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black people has not been one where it happen very often. so it would be an historic case if derek chauvin is found guilty. that is the courtroom in minneapolis was a we will bring you the verdict as soon as we have it. welcome to our viewers around the world and pbs news. we are bringing you special coverage of the courtroom in minneapolis where the jurors have reached a verdict. in the trial of chauvin. the former police officer have been accused of murder in the case of george floyd, the unarmed black man who was killed last may in minneapolis and we understand that the verdict has been reached and all of the members of thejury are reached and all of the members of the jury are assembling in that courtroom at the moment. but the judge along with derek chauvin the former white police officer and the members of the prosecution and the defence team. we have been speaking to a host of legal analysts over the course of last hour since it was understood. the verdict coming down and they have all been surprised by
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the speed with which the jurors reach their decision. they deliberated for ii reach their decision. they deliberated for 11 hours which is not long in the context of a case. i case that is been tried for three weeks up there in minneapolis and several of those legal analysts suggesting to us that that meant they thought that there was a unanimous decision and most likely a guilty decision as well. but we will bring you that verdict as soon larry, our correspondent is in minneapolis. thank you forjoining the programme. it is a quiet crowd, subdued respectful crowd that is standing behind you on the very spot where george floyd was killed last may. what is the mood there in minneapolis at the moment? it is of auiet minneapolis at the moment? it is of quiet anticipation. _ minneapolis at the moment? it is of quiet anticipation. they _ minneapolis at the moment? it is of quiet anticipation. they are - minneapolis at the moment? it is of quiet anticipation. they are also - quiet anticipation. they are also reading at the same way the legal analysts are. the fact that it took the jury on the ii analysts are. the fact that it took the jury on the 11 hours to arrive at a verdict, they are required to
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have a unanimous verdict. the people here think that means it's going to be a guilty verdict on some or all of the charges. it should be at any moment now. this is george floyd square, what is now called. the activists say it's a place for compassion commits a place for community, for public grief and protest. they have been talking back there about how they feel about this moment and what still needs to change regardless of the verdict in this particular case with policing in this city. this particular case with policing in this city-— this particular case with policing in this city. larry, as we wait for that verdict, _ in this city. larry, as we wait for that verdict, and _ in this city. larry, as we wait for that verdict, and of— in this city. larry, as we wait for that verdict, and of course, - in this city. larry, as we wait for that verdict, and of course, we | in this city. larry, as we wait for. that verdict, and of course, we will go straight to the courtroom as soon as we get it, remind us of the charges and the sentences attached to those charges. derek chauvin is facing three major charges. second—degree murder, third—degree murder, second degree manslaughter. either chance going back to the crowd now mentioning his name. they are honouring him now, where they are standing behind, the cub foods is where he is accused of having allegedly used a counterfeit
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$20 bill, when police were called in in this accelerated into the now viral video, the crowd behind saying that these streets are there streets, and this is a place that ever since may, essentially, streets, and this is a place that eversince may, essentially, has come out to agitate for george floyd's case, but also for the many other victims for —— of police brutality in minneapolis and in the state of minnesota.— brutality in minneapolis and in the state of minnesota. larry, mentioned earlier that there _ state of minnesota. larry, mentioned earlier that there were _ state of minnesota. larry, mentioned earlier that there were 44 _ state of minnesota. larry, mentioned earlier that there were 44 witnesses l earlier that there were 44 witnesses called by the prosecution and the defence. there was, of course, also the video, which was a form of witness to what happened, and we saw the video being played from different angles from the bystanders who took it, from the dash cam, from the police officers, how important to people in minneapolis think that that video was in the course of this trial? it was played by both the prosecution, it was played by the defence as well. did they feel that this video was a watershed moment in americanjustice and this video was a watershed moment in american justice and american policing and in the context of these
