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i'm shaun ley with the latest headlines. afghan troops are now guarding bagram, after the departure of the last american forces from the main us operational base north of kabul. the pull—out comes as more districts fall to a taliban offensive. on her final official visit to the uk, chancellor angela merkel has been visiting the queen. earlier, she said britons who've had both covid jabs should be able to visit germany in the foreseeable future without quarantine. 20 people are now confirmed dead in the surfside apartment collapse in miami. one of the latest bodies to be recovered is that of a seven—year—old child, whose father is a local firefighter. and the number of deaths linked to coronavirus in india has passed the 400,000 mark. experts warn that the real number of fatalities may be much higher, as many deaths are not officially recorded.
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hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me arejoe mayes, uk politics reporter at bloomberg, and sian griffiths, education editor at the sunday times. good to see both of you again, thanks very much for being with us. now let's start with the front pages to bring you right up to date at home. the future of quarantine — the times writes that fully—vaccinated people may not need to isolate if they come into contact with someone with the virus — a change it says could be made within weeks. isolating also takes the front of the mail, as it leads with reports of calls to reform rules or risk "crippling" the economy. and another split in westminster, as michael gove becomes the second cabinet minister to part ways with their wife in the space of a week. it says he and his wife are parting amicably. the telegraph focuses on whether any social distancing rules could have been broken.
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"a victory for �*decency”' — the labour leader sir keir starmer�*s reaction to the by—election win in batley and spen leads on the front of the guardian. it's trading that takes the lead on the front of the ft, as it reports that london has reclaimed its crown as europe's largest share trading centre. and, yes, we kane! as the england squad gears up for the quarterfinal in rome against ukraine, the mirror says team captain harry kane "will give it everything and lead lions to glory". let's begin. joe, do you want to kick off and start with the times and it story about quarantine — some good news? and it story about quarantine - some good news?— good news? well, the government miaht good news? well, the government might change _ good news? well, the government might change covid _ good news? well, the government might change covid restrictions - good news? well, the government might change covid restrictions in | might change covid restrictions in the future, and the focus here is on people who had both jabs. the report says if you're in that state, you won't have to be isolated if you come in contact with a crown of our
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sufferer. it's hinting that the freedoms we've seen if you've had both doses — it also speaks about angela merkel and her saying that travel to the eu without quarantine is also likely in the future if you've had both doses. those are freedoms people can expect to have soon. in freedoms people can expect to have soon. , ., .,, freedoms people can expect to have soon. , ., ., , soon. in terms of those freedoms, we've had — soon. in terms of those freedoms, we've had a _ soon. in terms of those freedoms, we've had a lot _ soon. in terms of those freedoms, we've had a lot of _ soon. in terms of those freedoms, we've had a lot of ambiguity - soon. in terms of those freedoms, we've had a lot of ambiguity over. we've had a lot of ambiguity over this, the double jab effect. 0n the one hand, a lot of medics are saying it's much improved protection from the virus, we still aren't clear if it prevents you carrying the virus and transmitting it to other people. we aren't100% sure about the amount of immunity and how long it lasts. but there seems to be so much popular pressure now to give on this that seems unlikely politicians will be as cautious as perhaps they've beenin be as cautious as perhaps they've been in the past. i be as cautious as perhaps they've been in the past.— been in the past. i think that's riuht. been in the past. i think that's right- the _ been in the past. i think that's right. the problem _ been in the past. i think that's right. the problem is - been in the past. i think that's right. the problem is i - been in the past. i think that's right. the problem is i think. been in the past. i think that's - right. the problem is i think that's already— right. the problem is i think that's already highlighted in this the times—
