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this is bbc news. the white house says it will release tens of millions of astrazeneca vaccine doses, but it hasn't decided who will get them and it will be weeks before they ship. india needs help urgently. for five straight days, the country has set new daily records for coronavirus, a breeding ground for new variants. but the white house isn't impressed with narendra modi banning tweets that criticise his handling of the pandemic. that certainly wouldn't be aligned with our view of freedom of speech around the world. this week, joe biden will have been in office 100 days. it's a rather random notion, but it's an excuse for new polls. and so far, he's doing 0k. also in the programme —
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the british—iranian woman nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe has been sentenced to another year in jail in tehran after being found guilty of "propaganda" against the regime in iran. we'll speak to her husband in the next 15 minutes. and she was one of the brightest stars on oscar night, picking up a trophy for best supporting actress. youn yuh—jung will be with us later in the programme. hello i'm katty kay in washington. christian fraser is in london. the situation in india is grim. doctors have harrowing accounts of the covid crisis in many cities as the country battles a terrifying wave of new infections. there are more reports of patients dying in the streets with desperate families trying to buy oxygen on the black market as hospitals run out. on monday, india recorded a new global high for daily
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coronavirus cases for a fifth straight day. 353,000 people were infected. despite this, the government says there is no need to panic. 0ur south asia correspondent rajini vaidyanathan reports. in gujarat, it's come to this. a hired van, now a makeshift ambulance. with no doctors available, this man is doing all he can to save his aunt himself. people have been left to fend for themselves as india's health care system crumbles. it's a horror story on repeat. in delhi, this man waits outside this hospital with his relative. "we've been to a few, but they won't admit him," he said. "we're standing here with our oxygen in the middle of the road without any hope." hope is in short supply, but some help is on its way.
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ventilators and oxygen concentrators from the uk government are due to land in delhi tonight. even regional rivals pakistan and china have put aside their differences with india as theyjoin the list of countries pledging help. but it's not nearly enough to meet demand. and in the uk, some doctors are also lending a hand. this doctor from coventry runs a medical charity in india. he's been taking hundreds of calls from patients in rural areas. they're so frightened, because they say my mother is gasping, my mother is not able to breathe. health experts say the peak is weeks away and fear that case numbers could triple. there's a lot of suffering going on in india at the moment. what do your projections say for how long this will continue? there is a lot of suffering. in fact, i think every family is grieving because there's someone in every family who has died.
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the current projections are this will go on for a while longer, probably another three to four weeks before we see a peak and a reversal. i have no idea how the systems will cope. these fires will keep on burning. mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, friends and colleagues. how many more lives will be claimed? and could more have been done to save them? rajini vaidyanathan, bbc news. desperate and another three weeks says to doctor before we see the peak. the us has announced that it will immediately provide raw materials for indian vaccine manufacturers as the country battles its devastating surge in cases. president biden held a telephone call with india's prime minister, narendra modi, pledging steadfast support and said the us would provide a range of emergency assistance, including oxygen—related supplies and therapeutics.
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those are much needed. soon after his conversation, the indian pm tweeted... but the white house hasn't been impressed with narendra modi ordering twitter to remove posts critical of its handling of the virus. the indian government ordered twitter, facebook, instagram to block social media posts criticising the handling of the covid response there. any white house comment on that? iwell, that certainly wouldn't bel aligned with our view of freedom of speech around the world. that from the white house earlier. let's speak now to ro khanna, democratic congressman for california who is the vice chair of the congressional india caucus. thank you very much. in that same
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briefing, confirmed that it does have plans to produce tens of millions of its vaccines which it is not using at the moment. it is still planning those and it cannot release them until after zeneca vaccine has been approved by the fda here in the us. do you think the white house should be moving faster on getting that given the situation there? i’m that given the situation there? i'm leased that given the situation there? i'm pleased with their announcement. several_ pleased with their announcement. several of— pleased with their announcement. several of us _ pleased with their announcement. several of us had _ pleased with their announcement. several of us had called _ pleased with their announcement. several of us had called for- several of us had called for astrazeneca _ several of us had called for astrazeneca to _ several of us had called for astrazeneca to be - several of us had called for astrazeneca to be released several of us had called for- astrazeneca to be released pending several of us had called for— astrazeneca to be released pending a safety _ astrazeneca to be released pending a safety review — astrazeneca to be released pending a safety review and _ astrazeneca to be released pending a safety review and the _ astrazeneca to be released pending a safety review and the president - astrazeneca to be released pending a safety review and the president says. safety review and the president says it needs _ safety review and the president says it needs a _ safety review and the president says it needs a review— safety review and the president says it needs a review as _ safety review and the president says it needs a review as we _ safety review and the president says it needs a review as we get - safety review and the president says it needs a review as we get one - safety review and the president says it needs a review as we get one of. it needs a review as we get one of its and _ it needs a review as we get one of its and something _ it needs a review as we get one of its and something that _ it needs a review as we get one of its and something that would - it needs a review as we get one of its and something that would be l its and something that would be harmful — its and something that would be harmful it — its and something that would be harmful it is _ its and something that would be harmful. it is a _ its and something that would be harmful. it is a constructive - its and something that would be i harmful. it is a constructive step. but the _ harmful. it is a constructive step. but the real— harmful. it is a constructive step. but the real issue _ harmful. it is a constructive step. but the real issue here _ harmful. it is a constructive step. but the real issue here is- harmful. it is a constructive step. but the real issue here is how- harmful. it is a constructive step. j but the real issue here is how are we going — but the real issue here is how are we going to — but the real issue here is how are we going to get _ but the real issue here is how are we going to get 100 _ but the real issue here is how are we going to get 100 countries- but the real issue here is how arei we going to get 100 countries that have not_ we going to get 100 countries that have not had — we going to get 100 countries that have not had much— we going to get 100 countries that have not had much vaccine - have not had much vaccine development _ have not had much vaccine development the - have not had much vaccine i development the technology have not had much vaccine - development the technology to do that. development the technology to do that and — development the technology to do that and this _ development the technology to do that. and this requires _ development the technology to do that. and this requires eight - development the technology to do that. and this requires eight tripsl that. and this requires eight trips waiver— that. and this requires eight trips waiver at — that. and this requires eight trips waiver at the _ that. and this requires eight trips waiver at the wto. _ that. and this requires eight trips waiver at the wto. pfizer - that. and this requires eight trips waiver at the wto. pfizer for - that. and this requires eight trips waiver at the wto. pfizer for myl waiver at the wto. pfizer for my mother— waiver at the wto. pfizer for my mother and _ waiver at the wto. pfizer for my mother and a _ waiver at the wto. pfizer for my mother and a should _ waiver at the wto. pfizer for my mother and a should be - waiver at the wto. pfizer for my| mother and a should be required waiver at the wto. pfizer for my. mother and a should be required to iicehce _ mother and a should be required to
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iicehce their— mother and a should be required to licence their vaccine _ mother and a should be required to licence their vaccine to _ mother and a should be required to licence their vaccine to other- licence their vaccine to other countries _ licence their vaccine to other countries they— licence their vaccine to other countries they can _ licence their vaccine to other countries they can develop l countries they can develop manufacturing _ countries they can develop manufacturing to - countries they can developj manufacturing to vaccinate countries they can develop - manufacturing to vaccinate their populatioh _ manufacturing to vaccinate their population. and _ manufacturing to vaccinate their population. and that's - manufacturing to vaccinate their population. and that's really- manufacturing to vaccinate their. population. and that's really what we ought — population. and that's really what we ought to— population. and that's really what we ought to be _ population. and that's really what we ought to be pushing _ population. and that's really what we ought to be pushing for. - population. and that's really what we ought to be pushing for. fill. population. and that's really what we ought to be pushing for. fillofj we ought to be pushing for. all of that is going _ we ought to be pushing for. all of that is going to — we ought to be pushing for. all of that is going to take _ we ought to be pushing for. all of that is going to take time. - we ought to be pushing for. all of that is going to take time. even i that is going to take time. even going to the wto or getting fda approvalfor the vaccine going to the wto or getting fda approval for the vaccine here going to the wto or getting fda approvalfor the vaccine here in going to the wto or getting fda approval for the vaccine here in the us. india clearly needs help right now. today, not in a few weeks' time. ~ . time. well, we are giving the critical supplies. _ time. well, we are giving the critical supplies. the - time. well, we are giving the l critical supplies. the president time. well, we are giving the - critical supplies. the president has said that _ critical supplies. the president has said that we — critical supplies. the president has said that we are _ critical supplies. the president has said that we are going _ critical supplies. the president has said that we are going to— critical supplies. the president has said that we are going to provide l said that we are going to provide oxygen. — said that we are going to provide oxygen. we _ said that we are going to provide oxygen. we are _ said that we are going to provide oxygen, we are going _ said that we are going to provide oxygen, we are going to - said that we are going to provide oxygen, we are going to provide| said that we are going to provide - oxygen, we are going to provide ppe. i oxygen, we are going to provide ppe. itaiked _ oxygen, we are going to provide ppe. itaiked to— oxygen, we are going to provide ppe. i talked to governor— oxygen, we are going to provide ppe. i talked to governor gavin _ oxygen, we are going to provide ppe. i talked to governor gavin newsom . oxygen, we are going to provide ppe.j i talked to governor gavin newsom of california _ i talked to governor gavin newsom of california and — i talked to governor gavin newsom of california and california _ i talked to governor gavin newsom of california and california is _ california and california is providing _ california and california is providing that _ california and california is providing that and - california and california is providing that and let - california and california is providing that and let the | california and california is - providing that and let the abyss have _ providing that and let the abyss have also — providing that and let the abyss have also applied _ providing that and let the abyss have also applied for _ providing that and let the abyss have also applied for large - providing that and let the abyss - have also applied for large amounts of resources — have also applied for large amounts of resources for— have also applied for large amounts of resources for any _ have also applied for large amounts of resources for any hospital- have also applied for large amounts of resources for any hospital that i of resources for any hospital that needs— of resources for any hospital that needs those _ of resources for any hospital that needs those supplies _ of resources for any hospital that needs those supplies and - of resources for any hospital that needs those supplies and under. needs those supplies and under indian—american— needs those supplies and under indian—american tech— needs those supplies and under - indian—american tech entrepreneurs and silicon— indian—american tech entrepreneurs and silicon valley _ indian—american tech entrepreneurs and silicon valley leaders _ indian—american tech entrepreneurs and silicon valley leaders are - and silicon valley leaders are stepping _ and silicon valley leaders are stepping up— and silicon valley leaders are stepping up to _ and silicon valley leaders are stepping up to also _ and silicon valley leaders are stepping up to also do - and silicon valley leaders are stepping up to also do that. i and silicon valley leaders are . stepping up to also do that. but what _ stepping up to also do that. but what we — stepping up to also do that. but what we can— stepping up to also do that. but what we can do _ stepping up to also do that. but what we can do in— stepping up to also do that. but what we can do in the _ stepping up to also do that. butl what we can do in the immediate term, _ what we can do in the immediate term, and— what we can do in the immediate term, and i— what we can do in the immediate term, and i have _ what we can do in the immediate term, and i have urged _ what we can do in the immediate term, and i have urged the - term, and i have urged the administration _ term, and i have urged the administration to— term, and i have urged the administration to talk- term, and i have urged the administration to talk to i term, and i have urged thel administration to talk to the term, and i have urged the - administration to talk to the pfizer ceo, _ administration to talk to the pfizer ceo. the _ administration to talk to the pfizer ceo, the modernity— administration to talk to the pfizer cso, the modernity cso _ administration to talk to the pfizer ceo, the modernity ceo is - administration to talk to the pfizer ceo, the modernity ceo is to- administration to talk to the pfizer. ceo, the modernity ceo is to licence that technology _ ceo, the modernity ceo is to licence that technology full— ceo, the modernity ceo is to licence that technology full so _ ceo, the modernity ceo is to licence that technology full so they-
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ceo, the modernity ceo is to licence that technology full so they don't - that technology full so they don't have to _ that technology full so they don't have to wait _ that technology full so they don't have to wait for _ that technology full so they don't have to wait for the _ that technology full so they don't have to wait for the wellhead - have to wait for the wellhead organisation _ have to wait for the wellhead organisation. it— have to wait for the wellhead organisation. it would - have to wait for the wellhead organisation. it would a - have to wait for the wellhead organisation. it would a hugej have to wait for the wellhead - organisation. it would a huge market opportunity— organisation. it would a huge market opportunity for— organisation. it would a huge market opportunity for them _ organisation. it would a huge market opportunity for them in _ organisation. it would a huge market opportunity for them in the - organisation. it would a huge market opportunity for them in the long - organisation. it would a huge market opportunity for them in the long runl opportunity for them in the long run and it's— opportunity for them in the long run and it's the — opportunity for them in the long run and it's the right _ opportunity for them in the long run and it's the right thing _ opportunity for them in the long run and it's the right thing to _ opportunity for them in the long run and it's the right thing to do - opportunity for them in the long run and it's the right thing to do to - and it's the right thing to do to licence — and it's the right thing to do to licence at _ and it's the right thing to do to licence at technology- and it's the right thing to do to licence at technology and - and it's the right thing to do to licence at technology and we . and it's the right thing to do to - licence at technology and we ought to help _ licence at technology and we ought to help manufacturing _ licence at technology and we ought to help manufacturing of— licence at technology and we ought to help manufacturing of that - to help manufacturing of that vaccine — to help manufacturing of that vaccine in _ to help manufacturing of that vaccine in places— to help manufacturing of that vaccine in places like - to help manufacturing of that vaccine in places like india. . vaccine in places like india. because _ vaccine in places like india. because we _ vaccine in places like india. because we were _ vaccine in places like india. because we were assured i vaccine in places like india. i because we were assured that vaccine in places like india. - because we were assured that profit would come second, they were all in this together. and of course there is a strategic interest here for the us if this continues to spiral out of control, then the variants that come back could be the —— beat the vaccine we are all using. he come back could be the -- beat the vaccine we are all using.— vaccine we are all using. he said that very eloquently _ vaccine we are all using. he said that very eloquently in _ vaccine we are all using. he said that very eloquently in one - that very eloquently in one sentence _ that very eloquently in one sentence. this _ that very eloquently in one sentence. this is _ that very eloquently in one sentence. this is a - that very eloquently in one sentence. this is a race - that very eloquently in one - sentence. this is a race against those _ sentence. this is a race against those variants. _ sentence. this is a race against those variants, and _ sentence. this is a race against those variants, and if _ sentence. this is a race against those variants, and if you're . sentence. this is a race against. those variants, and if you're going to have _ those variants, and if you're going to have hundreds— those variants, and if you're going to have hundreds of— those variants, and if you're going to have hundreds of thousands - those variants, and if you're going to have hundreds of thousands ofl to have hundreds of thousands of concentrated _ to have hundreds of thousands of concentrated cases _ to have hundreds of thousands of concentrated cases in— to have hundreds of thousands ofj concentrated cases in geography, whether— concentrated cases in geography, whether it's — concentrated cases in geography, whether it's india _ concentrated cases in geography, whether it's india or— concentrated cases in geography, whether it's india or whether- concentrated cases in geography, whether it's india or whether it'si whether it's india or whether it's brazil. _ whether it's india or whether it's brazil. just — whether it's india or whether it's brazil, just increases _ whether it's india or whether it's brazil, just increases the - whether it's india or whether it's brazil, just increases the odds . whether it's india or whether it's . brazil, just increases the odds that a mutation — brazil, just increases the odds that a mutation will— brazil, just increases the odds that a mutation will take _ brazil, just increases the odds that a mutation will take place - brazil, just increases the odds that a mutation will take place that - a mutation will take place that defeats — a mutation will take place that defeats the _ a mutation will take place that defeats the vaccine _ a mutation will take place that defeats the vaccine and - a mutation will take place that defeats the vaccine and then l a mutation will take place that i defeats the vaccine and then we a mutation will take place that - defeats the vaccine and then we are almost _ defeats the vaccine and then we are almost back— defeats the vaccine and then we are almost back to _ defeats the vaccine and then we are almost back to square _ defeats the vaccine and then we are almost back to square zero. - defeats the vaccine and then we are almost back to square zero. and - defeats the vaccine and then we are almost back to square zero. and so| almost back to square zero. and so it is in— almost back to square zero. and so it is in all— almost back to square zero. and so it is in all of— almost back to square zero. and so it is in all of our— almost back to square zero. and so it is in all of our interest _ almost back to square zero. and so it is in all of our interest to - it is in all of our interest to prevent— it is in all of our interest to prevent that, _ it is in all of our interest to prevent that, and - it is in all of our interest to prevent that, and here - it is in all of our interest to prevent that, and here is. it is in all of our interest to l prevent that, and here is the it is in all of our interest to - prevent that, and here is the point.