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kinds of trials. i policing and in the context of these kinds of trials.— kinds of trials. i have heard from eo - le kinds of trials. i have heard from peeple who _ kinds of trials. i have heard from people who have _ kinds of trials. i have heard from people who have told _ kinds of trials. i have heard from people who have told me - kinds of trials. i have heard from people who have told me here i kinds of trials. i have heard from i people who have told me here that the video was a game changer. in plain terms, they say that man died on video, we saw it, we all sides, why is there a trial about this, for those who feel they shouldn't have been a trial in the first place. we have a lot of video in this case, the body worn cameras from all the officers who responded to the scene, there is another video from a street camera from not too far from where i'm standing from a long shot of that scene back there with the cub foods. we have the bystander but he is from the viral video but also other bystanders who came to that scene, and it was played and repeatedly played, and one of the most dramatic moments was when... larry, i am going tojump in because we're going straight to the courtroom where we are seeing now that the judge is there and about to address thejurors. here isjudge
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cahill. all rise for the jury. please be seated. members of the jury, and understanding of a verdict. —— i understand you have a verdict. members of thejury —— i understand you have a verdict. members of the jury come i will now read the verdicts as they appear in
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the permanent records the state of minnesota county of hennepin, district court, fourth judicial district, state of minnesota plaintiff versus derek michael show been, verdict counselling —— derek chauvin. port file number 27, cr 20, 12646. we thejury chauvin. port file number 27, cr 20, 12646. we the jury in the above titled manner as to count one, unintentional second degree murder while committing a felony find the defendant guilty, is the verdict agree to this 20th day of april, 2021 at 1:44pm. signed your 4—person juror number 19. same caption, verdict count two, we the jury in the above entitled manner as to compass make another degree murder, perpetrating an eminently dangerous act, find the defendant guilty, verdict agreed to this 20th day of april, 2021 at 1:45pm. signed by jury april, 2021 at 1:45pm. signed by jury 4—personjuror april, 2021 at 1:45pm. signed by jury 4—person juror number 19. april, 2021 at 1:45pm. signed by jury 4—personjuror number 19. same caption, verdict count three, we the
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jury caption, verdict count three, we the jury in the above entitled manner as to count three, second grade manslaughter, culpable negligence, creating an unreasonable risk, find the defendant guilty, as verdict agreed to this 20 day of april 2021 at 1:45pm. jury 4—person, agreed to this 20 day of april 2021 at1:45pm. jury 4—person, 019. at 1:45pm. jury 4—person, 019. members at1:45pm. jury 4—person, 019. members of thejury, i am not going to ask individually if are your true and correct verdicts. please respond yes or no. juror number two are the future and correct verdicts? yes. jury number _ future and correct verdicts? yes. jury number nine _ future and correct verdicts? yes. jury number nine from _ future and correct verdicts? yes. jury number nine from our - future and correct verdicts? yes jury number nine from our these are true and correct vertex? yes. jury number 19 — true and correct vertex? yes. jury number 19 from _ true and correct vertex? yes. jury number 19 from our— true and correct vertex? yes. jury number 19 from our these are true and correct vertex?— number 19 from our these are true and correct vertex? yes. juror number 27th _ and correct vertex? yes. juror number 27th of _ and correct vertex? yes. juror number 27th of are _ and correct vertex? yes. juror number 27th of are these - and correct vertex? yes. juror number 27th of are these your true and correct verdicts?— number 27th of are these your true and correct verdicts? yes. juror number 44. _ and correct verdicts? yes. juror number 44, are _ and correct verdicts? yes. juror number 44, are these - and correct verdicts? yes juror number 44, are these your true and correct vertex?— number 44, are these your true and correct vertex? yes. juror number 52, these correct vertex? yes. juror number 52. these are — correct vertex? yes. juror number 52, these are true _ correct vertex? yes. juror number 52, these are true and _ correct vertex? yes. juror number 52, these are true and correct verdicts?— 52, these are true and correct verdicts?- juror _ 52, these are true and correct verdicts? yes. juror number 55, are these your— verdicts? yes. juror number 55, are these your true _ verdicts? yes. juror number 55, are these your true and _ verdicts? yes. juror number 55, are these your true and correct verdicts?— these your true and correct verdicts?- juror - these your true and correct verdicts? yes. juror number 79 tomorrow _ verdicts? yes. juror number 79 tomorrow these _ verdicts? yes. juror number 79 tomorrow these are _ verdicts? 1l; juror number 79 tomorrow these are true and correct vertex? . tomorrow these are true and correct vertex?-juror _ tomorrow these are true and correct vertex? yes. juror number 85, these are true and —
