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hello, and welcome to dateline london — the programme which brings together international correspondents filing from the uk with the best of bbc expertise. i'm geeta guru—murthy. this week, we ask what is britain's role in the world? with a huge moment of change as we battle a global pandemic, and brexit has become real, there is renewed interest in what the uk's international future looks like. a new government report, called global britain, focuses on the indo—pacific — suggesting closer ties with india, japan and australia. what does this mean for the relationship with china? a question faced at the moment by president biden. meanwhile, nations all over the world continue to grapple with their vaccination programmes. what do the diplomatic skirmishes over covid tell us about where power lies today? with me are isobel hilton, founder of china dialogue, jeffrey koffman, a us—canadian journalist and formerly war correspondent for abc news, and the bbc�*s chief international correspondent, lyse doucet.
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welcome, and thanks so much forjoining me today. borisjohnson launched a new foreign policy direction, global britain — the integrated review this week. it was driven by professorjohn bew, a historian known across the political landscape here and author of a much—read biography of labour's post—war prime minister, clement attlee. seen in that light, the focus on nato, a renewed comittment to nuclear and a tilt to the indo—pacific, with more interest in space, cyber and technology are perhaps unsurprising. politically, can global britain be made to chime with the government's other key mantra of levelling up? and what about china — friend orfoe, or both? isobel, are we already in a sort of new cold war? well, we certainly have elements of a cold war, but unlike the original cold war we are dealing with not the
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soviet union, but a country that has the second biggest economy in the world and is a huge trading partner, so it's more complicated than that. but we are in a systemic confrontation, and a series of reports from the us, the eu, various western democratic partners have identified this strategic contest that we are certainly engaged on. the difficulty that all of these countries are facing is, how do you pursue that systemic confrontation? how do you defend human rights and democratic values whilst continuing to trade with such an important partner? that's at the heart of this report too, but the question isn't answered. borisjohnson once described his position as wanting to have his cake and eat it, and that is a lot of cake in this report without really confronting the question of whether there is a cost
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to defending values and as britain prepared to pay it at a time when it has lost its major trading partner, the eu, and is seeking to compensate for this by patching to collect new and different relationships across the world. , ' , ., and different relationships across the world. ' , ., ,, and different relationships across the world, ' , ., ,, ~' the world. jeffrey, do you think this is pragmatism _ the world. jeffrey, do you think this is pragmatism we - the world. jeffrey, do you think this is pragmatism we are - the world. jeffrey, do you think. this is pragmatism we are seeing from the uk, the eu and the us, who have had major talks with china this week? i have had ma'or talks with china this week? ~' ,., , week? i think the report itself represents — week? i think the report itself represents a _ week? i think the report itself represents a kind _ week? i think the report itself represents a kind of _ week? i think the report itself represents a kind of identity l week? i think the report itself- represents a kind of identity crisis for the _ represents a kind of identity crisis for the uk — represents a kind of identity crisis for the uk in the supposed superpower, post—brexit world. what exactly— superpower, post—brexit world. what exactly does the uk fit in? it's not really— exactly does the uk fit in? it's not really a _ exactly does the uk fit in? it's not really a major player in any way in global— really a major player in any way in global politics, but it has a historic— global politics, but it has a historic legacy that it wants to sustain — historic legacy that it wants to sustain. naturally what the report seems _ sustain. naturally what the report seems to— sustain. naturally what the report seems to be to reconcile. in leaving the eu, _ seems to be to reconcile. in leaving the eu, which represents 43% of this country's _ the eu, which represents 43% of this country's trade, it is simply not going _ country's trade, it is simply not going to — country's trade, it is simply not going to be made up with trade with japan, _ going to be made up with trade with japan, which has 1.9% of this
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country's _ japan, which has 1.9% of this country's trade. i think it's about trying _ country's trade. i think it's about trying to— country's trade. i think it's about trying to find that place. on the question— trying to find that place. on the question of china, it is really an irreconcilable challenge for every countrx — irreconcilable challenge for every country. we saw in alaska this week, with the _ country. we saw in alaska this week, with the stand off between the american and chinese diplomats, it was a _ american and chinese diplomats, it was a very. — american and chinese diplomats, it was a very, very uncomfortable display— was a very, very uncomfortable display of— was a very, very uncomfortable display of the kind of a antagonisms that how— display of the kind of a antagonisms that now exist. america lecturing america. — that now exist. america lecturing america, and i think britain is called — america, and i think britain is called in — america, and i think britain is called in at _ america, and i think britain is called in at the same kind of conundrum. you can't ignore china. lyse. _ conundrum. you can't ignore china. lyse. the _ conundrum. you can't ignore china. lyse. the uk — conundrum. you can't ignore china. lyse, the uk still on the security council, we are still a big military contributed in europe and to nato. is that if the analysis? it is tempting to say britain is in a new place and this is how we see our future. , , ., , ,., ,
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future. this review is absolutely fundamental. _ future. this review is absolutely fundamental. jeffrey _ future. this review is absolutely fundamental. jeffrey called - future. this review is absolutely fundamental. jeffrey called it i future. this review is absolutely| fundamental. jeffrey called it an identity— fundamental. jeffrey called it an identity crisis, _ fundamental. jeffrey called it an identity crisis, you _ fundamental. jeffrey called it an identity crisis, you could - fundamental. jeffrey called it an identity crisis, you could even i fundamental. jeffrey called it an i identity crisis, you could even call an existential— identity crisis, you could even call an existential crisis. _ identity crisis, you could even call an existential crisis. yes, - identity crisis, you could even call an existential crisis. yes, britain. an existential crisis. yes, britain is on _ an existential crisis. yes, britain is on the — an existential crisis. yes, britain is on the security— an existential crisis. yes, britain is on the security council. - an existential crisis. yes, britain is on the security council. how l an existential crisis. yes, britain - is on the security council. how does is on the security council. how does isjustify_ is on the security council. how does is justify its — is on the security council. how does isjustify its position? _ is on the security council. how does