't know enough about how you do it, to know.— how you do it, to know. i was going to sa , how you do it, to know. i was going to say. you — how you do it, to know. i was going to say. you and _ how you do it, to know. i was going to say, you and me _ how you do it, to know. i was going to say, you and me both. _ how you do it, to know. i was going to say, you and me both. bigger. to say, you and me both. bigger brains _ to say, you and me both. bigger brains than, certainly, than me, have _ brains than, certainly, than me, have been— brains than, certainly, than me, have been transferred this out. they always _ have been transferred this out. they always say— have been transferred this out. they always say the problem is if they come _ always say the problem is if they come down on anonymity, you are also sweep— come down on anonymity, you are also sweep away— come down on anonymity, you are also sweep away whistle—blowers and, for
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example. _ sweep away whistle—blowers and, for example, pro—democracy campaigners in authoritarian regimes, and that sort of— in authoritarian regimes, and that sort of thing, but i sometimes do worry— sort of thing, but i sometimes do worry if— sort of thing, but i sometimes do worry if we — sort of thing, but i sometimes do worry if we are not going, we cannot do it because — worry if we are not going, we cannot do it because of that, but hold on the second~ — do it because of that, but hold on the second. if we actually went and prosecuted — the second. if we actually went and prosecuted a few of these more offensive. — prosecuted a few of these more offensive, and i say more offensive - the _ offensive, and i say more offensive - the awful — offensive, and i say more offensive — the awful thing is, as we've been saying. _ — the awful thing is, as we've been saying. the — — the awful thing is, as we've been saying, the point is is, you've got people _ saying, the point is is, you've got people who — saying, the point is is, you've got people who are at this level of disgusting troll, and then you've -ot disgusting troll, and then you've got the — disgusting troll, and then you've got the other side, which is threats, _ got the other side, which is threats, text to family, threats to living, _ threats, text to family, threats to living, and — threats, text to family, threats to living, and i— threats, text to family, threats to living, and i cannot understand, i really— living, and i cannot understand, i really cannot understand, why we cannot _ really cannot understand, why we cannot properly prosecute a few people — cannot properly prosecute a few people and say, that is an example of what _ people and say, that is an example of what happens if you go around making _ of what happens if you go around making those threats. why is that impossible?—
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making those threats. why is that impossible? perhaps as our home affairs expert _ impossible? perhaps as our home affairs expert might _ impossible? perhaps as our home affairs expert might be _ impossible? perhaps as our home affairs expert might be able - impossible? perhaps as our home affairs expert might be able to - impossible? perhaps as our home | affairs expert might be able to help us out with this, martin. what are the options? it us out with this, martin. what are the options?— the options? it is entirely possible. _ the options? it is entirely possible, prosecutions i the options? it is entirely| possible, prosecutions do the options? it is entirely - possible, prosecutions do happen, and we have seen that with the racist abuse of some these footballers. there have been some prosecutions in respect of that. i think clearly it is possible, you could argue about whether there could argue about whether there could be more and should be more, but i think the other problem is that, going back to the companies themselves, they have always tried to distance those previously, claim they not publishers, the online safety bill is trained to address that and impose their large fines on them forfailing in that and impose their large fines on them for failing in their duty of care they are being given to prevent the wrong sort of material going on there their sites. i think that is one route forward and i think also just filtering out this stuff using
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the albums they have, it could be done more effectively. there was say it is quite located because things change —— the algorithms. free speech and things which are toxic... clearly, mps are not satisfied that's been the case. i think most members of the public can think, often, it seems there are bad examples, where materials should not be being tolerated each appears to be being tolerated each appears to be a breach of the media company's on guidelines. i think they're still work to do on their for sure. star; work to do on their for sure. stay with the guardian, _ work to do on their for sure. stay with the guardian, martin — new covid cases, close to 50,000 in a single day. and when you look at the number of people die in, it's close a week. and yet we are behaving as if the pandemic is over, and something we are living with ——
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close to 1000 a week. in the past, when those numbers were at the same level, that was the only story we are reporting. i level, that was the only story we are reporting-— are reporting. i suppose that's true, although _ are reporting. i suppose that's true, although it _ are reporting. i suppose that's true, although it is _ are reporting. i suppose that's true, although it is still - are reporting. i suppose that's true, although it is still true i are reporting. i suppose that's l true, although it is still true that most people have had vaccine, most people of the double vaccines, and so the situation is still different to the risk of exponential increase, not quite as present as it was, say, a year ago, the situation you're talking about, when people were much more concerned about it than they are now. we have to get to a point where we live with what is happening. the crucial question here is, the booster vaccine programme, isn't it? the telegraph is reporting this as well, how quickly that is going out, because we're actually at the moment suffering from her own
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lots of people who have been told vaccinated, double vaccinated early, so their immunity is starting to wane. some of the european countries, their vaccines are fresher. the crucial message must be, we need to get on with the vaccine booster programme. to make sure we are not running adrift without. is it programme. to make sure we are not running adrift without.— running adrift without. is it that simle? running adrift without. is it that simple? that — running adrift without. is it that simple? that is _ running adrift without. is it that simple? that is cold _ running adrift without. is it that simple? that is cold comfort i running adrift without. is it that simple? that is cold comfort to| running adrift without. is it that l simple? that is cold comfort to a family tonight who are mourning the death of some of the from covid, so far into this pandemic? the death of some of the from covid, so far into this pandemic?— far into this pandemic? the other art of far into this pandemic? the other part of the _ far into this pandemic? the other part of the telegraph _ far into this pandemic? the other part of the telegraph that - far into this pandemic? the other part of the telegraph that martin | part of the telegraph that martin has mentioned is that experts say the programme is doing with schoolchildren and extra doses for irnrnuno _ schoolchildren and extra doses for immuno copyrights people, they working — immuno copyrights people, they working three different nine parity groups— working three different nine parity groups over 80s,