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vertex? yes. juror number 85, these are true and correct verdicts? yes. i are true and correct verdicts? yes. juror number _ are true and correct verdicts? yes. juror number 89, _ are true and correct verdicts? yes. juror number 89, is _ are true and correct verdicts? yes. juror number 89, is this _ are true and correct verdicts? yes. juror number 89, is this your true and correct verdict?— juror number 89, is this your true and correct verdict? yes. jury number 91. — and correct verdict? yes. jury number 91, is _ and correct verdict? yes. jury number 91, is this _ and correct verdict? yes. jury number 91, is this your- and correct verdict? 1l; jury number 91, is this your true and correct verdict?— number 91, is this your true and correct verdict? yes. juror number 92, are correct verdict? yes. juror number 92. are these _ correct verdict? yes. juror number 92, are these are _ correct verdict? yes. juror number 92, are these are true and correct verdicts? . 92, are these are true and correct verdicts?- are _ 92, are these are true and correct verdicts? yes. are these your verdicts? yes. are these your verdicts so — verdicts? yes. are these your verdicts so say _ verdicts? yes. are these your verdicts so say you _ verdicts? yes. are these your verdicts so say you won - verdicts? yes. are these your verdicts so say you won so . verdicts? yes. are these your verdicts so say you won so say you all? . verdicts so say you won so say you all?- members _ verdicts so say you won so say you all? yes. members of thejury can i all? yes. members of the “my can i find that the — all? 1l; members of the jury can i find that the verdicts as red reflect the will of the jury and will be filed accordingly. i have to thank you on behalf of the people of the state of minnesota for not only jury the state of minnesota for not only jury service, but heavy dutyjury service. i'm going to ask you do now is to file the w back into your usual room and i willjoin you in a few minutes to answer questions and to advise you further. all rise for the jury. there you have it, derek chauvin has been found guilty on all three charges in the murder of george floyd, an unarmed black man for nine
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minutes and 29 seconds, derek chauvin, the former white police officer who is standing right there, pressed his knee on george floyd's neck. george floyd died. let's listen again.— neck. george floyd died. let's listen atain. :. listen again. the written argument as to factors _ listen again. the written argument as to factors within _ listen again. the written argument as to factors within one _ listen again. the written argument as to factors within one week, - listen again. the written argument as to factors within one week, the | as to factors within one week, the correlation findings for the factors, the factual findings and one week after that. and we will also have a briefing after you get the psi, six weeks from now and then eight weeks from now, we will have sentencing. we will get you the exact dates in a scheduling order. as a motion on behalf of the state. we moved to have the court to revoke the defendants fail and remanded to custodx _ the defendants fail and remanded to custody. bail the defendants fail and remanded to custod . 1. . the defendants fail and remanded to custod . , custody. bail is revoked, bond discharge. _ custody. bail is revoked, bond discharge, defendant - custody. bail is revoked, bond discharge, defendant is - custody. bail is revoked, bond - discharge, defendant is remanded to the custody of the county sheriff. anything further? no, thank you.
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anything further? no, thank ou. :, anything further? no,thank ou. :, :, , no, thank you. that is at. you see the handcuffs _ no, thank you. that is at. you see the handcuffs being _ no, thank you. that is at. you see the handcuffs being put _ no, thank you. that is at. you see the handcuffs being put on - no, thank you. that is at. you see the handcuffs being put on their. the handcuffs being put on their children. remanded in custody, that means he will be sent to jail well the sentencing comes down, we see the sentencing comes down, we see the sentencing comes down, we see the sentencing there has been ordered in a week's time, then we will know what his sentences. but he has been found guilty on all three charges and the most serious charge on intentional second—degree a maximum sentence of 40 years, third—degree murder, second degree manslaughter carries carries ten years, and those can be served concurrently since there has not been a charge against her before this one, but derek chauvin found guilty in all three charges and at the moment, at the moment he was found guilty, the moment thejudge read out to those guilty verdicts, there were cheers and applauding outside the courtroom you can on most of them inside the courtroom. i
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detect a moment where you can start hearing people cheering outside of the spot where george floyd was killed outside the courtroom itself. there was an irruption from the people who had been gathered there. this is unprecedented in the state of minnesota, never before has a white police officer in that state been convicted of killing a black man. so this is a historic verdict. let's go to larry. larry, you have been following this trial for the last three weeks. people there at the beginning of this trial saying they did not think that there would be a guilty verdict, and now we have it. what is the response? fits be a guilty verdict, and now we have it. what is the response?— be a guilty verdict, and now we have it. what is the response? as soon as that announcement _ it. what is the response? as soon as that announcement was _ it. what is the response? as soon as that announcement was made, - it. what is the response? as soon as| that announcement was made, heard somebody in the crowd say guilty, and then a cheer applause went out in the crowd, they were clapping they began to shout george floyd's name, woman standing next to be said well done, minnesota, well done. because they know how historic moses, the first time ever that a