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already highlighted in this the times story, the infection rate is going _ times story, the infection rate is going up. — times story, the infection rate is going up, one in every 260 people is estimated _ going up, one in every 260 people is estimated to have the virus. so it is an_ estimated to have the virus. so it is an ambiguous position. 0n the one hand, _ is an ambiguous position. 0n the one hand, everybody's urging lifting of the restrictions and putting a lot of faith— the restrictions and putting a lot of faith on— the restrictions and putting a lot of faith on the idea that if you've had the — of faith on the idea that if you've had the double jab, you have an awful— had the double jab, you have an awful lot — had the double jab, you have an awful lot of protection at least against — awful lot of protection at least against hospitalisation and death. 0n against hospitalisation and death. on the _ against hospitalisation and death. 0n the other hand, we have a steadily— 0n the other hand, we have a steadily increasing virus rate. we know _ steadily increasing virus rate. we know the — steadily increasing virus rate. we know the delta variant is much more infectious _ know the delta variant is much more infectious than anything we've seen before, _ infectious than anything we've seen before, so— infectious than anything we've seen before, so it's quite a worrying picture — before, so it's quite a worrying picture and very difficult decisions to make _ picture and very difficult decisions to make in — picture and very difficult decisions to make in terms of that key 19july date which — to make in terms of that key 19july date which is still being tipped is freedom — date which is still being tipped is freedom date, even in this the times piece. _ freedom date, even in this the times piece. chris— freedom date, even in this the times piece, chris whitty is saying that he thinks — piece, chris whitty is saying that he thinks facemasks will still be needed — he thinks facemasks will still be needed after 19july. so it's not
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needed after19july. so it's not clear— needed after 19july. so it's not clear cut — needed after 19july. so it's not clear cut at all. | needed after191uly. so it's not clear cut at all.— needed after 19 july. so it's not clear cut at all.— clear cut at all. i was talking to another government _ clear cut at all. i was talking to another government health - clear cut at all. i was talking to - another government health adviser who was saying exactly that, what kind of frustrations will you personally choose to carry on exercising? he said trying to be outdoors as much as possible and meeting people with a facemask. continuing on that theme takes us to the daily mail, this is another aspect of this, test some trace has perhaps not worked in the way people have hoped, but even where it is working, you've got people kicking against the consequence is particularly in the hospitality industry. particularly in the hospitality indust . . , “ �* industry. the headline is, "don't let the nhs _ industry. the headline is, "don't let the nhs applicable _ industry. the headline is, "don't let the nhs applicable britain."| let the nhs applicable britain." it's let the nhs applicable britain." it's an— let the nhs applicable britain." it's an attack on the system we have where. _ it's an attack on the system we have where. if— it's an attack on the system we have where. if you — it's an attack on the system we have where, if you come into contact with someone _ where, if you come into contact with someone who's tested positive for covid. _ someone who's tested positive for covid. then— someone who's tested positive for covid, then you have to isolate for ten days. — covid, then you have to isolate for ten days, and it is causing chaos and havoc— ten days, and it is causing chaos and havoc in— ten days, and it is causing chaos and havoc in offices and restaurants, and bars, especially in
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schools— restaurants, and bars, especially in schools where whole bubbles are being _ schools where whole bubbles are being sent home, entire year groups are being— being sent home, entire year groups are being sent home even if there's only one _ are being sent home even if there's only one positive case in the class. ithink— only one positive case in the class. i think this — only one positive case in the class. i think this story in the daily mail also points towards a sense that perhaps — also points towards a sense that perhaps ministers will move towards letting _ perhaps ministers will move towards letting us _ perhaps ministers will move towards letting us take more personal responsibility and lifting some legal— responsibility and lifting some legal restrictions requiring people to isolate for ten days if they've come _ to isolate for ten days if they've come into — to isolate for ten days if they've come into contact with a positive case _ come into contact with a positive case so— come into contact with a positive case. so another story suggesting that we _ case. so another story suggesting that we are heading for greater freedom — that we are heading for greater freedom and less restrictions on our “party _ freedom and less restrictions on our “party but— freedom and less restrictions on our liberty. but still again, this story too pointing out that covid infection soared by two infections last infection soared by two infections iast week— infection soared by two infections last week with 11,000 new cases. this is— last week with 11,000 new cases. this is day— last week with 11,000 new cases. this is day two of the daily mail pushing on these questions as it reminds us it was saying yesterday, ie today's paper, that as many as 1.7 million people could be told isolate every week. the paradoxes as