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working three different nine parity groups over80s, karen working three different nine parity groups over 80s, karen residents —— immuno _ groups over 80s, karen residents —— immuno compromise. it is all kind of really— immuno compromise. it is all kind of really a _ immuno compromise. it is all kind of really a bit _ immuno compromise. it is all kind of really a bit messy —— care home residents — really a bit messy —— care home residents. you look at places like israel~ _ residents. you look at places like israel. hats off, they have done a good _ israel. hats off, they have done a good job — israel. hats off, they have done a good job. we have 64 million people and that— good job. we have 64 million people and that does make it more difficult, _ and that does make it more difficult, and it makes it more difficult — difficult, and it makes it more difficult now because we have got so many _ difficult now because we have got so many more — difficult now because we have got so many more people who are taking time off when— many more people who are taking time off when they test positive for covid — off when they test positive for covid that perhaps in the past before — covid that perhaps in the past before we even have the test would have carried on going to work. that's— have carried on going to work. that's true, _ have carried on going to work. that's true, yes, absolutely. we were blissfully ignorant before the test appeared. even if you got symptoms, you are not sure, and at the very beginning of the pandemic, we are not even sure just how many systems symptoms amounted to covid. i am sure, like symptoms amounted to covid. i am sure. like me. _ symptoms amounted to covid. i am sure, like me, you _ symptoms amounted to covid. i am sure, like me, you had _ symptoms amounted to covid. i am sure, like me, you had lots of friends — sure, like me, you had lots of friends who had this funny cough, they lost— friends who had this funny cough, they lost their sense of taste and smell, _ they lost their sense of taste and smell, but — they lost their sense of taste and smell, but by the time there were tests— smell, but by the time there were tests for— smell, but by the time there were tests for this, of course, obviously
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anti—buddies had waned, so we never did find _ anti—buddies had waned, so we never did find out— anti—buddies had waned, so we never did find out whether or not they had it. did find out whether or not they had it and _ did find out whether or not they had it and we _ did find out whether or not they had it. and we do know as well as we have got— it. and we do know as well as we have got along that you do have quite _ have got along that you do have quite a — have got along that you do have quite a good protection if you have actually _ quite a good protection if you have actually had the virus. yes, multiple — actually had the virus. yes, multiple reasons _ actually had the virus. yes, multiple reasons to - actually had the virus. yes, multiple reasons to have i actually had the virus. yes, i multiple reasons to have good antibodies. let's stay with the telegraph are a couple of stories about how we make our housing stock better and how we heat our homes in in eire where we are trained to reach net zero, penny. the telegraph says euler vouchers would helpjust 90,000 homes switch from gas. —— boiler. 0ne 90,000 homes switch from gas. —— boiler. one of the fuels we are being discouraged from using in the future. ~ , , ., , being discouraged from using in the future. , ., , , , future. absolutely, any problem is, as i think future. absolutely, any problem is, as i think we _ future. absolutely, any problem is, as i think we heard _ future. absolutely, any problem is, as i think we heard a _ future. absolutely, any problem is, as i think we heard a little - as i think we heard a little earlier on from — as i think we heard a little earlier on from your programme, about how this is— on from your programme, about how this is not— on from your programme, about how this is not the easiest thing to swap— this is not the easiest thing to swap from a gas boiler. it is not, a a-s swap from a gas boiler. it is not, a gas boiler comes out to the little
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heat pump boiler goes in. it is more difficult, _ heat pump boiler goes in. it is more difficult, expensive. they said impose, — difficult, expensive. they said impose, would you switch to a heat pump? _ impose, would you switch to a heat pump? and — impose, would you switch to a heat pump? and people say, the vast majority, — pump? and people say, the vast majority, say, yeah, of course. they say, _ majority, say, yeah, of course. they say, would _ majority, say, yeah, of course. they say, would you be prepared to spend up say, would you be prepared to spend up to— say, would you be prepared to spend up to £70,000 to change it, and people _ up to £70,000 to change it, and people suddenly have a different thought— people suddenly have a different thought about it, because the problem — thought about it, because the problem is, while you want to do your— problem is, while you want to do your bit. — problem is, while you want to do your bit, you don't want to at the expense — your bit, you don't want to at the expense of— your bit, you don't want to at the expense of not being of the page heating _ expense of not being of the page heating for any considerable amount of time _ heating for any considerable amount of time. and their worries about how lon- of time. and their worries about how long is— of time. and their worries about how long is to _ of time. and their worries about how long is to last. is this going to be superseded? do you want to be at the front. _ superseded? do you want to be at the front, the _ superseded? do you want to be at the front, the back, orat superseded? do you want to be at the front, the back, or at the next bit coming _ front, the back, or at the next bit coming through? is front, the back, or at the next bit coming through? is it front, the back, or at the next bit coming through?— front, the back, or at the next bit coming through? is it we have left us a bit late _ coming through? is it we have left us a bit late and _ coming through? is it we have left us a bit late and should _ coming through? is it we have left us a bit late and should have i coming through? is it we have left us a bit late and should have beenj us a bit late and should have been doing this sooner, martin? possibly, althou:h doing this sooner, martin? possibly, although the — doing this sooner, martin? possibly, although the technology _ doing this sooner, martin? possibly, although the technology is _ doing this sooner, martin? possibly, although the technology is evolving. | although the technology is evolving. some of that technology is not
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