isjustify its position? it— is on the security council. how does is justify its position? it was - isjustify its position? it was known — isjustify its position? it was known as— isjustify its position? it was known as the _ isjustify its position? it was known as the go—to - isjustify its position? it was known as the go—to power. is justify its position? it was i known as the go—to power for is justify its position? it was - known as the go—to power for the us it wanted _ known as the go—to power for the us it wanted costly— known as the go—to power for the us it wanted costly military— it wanted costly military engagements _ it wanted costly military engagements was - it wanted costly military engagements was not l it wanted costly military. engagements was not what it wanted costly military- engagements was not what it was it wanted costly military— engagements was not what it was the bridge _ engagements was not what it was the bridge to _ engagements was not what it was the bridge to europe, _ engagements was not what it was the bridge to europe, you _ engagements was not what it was the bridge to europe, you would - engagements was not what it was the bridge to europe, you would call- engagements was not what it was the bridge to europe, you would call up . bridge to europe, you would call up to talk— bridge to europe, you would call up to talk to _ bridge to europe, you would call up to talk to someone _ bridge to europe, you would call up to talk to someone that _ bridge to europe, you would call up to talk to someone that you - bridge to europe, you would call up to talk to someone that you know, i to talk to someone that you know, speaks _ to talk to someone that you know, speaks the — to talk to someone that you know, speaks the same _ to talk to someone that you know, speaks the same language, - to talk to someone that you know, speaks the same language, whenl to talk to someone that you know, i speaks the same language, when you want to— speaks the same language, when you want to talk— speaks the same language, when you want to talk to — speaks the same language, when you want to talk to europe _ speaks the same language, when you want to talk to europe about - want to talk to europe about something _ want to talk to europe about something to _ want to talk to europe about something to stop _ want to talk to europe about something to stop now - want to talk to europe about i something to stop now britain want to talk to europe about - something to stop now britain are post-brexit — something to stop now britain are post—brexit needs _ something to stop now britain are post—brexit needs a _ something to stop now britain are post—brexit needs a new- something to stop now britain are post—brexit needs a new place - something to stop now britain are post—brexit needs a new place inl something to stop now britain are i post—brexit needs a new place in the world _ post—brexit needs a new place in the world the _ post—brexit needs a new place in the world. the language _ post—brexit needs a new place in the world. the language in— post—brexit needs a new place in the world. the language in this - post—brexit needs a new place in the world. the language in this report. world. the language in this report is interesting _ world. the language in this report is interesting for— world. the language in this report is interesting for supper— world. the language in this report is interesting for supper gone - world. the language in this report is interesting for supper gone is. is interesting for supper gone is that phrase, _ is interesting for supper gone is that phrase, middle _ is interesting for supper gone is that phrase, middle power- is interesting for supper gone is| that phrase, middle power wire, is interesting for supper gone is- that phrase, middle power wire, the phrase _ that phrase, middle power wire, the phrase were — that phrase, middle power wire, the phrase were used _ that phrase, middle power wire, the phrase were used to _ that phrase, middle power wire, the phrase were used to use _ that phrase, middle power wire, the phrase were used to use about - phrase were used to use about britain — phrase were used to use about britain punching _ phrase were used to use about britain punching above - phrase were used to use about britain punching above its - phrase were used to use about. britain punching above its weight. they talk— britain punching above its weight. they talk about _ britain punching above its weight. they talk about shaping _ britain punching above its weight. they talk about shaping the - they talk about shaping the international— they talk about shaping the international order, - they talk about shaping the international order, and - they talk about shaping the international order, and ofl they talk about shaping the - international order, and of course we had _ international order, and of course we had a — international order, and of course we had a look— international order, and of course we had a look at _ international order, and of course we had a look at britain's - international order, and of course we had a look at britain's trends. | we had a look at britain's trends. science. — we had a look at britain's trends. science, technology, _ we had a look at britain's trends. science, technology, and - we had a look at britain's trends. science, technology, and britainl science, technology, and britain iooking —
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science, technology, and britain looking to — science, technology, and britain looking to this _ science, technology, and britain looking to this idea _ science, technology, and britain looking to this idea of _ science, technology, and britain looking to this idea of the - looking to this idea of the indo—pacific_ looking to this idea of the indo—pacific tilt. - looking to this idea of the indo—pacific tilt. you - looking to this idea of the indo—pacific tilt. you big i looking to this idea of the - indo—pacific tilt. you big aina by asking _ indo—pacific tilt. you big aina by asking isohei— indo—pacific tilt. you big aina by asking isobel whether— indo—pacific tilt. you big aina by asking isobel whether this - indo—pacific tilt. you big aina by asking isobel whether this is - indo—pacific tilt. you big aina by asking isobel whether this is a l indo—pacific tilt. you big aina by. asking isobel whether this is a new cold war~ — asking isobel whether this is a new cold war~ i— asking isobel whether this is a new cold war. i don't _ asking isobel whether this is a new cold war. i don't think— asking isobel whether this is a new cold war. i don't think so. - asking isobel whether this is a new cold war. i don't think so. the - asking isobel whether this is a new| cold war. i don't think so. the cold war cold war. idon't think so. the cold war was— cold war. idon't think so. the cold warwas driven— cold war. idon't think so. the cold war was driven by— cold war. i don't think so. the cold war was driven by ideology. - cold war. i don't think so. the cold war was driven by ideology. this. cold war. i don't think so. the cold war was driven by ideology. this is| war was driven by ideology. this is driven— war was driven by ideology. this is driven by— war was driven by ideology. this is driven by interest. _ war was driven by ideology. this is driven by interest. india _ war was driven by ideology. this is driven by interest. india and - war was driven by ideology. this is driven by interest. india and chinal driven by interest. india and china at the _ driven by interest. india and china at the two — driven by interest. india and china at the two most _ driven by interest. india and china at the two most populous - driven by interest. india and china. at the two most populous countries in the _ at the two most populous countries in the world, — at the two most populous countries in the world, both _ at the two most populous countries in the world, both of _ at the