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white policeman has been convicted for killing a black person while on duty. it's never been seen before and this crowd appreciates that. they're continuous tense breaking out in the crowd, they are processing this, and for many of them, they will remember this moment when the news broke and they were here standing where george floyd took his last moments. it for many of them, they feel that finally justice has been delivered. different parts of the crowd, there is applause, there's clapping, chanting, they have come to terms with this moment that there was nothing planned, no speech, no loudspeaker or anything, just this continuous celebration does this news is breaking. it continuous celebration does this news is breaking.— news is breaking. it doesn't, of course, news is breaking. it doesn't, of course. bring — news is breaking. it doesn't, of course, bring back— news is breaking. it doesn't, of course, bring back george - news is breaking. it doesn't, of i course, bring back george floyd, news is breaking. it doesn't, of - course, bring back george floyd, but what does this mean for the family, for the floyd family who have been sitting in this courtroom ever since the trial began three weeks ago, larry? the trial began three weeks ago, lar ? . the trial began three weeks ago, lar ? , :, ., the trial began three weeks ago, lar ? ,:, ., , larry? first of all, as you can see, the are larry? first of all, as you can see, they are just _ larry? first of all, as you can see, they are just putting _ larry? first of all, as you can see, they are just putting up _ larry? first of all, as you can see, they are just putting up a - larry? first of all, as you can see, they are just putting up a sign - larry? first of all, as you can see, |
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they are just putting up a sign over there that sows justice, and that has been saying justice for george floyd and counting the number of days of trial, today it says justice served. i believe it's about to say justice served over there. the family will be relieved, we are expecting a statement from them any moment now, and the whole crowd is watching us that sign has changed. it's important to this case because where we are standing used to be the gas station across from the cub foods where this incident happened. this gas station has been turned into the centre of operations and the headquarters of activists here. listen to all of the celebration. this diagnosis justice served? i listen to all of the celebration. this diagnosisjustice served? i did not expect that. justice this diagnosis justice served? i did not expect that. justice served? what is that?, larry? the not expect that. justice served? what is that?, larry?— not expect that. justice served? what is that?, larry? the sign says 'ustice what is that?, larry? the sign says justice served? _ what is that?, larry? the sign says justice served? so, _ what is that?, larry? the sign says justice served? so, while _ what is that?, larry? the sign says justice served? so, while the - what is that?, larry? the sign says justice served? so, while the boardj justice served? so, while the board would sayjustice served, they have added to? to the end. find
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would sayjustice served, they have added to? to the end.— would sayjustice served, they have added to? to the end. and larry, as ou and i added to? to the end. and larry, as you and i have _ added to? to the end. and larry, as you and i have been _ added to? to the end. and larry, as you and i have been speaking - added to? to the end. and larry, as you and i have been speaking over. you and i have been speaking over the course of the last three weeks, i am thinking that that's? it's about the fact that george floyd is not coming back, and that one case cannot be expected to change a very long history of police brutality in this country. long history of police brutality in this country-— this country. absolutely. i was ttoin to this country. absolutely. i was going to go — this country. absolutely. i was going to go there _ this country. absolutely. i was going to go there because - this country. absolutely. i wasj going to go there because that this country. absolutely. i was i going to go there because that is exactly what i've been hearing here. while just as it is exactly what i've been hearing here. whilejust as it is important exactly what i've been hearing here. while just as it is important for george floyd and they wanted the maximum possible sentence, they wanted a murder charge, first degree possible, but more importantly, they feel there are systemic issues with policing in this community in black and brown communities being over policed and also that often an encounter with the police officer could and in a death sentence, and that needs to change because the same doesn't happen to other communities, especially for white people, and there has been a very strong chance of that. there has been a big example of that in