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the us— prevent that, and here is the point. the us government _ prevent that, and here is the point. the us government spent - prevent that, and here is the point. the us government spent $2 - prevent that, and here is the point. l the us government spent $2 million to guarantee — the us government spent $2 million to guarantee pfizer— the us government spent $2 million to guarantee pfizer the _ the us government spent $2 million to guarantee pfizer the purchase - the us government spent $2 million to guarantee pfizer the purchase of. to guarantee pfizer the purchase of those _ to guarantee pfizer the purchase of those vaccines _ to guarantee pfizer the purchase of those vaccines and _ to guarantee pfizer the purchase of those vaccines and we _ to guarantee pfizer the purchase of those vaccines and we gave - to guarantee pfizer the purchase of. those vaccines and we gave moderna the technology— those vaccines and we gave moderna the technology through _ those vaccines and we gave moderna the technology through the - those vaccines and we gave moderna the technology through the nationall the technology through the national institute _ the technology through the national institute of— the technology through the national institute of health _ the technology through the national institute of health so _ the technology through the national institute of health so the _ the technology through the national institute of health so the least - institute of health so the least they could _ institute of health so the least they could do _ institute of health so the least they could do is _ institute of health so the least they could do is give _ institute of health so the least they could do is give a - institute of health so the least they could do is give a licencel institute of health so the least l they could do is give a licence to other— they could do is give a licence to other countries— they could do is give a licence to other countries to _ they could do is give a licence to other countries to allow - they could do is give a licence to other countries to allow for - they could do is give a licence to other countries to allow for the i other countries to allow for the manufacturing. _ other countries to allow for the manufacturing. they _ other countries to allow for the manufacturing. they will- other countries to allow for the manufacturing. they will still. other countries to allow for the i manufacturing. they will still get paid _ manufacturing. they will still get paid but — manufacturing. they will still get paid. but they— manufacturing. they will still get paid. but they are _ manufacturing. they will still get paid. but they are right - manufacturing. they will still get paid. but they are right now - manufacturing. they will still get paid. but they are right now notl paid. but they are right now not allowing — paid. but they are right now not allowing to _ paid. but they are right now not allowing to have _ paid. but they are right now not allowing to have happen - paid. but they are right now not allowing to have happen is - paid. but they are right now not allowing to have happen is to. paid. but they are right now not. allowing to have happen is to have domestic— allowing to have happen is to have domestic manufacturers _ allowing to have happen is to have domestic manufacturers take - allowing to have happen is to have domestic manufacturers take theirj domestic manufacturers take their technology— domestic manufacturers take their technology and _ domestic manufacturers take their technology and manufacture - domestic manufacturers take their technology and manufacture it. i domestic manufacturers take their. technology and manufacture it. and we have _ technology and manufacture it. and we have to — technology and manufacture it. and we have to require _ technology and manufacture it. and we have to require that _ technology and manufacture it. and we have to require that licensing. . we have to require that licensing. there _ we have to require that licensing. there has— we have to require that licensing. there has been— we have to require that licensing. there has been criticism - we have to require that licensing. there has been criticism as - we have to require that licensing. there has been criticism as you . we have to require that licensing. . there has been criticism as you just heard from the press secretary there that the indian government has forced twitter to take down some of the tweets that were critical of his performance. of course we are in election season in india at the moment and the prime minister still holding rallies, still gathering his supporters together. what do you make of his performance? i supporters together. what do you make of his performance?- supporters together. what do you make of his performance? i hope that jack dorse make of his performance? i hope that jack dorsey and _ make of his performance? i hope that jack dorsey and mark _ make of his performance? i hope that jack dorsey and mark took _ make of his performance? i hope that jack dorsey and mark took a - make of his performance? i hope that jack dorsey and mark took a defy - make of his performance? i hope that jack dorsey and mark took a defy the | jack dorsey and mark took a defy the indian _ jack dorsey and mark took a defy the indian government. _ jack dorsey and mark took a defy the indian government. give _ jack dorsey and mark took a defy the indian government. give me - jack dorsey and mark took a defy the indian government. give me a - jack dorsey and mark took a defy the | indian government. give me a break. no one _ indian government. give me a break. no one can _ indian government. give me a break. no one can be — indian government. give me a break. no one can be suppressing _ indian government. give me a break. no one can be suppressing speech. indian government. give me a break. j no one can be suppressing speech on the internet _ no one can be suppressing speech on the internet unless _ no one can be suppressing speech on the internet unless it _ no one can be suppressing speech on the internet unless it is _ no one can be suppressing speech on the internet unless it is speech- the internet unless it is speech that is— the internet unless it is speech that is actually— the internet unless it is speech that is actually inciting - the internet unless it is speechj that is actually inciting violence or speech — that is actually inciting violence or speech that _ that is actually inciting violence or speech that is _ that is actually inciting violence or speech that is in _ that is actually inciting violence or speech that is in some - that is actually inciting violence
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or speech that is in some way. or speech that is in some way encouraging _ or speech that is in some way encouraging illegal— or speech that is in some way encouraging illegal conduct. i or speech that is in some way. encouraging illegal conduct. but or speech that is in some way- encouraging illegal conduct. but to criticise~~~ — encouraging illegal conduct. but to criticise... every— encouraging illegal conduct. but to criticise... every other— encouraging illegal conduct. but to criticise... every other tweet - encouraging illegal conduct. but to criticise... every other tweet is - criticise... every other tweet is criticising — criticise... every other tweet is criticising me _ criticise... every other tweet is criticising me and _ criticise... every other tweet is criticising me and that - criticise... every other tweet is criticising me and that is- criticise... every other tweet is criticising me and that is part l criticise... every other tweet isi criticising me and that is part of treing _ criticising me and that is part of treing in— criticising me and that is part of treing in a — criticising me and that is part of being in a democracy. - criticising me and that is part of being in a democracy. the - criticising me and that is part of being in a democracy. the ideal criticising me and that is part of- being in a democracy. the idea that you would _ being in a democracy. the idea that you would want _ being in a democracy. the idea that you would want to _ being in a democracy. the idea that you would want to squelch - being in a democracy. the idea that you would want to squelch dissent i being in a democracy. the idea thati you would want to squelch dissent is antithetical— you would want to squelch dissent is antithetical to — you would want to squelch dissent is antithetical to democracy _ you would want to squelch dissent is antithetical to democracy in - you would want to squelch dissent is antithetical to democracy in which i you would want to squelch dissent is antithetical to democracy in which a i antithetical to democracy in which a liberal— antithetical to democracy in which a liberal democracy— antithetical to democracy in which a liberal democracy and _ antithetical to democracy in which a liberal democracy and the _ antithetical to democracy in which a | liberal democracy and the principles frankly— liberal democracy and the principles franklv that — liberal democracy and the principles frankly that gandhi _ liberal democracy and the principles frankly that gandhi and _ liberal democracy and the principles frankly that gandhi and nehru - liberal democracy and the principles frankly that gandhi and nehru in- liberal democracy and the principlesj frankly that gandhi and nehru in the indian _ frankly that gandhi and nehru in the indian constitution _ frankly that gandhi and nehru in the indian constitution stood _ frankly that gandhi and nehru in the indian constitution stood for. - frankly that gandhi and nehru in the indian constitution stood for. ok, i indian constitution stood for. 0k, thank ou indian constitution stood for. 0k, thank you very — indian constitution stood for. thank you very much forjoining indian constitution stood for.“ thank you very much forjoining the programme. thank you very much for “oining the programme.— thank you very much forjoining the programme-_ l- thank you very much forjoining the programme._ i read - thank you very much forjoining the l programme._ i read today programme. thank you. i read today that if ou programme. thank you. i read today that if you would _ programme. thank you. i read today that if you would collected _ programme. thank you. i read today that if you would collected all - programme. thank you. i read today that if you would collected all the . that if you would collected all the vaccines that have been administered so far throughout the world and you had just given them to the indians, a billion vaccines so far, you would still have 400,000 indians waiting for a vaccine. it is such an enormous challenge in india. and, yes, it is a younger population so obviously you target older people but all those people you have got to get vaccinated, you cannotjust do it with astrazeneca as a congressman
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says. it with astrazeneca as a congressman sa s. r , ., ., , says. and the thing is india has the factories in — says. and the thing is india has the factories in the _ says. and the thing is india has the factories in the capacity _ says. and the thing is india has the factories in the capacity to - says. and the thing is india has the factories in the capacity to make i says. and the thing is india has the factories in the capacity to make it| factories in the capacity to make it there but they do need the licensing and they could start that immediately. nothing with them have to wait for fda approval. saying that russia will start supplying sputnik vaccines to india, so other countries art stepping into moving a little bit faster than the us is on this. we have come full circle on this programme. loyal viewers will recall we first set out to track donald trump's first 100 days in office when we originally came on air. did we? yep, that was a long time auo. four years on, we're still here, but this time we are assessing joe biden's performance. the latest approval ratings suggest he's keeping himself just above water. 52% of adults say he's doing a good job. while not at the bottom of the table, his overall ratings only surpass those of donald trump and gerald ford. but then mr biden presides over a country that is deeply polarised. and when you drill down into those numbers, that headline doesn't quite tell us the full picture.