two most populous countries in the world, both of them - at the two most populous countries in the world, both of them almost. in the world, both of them almost 1.4 in the world, both of them almost i~4 biiiion— in the world, both of them almost 1.4 billion people. _ in the world, both of them almost 1.4 billion people. of— in the world, both of them almost 1.4 billion people. of course - in the world, both of them almost 1.4 billion people. of course you i 1.4 billion people. of course you are going — 1.4 billion people. of course you are going to— 1.4 billion people. of course you are going to want— 1.4 billion people. of course you are going to want to _ 1.4 billion people. of course you are going to want to trade - 1.4 billion people. of course you are going to want to trade with i are going to want to trade with those — are going to want to trade with those countries, _ are going to want to trade with those countries, have - are going to want to trade with| those countries, have relations are going to want to trade with - those countries, have relations with those _ those countries, have relations with those countries, _ those countries, have relations with those countries, but _ those countries, have relations with those countries, but we _ those countries, have relations with those countries, but we are - those countries, have relations with those countries, but we are back. those countries, have relations with those countries, but we are back to| those countries, but we are back to that juggling — those countries, but we are back to that juggling act~ _ those countries, but we are back to thatjuggling act it— those countries, but we are back to thatjuggling act. it seems- those countries, but we are back to that juggling act. it seems to - those countries, but we are back to thatjuggling act. it seems to me i thatjuggling act. it seems to me it's always — thatjuggling act. it seems to me it's always been _ thatjuggling act. it seems to me it's always been there. _ thatjuggling act. it seems to me it's always been there. how - thatjuggling act. it seems to me it's always been there. how do . thatjuggling act. it seems to me l it's always been there. how do you weigh— it's always been there. how do you weigh up— it's always been there. how do you weigh up your— it's always been there. how do you weigh up your values _ it's always been there. how do you weigh up your values versus - it's always been there. how do you weigh up your values versus your l weigh up your values versus your interests? — weigh up your values versus your interests? i— weigh up your values versus your interests? ithink— weigh up your values versus your interests? i think in— weigh up your values versus your interests? i think in this - weigh up your values versus your interests? i think in this new- weigh up your values versus your l interests? i think in this new paper we are _ interests? i think in this new paper we are seeing— interests? i think in this new paper we are seeing interests— interests? i think in this new paper we are seeing interests are - interests? i think in this new paper we are seeing interests are at - we are seeing interests are at tilting — we are seeing interests are at tilting more _ we are seeing interests are at tilting more than _ we are seeing interests are at tilting more than values. - we are seeing interests are at. tilting more than values. there we are seeing interests are at - tilting more than values. there was that video _ tilting more than values. there was that video leaked _ tilting more than values. there was that video leaked of— tilting more than values. there was that video leaked of dominic - tilting more than values. there was that video leaked of dominic raab i that video leaked of dominic raab are tilting — that video leaked of dominic raab are tilting more _ that video leaked of dominic raab are tilting more than— that video leaked of dominic raab are tilting more than values. - that video leaked of dominic raabi are tilting more than values. there was that— are tilting more than values. there was that video _ are tilting more than values. there was that video leaked _ are tilting more than values. there was that video leaked of— are tilting more than values. there was that video leaked of dominic l was that video leaked of dominic raab _ was that video leaked of dominic raab basically— was that video leaked of dominic raab basically telling _ was that video leaked of dominic raab basically telling people, - was that video leaked of dominic raab basically telling people, if. was that video leaked of dominic l raab basically telling people, if we had to— raab basically telling people, if we had to decide — raab basically telling people, if we had to decide who _ raab basically telling people, if we had to decide who we _ raab basically telling people, if we had to decide who we trade - raab basically telling people, if we had to decide who we trade with i had to decide who we trade with based _ had to decide who we trade with based on — had to decide who we trade with based on their— had to decide who we trade with based on their human _ had to decide who we trade with based on their human rights - had to decide who we trade with - based on their human rights record, we wouldn't — based on their human rights record, we wouldn't be _ based on their human rights record, we wouldn't be trading _ based on their human rights record, we wouldn't be trading with - based on their human rights record, we wouldn't be trading with all- based on their human rights record, we wouldn't be trading with all of. we wouldn't be trading with all of the great —
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we wouldn't be trading with all of the great growth _ we wouldn't be trading with all of the great growth markets. - we wouldn't be trading with all of the great growth markets. it's. we wouldn't be trading with all of. the great growth markets. it's very honest. _ the great growth markets. it's very honest. it — the great growth markets. it's very honest. it is— the great growth markets. it's very honest, it is realpolitik, _ the great growth markets. it's very honest, it is realpolitik, it - the great growth markets. it's very honest, it is realpolitik, it is - the great growth markets. it's very honest, it is realpolitik, it is at - honest, it is realpolitik, it is at the world — honest, it is realpolitik, it is at the world we're _ honest, it is realpolitik, it is at the world we're living - honest, it is realpolitik, it is at the world we're living in - honest, it is realpolitik, it is atj the world we're living in today. honest, it is realpolitik, it is at. the world we're living in today. is that british — the world we're living in today. is that british expression— - the world we're living in today. is that british expression— we - the world we're living in today. is that british expression— we are l the world we're living in today. is that british expression— we are bj the world we're living in today. is i that british expression— we are b r. isobel. _ that british expression— we are b r. isobel. if— that british expression— we are b r. isobel. ifthere— that british expression— we are b r. isobel, if there is _ that british expression— we are b r. isobel, if there is a _ that british expression— we are b r. isobel, if there is a real— that british expression— we are b r. isobel, if there is a real push - that british expression— we are b r. isobel, if there is a real push from i isobel, if there is a real push from the us, europe to back up india, the other big superpower, and japan and australia— is it possible that can really provide a counterbalance to the growing might of china? it has spread its influences across the world in so many ways, hasn't it? there is a confusion between the strategic need and the economic weight of china. i disagree with the characterisation that it's about we are where we are. a lot of it is about we are aware that we wear. there is a lot of education of past influence and pass the virtues, most of which is a really diverging with current policies. there is a lot of