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minnesota. the same week that daunte wright died because he was trying to run off. a white man was also arrested, he was resisting arrest, he was fighting with officers and he was taken alive, no shots fired. that is what they see as the big problem with policing here. to your toint, problem with policing here. to your point. larry. _ problem with policing here. to your point, larry, maxine _ problem with policing here. to your point, larry, maxine waters, - problem with policing here. to your point, larry, maxine waters, the i point, larry, maxine waters, the congressman from california who was in minneapolis this weekend and who said if there was not a verdict of guilty then there would have to be more confrontational measures taken. she has just tweeted out that she is not celebrating, she is relieved, which i think, larry, gets to this mixed reaction in some ways. if they're not been a verdict of guilty, i suspect we would have seen much more protest, notjust in minneapolis, but around the country. there are a lot of people, and i'm reading commentators on social media saying don't pretend that this one
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case also everything because it doesn't. absolutely. maxine waters is a very outspoken congressman from california. she has been a civil white —— civil rights leader in her own right for generations and if she says there's no guilty verdict to come of it needs to be more confrontational, and that's a lot of criticism from them, and she said she did not mean physically confront officers, don't going to get into violent acts with the national guard and law enforcement, but they need to sign petitions, cloture elected representatives here, but what we see here is a celebration because many people here did not expect a guilty charge, but especially they did not expect three guilty verdicts and within 11 hours. it's a most unprecedented. ijust noticed back here when i was standing here to my side tear rolled down somebody�*s i because of how unexpected this is. ok, larry there for us in what is 0k, larry there for us in what is now known as george floyd's skill in
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minneapolis. just to recap, derek chauvin, the white police officer, former police officer who has been charged with murdering george floyd has been found guilty on all three counts. he has been remanded in custody, read out in the courtroom, he will go to jail, awaiting sentencing, that will take place in eight weeks' time. the maximum sentence of the most serious charge is of 40 years, and we will get that sentencing in eight weeks' time. we arejoined by stephanie, former mayor of baltimore, also an attorney herself. ink much forjoining me. your reaction to these guilty charges? i your reaction to these guilty chart es? :. your reaction to these guilty chartes? :, ., , charges? i am relieved. iwas concerned. — charges? i am relieved. iwas concerned. i _ charges? i am relieved. iwas concerned, ithink_ charges? i am relieved. iwas concerned, i think all- charges? i am relieved. iwas concerned, i think all of- charges? i am relieved. iwas concerned, i think all of us i charges? i am relieved. i was. concerned, i think all of us were. we saw what we saw, and we wanted to believe our eyes. but we all know, especially attorneys know that all it takes is one juror to especially attorneys know that all it takes is onejuror to have especially attorneys know that all it takes is one juror to have doubt that will upend what we think is a very strong case. so i am relieved, but i also know thatjustice fort
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george floyd requires more thanjust a guilty verdict. we have to be committed to real reform, and that is more than a protest, that is more than a tweet, that is showing up in state houses around the country, at city halls and working and testifying and pushing for real police reform. that i believe is a better representation of what justice could look like for george floyd. mil justice could look like for george flo d. : :, justice could look like for george flo d. ., justice could look like for george flo d. :, ., floyd. all of those caveats are clearly appropriate _ floyd. all of those caveats are clearly appropriate in - floyd. all of those caveats are clearly appropriate in this - floyd. all of those caveats are - clearly appropriate in this moment, and we should put this in historical context, however, the state of minnesota has never convicted, never found guilty a white police officer accused of killing a black person. so it is a historic moment. you are mayor of the city of baltimore when it had its own incident of police brutality against a black man, freddie grey, who also died at the
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hands of police. what do you think it means, what message does it send, notjust it means, what message does it send, not just to the it means, what message does it send, notjust to the minneapolis police department, but to police departments around the country, to the baltimore police department, for example. i the baltimore police department, for exam-le. ~ , , ., example. i think it sends a message to tolice example. i think it sends a message to police departments _ example. i think it sends a message to police departments all— example. i think it sends a message to police departments all over - example. i think it sends a message to police departments all over the i to police departments all over the country that our eyes are on them. we expect police to treat every citizen with respect, treat them the way that you would want someone to treat your mother, your sister, your son, your daughter. that is what communities expect, and i remember pleading with the police union when i was fighting for police reform in maryland, i begged them, isaid, you know that there are officers who should not be wearing the badge. you have an opportunity to help me get them out of the department. it doesn't help any good officer to have a bad officer in the department. and when i tried, i