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a new washington post survey found that 64% of adults gave him the thumbs—up for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic. the $2 trillion coronavirus relief package launched in response also received strong public support. 65% back the plan. however, 53% say they disapprove of his handling of the migrant situation at the us—mexico border. that could bring the overall numbers down. let's bring in republican congresswoman from new york, claudia tenney. she's in orlando, florida. thank you very much forjoining us from the republican party conference thatis from the republican party conference that is taking place down there. let me just start by asking you about those approval ratings of the elements of whatjoe biden is doing at the moment. particularly the covid—i9 relief package and now the infrastructure bill which seemed to have brought support even amongst some republicans. wonder whether
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donald trump kind of geared republican voters up for more government debt during his term in office and that is actually helping paradoxicallyjoe biden at the moment. i paradoxically joe biden at the moment. ~ . paradoxically joe biden at the moment. ,, ., ., ., , ., , paradoxically joe biden at the moment. «a, ., ., , ., moment. i think a lot of this has to do with the — moment. i think a lot of this has to do with the media _ moment. i think a lot of this has to do with the media although - moment. i think a lot of this has to do with the media although a - moment. i think a lot of this has to do with the media although a lot i moment. i think a lot of this has to do with the media although a lot of us look— do with the media although a lot of us look for— do with the media although a lot of us look for infrastructure particularly in states like i represent, new york, and original colony— represent, new york, and original colonv that— represent, new york, and original colony that has tremendous needs in terms _ colony that has tremendous needs in terms of— colony that has tremendous needs in terms of infrastructure. so i like infrastructure but most of the for structure — infrastructure but most of the for structure built really focuses on him amending the green new deal and really— him amending the green new deal and really i _ him amending the green new deal and really i think it is not even focus on what — really i think it is not even focus on what we _ really i think it is not even focus on what we think of as traditional infrastructure. building roads and trridges _ infrastructure. building roads and bridges and things that we need in our communities. and on the cover 19 relief— our communities. and on the cover 19 relief package, 25% went to covid—19 her lip _ relief package, 25% went to covid—19 her lip of— relief package, 25% went to covid—19 her lip of the media did a greatjob of selling _ her lip of the media did a greatjob of selling joe biden's message for him and _ of selling joe biden's message for him and he does a good job of taking credits _ him and he does a good job of taking credits for— him and he does a good job of taking credits for the —— coming up with the vaccines _ credits for the —— coming up with the vaccines and a lot of other issues — the vaccines and a lot of other issues i— the vaccines and a lot of other issues. i like a lot of polling has to do— issues. i like a lot of polling has to do with — issues. i like a lot of polling has to do with the media and i think there _ to do with the media and i think there is— to do with the media and i think there is a — to do with the media and i think there is a lot more that needs to
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come _ there is a lot more that needs to come out — there is a lot more that needs to come out but i do think that his handling — come out but i do think that his handling of the border has been a disaster — handling of the border has been a disaster i— handling of the border has been a disaster. i have been in the southern _ disaster. i have been in the southern border in the el paso sector— southern border in the el paso sector and _ southern border in the el paso sector and i have spoken directly with border agents and i have toward a child _ with border agents and i have toward a child facility where they are treing — a child facility where they are being retained for supposedly 72 days but — being retained for supposedly 72 days but they are there much longer. so i days but they are there much longer. so i think— days but they are there much longer. so i think that is his biggest downfall at this point, along with proposing the doubling the capital gains _ proposing the doubling the capital gains tax — proposing the doubling the capital gains tax which is going to hurt middle—class voters as well as other voters _ middle—class voters as well as other voters sow — middle-class voters as well as other voters- som— voters. so... and those posts clearly reflect _ voters. so... and those posts clearly reflect that _ voters. so... and those posts clearly reflect that both - voters. so... and those posts i clearly reflect that both relatives and democrats approve of the situation on the border. in some sense, the republican party down there were you were at, the conference in orlando, talking a lot about unity for the party. but how possible is it for the party going forward to have unity when there is clearly very strong division at the top of the party on the role of donald trump and i think in
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particular of liz cheney and what she has been saying about mr trump. she has an individual and has a right— she has an individual and has a right to — she has an individual and has a right to your own opinion as to all of us _ right to your own opinion as to all of us as— right to your own opinion as to all of us as delegates. i do think there are~~~ _ of us as delegates. i do think there are... ,, , ., of us as delegates. i do think there are... ,, ,., , of us as delegates. i do think there are... ,, ,., i, ., are... she is a very senior individual _ are... she is a very senior individual in _ are... she is a very senior individual in the _ are... she is a very senior individual in the party. - are... she is a very senior| individual in the party. she are... she is a very senior. individual in the party. she is doinu individual in the party. she is doing administered _ individual in the party. she is doing administered his - individual in the party. she is doing administered his role l individual in the party. she is| doing administered his role in leadership that does not mean we cannot— leadership that does not mean we cannot have our own opinions and i don't _ cannot have our own opinions and i don't think— cannot have our own opinions and i don't think even if you spoke to her she would — don't think even if you spoke to her she would have all bad things to say about— she would have all bad things to say about president trump, especially in terms _ about president trump, especially in terms of— about president trump, especially in terms of a _ about president trump, especially in terms of a lot of his accomplishments on the economy when he was _ accomplishments on the economy when he was president. so one of the triggest — he was president. so one of the biggest issues that i think we talked — biggest issues that i think we talked about and i came up break—out session— talked about and i came up break—out session talking about china and the effect _ session talking about china and the effect of— session talking about china and the effect of the chinese communist party— effect of the chinese communist party and — effect of the chinese communist party and their initiative to try and take — party and their initiative to try and take overand party and their initiative to try and take over and dominate the world in terms _ and take over and dominate the world in terms of— and take over and dominate the world in terms of the economy and everything else. i think that something where we are trying to find places to unite and also as republican i have been working with some _ republican i have been working with some of— republican i have been working with some of my most liberal members in terms _ some of my most liberal members in terms in _ some of my most liberal members in terms in a _ some of my most liberal members in terms in a recentlyjust put a resolution— terms in a recentlyjust put a resolution on the terrible situation
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happening in the mr, otherwise known as burma _ happening in the mr, otherwise known as burma. with walking castro, one of the _ as burma. with walking castro, one of the more — as burma. with walking castro, one of the more far left members, but finding _ of the more far left members, but finding common ground with people is really what _ finding common ground with people is really what we are trying to do in congress — really what we are trying to do in congress and is how we are going to move _ congress and is how we are going to move forward and we must do that, we must unifv _ move forward and we must do that, we must uni . , ., _ ., must unify. interesting to say that with nomogram — must unify. interesting to say that with nomogram because - must unify. interesting to say that with nomogram because i'm - must unify. interesting to say that with nomogram because i'm sure | must unify. interesting to say that i with nomogram because i'm sure joe with nomogram because i'm surejoe biden... jae with nomogram because i'm sure joe biden... , ., �* with nomogram because i'm sure joe biden... �* ~ . a ., biden. .. joe biden mitch mcconnell don't agree — biden. .. joe biden mitch mcconnell don't agree on _ biden. .. joe biden mitch mcconnell don't agree on an _ biden. .. joe biden mitch mcconnell don't agree on an awful— biden. .. joe biden mitch mcconnell don't agree on an awful lot - biden. .. joe biden mitch mcconnell don't agree on an awful lot at - biden. .. joe biden mitch mcconnell don't agree on an awful lot at the l don't agree on an awful lot at the moment but on this issue of myanmar they do see eye to eye. what can they do see eye to eye. what can they do see eye to eye. what can they do in a bipartisan way to make a difference? the they do in a bipartisan way to make a difference?— a difference? the can certainly 'oin imlement a difference? the can certainly 'oin implement the fi a difference? the can certainly 'oin implement the arms i a difference? the can certainly 'oin implement the arms and i a difference? the can certainly join implement the arms and military l implement the arms and military embargo — implement the arms and military embargo that ijust introduced with representative castro that would prevent — representative castro that would prevent china and russia and other countries _ prevent china and russia and other countries from supplying the military— countries from supplying the militaryjunta that is going on after— militaryjunta that is going on after the _ militaryjunta that is going on after the violent coup that took over— after the violent coup that took over the — after the violent coup that took over the democratically elected leadership in burma on february the 1st. leadership in burma on february the 1st 0ver— leadership in burma on february the
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1st. 0ver750,000 —— leadership in burma on february the ist. 0ver750,000 -- 3900 leadership in burma on february the 1st. over 750,000 —— 3900 people are retained _ 1st. over 750,000 —— 3900 people are retained in— 1st. over 750,000 —— 3900 people are retained in almost 75 —— 7500 —— 750 people _ retained in almost 75 —— 7500 —— 750 people and _ retained in almost 75 —— 7500 —— 750 people and we — retained in almost 75 —— 7500 —— 750 people and we still have the winner of the _ people and we still have the winner of the election being held in exile and we _ of the election being held in exile and we have recently on meeting in jakarta _ and we have recently on meeting in jakarta where the representative was not allowed to be present nor were there _ not allowed to be present nor were there any— not allowed to be present nor were there any representatives for think we can— there any representatives for think we can all— there any representatives for think we can all get together on this issues — we can all get together on this issues i — we can all get together on this issues i think that is the beginning of conversations as of the more that we speak— of conversations as of the more that we speak together, the more a chance we speak together, the more a chance we will— we speak together, the more a chance we will have _ we speak together, the more a chance we will have to work together. there is common— we will have to work together. there is common ground regardless of which i'll is common ground regardless of which i'll vou're _ is common ground regardless of which i'llvou're on— is common ground regardless of which i'llyou're on and is common ground regardless of which i'll you're on and when i served in my last _ i'll you're on and when i served in my last term _ i'll you're on and when i served in my last term in congress, we were in the majority— my last term in congress, we were in the majority and every bill that i put out — the majority and every bill that i put out was bipartisan and i for democrats are much more willing to work with— democrats are much more willing to work with us back then when we were in charge _ work with us back then when we were in charge and we had leadership and nancy— in charge and we had leadership and nancy pelosi was not there. sol think— nancy pelosi was not there. sol think nancy pelosi when she completes this term and hopefully will retire, i think you will see democrats possibly coming together and seeing more of the centre centre—right coming together and working _ centre—right coming together and working for the country.
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centre-right coming together and working for the country.— centre-right coming together and working for the country. that's an im ortant working for the country. that's an important issue _ working for the country. that's an important issue and _ working for the country. that's an important issue and interesting i working for the country. that's an i important issue and interesting how it drifts off the news agenda is a focus on coronavirus but very serious in myanmar and good to talk to you about it. thank you very much. ., ~ to you about it. thank you very much. ., ,, i. to you about it. thank you very much. ., ,, . for those watching on bbc world news, we'll be right back. sources have told the bbc the prime minister said he would rather see "bodies pile high than take the country into a third lockdown. the government was criticised for delaying a second lockdown last autumn, during which tens of thousands more people died. labour say borisjohnson has degraded his office. he denied making the remarks when asked today. no, but, again, ithink the important thing, i think, that people want us to get on and do as a government is to make sure that the lockdowns work. and they have and i really pay
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tribute to the people of this country, this whole country, they have really pulled together and working with the vaccination programme, we have the disease under control. the numbers of deaths and hospitalisations are currently very low. it is not mean that we have got it totally licked. it does not mean that covid—19 is over. nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe, the british—iranian woman who has spent five years jailed in tehran, has been tried and sentenced again to another year in prison. the court said she was guilty of "propaganda" against the regime. nazanin was firstjailed in 2016 and of course has strenouusly denied any spying charges levelled against her. the charity worker was first jailed in 2016, but she was moved out of prison last year and held under house arrest in tehran due to the coronavirus crisis, where she served the remainder
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of her first sentence. richard ratcliffe is nazanin's husband and has been campaigning tirelessly for nazanin's release for more than five years, including his own hunger strike outside the iranian embassy. hejoins us now from north london. i'm really sorry. it must be really difficult at times like this to keep going. when did you get a sense that she would not be coming home? thank ou, she would not be coming home? thank you. christian- — she would not be coming home? thank you, christian. we _ she would not be coming home? thank you, christian. we get _ she would not be coming home? thank you, christian. we get the _ she would not be coming home? thank you, christian. we get the phone call this— you, christian. we get the phone call this morning from nazanin. she had been _ call this morning from nazanin. she had been phoned by her lawyer to say he had _ had been phoned by her lawyer to say he had been summoned and the judge had given— he had been summoned and the judge had given the verdict. and as you say, _ had given the verdict. and as you say, nazanin finished her previous and it's— say, nazanin finished her previous and it's back in march and before she was— and it's back in march and before she was let — and it's back in march and before she was let go, she was given a new court _ she was let go, she was given a new court date _ she was let go, she was given a new court date for this next one and we had that— court date for this next one and we had that back in march as well and it's treen— had that back in march as well and it's been hanging for a while. i think— it's been hanging for a while. i think i— it's been hanging for a while. i think i thought as time went on the verdict _ think i thought as time went on the verdict was — think i thought as time went on the verdict was post to be seven days and 40 _ verdict was post to be seven days and 40 days later we had not had
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one, _ and 40 days later we had not had one. i_ and 40 days later we had not had one, i thought something bad was going _ one, i thought something bad was going to _ one, i thought something bad was going to happen and in fact last week— going to happen and in fact last week i— going to happen and in fact last week i meeting with the ford office where _ week i meeting with the ford office where i_ week i meeting with the ford office where i think summing is going to happen— where i think summing is going to happen this bad. but it still came trigger— happen this bad. but it still came bigger and it is hard when it came. the timing— bigger and it is hard when it came. the timing is interesting because i know last monday there was supposed to be a high court hearing to discuss this £400 million debt that the uk government owes to iran for tanks that were bought during the time of the shop just before he fell. and that has never been resolved because of the sanctions. and for some reason on monday that court case was postponed again and here we are a week later with a new sentence. ., ., .,. , ., sentence. you are exactly right and is robabl sentence. you are exactly right and is probably what — sentence. you are exactly right and is probably what i _ sentence. you are exactly right and is probably what i was _ sentence. you are exactly right and is probably what i was a _ sentence. you are exactly right and is probably what i was a cross - sentence. you are exactly right and is probably what i was a cross of i is probably what i was a cross of the government last week when i met with them _ the government last week when i met with them. we get notified the court hearing _ with them. we get notified the court hearing was postponed it was supposed to be on tuesday. the last week— supposed to be on tuesday. the last week and _ supposed to be on tuesday. the last week and now last time that court hearing _ week and now last time that court hearing had been deemed to be back in the _ hearing had been deemed to be back in the autumn and when it got postponed then, nazanin got taken into court— postponed then, nazanin got taken into court and here we have this sentence — into court and here we have this sentence that followed. for five