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the number of infections go up, of course will get more of these, even if more of those people aren't actually going develop the illness in any harmful way. but nobody really knows. in any harmful way. but nobody really knows— in any harmful way. but nobody really knows. many people i know who've recently _ really knows. many people i know who've recently been _ really knows. many people i know who've recently been pinged - really knows. many people i know who've recently been pinged by i really knows. many people i know. who've recently been pinged by the act, where they weren't paying the disease, there's definitely frustration and that many people feel as safe now as they have been. i received one or two doses of the vaccine, they can see all the data about hospitalisations and deaths, and the connection with infections being severed essentially. increasing frustration at having to self—isolate at this point in time. i think this reflects a significant public mood saying that this perhaps goes a bit too far at this point in time. i think there will be support for turning back.— for turning back. you're listening to the new _ for turning back. you're listening to the new health _ for turning back. you're listening to the new health minister- for turning back. you're listening to the new health minister this i to the new health minister this week, saying it'll take something pretty dramatic to lift the
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restrictions afterjuly. it’ll pretty dramatic to lift the restrictions after july. restrictions afterjuly. it'll have to be like new _ restrictions afterjuly. it'll have to be like new variants - restrictions afterjuly. it'll have to be like new variants of - restrictions afterjuly. it'll have to be like new variants of the l restrictions afterjuly. it'll have to be like new variants of the d will make a disease that are lethal that the vaccine can protect against. that the vaccine can protect aaainst. ., ., ., , against. front of the telegraph - interesting _ against. front of the telegraph - interesting the _ against. front of the telegraph - interesting the telegraph - against. front of the telegraph - interesting the telegraph is - against. front of the telegraph - i interesting the telegraph is playing this because it's turned what you might think was an inside paste story, the separation, amicable, you're told, of michael gove and his wife into a front page lead him and it's done so by raising questions about whether social distancing rules might�*ve been broken. what are they up to with this piece? yes. rules might've been broken. what are they up to with this piece?— they up to with this piece? yes, i think that what _ they up to with this piece? yes, i think that what they _ they up to with this piece? yes, i think that what they are - they up to with this piece? yes, i think that what they are perhaps| think that what they are perhaps suggesting and hoping for is that with the separation of michael gove and sarah vian announced today, there could have been a breaking of social distancing rules in the period where they were separating
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over the past few years, where was michael gove staying? i think that's what they're trying to perhaps suggest that rules are broken. now number ten don't deny — although they aren't clear in their comments about whether rules have been broken or not — there is a suggested tone to the piece which we will have to see how this plays out. that's what they're going for here, similar to them matt hancock scandal where social distancing rules were broken. that's presumably the misfortune for mr gove and his wife, that this is coming a week after matt hancock announced that he was leaving his wife for the woman who he had been photographed and in the department of health in clear breach of social distancing rules, even though it didn't democrat was considered a resignation matter by matt hancock
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himself. do you think the coves are unlikely to find themselves on the front of the paper tomorrow? i think we don't know _ front of the paper tomorrow? i think we don't know enough _ front of the paper tomorrow? i think we don't know enough about - front of the paper tomorrow? i think we don't know enough about the - we don't know enough about the circumstances behind the separation. certainty— circumstances behind the separation. certainty on _ circumstances behind the separation. certainly on the face of it, they saying — certainly on the face of it, they saying very firmly that they have agrees _ saying very firmly that they have agrees to — saying very firmly that they have agrees to agreed to separate after 27 years _ agrees to agreed to separate after 27 years of marriage, it's amicable, there's— 27 years of marriage, it's amicable, there's nobody else involved. at the moment— there's nobody else involved. at the moment there doesn't seem to be anybody— moment there doesn't seem to be anybody else, but who knows what revelations the weekend papers may come _ revelations the weekend papers may come up _ revelations the weekend papers may come up with? a very interesting column— come up with? a very interesting column by— come up with? a very interesting column by it michael gove's wife about— column by it michael gove's wife about a — column by it michael gove's wife about a week ago in the paper for which _ about a week ago in the paper for which she — about a week ago in the paper for which she writes, saying that when she was— which she writes, saying that when she was talking about the matt hancock — she was talking about the matt hancock affair, saying that climbing the greasy — hancock affair, saying that climbing the greasy pole in westminster actually — the greasy pole in westminster actually changes a person and they require _ actually changes a person and they require something new from a partner. — require something new from a partner, someone who is as much a courtesan— partner, someone who is as much a courtesan as — partner, someone who is as much a courtesan as a companion, she wrote.