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could not get the police unions to budge. i couldn't get the legislature to budge. unfortunately, after the death of freddie grey, everyone wanted to be a part of police reform, but it is a hard battle and it requires all of us to do more than protest from a more than be confrontational, we have to be committed to seeking change. irate be committed to seeking change. we have seen during the course of this trial, incidents of police brutality against black people in the country. we saw adam toledo, 13 or a black boy killed in chicago. was on virginia, not very far from where you are, a lieutenant in the army stopped for no reason and pepper sprayed. in all of those cases, the level of antagonism from the video we saw the police was very, very heightened. how does that come down? how do police officers in america go
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into a traffic stop and not from out of the car if there is a black person in the car already almost in fight mode?— person in the car already almost in fitht mode? ~ :, :, , fight mode? welcome of it has to be consequences- _ fight mode? welcome of it has to be consequences. and _ fight mode? welcome of it has to be consequences. and when _ fight mode? welcome of it has to be consequences. and when there - fight mode? welcome of it has to be consequences. and when there are l consequences. and when there are consequences, behaviour changes. i was fighting very hard, as i mentioned, for police reform because i wanted my police commissioner to have more tools at his disposal to deal with officers that he knew based on their bad action should not be in the uniform. and that's what we need to see. that's why it's so important, i repeat again that we stay vigilant. thisjury important, i repeat again that we stay vigilant. this jury does not bring police reform. working with statehouses and city councils across the country will get us police reform. we cannot, we can exhale, but we cannot stop the fight for real police reform because that is what it's going to take. stephanie, former male of baltimore, thank you
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very much forjoining us. let's speak now to from atlanta civil rights activist, martin luther king the third. thank you very much for joining us. your reaction today and particularly if you could put us in the framework of the floyd family and what this means for the floyd family. and what this means for the floyd famil . ~ . and what this means for the floyd famil . ~ , . ., , and what this means for the floyd famil. ,: ., i, and what this means for the floyd famil. ,: ., family. well, this certainly is a treat family. well, this certainly is a great relief. _ family. well, this certainly is a great relief. i— family. well, this certainly is a great relief. i don't _ family. well, this certainly is a great relief. i don't think - family. well, this certainly is a i great relief. i don't think there's any other— great relief. i don't think there's any other word that represents it better_ any other word that represents it better than saying relief. with the floyd _ better than saying relief. with the floyd family i was with them at the time for— floyd family i was with them at the time for the memorial service for george _ time for the memorial service for george floyd in minneapolis, and i think_ george floyd in minneapolis, and i think they— george floyd in minneapolis, and i think they feel relieved, but there is not _ think they feel relieved, but there is not you — think they feel relieved, but there is no, you know, the fact of the matter— is no, you know, the fact of the matter is— is no, you know, the fact of the matter is that the verdict which is the right— matter is that the verdict which is the right verdict does not bring back— the right verdict does not bring back the — the right verdict does not bring back the loved one. you know, i know this person _
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back the loved one. you know, i know this person because my father was gunned _ this person because my father was gunned down, my grandmother was gunned _ gunned down, my grandmother was gunned down, my grandmother was gunned down, and you know, you want to see _ gunned down, and you know, you want to see a _ gunned down, and you know, you want to see a person convicted, which is the right— to see a person convicted, which is the right thing to do, and it was at the right thing to do, and it was at the maximum degree, three levels of conviction, _ the maximum degree, three levels of conviction, the interesting thing we must _ conviction, the interesting thing we must look— conviction, the interesting thing we must look to now is what is the sentencing, and hopefully that will be the _ sentencing, and hopefully that will be the maximum as well. so this is a very significant step, but it is a step— very significant step, but it is a step of— very significant step, but it is a step of relief, as the marriages stated — step of relief, as the marriages stated. we have to continue to be vigitant— stated. we have to continue to be vigilant around reform in policing because — vigilant around reform in policing because every day, every week, every month, _ because every day, every week, every month, these kinds of things are happening all across our nation. very— happening all across our nation. very few— happening all across our nation. very few people in this country understand the way that your family does what it is like to lose somebody in the struggle for civil rights and racialjustice in this country. how does the focus now keep on the issue, given how much george floyd and the trial of derek chauvin have been a focus up until now? how