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years. _ sentence that followed. for five years, every time something has happened — years, every time something has happened or not happened in that court _ happened or not happened in that court case, — happened or not happened in that court case, we've have the consequences of it. one of the things— consequences of it. one of the things of— consequences of it. one of the things of talking to the british government behind closed doors was to asked _ government behind closed doors was to asked him why did they agree to this and _ to asked him why did they agree to this and what assurances had they had from — this and what assurances had they had from the iranian authorities is something — had from the iranian authorities is something that was not going to happen— something that was not going to happen to us and they did not said they had _ happen to us and they did not said they had any assurances and they will not _ they had any assurances and they will not be — they had any assurances and they will not be and it turns out we got some _ will not be and it turns out we got some bad — will not be and it turns out we got some bad news.— some bad news. nazanin's been recently released _ some bad news. nazanin's been recently released from - some bad news. nazanin's been recently released from prison i recently released from prison because of covenant in her and her family's house in tehran. do you know where she will have to serve at this news and herfamily�*s house in tehran. d0 this news and her family's house in tehran. ,, this news and her family's house in tehran. i. ,, ., , tehran. do you know where she will have to serve _ tehran. do you know where she will have to serve at _ tehran. do you know where she will have to serve at this _ tehran. do you know where she will have to serve at this new _ tehran. do you know where she will| have to serve at this new sentence? no and _ have to serve at this new sentence? no and if— have to serve at this new sentence? no and if that she has not been summoned to prison yet. interestingly, so as you say she got released _ interestingly, so as you say she got released last year under house arrest — released last year under house arrest and _ released last year under house arrest and spent a year under house arrest _ arrest and spent a year under house arrest and _ arrest and spent a year under house arrest and actually with her since finished — arrest and actually with her since finished they took off the ankle tag and she _ finished they took off the ankle tag and she was allowed to go to court. so we _ and she was allowed to go to court. so we have — and she was allowed to go to court. so we have not actually had and she is at her— so we have not actually had and she is at her mum's and dad's as we speak— is at her mum's and dad's as we speak but— is at her mum's and dad's as we speak but no date for summons. she is putting _
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speak but no date for summons. she is putting in— speak but no date for summons. she is putting in an appeal through her lawyer— is putting in an appeal through her lawyer of— is putting in an appeal through her lawyer of the verdict so it may well have been— lawyer of the verdict so it may well have been that they keep her out until that — have been that they keep her out until that appeal is held. but the jeopardy— until that appeal is held. but the jeopardy if it remains obviously. and presumably if this is because of the debt that the uk owes over these tanks, at some level, there's always going to be a reason that the iranian government can find it, right? nothing to do with her situation, is to do with the geopolitics and that must i imagine leave you feeling rather helpless. it is certainly a hard place to be and you — it is certainly a hard place to be and you are right. if they can invent— and you are right. if they can invent two— and you are right. if they can invent two court cases have can invent _ invent two court cases have can invent another one if we get to the end and _ invent another one if we get to the end and it's — invent another one if we get to the end and it's a fact it's a year of sentence — end and it's a fact it's a year of sentence in _ end and it's a fact it's a year of sentence in a year to romance so this keeps— sentence in a year to romance so this keeps us until 2023. and, yes, ithink— this keeps us until 2023. and, yes, i think it _ this keeps us until 2023. and, yes, i think it is — this keeps us until 2023. and, yes, i think it is an— this keeps us until 2023. and, yes, i think it is an open ended situation _ i think it is an open ended situation until the debt is sold. there — situation until the debt is sold. there are — situation until the debt is sold. there are ongoing negotiations in vienna _ there are ongoing negotiations in vienna on— there are ongoing negotiations in vienna on the whole range of things
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between _ vienna on the whole range of things between iran and the west maybe that will bring _ between iran and the west maybe that will bring things forward and maybe that is— will bring things forward and maybe that is why things have been signal nebo _ that is why things have been signal nebo currently remain in the bargaining chip role. that nebo currently remain in the bargaining chip role. that you very much as ever _ bargaining chip role. that you very much as ever for _ bargaining chip role. that you very much as ever for 20 _ bargaining chip role. that you very much as ever for 20 to _ bargaining chip role. that you very| much as ever for 20 to programme bargaining chip role. that you very i much as ever for 20 to programme in much as everfor 20 to programme in reducing our best wishes to you and your daughter as well. let's get some of the day's other news. the european commission has begun legal action against the pharmaceutical firm astrazeneca over delivery shortfalls of its coronavirus vaccine. a spokesman said the company had not come up with a reliable strategy to ensure the timely delivery of doses. astrazeneca said it would "strongly defend itself in court". a prosecutor in moscow has ordered the suspension of all activity by the political offices of alexei navalny. teams linked to the jailed opposition leader will have to cease working across the country whilst the court decides whether to ban them for good as "extremist". donald trump's former economic
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adviser larry kudlow has left the white house and has returned to fox news, and he wants the nation to know that joe biden's green new deal threatens everything that is precious to middle america, all the stuff you might throw on the barbecue at the weekends. and not only that, but the beer you might drink at the barbecue. can you grill those brussels sprouts? so, get ready! you can throw back a plant—based beer with your grilled brussels sprouts and wave your american flag. that would be the beer made from grains, hops and yeast. i love plant —based beer! i love plant -based beer! what other kind of beer — i love plant -based beer! what other kind of beer is _ i love plant -based beer! what other kind of beer is there? _ i love plant -based beer! what other kind of beer is there? plant -based i kind of beer is there? plant -based beer, i kind of beer is there? plant -based beer. i love — kind of beer is there? plant -based beer, i love it! _ kind of beer is there? plant -based beer, i love it! white _ kind of beer is there? plant -based beer, i love it! white like _ kind of beer is there? plant -based beer, i love it! white like plastic. beer, i love it! white like plastic beer. sausage _ beer, i love it! white like plastic beer. sausage beer— beer, i love it! white like plastic beer. sausage beer or— beer, i love it! white like plastic beer. sausage beer or state i beer, i love it! white like plastic.
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beer. sausage beer or state beer! there is no mention, incidentally, of the biden administration banning meat or dairy in the green new deal. but, hey, no matter. we will drink to that. have another beer! good evening, much of the uk has been dry yet again today. however, we do have some rain working its way south. a reminder if it were needed of what rainfall actually looks like, this weather watcher picture sent in from highland earlier. this rain came courtesy of this area of low pressure which will work its way south across the uk through the next few days. the majority of the uk should see at least a fewer showers, but as the nature with showers, we cannot guarantee them everywhere. they will be a little bit hit and miss. for eastern scotland, with an onshore wind, we are likely to have more persistent rain through the course of the night. cloud and showers spread southwards, eliminating the risk of frost. for the majority, clear skies across southern
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england and east anglia. frost is likely as we head into the first part of tuesday. best of the sunshine through tuesday. it will stay largely dry, maybe a few showers to the far south—west later in the day. but the chance of showers does increase across wales, into the midlands, northern england and northern ireland through tuesday. it's looking fairly grey and wet for our north sea coast of scotland and northern england. tuesday into wednesday, the low heads towards the south—west. wednesday will be the day that wales, midlands and southern counties of england really see an increased chance of showers. further north, we pick up quite a notable northerly wind, some colder air getting into scotland once again. a frosty start, but overall dryer and brighter day. a few showers are possible, wintry of the high ground. some of these showers towards the south—west could be heavy, maybe with a little hail and thunder, looks like they will not reach the south—east until the afternoon. it's wednesday night into thursday that's the turn of the south—east
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of england and east anglia to see something more meaningful in the way of those showers. by thursday and friday, the low�*s off into the continent, the isobars start to open up and pick up a north—easterly wind which drags in cold arctic air. the end of the week looks drier again, showers are fairly isolated. the best chance of seeing those probably close to some of our eastern coasts on thursday. the further west you are, the brighter it will be, but also a little warmer as well. generally, a chilly story for the end of the week, with the continued threat of overnight frost.
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you're watching bbc news with me katty kay in washington, christian fraser is in london. our top stories... the international community is stepping in to help india's covid crisis, but the task ahead may be larger than the helping hand being offered. the biden administration says it will release tens of millions of astrazeneca doses to help countries like india. but not yet. also in the programme.... the us is nearing a vaccine tipping point, those who want jabs will have them, and those that don't...won't get them. so then what? we'll have an in—depth discussion, just ahead. and, she won an oscar, flirted with brad pitt, and stole the heart of millions.
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quite a night for best supporting actress youn yuh—jung she'll be with us live soon. in many ways — the first victories in america's national vaccination programme were always going to be the easy ones. the initial batch of people to get the jab have been the most eager — those willing to wait in long lines at vaccine centres, and happy to endlessly refresh appointment websites until a free slot pops up. but what about the rest of the country? those who are ambivalent — or outright reluctant — about getting a vaccine? eventually — you're going to reach a tipping point, where there's no one left to jab who's willing to be jabbed. according to new analysis — the us could be reaching that point within the next few weeks. look at the trend. after a steady rise in daily vaccinations, the number is now falling.
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each passing day has shown fewer and fewer people getting vaccinated. there are lots of different reasons and for the next ten minutes or so we'll explore them. one of them is the nation's press covereage — which hasn't always helped matters. ami am i going to be ok? it is the question many people who work in are injected are asking? it is question many people who work in are injected are asking?— injected are asking? it is a pretty stunnin: injected are asking? it is a pretty stunning development. - injected are asking? it is a pretty stunning development. in - injected are asking? it is a pretty stunning development. in the i injected are asking? it is a pretty i stunning development. in the mist... polls were _ stunning development. in the mist... polls were built about one third of americans— polls were built about one third of americans when— polls were built about one third of americans when i— polls were built about one third of americans when i get _ polls were built about one third of americans when i get the - polls were built about one third ofj americans when i get the vaccine. guess— americans when i get the vaccine. guess what? — americans when i get the vaccine. guess what? that _ americans when i get the vaccine. guess what? that is _ americans when i get the vaccine. guess what? that is every - americans when i get the vaccine. guess what? that is every bit i americans when i get the vaccine. | guess what? that is every bit their right to refuse. ash will not get the vaccine. there should be an open conversation about specific vaccines?— conversation about specific vaccines? , ., �* , , vaccines? why wouldn't they be? an bod vaccines? why wouldn't they be? anybody who _ vaccines? why wouldn't they be? anybody who is _ vaccines? why wouldn't they be? anybody who is trying _ vaccines? why wouldn't they be? anybody who is trying to - vaccines? why wouldn't they be? anybody who is trying to prevent | anybody who is trying to prevent prevent — anybody who is trying to prevent prevent that conversation should be suspect~ _ and there are now signs that hesitancy to take the vaccine is on the rise take second dose appointments. the cdc says that in recent weeks 8—percent of people due to have their second shots have failed to do so. that may not sound like much, but it
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equates to five million people, and is double the rate of missed appointments recorded in the first months of the year. and the 11—day pause on thejohnson &johnson's jab dealt a significant blow to its reputation. in a poll out today under a quarter of americans said they'd takej&j's jab if it was recommended by a health professional. we're going to spend the next part of the programe focusing on vaccine hesitancy in the us, speaking in a few minutes' time to a vaccine expert specialising in this area. but first — let's speak to someone who has personally opted to not yet take the vaccine. pastorjohn elkins joins us from brazoria, in texas — where he leads a congregation at the sovereign grace fellowship. pastor thank you very much for joining the programme. you have chosen not to take the vaccine yet. why not? fist chosen not to take the vaccine yet. wh not? �* , ~ why not? at this time. i think there is a general — why not? at this time. i think there is a general hesitancy _ why not? at this time. i think there is a general hesitancy in _ why not? at this time. i think there is a general hesitancy in the - why not? at this time. i think there is a general hesitancy in the me i why not? at this time. i think there is a general hesitancy in the me in l is a general hesitancy in the me in the vaccine — is a general hesitancy in the me in the vaccine was rolled out very quickly — the vaccine was rolled out very quickly not familiar with the idea that the — quickly not familiar with the idea
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that the vaccine simply to go undergo _ that the vaccine simply to go undergo a two to three year process of testing _ undergo a two to three year process of testing and vetting and that have to happen _ of testing and vetting and that have to happen so at this time i'm kind of waiting — to happen so at this time i'm kind of waiting and i'm also a relatively good _ of waiting and i'm also a relatively good health and young and i and the hi-h good health and young and i and the high demographic for what the dangerous demographic for catching and really— dangerous demographic for catching and really suffering greatly from covid-19. — and really suffering greatly from covid—19, so those are the two main reasons, _ covid—19, so those are the two main reasons, just — covid—19, so those are the two main reasons, just a quick nature that this was— reasons, just a quick nature that this was rolled out and the fact that i'm — this was rolled out and the fact that i'm not in the dangerous demographic. so that i'm not in the dangerous demographic-— that i'm not in the dangerous demographic. so those are your reasons. demographic. so those are your reasons- i _ demographic. so those are your reasons. i know— demographic. so those are your reasons. i know you _ demographic. so those are your reasons. i know you have i demographic. so those are your reasons. i know you have a i reasons. i know you have a congregation after church of about 50 people. how many of your congregants have got the vaccine? 0ne. congregants have got the vaccine? one. that i know of.— congregants have got the vaccine? one. that i know of. when at a 50? one. that i know of. when at a 50? one at a 50, _ one. that i know of. when at a 50? one at a 50. you — one. that i know of. when at a 50? one at a 50, you smell. _ one. that i know of. when at a 50? one at a 50, you smell. we - one. that i know of. when at a 50? one at a 50, you smell. we are i one. that i know of. when at a 50? one at a 50, you smell. we are a i one at a 50, you smell. we are a role _ one at a 50, you smell. we are a role congregation, we don't see a lot of— role congregation, we don't see a lot of people. —— yes ma'am. we are interacting _ lot of people. —— yes ma'am. we are interacting with a tonne across play
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with populations and things. 0ur congregation, everybody knows who they are _ congregation, everybody knows who they are and where they have been and are _ they are and where they have been and are careful, if they go right in public, _ and are careful, if they go right in public, they— and are careful, if they go right in public, they are social distancing and wearing mask and doing the things— and wearing mask and doing the things they are told. and are good for them — things they are told. and are good forthem. but things they are told. and are good for them. but they don't feel as though— for them. but they don't feel as though it — for them. but they don't feel as though it is imperative for them to -et though it is imperative for them to get it _ though it is imperative for them to get it. most of them are in good health— get it. most of them are in good health and — get it. most of them are in good health and all have pre—existing conditions. the one person that did -et conditions. the one person that did get it— conditions. the one person that did get it is— conditions. the one person that did get it is elderly and has pre—existing conditions, so they went— pre—existing conditions, so they went and — pre—existing conditions, so they went and got the vaccine and they are living — went and got the vaccine and they are living by their conscience that way and — are living by their conscience that way and that is one of the things we affirm _ way and that is one of the things we affirm that — way and that is one of the things we affirm that you should be able to worship — affirm that you should be able to worship and live by this conscience, so this— worship and live by this conscience, so this is— worship and live by this conscience, so this is kind of an area. that is the main — so this is kind of an area. that is the main thing. anytime the government tells the texan not to do something _ government tells the texan not to do something or to do something, we do. there _ something or to do something, we do. there it _ something or to do something, we do. there it is _ something or to do something, we do. there it is. , ., , ., ., there it is. there is a bit of that. this is coming — there it is. there is a bit of that. this is coming from _ there it is. there is a bit of that. this is coming from the - there it is. there is a bit of that. i this is coming from the government, so but _