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bragging about soft power and cultural power and the bbc. we know what the government is doing to the bbc-. it what the government is doing to the bbc—. it has cut aid to the most vulnerable country in the middle of a crisis. there is a divergence between the picture presented in this report... let between the picture presented in this report- - -_ between the picture presented in this report... let me bring lyse in for the this report... let me bring lyse in forthe bbc- _ this report... let me bring lyse in for the bbc. purely _ this report... let me bring lyse in for the bbc. purely out _ this report... let me bring lyse in for the bbc. purely out of - this report... let me bring lyse in for the bbc. purely out of self- for the bbc. purely out of self interest. a, , for the bbc. purely out of self interest. , ., �* ., interest. may be i don't agree with isobel. interest. may be i don't agree with lsobel- maybe _ interest. may be i don't agree with isobel. maybe bit— interest. may be i don't agree with isobel. maybe bit him _ interest. may be i don't agree with isobel. maybe bit him of— interest. may be i don't agree with isobel. maybe bit him of all- interest. may be i don't agree with isobel. maybe bit him of all is i isobel. maybe bit him of all is lraggage, _ isobel. maybe bit him of all is lraggage, all— isobel. maybe bit him of all is lraggage, all its— isobel. maybe bit him of all is baggage, all its former - isobel. maybe bit him of all is. baggage, all its former colonial ruler— baggage, all its former colonial ruler relationships, _ baggage, all its former colonial ruler relationships, the - baggage, all its former colonial ruler relationships, the bbc- baggage, all its former colonial ruler relationships, the bbc — l baggage, all its former colonial. ruler relationships, the bbc — all that weight — ruler relationships, the bbc — all that weight of _ ruler relationships, the bbc — all that weight of history— _ ruler relationships, the bbc — all that weight of history— as - ruler relationships, the bbc — all that weight of history— as it i ruler relationships, the bbc — all. that weight of history— as it moves forward _ that weight of history— as it moves forward it— that weight of history— as it moves forward it is— that weight of history— as it moves forward it is carrying _ that weight of history— as it moves forward it is carrying those - that weight of history— as it moves forward it is carrying those bags i that weight of history— as it moves forward it is carrying those bags as it travels _ forward it is carrying those bags as it travels to — forward it is carrying those bags as it travels to new _ forward it is carrying those bags as it travels to new regions _ forward it is carrying those bags as it travels to new regions of - forward it is carrying those bags as it travels to new regions of the i it travels to new regions of the world — it travels to new regions of the world in— it travels to new regions of the world in the— it travels to new regions of the world. in the same _ it travels to new regions of the world. in the same way- it travels to new regions of the world. in the same way that i it travels to new regions of the i world. in the same way that the us is seeing _ world. in the same way that the us is seeing that — world. in the same way that the us is seeing that part _ world. in the same way that the us is seeing that part of— world. in the same way that the us is seeing that part of the _ world. in the same way that the us is seeing that part of the world, i is seeing that part of the world,
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the indo—pacific. _ is seeing that part of the world, the indo—pacific. antony- is seeing that part of the world, i the indo—pacific. antony blinken's first visits — the indo—pacific. antony blinken's first visits were _ the indo—pacific. antony blinken's first visits were back _ the indo—pacific. antony blinken's first visits were back to _ the indo—pacific. antony blinken's first visits were back to japan i the indo—pacific. antony blinken's first visits were back to japan and | first visits were back to japan and south _ first visits were back to japan and south korea _ first visits were back to japan and south korea. their— first visits were back to japan and south korea. their first— first visits were back to japan and south korea. their first meetingsj south korea. their first meetings with the — south korea. their first meetings with the chinese _ south korea. their first meetings with the chinese in _ south korea. their first meetings with the chinese in alaska. - south korea. their first meetings with the chinese in alaska. so, . south korea. their first meetings. with the chinese in alaska. so, they are also— with the chinese in alaska. so, they are also saving _ with the chinese in alaska. so, they are also saying something. - with the chinese in alaska. so, they are also saying something. it - with the chinese in alaska. so, they are also saying something. it is i are also saying something. it is interesting _ are also saying something. it is interesting that— are also saying something. it is interesting that the _ are also saying something. it is interesting that the us - are also saying something. it is interesting that the us and i are also saying something. it is i interesting that the us and britain are still— interesting that the us and britain are still moving _ interesting that the us and britain are still moving in _ interesting that the us and britain are still moving in at _ interesting that the us and britain are still moving in at the - interesting that the us and britain are still moving in at the same i are still moving in at the same direction _ are still moving in at the same direction. , are still moving in at the same direction-— are still moving in at the same direction. , g ' , direction. let me bring jeffrey in it. when direction. let me bring jeffrey in it- when you _ direction. let me bring jeffrey in it. when you look _ direction. let me bring jeffrey in it. when you look at _ direction. let me bring jeffrey in it. when you look at the - direction. let me bring jeffrey in it. when you look at the way i direction. let me bring jeffrey in| it. when you look at the way that the us and canadian media look at the us and canadian media look at the uk? was now, obviously brexit has galvanised everybody here, but it does throw up questions about how much of the uk matters and how useful it is to that old us allegiance. it useful it is to that old us allegiance.— useful it is to that old us alleaiance. , ., ., , ., allegiance. it is a fair question, and i allegiance. it is a fair question, and i think— allegiance. it is a fair question, and i think moving _ allegiance. it is a fair question, and i think moving away - allegiance. it is a fair question, and i think moving away from . allegiance. it is a fair question, i and i think moving away from europe has really— and i think moving away from europe has really diminished the uk's power and presence in this debate in the eyes _ and presence in this debate in the eyes of— and presence in this debate in the eyes of the — and presence in this debate in the eyes of the us and canada. people can't _ eyes of the us and canada. people can't quite — eyes of the us and canada. people can't quite understand. at least on some _ can't quite understand. at least on some size — can't quite understand. at least on some size of the political spectrum, what is _ some size of the political spectrum, what is going on. i think right now