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does that push forjustice and racial justice and does that push forjustice and racialjustice and an end to peace brutality carry—on around the country? brutality carry-on around the count ? ~' brutality carry-on around the count ? ~ ., �*, ., country? so, i think that's what, unfortunately, _ country? so, i think that's what, unfortunately, what _ country? so, i think that's what, unfortunately, what probably - country? so, i think that's what, unfortunately, what probably is. unfortunately, what probably is going _ unfortunately, what probably is going to — unfortunately, what probably is going to happen is these cases keep coming _ going to happen is these cases keep coming. who would've thought that less than— coming. who would've thought that less than a — coming. who would've thought that less than a year after george ftoyd's— less than a year after george floyd's tragic death, you know, back a few— floyd's tragic death, you know, back a few days _ floyd's tragic death, you know, back a few days ago, daunte wright would be killed _ a few days ago, daunte wright would be killed by policemen. these things keep happening. and you have to ask the question, if that had been a white _ the question, if that had been a white young men, with that same scenario— white young men, with that same scenario have occurred? most people would _ scenario have occurred? most people would assume no. so the point is, unfortunately, some of the incidents are going _ unfortunately, some of the incidents are going to happen until we get serious, — are going to happen until we get serious, serious police reform, which — serious, serious police reform, which is — serious, serious police reform, which is training and it comes in a lot of— which is training and it comes in a lot of ways — which is training and it comes in a lot of ways commit comes in identifying police and the community
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and where _ identifying police and the community and where attacks actually happen. with we _ and where attacks actually happen. with we have to leave it there, the line is _ with we have to leave it there, the line is breaking up little. think you so— line is breaking up little. think you so much forjoining us. you line is breaking up little. think you so much forjoining us. you so much for 'oining us. you have been watching — you so much forjoining us. you have been watching special— you so much forjoining us. you have been watching special coverage - you so much forjoining us. you have been watching special coverage of i been watching special coverage of the trial of derek chauvin. for some legal context, let's go now to defence attorney and former criminal prosecutor in the states of minnesota, john lesh, john, you and i spoke about an hour ago before the verdict came in coming your reaction to the unanimous verdict derek chauvin is guilty on all three counts. i guess i was not completely surprised to see that there was a guilty verdict on all counts, i was surprised that they were able to come to an guilty verdict on all three counts injust come to an guilty verdict on all three counts in just ten hours of deliberating. that's a big deal committed three significant, especially the context of what kind
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of justice we've especially the context of what kind ofjustice we've had for police violence in recent history in the state of minnesota. this will be the highest charge of which a police officer has ever been convicted and so should probably receive a high sentence. , :, :, , , , ., ,, :, :, sentence. john, does it speak to a chante in sentence. john, does it speak to a change in time. — sentence. john, does it speak to a change in time, or— sentence. john, does it speak to a change in time, or does _ sentence. john, does it speak to a change in time, or does it - sentence. john, does it speak to a change in time, or does it speak. sentence. john, does it speak to a | change in time, or does it speak to the quality of the evidence in this particular case? it the quality of the evidence in this particular case?— particular case? it speaks to a chante particular case? it speaks to a change in _ particular case? it speaks to a change in time. _ particular case? it speaks to a change in time. there - particular case? it speaks to a change in time. there have i particular case? it speaks to a i change in time. there have been incidents in the past where the have been good or better evidence has been good or better evidence has been a complete reluctance for prosecutors to charge an individual police officer whom they consider to be their primary partners and investigation. it was an inherent conflict of interest historically. there was also some have a tenancy upon structural racism as well. both of those are fundamentally changing now, and this verdict has helped to change that. do now, and this verdict has helped to change that-— change that. do you think this