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this is coming from the government, so but most — this is coming from the government, so but most of my people are pretty the same _ so but most of my people are pretty the same hesitancy i have the same they share — the same hesitancy i have the same they share that shame how quickly it came _ they share that shame how quickly it came out— they share that shame how quickly it came out and we want to see the long-term — came out and we want to see the long—term efficacy of it. you came out and we want to see the long-term efficacy of it.- long-term efficacy of it. you say ou're long-term efficacy of it. you say you're quite _ long-term efficacy of it. you say you're quite savvy. _ long-term efficacy of it. you say you're quite sawy, you - long-term efficacy of it. you say you're quite sawy, you have i long-term efficacy of it. you say you're quite sawy, you have a i you're quite savvy, you have a medical background, your father was involved in science, so you know i think it too. but when you sit there and stand there at the pulpit on a sunday and look out at your congregation of 50, you must see quite a number of all people you must know the risk. so what do you tell them? do you encourage those people to go get a vaccine because thatis people to go get a vaccine because that is probably the best defence will stop we encourage them to exercise their conscience. ierrul’ith will stop we encourage them to exercise their conscience. with love and we give — exercise their conscience. with love and we give them _ exercise their conscience. with love and we give them articles _ exercise their conscience. with love and we give them articles from i exercise their conscience. with love and we give them articles from the | and we give them articles from the cdc and _ and we give them articles from the cdc and from hopkins and gail and from _ cdc and from hopkins and gail and from them — cdc and from hopkins and gail and from them we encourage them to follow— from them we encourage them to follow the — from them we encourage them to follow the leading of the spirit of god _ follow the leading of the spirit of god -- — follow the leading of the spirit of god -- at — follow the leading of the spirit of god. —— at yale university. —— and their— god. —— at yale university. —— and their own — god. —— at yale university. —— and their own confidence. we found along
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conversations with people what we would _ conversations with people what we would encourage them to think about it in long _ would encourage them to think about it in long conversations where we have _ it in long conversations where we have told — it in long conversations where we have told them that you are not in a hi-h have told them that you are not in a high risk— have told them that you are not in a high risk category and may be you can think— high risk category and may be you can think about it, but it is not something _ can think about it, but it is not something we necessarily... you don't pressure — something we necessarily... gm. don't pressure them. 0k. let's bring an epidemiologist. you stay there. dr brian cassstrewchi is an epidemiologist and the head of the de beaumont foundation. the pastor will listen to our conversation and maybe we will bring him in and let's see if you have convinced them. you did a little bit of research on this and you brought a focus group together, most of the republican come and you question them on why they were hesitant. what did you find? we had a discussion. this is going to be _ we had a discussion. this is going to be a _ we had a discussion. this is going to be a personal— we had a discussion. this is going to be a personal choice _ we had a discussion. this is going to be a personal choice like - we had a discussion. this is going to be a personal choice like the i to be a personal choice like the pastor— to be a personal choice like the pastor says _ to be a personal choice like the pastor says. we _ to be a personal choice like the pastor says. we don't- to be a personal choice like the pastor says. we don't really- to be a personal choice like the . pastor says. we don't really need debate~ _ pastor says. we don't really need debate we — pastor says. we don't really need debate. we need _ pastor says. we don't really need debate. we need discussion i pastor says. we don't really need debate. we need discussion andl debate. we need discussion and dialogue — debate. we need discussion and dialogue that _ debate. we need discussion and
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dialogue. that is _ debate. we need discussion and dialogue. that is what _ debate. we need discussion and dialogue. that is what we - debate. we need discussion and dialogue. that is what we did. debate. we need discussion and i dialogue. that is what we did. we talked _ dialogue. that is what we did. we talked through _ dialogue. that is what we did. we talked through some _ dialogue. that is what we did. we talked through some of _ dialogue. that is what we did. we talked through some of the - dialogue. that is what we did. we talked through some of the facts. | dialogue. that is what we did. we . talked through some of the facts. we talked _ talked through some of the facts. we talked about — talked through some of the facts. we talked about the _ talked through some of the facts. we talked about the fact _ talked through some of the facts. we talked about the fact that _ talked through some of the facts. we talked about the fact that safety- talked about the fact that safety and speed — talked about the fact that safety and speed are _ talked about the fact that safety and speed are a _ talked about the fact that safety and speed are a concern - talked about the fact that safety and speed are a concern for- talked about the fact that safety- and speed are a concern for people. so telling _ and speed are a concern for people. so telling folks _ and speed are a concern for people. so telling folks that _ and speed are a concern for people. so telling folks that these _ and speed are a concern for people. so telling folks that these vaccines. so telling folks that these vaccines have tteen— so telling folks that these vaccines have been tested _ so telling folks that these vaccines have been tested on _ so telling folks that these vaccines have been tested on tens - so telling folks that these vaccines have been tested on tens of - have been tested on tens of thousands— have been tested on tens of thousands of— have been tested on tens of thousands of people, - have been tested on tens of l thousands of people, bringing have been tested on tens of - thousands of people, bringing it to the american — thousands of people, bringing it to the american public— thousands of people, bringing it to the american public we _ thousands of people, bringing it to the american public we did - thousands of people, bringing it to the american public we did that. thousands of people, bringing it to the american public we did that soi the american public we did that so quickly— the american public we did that so quickly by— the american public we did that so quickly by cutting _ the american public we did that so quickly by cutting red _ the american public we did that so quickly by cutting red tape, - the american public we did that so quickly by cutting red tape, not. the american public we did that so quickly by cutting red tape, not by| quickly by cutting red tape, not by cutting _ quickly by cutting red tape, not by cutting corners. _ quickly by cutting red tape, not by cutting corners. and _ quickly by cutting red tape, not by cutting corners. and that- quickly by cutting red tape, not by cutting corners. and that every. cutting corners. and that every single — cutting corners. and that every single study— cutting corners. and that every single study phase _ cutting corners. and that every single study phase in— cutting corners. and that every single study phase in trial- cutting corners. and that every single study phase in trial or. single study phase in trial or overseeh_ single study phase in trial or overseen by— single study phase in trial or overseen by the _ single study phase in trial or overseen by the fda. - single study phase in trial or overseen by the fda. and i single study phase in trial or. overseen by the fda. and the independent _ overseen by the fda. and the independent study— overseen by the fda. and the independent study group. - overseen by the fda. and the - independent study group. honestly i think the _ independent study group. honestly i think the recent _ independent study group. honestly i think the recent path _ independent study group. honestly i think the recent path of— independent study group. honestly i think the recent path of the - independent study group. honestly i think the recent path of the j&j - think the recent path of the j&j vaccine — think the recent path of the j&j vaccine should _ think the recent path of the j&j vaccine should give _ think the recent path of the j&j vaccine should give you - think the recent path of the j&j vaccine should give you more i vaccine should give you more confidence, _ vaccine should give you more confidence, and _ vaccine should give you more confidence, and i— vaccine should give you more confidence, and i shake - vaccine should give you more confidence, and i shake your| confidence, and i shake your confidence _ confidence, and i shake your confidence because - confidence, and i shake your confidence because for- confidence, and i shake your confidence because forjust i confidence, and i shake your. confidence because forjust six cases, _ confidence because forjust six cases. they— confidence because forjust six cases, they have _ confidence because forjust six cases, they have pulled - confidence because forjust six cases, they have pulled the i confidence because forjust six . cases, they have pulled the whole vaccine _ cases, they have pulled the whole vaccine up — cases, they have pulled the whole vaccine up because _ cases, they have pulled the whole vaccine up because the _ cases, they have pulled the whole vaccine up because the safety- cases, they have pulled the whole vaccine up because the safety of. cases, they have pulled the whole . vaccine up because the safety of the american _ vaccine up because the safety of the american people _ vaccine up because the safety of the american people is— vaccine up because the safety of the american people is what _ vaccine up because the safety of the american people is what is- vaccine up because the safety of the american people is what is really. american people is what is really important — american people is what is really im ortant. ~ american people is what is really imortant. ~ i. . american people is what is really important-— important. when you gave your resoondents — important. when you gave your respondents data _ important. when you gave your respondents data from - important. when you gave your respondents data from the - important. when you gave your l respondents data from the health professionals pointed out all the things that the cdc are doing and the checks, the approval that is needed, the fda approval, did you
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manage to change any minds quiz green and that focus group, several people decided. that green and that focus group, several peeple decided-— green and that focus group, several people decided. that they were more likel take people decided. that they were more likely take the _ people decided. that they were more likely take the vaccine _ people decided. that they were more likely take the vaccine after - likely take the vaccine after talking _ likely take the vaccine after talking for— likely take the vaccine after talking for three _ likely take the vaccine after talking for three hours. - likely take the vaccine after talking for three hours. what was the trick for _ talking for three hours. what was the trick for that? _ talking for three hours. what was the trick for that? the _ talking for three hours. what was the trick for that? the trick - talking for three hours. what was the trick for that? the trick is - the trick for that? the trick is basically good _ the trick for that? the trick is basically good information i the trick for that? the trick is l basically good information and the trick for that? the trick is - basically good information and good stories— basically good information and good stories get— basically good information and good stories get behaviour— basically good information and good stories get behaviour change. - basically good information and good stories get behaviour change. it- stories get behaviour change. it wasn't — stories get behaviour change. it wasn'tiust_ stories get behaviour change. it wasn't just the _ stories get behaviour change. it wasn't just the data. _ stories get behaviour change. it wasn't just the data. it - stories get behaviour change. it wasn't just the data. it was - stories get behaviour change. it. wasn'tjust the data. it was hearing about— wasn'tjust the data. it was hearing about the _ wasn'tjust the data. it was hearing about the randomness _ wasn'tjust the data. it was hearing about the randomness of _ wasn'tjust the data. it was hearing about the randomness of covid—19i wasn't just the data. it was hearing. about the randomness of covid—19 and you're _ about the randomness of covid—19 and you're balancing — about the randomness of covid—19 and you're balancing the _ about the randomness of covid—19 and you're balancing the theoretical- you're balancing the theoretical long-term _ you're balancing the theoretical long—term side _ you're balancing the theoretical long—term side effects - you're balancing the theoretical long—term side effects of- you're balancing the theoretical long—term side effects of the l long—term side effects of the vaccine — long—term side effects of the vaccine to— long—term side effects of the vaccine to the _ long—term side effects of the vaccine to the documented . long—term side effects of the - vaccine to the documented impact of covert _ vaccine to the documented impact of covert wheh — vaccine to the documented impact of covert when you _ vaccine to the documented impact of covert. when you think _ vaccine to the documented impact of covert. when you think about - vaccine to the documented impact of covert. when you think about it, - covert. when you think about it, when _ covert. when you think about it, when you — covert. when you think about it, when you getting _ covert. when you think about it, when you getting your— covert. when you think about it, when you getting your car, - covert. when you think about it, when you getting your car, you i when you getting your car, you buckle — when you getting your car, you buckle your _ when you getting your car, you buckle your seat _ when you getting your car, you buckle your seat belt. - when you getting your car, you buckle your seat belt. not - when you getting your car, you - buckle your seat belt. not because you know _ buckle your seat belt. not because you know you're _ buckle your seat belt. not because you know you're going _ buckle your seat belt. not because you know you're going to _ buckle your seat belt. not because you know you're going to be - buckle your seat belt. not because you know you're going to be an - you know you're going to be an accident — you know you're going to be an accident. because _ you know you're going to be an accident. because you - you know you're going to be an accident. because you want - you know you're going to be an accident. because you want to| accident. because you want to prevent— accident. because you want to prevent damage _ accident. because you want to prevent damage if _ accident. because you want to prevent damage if there - accident. because you want to prevent damage if there is - accident. because you want to prevent damage if there is an| prevent damage if there is an accident _ prevent damage if there is an accident. that _ prevent damage if there is an accident. that is _ prevent damage if there is an accident. that is what - prevent damage if there is an accident. that is what he - prevent damage if there is an i accident. that is what he vaccine is. . ., accident. that is what he vaccine is. �* ., ~ ., , accident. that is what he vaccine is. . ., . ., , , accident. that is what he vaccine is. . ., . ., , accident. that is what he vaccine is. another white house is a bit concerned _ is. another white house is a bit concerned that _ is. another white house is a bit concerned that people - is. another white house is a bit concerned that people who - is. another white house is a bit concerned that people who are | concerned that people who are hesitant about getting a vaccine come a bit like the pastor we just spoke to and will talk to again, feel that they are being condescended to. and dismissed as a
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group of people who are more conservative, trump supporters, and that that condescension is actually making them understandably more reluctant to go and get the vaccine. i don't think the administration is idon't think the administration is really— i don't think the administration is really doing — i don't think the administration is really doing that _ i don't think the administration is really doing that right _ i don't think the administration is really doing that right now. - i don't think the administration is really doing that right now. i- i don't think the administration is| really doing that right now. i think they have — really doing that right now. i think they have been _ really doing that right now. i think they have been very— really doing that right now. i think they have been very open - really doing that right now. i think they have been very open with - they have been very open with generally— they have been very open with generally all— they have been very open with generally all americans - they have been very open with generally all americans need i they have been very open withi generally all americans need to they have been very open with - generally all americans need to stop shaming _ generally all americans need to stop shaming and — generally all americans need to stop shaming and blaming. _ generally all americans need to stop shaming and blaming. it _ generally all americans need to stop shaming and blaming. it is _ generally all americans need to stop shaming and blaming. it is not - generally all americans need to stop shaming and blaming. it is not a - shaming and blaming. it is not a debate — shaming and blaming. it is not a debate it— shaming and blaming. it is not a debate it you _ shaming and blaming. it is not a debate. if you make _ shaming and blaming. it is not a debate. if you make covid - shaming and blaming. it is not a debate. if you make covid a - debate. if you make covid a political _ debate. if you make covid a political debate, _ debate. if you make covid a political debate, there - debate. if you make covid a political debate, there is. debate. if you make covid a political debate, there is a i debate. if you make covid a - political debate, there is a winner and a _ political debate, there is a winner and a loser — political debate, there is a winner and a loser we _ political debate, there is a winner and a loser. we are _ political debate, there is a winner and a loser. we are not— political debate, there is a winner and a loser. we are not making . and a loser. we are not making healthy — and a loser. we are not making healthy choices, _ and a loser. we are not making healthy choices, where - and a loser. we are not makingi healthy choices, where debating bolicy _ healthy choices, where debating policy and — healthy choices, where debating policy and topics _ healthy choices, where debating policy and topics and _ healthy choices, where debating policy and topics and ideas. - policy and topics and ideas. honestly, _ policy and topics and ideas. honestly, if— policy and topics and ideas. honestly, if we _ policy and topics and ideas. honestly, if we don't - policy and topics and ideas. honestly, if we don't reach| policy and topics and ideas. - honestly, if we don't reach herd immunity. — honestly, if we don't reach herd immunity. we _ honestly, if we don't reach herd immunity, we don't— honestly, if we don't reach herd immunity, we don't get- honestly, if we don't reach herd . immunity, we don't get everybody back scented, _ immunity, we don't get everybody back scented, there _ immunity, we don't get everybody back scented, there are _ immunity, we don't get everybody back scented, there are no - immunity, we don't get everybody. back scented, there are no winners. we all— back scented, there are no winners. we all lose~ — back scented, there are no winners. we all lose~ so _ back scented, there are no winners. we all lose. so we _ back scented, there are no winners. we all lose. so we need _ back scented, there are no winners. we all lose. so we need to - we all lose. so we need to depoliticize _ we all lose. so we need to depoliticize covid—19,- we all lose. so we need to depoliticize covid—19, we l we all lose. so we need to - depoliticize covid—19, we need to make _ depoliticize covid—19, we need to make sure — depoliticize covid—19, we need to make sure we _ depoliticize covid—19, we need to make sure we are _ depoliticize covid—19, we need to make sure we are talking - depoliticize covid—19, we need to make sure we are talking to - depoliticize covid—19, we need to make sure we are talking to our. make sure we are talking to our doctors. — make sure we are talking to our doctors. people _ make sure we are talking to our doctors, people we _ make sure we are talking to our doctors, people we trust, - make sure we are talking to our doctors, people we trust, our. doctors, people we trust, our pastors, _ doctors, people we trust, our pastors, and _ doctors, people we trust, our pastors, and our— doctors, people we trust, our pastors, and our family- doctors, people we trust, our- pastors, and our family members. stay with— pastors, and our family members. stay with us. — pastors, and our family members. stay with us, doctor. _ let's bring pastorjohn elkins from texas back in — who we just spoke to a few minutes