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the thing — what is going on. i think right now the thing you are seeing the most is this or— the thing you are seeing the most is this or of— the thing you are seeing the most is this or of the way the uk has attributed the vaccines. i think that has— attributed the vaccines. i think that has it _ attributed the vaccines. i think that has it really dish eclipsed everything else. the uk is seen to be bumbling in everything, and that has dominated the discourse of the uk outside of the uk. | has dominated the discourse of the uk outside of the uk.— has dominated the discourse of the uk outside of the uk. i 'ust want to talk about the i uk outside of the uk. i 'ust want to talk about the whole i uk outside of the uk. i just want to talk about the whole fix _ uk outside of the uk. i just want to talk about the whole fix on - uk outside of the uk. i just want to talk about the whole fix on a i uk outside of the uk. i just want to j talk about the whole fix on a cyber, space and so on, isobel, because we have seen in recent years that has become a focus of real concern. does this paper give the uk and others enough protection? do you think that is enough focus from democratic nations on protecting ourselves on that front? it nations on protecting ourselves on that front? ., , . ., , ., ,, that front? it does certainly talk about an investment _ that front? it does certainly talk about an investment and - that front? it does certainly talk i about an investment and commitment to developing capacity. britain is no slouch when it comes to side bar, but who does need investment. historically, we have underinvestment in the whole science and technology area. we are very good at inventing and a very bad at
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supporting inventions to market, and there for retaining the value of them. there are quite structural issues you have ordered him to have the kind of domestic resilience that it's going to need to cope with being adrift is a small, medium—sized power in a very contentious world. we are going to need a lot of attention... and it is not straightforward to say that we can just put material interest ahead of human rights when it comes to china, because we also proclaim to be close friends with the us, which is involved in a systemic confrontation. when it comes to choosing, and there will be moments when we have to choose, what will britain choose? we are sending an aircraft carrier to the far east. what's going to do? would it defend taiwan? is itjust doing freedom of operations in the south china sea? well, you know, china doesn't that either. all these choices were,
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repeatedly, and i don't get the sense from this paper that the direction is clear a enough for us to make those decisions properly. jeffrey, that has been one criticism— that the uk has been making decisions on an issue to issue basis as they arrive rather than having a definite and clear strategy. j than having a definite and clear strate: . ~ ,., than having a definite and clear strate: . ~' ~ than having a definite and clear strate: . ~ . ., ,, strategy. i think so. we talked earlier about _ strategy. i think so. we talked earlier about having _ strategy. i think so. we talked earlier about having cake i strategy. i think so. we talked earlier about having cake and l strategy. i think so. we talked i earlier about having cake and eating it. earlier about having cake and eating it yes. _ earlier about having cake and eating it yes. we — earlier about having cake and eating it. yes, we want a global presence, but we _ it. yes, we want a global presence, but we are — it. yes, we want a global presence, but we are cutting foreign aid are not meeting our targets. we want to be a power— not meeting our targets. we want to be a power on the national stage, but we _ be a power on the national stage, but we are — be a power on the national stage, but we are going to diminish our military— but we are going to diminish our military here in the uk. it is a kind— military here in the uk. it is a kind of— military here in the uk. it is a kind of wistfulness of want to be and what — kind of wistfulness of want to be and what we willing to be.- and what we willing to be. lyse, that is still— and what we willing to be. lyse, that is still a _ and what we willing to be. lyse, that is still a lot _ and what we willing to be. lyse, that is still a lot of _ and what we willing to be. lyse, that is still a lot of detail - and what we willing to be. lyse, that is still a lot of detail to i that is still a lot of detail to come out on defence budgets and so on. one political question raised is whether this global britain idea can be linked with levelling up. this conservative government here has got a huge mandate and is trying to
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shift the dial and bring the public with it, obviously. it’s shift the dial and bring the public with it, obviously.— with it, obviously. it's a huge challenge- — with it, obviously. it's a huge challenge. it's _ with it, obviously. it's a huge challenge. it's a _ with it, obviously. it's a huge challenge. it's a huge - with it, obviously. it's a huge i challenge. it's a huge challenge for every— challenge. it's a huge challenge for every single — challenge. it's a huge challenge for every single country— challenge. it's a huge challenge for every single country coming - challenge. it's a huge challenge for every single country coming out i challenge. it's a huge challenge for every single country coming out ofl every single country coming out of this global— every single country coming out of this global pandemic. _ every single country coming out of this global pandemic. with- every single country coming out of this global pandemic. with europe reeling _ this global pandemic. with europe reeling from — this global pandemic. with europe reeling from a _ this global pandemic. with europe reeling from a third _ this global pandemic. with europe reeling from a third wave, - this global pandemic. with europe reeling from a third wave, no i this global pandemic. with europe reeling from a third wave, no one i this global pandemic. with europe. reeling from a third wave, no one is out of— reeling from a third wave, no one is out of the _ reeling from a third wave, no one is out of the woods _ reeling from a third wave, no one is out of the woods yet, _ reeling from a third wave, no one is out of the woods yet, no _ reeling from a third wave, no one is out of the woods yet, no one - reeling from a third wave, no one is out of the woods yet, no one knows yet what _ out of the woods yet, no one knows yet what is — out of the woods yet, no one knows yet what is going _ out of the woods yet, no one knows yet what is going to _ out of the woods yet, no one knows yet what is going to be _ out of the woods yet, no one knows yet what is going to be the - out of the woods yet, no one knowsl yet what is going to be the economic impact _ yet what is going to be the economic impact of— yet what is going to be the economic impact of this — yet what is going to be the economic impact of this pandemic _ yet what is going to be the economic impact of this pandemic and - yet what is going to be the economic impact of this pandemic and where l impact of this pandemic and where that is— impact of this pandemic and where that is going — impact of this pandemic and where that is going to— impact of this pandemic and where that is going to really— impact of this pandemic and where that is going to really have - impact of this pandemic and where that is going to really have to i impact of this pandemic and where that is going to really have to cut. that is going to really have to cut emissions — that is going to really have to cut emissions down _ that is going to really have to cut emissions down to _ that is going to really have to cut emissions down to size. - that is going to really have to cut emissions down to size. jeffrey l emissions down to size. jeffrey mentioned _ emissions