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verdict, cases _ change that. do you think this verdict, cases going _ change that. do you think this verdict, cases going forward l change that. do you think this. verdict, cases going forward on police bertelli against black and brown people. what's more is it's probably would've happened even if there hadn't been a probably would've happened even if there hadn't bee— there hadn't been a guilty verdict in this case- _ in this case. the nature of the case, the witnesses the prosecution brought forward, the willingness of half of those 38 state witnesses of her first responders and the members of our enforcement community, those a big deal breaking down the blue wall of silence. it is fundamentally changed the nature of prosecution of law enforcement going forward in this country. fits law enforcement going forward in this country-— law enforcement going forward in this count . . ., :, , this country. as a defence attorney, i am sure this country. as a defence attorney, i am sure you _ this country. as a defence attorney, i am sure you watch _ this country. as a defence attorney, i am sure you watch the _ this country. as a defence attorney, | i am sure you watch the performance of the defence attorney in this case, eric nelson, did he make the best, purely from a professional point of view, do you think he did as good a job as he could done, or was the case against derek chopin just so overwhelming from that video onwards from the witnesses on words that there was nothing he could've
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donein that there was nothing he could've done in this case conceal welcome aboard. from a purely professional standpoint, he did a very good job with the material that he had in terms of evidence. also, the evidence was pretty overwhelming, and the way that the state conducted its case which was done extremely well by highly talented litigators and they crafted the theme that the jury and they crafted the theme that the jury hung onto. so even if there was going to be a reasonable doubt based upon the narrative put forward by mr nelson, it made it a really steep slope to climb for him. can you clarify something for us, there is a maximum sentence of 40 years attached to the second—degree murder charge, and then a sentence of 25 years and ten years. what would you expect the sentencing to look like for derek chauvin?— expect the sentencing to look like for derek chauvin? well, they will be concurrent. _ for derek chauvin? well, they will be concurrent. when _ for derek chauvin? well, they will be concurrent. when he _ for derek chauvin? well, they will be concurrent. when he gets - be concurrent. when he gets sentenced, they will run concurrent
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because they are part of the same act. so the fundamental conviction, of course, was second—degree, because that means he will in fact in all likelihood get a higher sentence than the last officer to be convicted which was mohammed knorr who was sentenced on third—degree murder. so the second degree murder was significant, the times will run concurrent, but that second degree murder charges a really big deal, it's the same as you would get for intentional second degree murder. 0k, john, thank you very much for joining us and for your commentary during the course of this trial. you have been an invaluable resource up there in minneapolis. for those of you who are just there in minneapolis. for those of you who arejustjoining us, we have special coverage now of the trial of derek chauvin, who has been found guilty on three counts of murder in the case of george boyd. he has been remanded —— george floyd. he has been remanded into custody, as you heard there, he will be sentenced in eight weeks' time, the maximum sentence and the charge of second—degree unintentional murder is 40 years. judge cahill who
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presided over this case said that he will call the court back in eight week time and we will get that sentencing. derek chauvin is in prison. he has been charged with murder. let's go to larry. he is in minneapolis. be surprised we can say that now by derek chauvin. derek chauvin has been found to be a murderer by this iury been found to be a murderer by this jury of 12 people. that been found to be a murderer by this jury of 12 people-— jury of 12 people. that is correct. for the first _ jury of 12 people. that is correct. for the first time _ jury of 12 people. that is correct. for the first time i _ jury of 12 people. that is correct. for the first time i have - jury of 12 people. that is correct. for the first time i have been - jury of 12 people. that is correct. | for the first time i have been here for a month and a half and i can say i'm standing just moments away from where george floyd was murdered. and i can talk to one of the people who's been here from the beginning. marcia howe, thank you forjoining us. i know it's incredibly busy and powerful time for you. it’s powerful time for you. it's emotional, _ powerful time for you. it's emotional, how _ powerful time for you. it's emotional, how are - powerful time for you. it's emotional, how are you feeling? i'm not even _ emotional, how are you feeling? i'm not even quite sure howl emotional, how are you feeling? i'm not even quite sure how i feel. there's— not even quite sure how i feel. there's a — not even quite sure how i feel. there's a part of me that's incredibly gratified that the murder that we _ incredibly gratified that the murder that we all witnessed with our own eyes has _ that we all witnessed with our own eyes has been declared such. that the value —
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eyes has been declared such. that the value of this man's life was declared — the value of this man's life was declared defensible by

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