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ago, he has been listening in john, this is your opportunity to speak to one of the country top epidemiologist with their questions and your concerns about the vaccine. jumping with a question for the doctor. i jumping with a question for the doctor. ., , _ . ,, jumping with a question for the doctor. ., , . ,, i. doctor. i would 'ust say thank you first are doctor. i would 'ust say thank you first au — doctor. i would 'ust say thank you first are all for — doctor. i would just say thank you first are all for the _ doctor. i would just say thank you first are all for the work _ doctor. i would just say thank you first are all for the work you're . first are all for the work you're doing — first are all for the work you're doing but _ first are all for the work you're doing. but the on real question i would _ doing. but the on real question i would have is how would you counsel somebody— would have is how would you counsel somebody who's concerned about long-term — somebody who's concerned about long—term efficacy, not ethics but efficacy— long—term efficacy, not ethics but efficacy affects, whether or not the vaccine _ efficacy affects, whether or not the vaccine is _ efficacy affects, whether or not the vaccine is effective long—term? when as much— vaccine is effective long—term? when as much as _ vaccine is effective long—term? when as much as we had the trials and we have the _ as much as we had the trials and we have the test, they have been short—term, even if the vaccine is a great _ short—term, even if the vaccine is a great short— short—term, even if the vaccine is a great short term, what about the long-term — great short term, what about the long—term effects of it and the and whether— long—term effects of it and the and whether or— long—term effects of it and the and whether or not it is consistently effective — whether or not it is consistently effective or it is something they will have — effective or it is something they will have to get every single year. those _ will have to get every single year. those are — will have to get every single year. those are the questions that would p0p those are the questions that would pop up— those are the questions that would pop up in— those are the questions that would pop up in my congregation.- pop up in my congregation. pastor elkins, pop up in my congregation. pastor elkins. those _ pop up in my congregation. pastor elkins, those are _ pop up in my congregation. pastor elkins, those are great _ pop up in my congregation. pastor elkins, those are great questions. | pop up in my congregation. pastor|
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elkins, those are great questions. i will be _ elkins, those are great questions. i will be honest— elkins, those are great questions. i will be honest with _ elkins, those are great questions. i will be honest with you. _ elkins, those are great questions. i will be honest with you. we - elkins, those are great questions. i will be honest with you. we don't l will be honest with you. we don't know— will be honest with you. we don't know all— will be honest with you. we don't know all those _ will be honest with you. we don't know all those answers _ will be honest with you. we don't know all those answers yes. - will be honest with you. we don't| know all those answers yes. what will be honest with you. we don't i know all those answers yes. what i do know _ know all those answers yes. what i do know is — know all those answers yes. what i do know is that _ know all those answers yes. what i do know is that if _ know all those answers yes. what i do know is that if you _ know all those answers yes. what i do know is that if you take - know all those answers yes. what i do know is that if you take a - do know is that if you take a vaccine, _ do know is that if you take a vaccine, the _ do know is that if you take a vaccine, the likelihood - do know is that if you take a vaccine, the likelihood of. do know is that if you take a i vaccine, the likelihood of you having — vaccine, the likelihood of you having to _ vaccine, the likelihood of you having to illness _ vaccine, the likelihood of you having to illness or _ vaccine, the likelihood of you - having to illness or hospitalisation or death _ having to illness or hospitalisation or death is — having to illness or hospitalisation or death is drastically _ having to illness or hospitalisation or death is drastically reduced. . having to illness or hospitalisationi or death is drastically reduced. and that the _ or death is drastically reduced. and that the long—term _ or death is drastically reduced. and that the long—term impacts - or death is drastically reduced. and that the long—term impacts of- that the long—term impacts of covid-19 — that the long—term impacts of covid-19 are _ that the long—term impacts of covid—19 are documented - that the long—term impacts of covid—19 are documented and | that the long—term impacts of- covid—19 are documented and can be devastating — covid—19 are documented and can be devastating. this— covid—19 are documented and can be devastating. this is— covid—19 are documented and can be devastating. this is what _ covid—19 are documented and can be devastating. this is what we - covid—19 are documented and can be devastating. this is what we need i covid—19 are documented and can be devastating. this is what we need toj devastating. this is what we need to do. devastating. this is what we need to do we _ devastating. this is what we need to do we need — devastating. this is what we need to do we need to _ devastating. this is what we need to do. we need to have _ devastating. this is what we need to do. we need to have conversation. i devastating. this is what we need to| do. we need to have conversation. if you want— do. we need to have conversation. if you want to — do. we need to have conversation. if you want to continue _ do. we need to have conversation. if you want to continue the _ you want to continue the conversation _ you want to continue the conversation even - you want to continue the conversation even past l you want to continue the . conversation even past this you want to continue the - conversation even past this first meeting. — conversation even past this first meeting. ill— conversation even past this first meeting. i'llfly_ conversation even past this first meeting, i'll fly down _ conversation even past this first meeting, i'll fly down there - conversation even past this first meeting, i'll fly down there and| meeting, i'll fly down there and will have — meeting, i'll fly down there and will have a _ meeting, i'll fly down there and will have a whole _ meeting, i'll fly down there and will have a whole conversation. meeting, i'll fly down there and - will have a whole conversation with their congregation. _ will have a whole conversation with their congregation. we _ will have a whole conversation with their congregation. we need - will have a whole conversation with their congregation. we need more| their congregation. we need more americans— their congregation. we need more americans talking, _ their congregation. we need more americans talking, discussing, - americans talking, discussing, creating — americans talking, discussing, creating spaces _ americans talking, discussing, creating spaces to _ americans talking, discussing, creating spaces to ask - americans talking, discussing, creating spaces to ask and - americans talking, discussing, . creating spaces to ask and answer questions — creating spaces to ask and answer questions that _ creating spaces to ask and answer questions. that is _ creating spaces to ask and answer questions. that is how— creating spaces to ask and answer questions. that is how we - creating spaces to ask and answer questions. that is how we will- creating spaces to ask and answer questions. that is how we will getj questions. that is how we will get past this— questions. that is how we will get past this and _ questions. that is how we will get past this and in _ questions. that is how we will get past this and in this _ questions. that is how we will get past this and in this pandemic. i questions. that is how we will get past this and in this pandemic. l l past this and in this pandemic. agree with you. past this and in this pandemic. i agree with you. that _ past this and in this pandemic. i agree with you. that point - past this and in this pandemic. i | agree with you. that point about past this and in this pandemic. i - agree with you. that point about the sense of community _ agree with you. that point about the sense of community and _ agree with you. that point about the sense of community and we - agree with you. that point about the sense of community and we are - agree with you. that point about the sense of community and we are all. sense of community and we are all one big congregation and all of this together, does that cut through with you at all? it together, does that cut through with ou at all? ., , . together, does that cut through with ou at all? ., , ~ you at all? it does. at the same time, you at all? it does. at the same time. like _ you at all? it does. at the same time. like i _ you at all? it does. at the same time, like i said, _ you at all? it does. at the same time, like i said, we _ you at all? it does. at the same time, like i said, we are - you at all? it does. at the same time, like i said, we are in - you at all? it does. at the same time, like i said, we are in a -
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you at all? it does. at the same i time, like i said, we are in a rural area, _ time, like i said, we are in a rural area, my— time, like i said, we are in a rural area, my people can typically, their hands _ area, my people can typically, their hands how— area, my people can typically, their hands how many people they saw that week that _ hands how many people they saw that week that are in their immediate family _ week that are in their immediate family. yes and no, committee does cut through — family. yes and no, committee does cut through and are very concerned for my— cut through and are very concerned for my people. —— they can count on their— for my people. —— they can count on their hands — for my people. —— they can count on their hands if— for my people. —— they can count on their hands. if they are in a dangerous demographic or have pre—existing conditions, we flood them _ pre—existing conditions, we flood them with— pre—existing conditions, we flood them with information about it. we let the _ them with information about it. we let the conscience dictate what they need to _ let the conscience dictate what they need to do — let the conscience dictate what they need to do and we don't come i have never— need to do and we don't come i have never advised somebody not to take it or to— never advised somebody not to take it or to take — never advised somebody not to take it or to take it. i have given them the information and told them maybe it is a _ the information and told them maybe it is a good _ the information and told them maybe it is a good idea for you to consider— it is a good idea for you to consider it. and so that is been the way that— consider it. and so that is been the way that i_ consider it. and so that is been the way that i have a posted. i think it is the _ way that i have a posted. i think it is the way— way that i have a posted. i think it is the way i'll probably continue to approach — is the way i'll probably continue to approach it— is the way i'll probably continue to approach it i think.— is the way i'll probably continue to approach it i think. when i ask you why you're — approach it i think. when i ask you why you're hesitant, _ approach it i think. when i ask you why you're hesitant, the _ approach it i think. when i ask you why you're hesitant, the first - approach it i think. when i ask you why you're hesitant, the first think you said you thought the trials had been too quick compared to the other vaccine. the other thing you said was you yourself are healthy and don't have any pre—existing conditions so you don't feel you are particularly at risk and i will i
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was wondering, doctor, please clarify if i sit around, i wonder what the doctor response will be to that concern would be. me what the doctor response will be to that concern would be.— that concern would be. me too. ultimately _ that concern would be. me too. ultimately we _ that concern would be. me too. ultimately we need _ that concern would be. me too. ultimately we need everybody. that concern would be. me too. i ultimately we need everybody as that concern would be. me too. - ultimately we need everybody as many people _ ultimately we need everybody as many people comfortable _ ultimately we need everybody as many people comfortable taking _ ultimately we need everybody as many people comfortable taking the - people comfortable taking the vaccine — people comfortable taking the vaccine it _ people comfortable taking the vaccine. it really— people comfortable taking the vaccine. it really shuts - people comfortable taking the vaccine. it really shuts down l people comfortable taking the . vaccine. it really shuts down any possible — vaccine. it really shuts down any possible transmission— vaccine. it really shuts down any possible transmission routes - vaccine. it really shuts down any| possible transmission routes and vaccine. it really shuts down any. possible transmission routes and it will keep— possible transmission routes and it will keep everybody— possible transmission routes and it will keep everybody say. _ possible transmission routes and it will keep everybody say. ellis - possible transmission routes and it will keep everybody say. ellis is - will keep everybody say. ellis is -et will keep everybody say. ellis is get back— will keep everybody say. ellis is get back to _ will keep everybody say. ellis is get back to the _ will keep everybody say. ellis is get back to the things - will keep everybody say. ellis is get back to the things we - will keep everybody say. ellis is| get back to the things we enjoy. will keep everybody say. ellis is i get back to the things we enjoy. i understand — get back to the things we enjoy. i understand you're _ get back to the things we enjoy. i understand you're in _ get back to the things we enjoy. i understand you're in a _ get back to the things we enjoy. i understand you're in a rural- understand you're in a rural community _ understand you're in a rural community i— understand you're in a rural community. i had _ understand you're in a rural community. i had the - understand you're in a rural community. i had the good| understand you're in a rural- community. i had the good fortune of working _ community. i had the good fortune of working in— community. i had the good fortune of working in texas _ community. i had the good fortune of working in texas for— community. i had the good fortune of working in texas for four _ community. i had the good fortune of working in texas for four years. - community. i had the good fortune of working in texas for four years. i - working in texas for four years. i know _ working in texas for four years. i know the — working in texas for four years. i know the houston _ working in texas for four years. i know the houston area _ working in texas for four years. i know the houston area and - working in texas for four years. i know the houston area and i- know the houston area and i understand _ know the houston area and i understand them. _ know the houston area and i understand them. but - know the houston area and i understand them. but you . know the houston area and i. understand them. but you don't know the houston area and i- understand them. but you don't know when _ understand them. but you don't know when somebody— understand them. but you don't know when somebody might _ understand them. but you don't know when somebody might come - understand them. but you don't know when somebody might come throughi understand them. but you don't know- when somebody might come through who has the _ when somebody might come through who has the virus _ when somebody might come through who has the virus and — when somebody might come through who has the virus and you _ when somebody might come through who has the virus and you get _ when somebody might come through who has the virus and you get several- has the virus and you get several people _ has the virus and you get several people who — has the virus and you get several people who get _ has the virus and you get several people who get affected. - has the virus and you get several people who get affected. again, | people who get affected. again, senator — people who get affected. again, senator cassidy_ people who get affected. again, senator cassidy do— people who get affected. again, senator cassidy do such - people who get affected. again, senator cassidy do such a - people who get affected. again, senator cassidy do such a great| people who get affected. again, i senator cassidy do such a great job in our— senator cassidy do such a great job in our previous _ senator cassidy do such a great job in our previous focus _ senator cassidy do such a great job in our previous focus group - senator cassidy do such a great job in our previous focus group really. in our previous focus group really bringing — in our previous focus group really bringing that _ in our previous focus group really bringing that idea _ in our previous focus group really bringing that idea home - in our previous focus group really bringing that idea home of- in our previous focus group really bringing that idea home of why. in our previous focus group reallyi bringing that idea home of why do you wear— bringing that idea home of why do you wear a — bringing that idea home of why do you wear a seat— bringing that idea home of why do you wear a seat belt. _ bringing that idea home of why do you wear a seat belt. why- bringing that idea home of why do you wear a seat belt. why do- bringing that idea home of why do you wear a seat belt. why do you i you wear a seat belt. why do you take _ you wear a seat belt. why do you take preventive _ you wear a seat belt. why do you take preventive measures? - you wear a seat belt. why do you take preventive measures? not i you wear a seat belt. why do you i take preventive measures? not sure when _ take preventive measures? not sure when you _ take preventive measures? not sure when you know _ take preventive measures? not sure when you know something _ take preventive measures? not sure when you know something bad - take preventive measures? not sure when you know something bad will. when you know something bad will happen _ when you know something bad will happen. you — when you know something bad will happen. you do _ when you know something bad will happen. you do it— when you know something bad will happen. you do it to _ when you know something bad will happen. you do it to keep- when you know something bad will happen. you do it to keep you - when you know something bad willj happen. you do it to keep you safe and you _ happen. you do it to keep you safe and you keep — happen. you do it to keep you safe and you keep your— happen. you do it to keep you safe and you keep your level _ happen. you do it to keep you safe and you keep your level and - happen. you do it to keep you safe and you keep your level and say. . and you keep your level and say. that _ and you keep your level and say.