down to size. jeffrey mentioned the _ emissions down to size. jeffrey mentioned the cut _ emissions down to size. jeffrey mentioned the cut in _ emissions down to size. jeffrey mentioned the cut in at - emissions down to size. jeffrey mentioned the cut in at the i emissions down to size. jeffrey mentioned the cut in at the aid j mentioned the cut in at the aid budget — mentioned the cut in at the aid budget boris— mentioned the cut in at the aid budget. borisjohnson - mentioned the cut in at the aid budget. boris johnson said i mentioned the cut in at the aid j budget. borisjohnson said this mentioned the cut in at the aid i budget. borisjohnson said this is temporary, — budget. borisjohnson said this is temporary. when _ budget. borisjohnson said this is temporary, when we _ budget. borisjohnson said this is temporary, when we return - budget. borisjohnson said this is temporary, when we return to i budget. borisjohnson said this is i temporary, when we return to fiscal strength _ temporary, when we return to fiscal strength we — temporary, when we return to fiscal strength we will— temporary, when we return to fiscal strength we will resume _ temporary, when we return to fiscal strength we will resume our- temporary, when we return to fiscal strength we will resume our role. i temporary, when we return to fiscalj strength we will resume our role. in the aid _ strength we will resume our role. in the aid community, _ strength we will resume our role. in the aid community, britain- strength we will resume our role. in the aid community, britain has- the aid community, britain has always— the aid community, britain has always been— the aid community, britain has always been seen _ the aid community, britain has always been seen as _ the aid community, britain has always been seen as a - the aid community, britain has always been seen as a leader. the aid community, britain has- always been seen as a leader when it comes— always been seen as a leader when it comes to _ always been seen as a leader when it comes to funding _ always been seen as a leader when it comes to funding of— always been seen as a leader when it comes to funding of education - always been seen as a leader when it comes to funding of education to i comes to funding of education to places— comes to funding of education to places like — comes to funding of education to places like yemen, _ comes to funding of education to places like yemen, where - comes to funding of education to places like yemen, where at i comes to funding of education to places like yemen, where at the | comes to funding of education to i places like yemen, where at the age has been _ places like yemen, where at the age has been cut— places like yemen, where at the age has been cut by— places like yemen, where at the age has been cut by nearly _ places like yemen, where at the age has been cut by nearly 50%. - places like yemen, where at the age has been cut by nearly 50%. two i has been cut by nearly 50%. two thirds _ has been cut by nearly 50%. two thirds of— has been cut by nearly 50%. two thirds of aid _ has been cut by nearly 50%. two thirds of aid to _ has been cut by nearly 50%. two thirds of aid to syria _ has been cut by nearly 50%. two thirds of aid to syria has - has been cut by nearly 50%. two thirds of aid to syria has been i has been cut by nearly 50%. two i thirds of aid to syria has been cut. if thirds of aid to syria has been cut. if you _ thirds of aid to syria has been cut. if you lose — thirds of aid to syria has been cut. if you lose that _ thirds of aid to syria has been cut. if you lose that reputation, - thirds of aid to syria has been cut. if you lose that reputation, that i if you lose that reputation, that standing — if you lose that reputation, that standing if _ if you lose that reputation, that standing if you _ if you lose that reputation, that standing if you like, _ if you lose that reputation, that standing if you like, do- if you lose that reputation, that standing if you like, do you i if you lose that reputation, that| standing if you like, do you ever return _ standing if you like, do you ever return to — standing if you like, do you ever return to it? _ standing if you like, do you ever return to it? is _ standing if you like, do you ever return to it? is it— standing if you like, do you ever return to it? is it possible - standing if you like, do you ever return to it? is it possible to-
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return to it? is it possible to return — return to it? is it possible to return to _ return to it? is it possible to return to it. _ return to it? is it possible to return to it, both _ return to it? is it possible to return to it, both in - return to it? is it possible to return to it, both in terms . return to it? is it possible to| return to it, both in terms of finances _ return to it, both in terms of finances and _ return to it, both in terms of finances and your— return to it, both in terms of finances and your global - return to it, both in terms of- finances and your global prestige? these _ finances and your global prestige? these are — finances and your global prestige? these are really— finances and your global prestige? these are really defining _ finances and your global prestige? i these are really defining moments. finances and your global prestige? . these are really defining moments. i these are really defining moments. [ .uess these are really defining moments. guess it's about the politics and votes are in for this government. whether people care about cutting aid or not. ., , whether people care about cutting aid or not. .,, . ., , aid or not. people were curious about that _ aid or not. people were curious about that. and _ aid or not. people were curious about that. and the _ aid or not. people were curious about that. and the vaccine, i aid or not. people were curious| about that. and the vaccine, no matter— about that. and the vaccine, no matter how _ about that. and the vaccine, no matter how much _ about that. and the vaccine, no matter how much talk - about that. and the vaccine, no matter how much talk about - about that. and the vaccine, no . matter how much talk about global public _ matter how much talk about global public good, — matter how much talk about global public good, you _ matter how much talk about global public good, you have _ matter how much talk about global public good, you have to _ matter how much talk about global public good, you have to make - matter how much talk about global| public good, you have to make sure that your _ public good, you have to make sure that your mother, _ public good, you have to make sure that your mother, your _ public good, you have to make sure i that your mother, your grandmother, your father, _ that your mother, your grandmother, your father. your— that your mother, your grandmother, your father, your street _ that your mother, your grandmother, your father, your street are _ your father, your street are vaccinated _ your father, your street are vaccinated first. _ your father, your street are vaccinated first. your- your father, your street are i vaccinated first. your voters. beautifully _ vaccinated first. your voters. beautifully linked _ vaccinated first. your voters. beautifully linked there - vaccinated first. your voters. beautifully linked there by i vaccinated first. your voters. i beautifully linked there by the vaccinated first. your voters. - beautifully linked there by the lyse because we are coming onto vaccines. the story of the astrazeneca vaccine surely shows how interlinked we all are. created in a uk university, with a british—swiss company, produced in bulk in india, with constituent parts from the us — the vaccine is in demand around the world, apart from those european nations who seem unsure whether they want to use it. europe is being hit by a third wave of covid, driven by the uk variant, yet seems unable to arrive at a coherent policy.