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so very— courtesan as a companion, she wrote. so very interesting material on the front of— so very interesting material on the front of the telegraph, and it remains — front of the telegraph, and it remains to be seen what else may come _ remains to be seen what else may come out — remains to be seen what else may come out about it. it�*s remains to be seen what else may come out about it.— come out about it. it's quite harmful for— come out about it. it's quite harmful for a _ come out about it. it's quite harmful for a spouse - come out about it. it's quite harmful for a spouse to - come out about it. it's quitei harmful for a spouse to play come out about it. it's quite - harmful for a spouse to play the role of courtesan, but there we are. i know this is when you've been getting your teeth into, and probably again with the papers coming up, about school bubbles and the consequences of the app and individuals being identified. can you explain how this policy came about and how it actually operates? yes, the bubble policy has been through— yes, the bubble policy has been through a — yes, the bubble policy has been through a lot of criticism in recent days _ through a lot of criticism in recent days. there's about 300,000 children currently— days. there's about 300,000 children currently self isolating at home, only a _ currently self isolating at home, only a small proportion of those children— only a small proportion of those children actually have tested positive _ children actually have tested positive for covid. so the way it works _ positive for covid. so the way it works is. — positive for covid. so the way it works is. if— positive for covid. so the way it works is, if you are in a class and that— works is, if you are in a class and that class— works is, if you are in a class and that class of— works is, if you are in a class and that class of 30 children has been considered to be a bubble by the school. — considered to be a bubble by the school, that if one child tests positive — school, that if one child tests positive for covid in that class,
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then— positive for covid in that class, than the — positive for covid in that class, then the whole class must isolate for ten _ then the whole class must isolate for ten days. now bubbles can be whole _ for ten days. now bubbles can be whole year— for ten days. now bubbles can be whole year groups, it can be 100 people _ whole year groups, it can be 100 people in— whole year groups, it can be 100 people in a — whole year groups, it can be 100 people in a big secondary school — that's— people in a big secondary school — that's why— people in a big secondary school — that's why we have so many children at home _ that's why we have so many children at home and — that's why we have so many children at home and out of school for ten days. _ at home and out of school for ten days. even — at home and out of school for ten days, even though they are perfectly healthy _ days, even though they are perfectly healthy. an lot of criticism has been _ healthy. an lot of criticism has been piled that policy because what critics— been piled that policy because what critics are _ been piled that policy because what critics are saying is that children are missing school, it's very bad for the _ are missing school, it's very bad for the numbed it are missing school, it's very bad forthe numbed it —— are missing school, it's very bad for the numbed it —— for them to be at home _ for the numbed it —— for them to be at home all— for the numbed it —— for them to be at home all the time. there's an awful— at home all the time. there's an awful lot — at home all the time. there's an awful lot of— at home all the time. there's an awful lot of pressure, on gavin williamson to change this policy. so far he _ williamson to change this policy. so far he hasn't changed it. the other problem _ far he hasn't changed it. the other problem with the policy is testing positive _ problem with the policy is testing positive for covid, the way it's supposed _ positive for covid, the way it's supposed to work is that families at homem _ supposed to work is that families at homem we — supposed to work is that families at home... we know that her afloat tests— home... we know that her afloat tests are — home... we know that her afloat tests are not perfect, and we know that about — tests are not perfect, and we know that about 15% of families are actually— that about 15% of families are actually doing the test stash lateral— actually doing the test stash lateral flow system. it's an imperfect system, and the telegraph assaying _ imperfect system, and the telegraph