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that is _ and you keep your level and say. that is what _ and you keep your level and say. that is what we _ and you keep your level and say. that is what we want _ and you keep your level and say. that is what we want to - and you keep your level and say. that is what we want to do. - that is what we want to do. specifically— that is what we want to do. specifically on— that is what we want to do. specifically on the - that is what we want to do. specifically on the issue - that is what we want to do. specifically on the issue ofi that is what we want to do. i specifically on the issue of the pastor himself being healthy and not having pre—existing conditions. ultimately, he has to make a decision— ultimately, he has to make a decision for— ultimately, he has to make a decision for himself. - ultimately, he has to make a decision for himself. i- ultimately, he has to make a decision for himself. i want l ultimately, he has to make ai decision for himself. i want to ultimately, he has to make a - decision for himself. i want to make it available — decision for himself. i want to make it available and _ decision for himself. i want to make it available and make _ decision for himself. i want to make it available and make sure - decision for himself. i want to make it available and make sure we - decision for himself. i want to make it available and make sure we have i it available and make sure we have good _ it available and make sure we have good access — it available and make sure we have good access to _ it available and make sure we have good access to the _ it available and make sure we have good access to the vaccine - it available and make sure we have good access to the vaccine and - it available and make sure we have | good access to the vaccine and that we can— good access to the vaccine and that we can talk— good access to the vaccine and that we can talk more _ good access to the vaccine and that we can talk more about _ good access to the vaccine and that we can talk more about acceptance | we can talk more about acceptance and what _ we can talk more about acceptance and what are — we can talk more about acceptance and what are some _ we can talk more about acceptance and what are some of— we can talk more about acceptance and what are some of the - we can talk more about acceptance and what are some of the reasonsi and what are some of the reasons that he _ and what are some of the reasons that he might _ and what are some of the reasons that he might not _ and what are some of the reasons that he might not want _ and what are some of the reasons that he might not want to - and what are some of the reasons that he might not want to get- that he might not want to get vaccinated _ that he might not want to get vaccinated but _ that he might not want to get vaccinated but ultimately, - that he might not want to get vaccinated but ultimately, it. that he might not want to getl vaccinated but ultimately, it is that he might not want to get. vaccinated but ultimately, it is a way that — vaccinated but ultimately, it is a way that we _ vaccinated but ultimately, it is a way that we can _ vaccinated but ultimately, it is a way that we can protect - vaccinated but ultimately, it is a way that we can protect others i vaccinated but ultimately, it is al way that we can protect others in the community, _ way that we can protect others in the community, i'm _ way that we can protect others in the community, i'm not - way that we can protect others in the community, i'm not as- way that we can protect others in. the community, i'm not as healthy way that we can protect others in - the community, i'm not as healthy as the community, i'm not as healthy as the pastor. _ the community, i'm not as healthy as the pastor. i'm — the community, i'm not as healthy as the pastor. i'm a _ the community, i'm not as healthy as the pastor, i'm a type _ the community, i'm not as healthy as the pastor, i'm a type two— the community, i'm not as healthy as the pastor, i'm a type two diabetic. the pastor, i'm a type two diabetic and hypertensive, _ the pastor, i'm a type two diabetic and hypertensive, i'm— the pastor, i'm a type two diabetic and hypertensive, i'm glad - the pastor, i'm a type two diabetic and hypertensive, i'm glad people| and hypertensive, i'm glad people took the _ and hypertensive, i'm glad people took the vaccine _ and hypertensive, i'm glad people took the vaccine before _ and hypertensive, i'm glad people took the vaccine before i- and hypertensive, i'm glad people took the vaccine before i did - and hypertensive, i'm glad people took the vaccine before i did so i i took the vaccine before i did so i was protected _ took the vaccine before i did so i was protected and _ took the vaccine before i did so i was protected and that - took the vaccine before i did so ii was protected and that everybody took the vaccine before i did so i. was protected and that everybody is protected _ was protected and that everybody is protected yet~ — was protected and that everybody is protected yet. the _ was protected and that everybody is protected yet. the more _ was protected and that everybody is protected yet. the more people - was protected and that everybody is protected yet. the more people wei protected yet. the more people we can get— protected yet. the more people we can get taking _ protected yet. the more people we can get taking the _ protected yet. the more people we can get taking the vaccine - protected yet. the more people we can get taking the vaccine the - protected yet. the more people we| can get taking the vaccine the more likely— can get taking the vaccine the more likely can _ can get taking the vaccine the more likely can save _ can get taking the vaccine the more likely can save and _ can get taking the vaccine the more likely can save and as _ can get taking the vaccine the more likely can save and as a _ can get taking the vaccine the more likely can save and as a pastor- can get taking the vaccine the more | likely can save and as a pastor come i likely can save and as a pastor come i know— likely can save and as a pastor come i know they're — likely can save and as a pastor come i know they're saving _ likely can save and as a pastor come i know they're saving lives— likely can save and as a pastor come i know they're saving lives have - likely can save and as a pastor come i know they're saving lives have to l i know they're saving lives have to be important _ i know they're saving lives have to be important to— i know they're saving lives have to be important to you _ i know they're saving lives have to be important to you and _ i know they're saving lives have to be important to you and if - i know they're saving lives have to be important to you and if we - i know they're saving lives have to be important to you and if we can| be important to you and if we can -et be important to you and if we can get people — be important to you and if we can get people vaccinated, _ be important to you and if we can get people vaccinated, we - be important to you and if we can get people vaccinated, we can. be important to you and if we can. get people vaccinated, we can save 100,000 _ get people vaccinated, we can save 100,000 more _ get people vaccinated, we can save 100,000 more lives. _ get people vaccinated, we can save 100,000 more lives.— 100,000 more lives. doctor, the headfine 100,000 more lives. doctor, the headline news _ 100,000 more lives. doctor, the headline news today _ 100,000 more lives. doctor, the headline news today is _ 100,000 more lives. doctor, the headline news today is that - 100,000 more lives. doctor, the headline news today is that the i headline news today is that the european union will edit advise americans over. that's invite them over as long as they have been
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vaccinated. we have baseball stadiums this week that are set up vaccinating stands where people hack who have been fully back said he can go and sit and businesses are now saying you can come in as longest you have the vaccine and i wonder whether that be the new momentum in the country that actually there is no legislation that says there's a vaccine password but people slightly to become frozen out if they haven't had the jaba. i to become frozen out if they haven't had the jaba— had the jaba. i would hope that if are auoin had the jaba. i would hope that if are going to _ had the jaba. i would hope that if are going to have _ had the jaba. i would hope that if are going to have a _ had the jaba. i would hope that if are going to have a vaccine - are going to have a vaccine verification _ are going to have a vaccine verification that— are going to have a vaccine verification that they - are going to have a vaccine verification that they will . are going to have a vaccine i verification that they will be are going to have a vaccine - verification that they will be still other— verification that they will be still other ways — verification that they will be still other ways that _ verification that they will be still other ways that people - verification that they will be still other ways that people can - verification that they will be still i other ways that people can access the venue — other ways that people can access the venue we _ other ways that people can access the venue. we don't _ other ways that people can access the venue. we don't want - other ways that people can access the venue. we don't want to - other ways that people can access the venue. we don't want to have| other ways that people can access . the venue. we don't want to have to have a _ the venue. we don't want to have to have a de _ the venue. we don't want to have to have a de facto— the venue. we don't want to have to have a de facto mandate _ the venue. we don't want to have to have a de facto mandate for - the venue. we don't want to have to have a de facto mandate for the - have a de facto mandate for the vaccine — have a de facto mandate for the vaccine it — have a de facto mandate for the vaccine it is— have a de facto mandate for the vaccine. it is a _ have a de facto mandate for the vaccine. it is a personal- have a de facto mandate for the vaccine. it is a personal choice. | have a de facto mandate for the i vaccine. it is a personal choice. if you have — vaccine. it is a personal choice. if you have a — vaccine. it is a personal choice. if you have a vaccine _ vaccine. it is a personal choice. if you have a vaccine verification . vaccine. it is a personal choice. if. you have a vaccine verification may be getting — you have a vaccine verification may be getting guicker— you have a vaccine verification may be getting quicker or— you have a vaccine verification may be getting quicker or easier- you have a vaccine verification may be getting quicker or easier but - you have a vaccine verification may be getting quicker or easier but if. be getting quicker or easier but if you choose — be getting quicker or easier but if you choose not _ be getting quicker or easier but if you choose not to _ be getting quicker or easier but if you choose not to have _ be getting quicker or easier but if you choose not to have it, - be getting quicker or easier but if you choose not to have it, there. be getting quicker or easier but if. you choose not to have it, there may be more _ you choose not to have it, there may be more strict — you choose not to have it, there may be more strict requirements - you choose not to have it, there may be more strict requirements for- you choose not to have it, there may be more strict requirements for youi be more strict requirements for you but you _ be more strict requirements for you but you can — be more strict requirements for you but you can still— be more strict requirements for you but you can still have _ be more strict requirements for you but you can still have opportunity. but you can still have opportunity to show _ but you can still have opportunity to show that _ but you can still have opportunity to show that you _ but you can still have opportunity to show that you are _ but you can still have opportunity to show that you are covid—19 - to show that you are covid—19 negative _ to show that you are covid—19 negative have _ to show that you are covid—19 negative have the _ to show that you are covid—19 negative have the same - to show that you are covid—19 . negative have the same access. to show that you are covid-19 negative have the same access. thank ou ve negative have the same access. thank you very much. _ negative have the same access. thank you very much, doctor, _ negative have the same access. thank you very much, doctor, for— negative have the same access. thank you very much, doctor, forjoining - you very much, doctor, forjoining the conversation. and pastor, before you go, i want to know what having spoken to the doctor you feel any
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differently about getting a vaccine yourself or a conversation you want to continue having? i yourself or a conversation you want to continue having?— to continue having? i want to continue _ to continue having? i want to continue the _ to continue having? i want to continue the conversation - to continue having? i want to| continue the conversation but to continue having? i want to - continue the conversation but no, my opinion— continue the conversation but no, my opinion has— continue the conversation but no, my opinion has a — continue the conversation but no, my opinion has a may change. but it never— opinion has a may change. but it never is — opinion has a may change. but it never is in — opinion has a may change. but it never is in a _ opinion has a may change. but it never is in a short conversation. these _ never is in a short conversation. these are — never is in a short conversation. these are long conversations that require _ these are long conversations that require a — these are long conversations that require a great deal of research. i would _ require a great deal of research. i would encourage people to read as much _ would encourage people to read as much as— would encourage people to read as much as you can from credible professionals about these things before _ professionals about these things before you land it really hard when we are _ before you land it really hard when we are the — before you land it really hard when we are the other on issue like this. maybe _ we are the other on issue like this. maybe we — we are the other on issue like this. maybe we can persuade the doctor to come down and visit you in texas. i come down and visit you in texas. i will make him some coffee and it will make him some coffee and it will be _ will make him some coffee and it will be great. i will make him some coffee and it will be great-— will be great. i want to come to that. i will be great. i want to come to that- i will _ will be great. i want to come to that. i will follow-up _ will be great. i want to come to that. i will follow-up by - will be great. i want to come to| that. i will follow-up by e-mail. will be great. i want to come to i that. i will follow-up by e-mail. i will have to _ that. i will follow-up by e-mail. i will have to come _ that. i will follow-up by e-mail. i will have to come down - that. i will follow-up by e-mail. i will have to come down there. i i that. i will follow-up by e-mail. i. will have to come down there. i will reach _ will have to come down there. i will reach out _ will have to come down there. i will reach out to— will have to come down there. i will reach out to you _ will have to come down there. i will reach out to you this _ will have to come down there. i will reach out to you this interview. - reach out to you this interview. please — reach out to you this interview. please do _ reach out to you this interview. please do— reach out to you this interview. please do. , ., . , . please do. our producers are saying he will make — please do. our producers are saying he will make sure _ please do. our producers are saying he will make sure you _ please do. our producers are saying he will make sure you are _ please do. our producers are saying l he will make sure you are connected. both of you, thank you very much for joining the conversation. stay with us on bbc news, still to come: a year of firsts for the oscars. we'll be joined by the winner of this year's best support actress
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award — youn yuh—jung — for her role in minari. the pandemic has led to the biggest jobs crisis for older workers since the 19805, according to the resolution foundation. it says workers in their fifties and 60s are taking longer to find anotherjob, and when they do, they earn on average substantially less than they did before. emma simpson reports. mandy reynolds managed this arcadia store for 13 years in stoke—on—trent. it shut, like all the rest, and aged 51, she's now looking for work. i feel that the experience that we have and the knowledge that i've gained and the capabilities and skills that i have can be transitioned across to a different role, in a different environment, but it's trying to convince other industries and individuals
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on a piece of paper, that that's actually the case. are you starting to feel the pressure a bit? occasionally i do, i'm not going to lie. it has been tough, it is much tougher than i thought it would be. most of us know by now that it's younger workers who've been the hardest hit during this crisis, but older workers, classed as the over—sos, have also been badly affected. for instance, they've seen a fall in employment twice as big as those in the middle of their careers. and losing yourjob at this age can come at a big cost. it can take longer to find a newjob, and when you do, it can lead to a significant reduction in salary, as well as impact retirement plans. about one in five people in work is over the age of 55. so obviously that's a huge component, and what's particularly worrying is, if we see a big uptake in unemployment among that large group, that's a lot of people who are really going to struggle to retire with secure finances.