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jeffrey, has this suede year in terms of brexit?— jeffrey, has this suede year in terms of brexit? that's a cruel ruestion terms of brexit? that's a cruel question to — terms of brexit? that's a cruel question to ask! _ terms of brexit? that's a cruel question to ask! is _ terms of brexit? that's a cruel question to ask! is also - terms of brexit? that's a cruel question to ask! is also a - terms of brexit? that's a cruel question to ask! is also a fair. question to ask! is also a fair question _ question to ask! is also a fair question i— question to ask! is also a fair question. i think we have two acknowledge that the critics of europe — acknowledge that the critics of europe is really can point to what is going _ europe is really can point to what is going on— europe is really can point to what is going on now and say that this is an ungovernable beast, the european union, _ an ungovernable beast, the european union, 27_ an ungovernable beast, the european union, 27 member countries. but the eu itself— union, 27 member countries. but the eu itself is— union, 27 member countries. but the eu itself is not ie nation, and that's— eu itself is not ie nation, and that's what been exposed in at the absolute _ that's what been exposed in at the absolute failure to address the global— absolute failure to address the global pandemic and at the vaccine roll out— global pandemic and at the vaccine roll out in— global pandemic and at the vaccine roll out in an efficient manner. the caution, _ roll out in an efficient manner. the caution, the — roll out in an efficient manner. the caution, the bureaucracy, the lack of accountability and transparency— all of _ of accountability and transparency— all of these things which were part of the _ all of these things which were part of the brexit about have been exposed _ of the brexit about have been exposed. there is no question. we told him _ exposed. there is no question. we told him to— exposed. there is no question. we told him to about a look at four about _ told him to about a look at four about exercise your crises. i think
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europe _ about exercise your crises. i think europe has— about exercise your crises. i think europe has some hard questions to face about— europe has some hard questions to face about his own ability to deliver— face about his own ability to deliver what it can. it has so far failed _ deliver what it can. it has so far failed miserably and there is a huge amount— failed miserably and there is a huge amount of— failed miserably and there is a huge amount ofanger failed miserably and there is a huge amount of anger across europe about this. astrazeneca, ithink amount of anger across europe about this. astrazeneca, i think is also mixed _ this. astrazeneca, i think is also mixed with — this. astrazeneca, i think is also mixed with some anti—british politics— mixed with some anti—british politics because it came from oxford — politics because it came from oxford i_ politics because it came from oxford. i think there are some very mixed _ oxford. i think there are some very mixed up— oxford. i think there are some very mixed up medical ethics, some dubious— mixed up medical ethics, some dubious claims of a handful of deaths — dubious claims of a handful of deaths amongst millions of people should _ deaths amongst millions of people should trump the protection for tens of thousands who may otherwise die. isobel. _ of thousands who may otherwise die. isobel. we _ of thousands who may otherwise die. isobel, we are seeing all the fears around vaccine nationalisation coming out, yet the big countries, like china and india, are still distributing the vaccine. where is the right and wrong here? it shows in a way of wielding international power, doesn't it, if you are distributing vaccines? china, the
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bi . . est distributing vaccines? china, the bi est is distributing vaccines? china, the biggest is -- _ distributing vaccines? china, the biggest is -- the _ distributing vaccines? china, the biggest is -- the biggest - distributing vaccines? china, the l biggest is -- the biggest producer biggest is —— the biggest producer of pharmaceuticals until now has been india, but india is also under pressure to vaccinate its population. china has ramped up its production and is ditch omitting vaccines to a number of countries for up if you look at a country like chile, which has a high rate, it is also a chinese vaccine. it is having success in latin america, one or two countries and former eastern bloc of europe, but it has an extraordinarily low backs and eating right at home. this is partly because china had such a successful lockdown policy that the incidence of the violence is relatively low. within china's borders a lot of people are losing ballot normal lives and the demand for the vaccine is therefore relatively low in
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china. the problem for china is how would you maintain if you want to open your borders? that is the virtue of being able to return to normalcy, but that is the difficulty of not having much coming and going with the outside world for the foreseeable future because you haven't vaccinated depopulation. the way the chinese government has played it is that this is a bed for a global position in global pharmaceuticals, slightly at the expense of its own population. lyse. expense of its own population. lyse, some peeple — expense of its own population. lyse, some peeple will _ expense of its own population. lyse, some people will be _ expense of its own population. lyse, some people will be thinking that every country should be making their own vaccine, their own masks, their own vaccine, their own masks, their own health protection because we can't trust our neighbours to get is what we want. is that at all realistic, orare what we want. is that at all realistic, or are we way beyond because of globalisation? another one of those _ because of globalisation? another one of those defining _ because of globalisation? another one of those defining moments. l because of globalisation? another one of those defining moments. i | one of those defining moments. i think— one of those defining moments. i think if— one of those defining moments. i think if you — one of those defining moments. i think if you read _ one of those defining moments. i think if you read at _ one of those defining moments. i think if you read at the _ one of those defining moments. i think if you read at the who - one of those defining moments. i think if you read at the who or. think if you read at the who or another— think if you read at the who or another international— think if you read at the who or another international agency, i think if you read at the who or. another international agency, this too much — another international agency, this too much what _ another international agency, this too much what they— another international agency, this too much what they would - another international agency, this too much what they would say- another international agency, this| too much what they would say this another international agency, this i too much what they would say this is a test _ too much what they would say this is a test to— too much what they would say this is a test to the — too much what they would say this is a test to the world _ too much what they would say this is a test to the world to _ too much what they would say this is a test to the world to work— a test to the world to work together _ a test to the world to work together if— a test to the world to work