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assaying the archbishop of york is saying _ assaying the archbishop of york is saying that something really needs to be done to change the system so more _ to be done to change the system so more children can be let back into school~ _ more children can be let back into school~ and — more children can be let back into school. and there are some possibilities about what might be done _ possibilities about what might be done in _ possibilities about what might be done in the autumn, including daily testing _ done in the autumn, including daily testing of— done in the autumn, including daily testing of children as long as they are negative on the daily tests, they— are negative on the daily tests, they can — are negative on the daily tests, they can remain in class.- are negative on the daily tests, they can remain in class. over that mean in practicalities _ they can remain in class. over that mean in practicalities in _ they can remain in class. over that mean in practicalities in the - mean in practicalities in the education system —— what would that mean? i think that's the problem, the detail has not really been revealed. 1&5 the detail has not really been revealed. �* . . the detail has not really been revealed. . , ., , the detail has not really been revealed-— the detail has not really been revealed. , ., revealed. as a result, some of the leaders of — revealed. as a result, some of the leaders of the _ revealed. as a result, some of the leaders of the teaching _ revealed. as a result, some of the leaders of the teaching unions - revealed. as a result, some of the leaders of the teaching unions are | leaders of the teaching unions are alreadyjumping up and down, saying they will not turn their schools in they will not turn their schools in the field hospitals in september with very little notice. they are teachers, not medical attendance. with very little notice. they are teachers, not medicalattendance. so there's an awful lot that doesn't seem to have been decided or, if it has been decided, his not been announced. there's also the
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possibility that children might be jabbed. that decision has been made, some teaching unions think that wouldn't be a good thing and could be the way through to giving children a clear education in the autumn —— would be a good thing. but still an awful lot to be decided here. ,, ., , ., , ., here. quite cautious words from the prime minister _ here. quite cautious words from the prime minister on _ here. quite cautious words from the prime minister on this, _ here. quite cautious words from the prime minister on this, saying - prime minister on this, saying steady as she goes, we will get rid of it but hold on — and yet, a much more upbeat message from sajid javid this week, saying we're going to get rid of it as soon as we possibly can. a lot of this is about tone, after all, can. a lot of this is about tone, afterall, but can. a lot of this is about tone, after all, but do you get a sense from tory mps that this is one of those examples of the covid rules that really is exercising them? i do, and i think it's an issue where so many families are affected, so many ordinary people, obviously there's the effect on education of children, but also the effect on parents, child provocations, but you have children staying at home. mps
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are hearing about it in and boxes from their constituents and that's where this pressure is coming from. so i won't be surprised if this policy changes very soon. onto one ofthe policy changes very soon. onto one of the regional _ policy changes very soon. onto one of the regional papers _ policy changes very soon. onto one of the regional papers we _ policy changes very soon. onto one of the regional papers we get - policy changes very soon. onto one of the regional papers we get in - of the regional papers we get in nice and early, and i have to say the appeal to any of the regional dailies do get your front page tourists, because we are always interested to see what's being said byjournalists interested to see what's being said by journalists around interested to see what's being said byjournalists around the country. it's often the regional papers that give us a completely fresh take on the stories. here's one right in the heart of the yorkshire post's region — you can almost see the relief on kim lead beater�*s face as she hugs a supporter after her win and batley and spen. she was holding a seat for labour, but really by the skin of her teeth. labour, but really by the skin of her teeth-— labour, but really by the skin of her teeth. , . , . ., , labour, but really by the skin of her teeth. , ., . ., , _ her teeth. this was a remarkable by election, her teeth. this was a remarkable by election. and _ her teeth. this was a remarkable by election, and it's _ her teeth. this was a remarkable by election, and it's really _ her teeth. this was a remarkable by election, and it's really a _ her teeth. this was a remarkable by election, and it's really a morale - election, and it's really a morale boosting win for labour and keir starmer, but also for kim as she was supplicant dumb up against...
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