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back in stoke, as we filmed, mandy received two job interviews. i love to work, i have a lot to offer and a lot to contribute, so ijust need to do that. emma simpson, bbc news. there were a number of first�*s at last nights oscars ceremony, the 93rd academy awards. chlo zhao made history as the first non—white woman and only the second woman overall to win best director, for herfilm nomadland. at 83, sir anthony hopkins became the oldest ever recipient of the best actor award. and youn yuh—jung became the first �*south korean' actress to win an oscar, playing the role of grandmother in the korean—american drama minari. and not only that she beat a stellar field, that included olivia colman, amanda seyfried, maria bakalova, and glenn close. i am pleased to say, after what i am sure was a very long
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night of celebrations in la, youn yuh—jung is with us. many congratulations. how does it feel to have an oscar?— many congratulations. how does it feel to have an oscar? thank you so much. feel to have an oscar? thank you so much- just — feel to have an oscar? thank you so much- just full— feel to have an oscar? thank you so much. just full of— feel to have an oscar? thank you so much. just full of surprise _ feel to have an oscar? thank you so much. just full of surprise for - feel to have an oscar? thank you so much. just full of surprise for me. i much. just full of surprise for me. such— much. just full of surprise for me. such a _ much. just full of surprise for me. such a not— much. just full of surprise for me. such a not at— much. just full of surprise for me. such a not at first. i understand the first time you had met brad pitt, who was a producer on your film? , . , ., pitt, who was a producer on your film? , . , . ., film? yes. that is what i said to him, so film? yes. that is what i said to him. so nice _ film? yes. that is what i said to him, so nice for— film? yes. that is what i said to him, so nice for me _ film? yes. that is what i said to him, so nice for me to - film? yes. that is what i said to him, so nice for me to finally i film? yes. that is what i said to i him, so nice for me to finally meet you _ him, so nice for me to finally meet ou. ~ . him, so nice for me to finally meet ou, ~ ., ., him, so nice for me to finally meet you. what was that like? what did he sa ? he you. what was that like? what did he say? he said — you. what was that like? what did he say? he said yes.- — you. what was that like? what did he say? he said yes,. i _ you. what was that like? what did he say? he said yes,. i said _ you. what was that like? what did he say? he said yes,. i said what - you. what was that like? what did he say? he said yes,. i said what were i say? he said yes,. i said what were ou doinu say? he said yes,. i said what were you doing during — say? he said yes,. i said what were you doing during the _ say? he said yes,. i said what were you doing during the shooting. - say? he said yes,. i said what were you doing during the shooting. he i you doing during the shooting. he said he _ you doing during the shooting. he said he was busy and i said i understood. he was very polite and very nice _ understood. he was very polite and ve nice. ., ., understood. he was very polite and ve nice. ., . , very nice. you said it was a big surprise. _ very nice. you said it was a big surprise. but _ very nice. you said it was a big surprise, but the _ very nice. you said it was a big surprise, but the film - very nice. you said it was a big surprise, but the film has - very nice. you said it was a big surprise, but the film has had | very nice. you said it was a big | surprise, but the film has had a huge amount of success and a lot of people thought that you're going to
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win it. did you really think it was a surprise when the announcer named? i was really surprised. i don't know the competition, especially in my view, _ the competition, especially in my view, that— the competition, especially in my view, that you cannot choose the winter _ view, that you cannot choose the winter because we all play different roles for— winter because we all play different roles for different movies. being nominated, all five ladies that we know— nominated, all five ladies that we know for— nominated, all five ladies that we know for the movie, nominated, all five ladies that we know forthe movie, i'm nominated, all five ladies that we know for the movie, i'm not complaining about the system, being nominated _ complaining about the system, being nominated with more than enough for me, nominated with more than enough for me. so— nominated with more than enough for me. so i_ nominated with more than enough for me. so i was— nominated with more than enough for me, so i was sitting there and wishing — me, so i was sitting there and wishing. glenn close could win. i wishing. glenn close could win. watch the wishing. glenn close could win. i watch the film and i loved it. minari. i love your character. i wonder whether a lot of people have said to you i wish i had had a grandmother like that grandmother. she is such a great character. same
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she is such a great character. some of them say — she is such a great character. some of them say you _ she is such a great character. some of them say you are _ she is such a great character. some of them say you are not _ she is such a great character. some of them say you are not helping - she is such a great character. some of them say you are not helping them at all _ of them say you are not helping them at all and _ of them say you are not helping them at all. and that you ruin everything you're _ at all. and that you ruin everything you're playing hard. but the understand the whole heart i think, all grandmas have a big heart for the grandsons.— the grandsons. your great-grandmotherl the grandsons. your i great-grandmother had a the grandsons. your - great-grandmother had a big the grandsons. your _ great-grandmother had a big heart. great—grandmother had a big heart. yes. what do you remember about her? don't make _ yes. what do you remember about her? don't make me cry. we had the korean war. wartime, we are not human any more _ war. wartime, we are not human any more because — war. wartime, we are not human any more because all of the things are not normal — more because all of the things are not normal. after we got back from the south _ not normal. after we got back from the south part of korea as a refugee, _ the south part of korea as a refugee, my grandma came back home
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and then— refugee, my grandma came back home and then the _ refugee, my grandma came back home and then the whole city was destroyed and there is a chore of everything. rice and rationing. water— everything. rice and rationing. water and everything. my great—grandmother trying to reuse the water— great—grandmother trying to reuse the water coming to me i was nine. she was— the water coming to me i was nine. she was very— the water coming to me i was nine. she was very dirty. she used the water— she was very dirty. she used the water again she was very dirty. she used the wateragain and again. she was very dirty. she used the water again and again. i felt sorry for her _ water again and again. i felt sorry for her she — water again and again. i felt sorry for her. she always said she is not hungry _ for her. she always said she is not hungry she — for her. she always said she is not hungry. she always skipped lunch. i thought— hungry. she always skipped lunch. i thought she was not hungry. when i became _ thought she was not hungry. when i became older, i realised she was sacrificing — became older, i realised she was sacrificing food for us. | became older, i realised she was sacrificing food for us.— sacrificing food for us. i didn't mean to make _ sacrificing food for us. i didn't mean to make you _ sacrificing food for us. i didn't mean to make you cry. i sacrificing food for us. i didn't mean to make you cry. such i sacrificing food for us. i didn't. mean to make you cry. such an sacrificing food for us. i didn't - mean to make you cry. such an extra ordinary moment. oh, dear.- mean to make you cry. such an extra ordinary moment. oh, dear. thank you for sharin: ordinary moment. oh, dear. thank you for sharing your — ordinary moment. oh, dear. thank you for sharing your memory. _ ordinary moment. oh, dear. thank you for sharing your memory. that - ordinary moment. oh, dear. thank you for sharing your memory. that is i for sharing your memory. that is what grandmothers do. that is what they grandmother does in minari.
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thank you, youn yuh—jung forjoining us many congratulations. it was a great speech. by the way, if you haven't seen the film, watch it. you will love it. i haven't seen the film, watch it. you will love it— hello. for a month synonymous with its showers, april has proved stubbornly dry across a large portion of the uk so far. we do, though, have some rain to come through the week ahead. almost all areas stand a chance of seeing some in the next two or three days, but it will come in the form of showers mostly, courtesy of this area of low pressure, so somewhat hit and miss, can't guarantee 100% chance of rain. but you can see tuesday to the north, wednesday to the south—west, thursday to the south—east as that low pulls its way across the uk and eventually heads out towards the continent. so, for tuesday, it is looking wet and grey along our north sea coasts of northern england and eastern scotland. some fairly relentless rain here.
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further west, more showery bursts, drier intervals in between times. the showers edging down towards the south—west come tuesday afternoon. largely dry, i would say here, though, and it looks like it'll be dry for the south—east and east anglia. 16 in london. just 7 in aberdeen. overnight tuesday into wednesday, the low makes its way south. it'll be milder to the south because of the presence of the cloud and rain, some cold air to the far north of scotland, risk of frost first thing here on wednesday. wednesday daytime, drier and brighter to the north, showers for wales, the midlands, south—west, perhaps the south—east come the evening. and then through wednesday into thursday, the low makes its way south—eastwards, so finally the turn of the south—east of england and east anglia to have a better chance of getting some rainfall before the low pulls away through thursday morning. what happens behind the low, though, is very interesting. we're plunged back into arctic air. the isobars open up as well, sojust light winds. that is going to bring back the risk
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of widespread overnight frost. there's the rain first thing on thursday, pulling away through the day. look at these showers, though, across scotland. cold enough air that they will be wintry across higher ground once again. some showers around further south, too, can't pinpoint exactly where we're likely to see them but with just a light wind, they could be very slow moving, so some decent rainfall totals possible out of those, but the light winds and the clear skies do bring a threat to gardeners through the end of the week, even on into the weekend, ahead of those widespread frosts. friday, light winds again, some showers developing, with the south—west of england and perhaps wales favoured, along with eastern scotland and the temperatures still pretty unremarkable — below average for the time of year. and that's the way we go into the start of the bank holiday weekend. quite a cool easterly or north—easterly wind, chilly nights and temperatures in the low teens by day. looking towards bank holiday monday,
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looks like we could, though, start to see an area of low pressure approaching from the atlantic. that could briefly buck up our temperatures, and further ahead, a little bit more in the way of a strengthening jet stream and that trend for low pressure to try and come in from the atlantic. the two things that sets up for us are the possibility of some milder air working its way in to the uk. not a given at this stage, that arctic air never too far away to the north, but it does look like, as we pick up a more westerly atlantic influence further ahead, so on into next week there will be a greater chance of us seeing rain more widespread across the uk.
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tonight at ten — borisjohnson denies ever saying that he'd rather let thousands of bodies pile up than approve another lockdown. on the campaign trail today, mrjohnson said the reports were total rubbish but the question was asked again — did he use those words, yes or no? no, but, again, ithink the important thing i think that people want us to get on and do as a government is to make sure that the lockdowns work. another day when the prime minister has had to answer questions about his own conduct, another day when downing street has had to focus on
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defending itself. we'll have more details as the covid—19 bereaved families group said the alleged remarks were heartless and disrespectful. also tonight...

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