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together. if we _ a test to the world to work together. if we had - a test to the world to work together. if we had a - a test to the world to work- together. if we had a concerted coordinated _ together. if we had a concerted coordinated policy _ together. if we had a concerted coordinated policy around - together. if we had a concerted. coordinated policy around buying vaccines, — coordinated policy around buying vaccines, rather— coordinated policy around buying vaccines, rather than _ coordinated policy around buying vaccines, rather than a _ coordinated policy around buying vaccines, rather than a race - coordinated policy around buying vaccines, rather than a race to l coordinated policy around buying i vaccines, rather than a race to buy, wealthier— vaccines, rather than a race to buy, wealthier countries— vaccines, rather than a race to buy, wealthier countries paying - vaccines, rather than a race to buy, wealthier countries paying a - vaccines, rather than a race to buy, wealthier countries paying a lot- wealthier countries paying a lot more _ wealthier countries paying a lot more just— wealthier countries paying a lot more just so— wealthier countries paying a lot more just so they _ wealthier countries paying a lot more just so they could - wealthier countries paying a lot more just so they could more l wealthier countries paying a lotj more just so they could more it wealthier countries paying a lot- more just so they could more it has turned _ more just so they could more it has turned out — more just so they could more it has turned out to— more just so they could more it has turned out to be _ more just so they could more it has turned out to be a _ more just so they could more it has turned out to be a wise _ more just so they could more it has turned out to be a wise made - more just so they could more it has turned out to be a wise made by. more just so they could more it has turned out to be a wise made by a i turned out to be a wise made by a lot if— turned out to be a wise made by a lot if they— turned out to be a wise made by a lot if they had _ turned out to be a wise made by a lot if they had the _ turned out to be a wise made by a lot if they had the resources - turned out to be a wise made by a lot if they had the resources and i lot if they had the resources and the strategic— lot if they had the resources and the strategic thinking _ lot if they had the resources and the strategic thinking to - lot if they had the resources and the strategic thinking to do i lot if they had the resources and j the strategic thinking to do that. i'm the strategic thinking to do that. i'm from — the strategic thinking to do that. i'm from canada, _ the strategic thinking to do that. i'm from canada, and _ the strategic thinking to do that. i'm from canada, and canada i the strategic thinking to do that. i'm from canada, and canada isi i'm from canada, and canada is really— i'm from canada, and canada is really behind _ i'm from canada, and canada is really behind. it _ i'm from canada, and canada is really behind. it has— i'm from canada, and canada is really behind. it has not- i'm from canada, and canada is really behind. it has not been. i'm from canada, and canada is. really behind. it has not been able to buy— really behind. it has not been able to buy the — really behind. it has not been able to buy the vaccines _ really behind. it has not been able to buy the vaccines it _ really behind. it has not been able to buy the vaccines it that - really behind. it has not been able to buy the vaccines it that had i really behind. it has not been ablei to buy the vaccines it that had been manufactured — to buy the vaccines it that had been manufactured in _ to buy the vaccines it that had been manufactured in europe. _ to buy the vaccines it that had been manufactured in europe. people i to buy the vaccines it that had beenl manufactured in europe. people had been asking — manufactured in europe. people had been asking why— manufactured in europe. people had been asking why doses _ manufactured in europe. people had been asking why doses are - manufactured in europe. people had been asking why doses are not - manufactured in europe. people had| been asking why doses are not being manufactured — been asking why doses are not being manufactured in _ been asking why doses are not being manufactured in canada. _ been asking why doses are not being manufactured in canada. there - been asking why doses are not being manufactured in canada. there was. been asking why doses are not being | manufactured in canada. there was a leaked _ manufactured in canada. there was a leaked report — manufactured in canada. there was a leaked report calling _ manufactured in canada. there was a leaked report calling on— manufactured in canada. there was a leaked report calling on the - manufactured in canada. there was a leaked report calling on the w - manufactured in canada. there was a leaked report calling on the w chow. leaked report calling on the w chow to let _ leaked report calling on the w chow to let more — leaked report calling on the w chow to let more countries _ leaked report calling on the w chow to let more countries produce - leaked report calling on the w chowi to let more countries produce them. only about _ to let more countries produce them. only about a — to let more countries produce them. only about a third _ to let more countries produce them. only about a third of— to let more countries produce them. only about a third of the _ to let more countries produce them. only about a third of the vaccines i only about a third of the vaccines that are _ only about a third of the vaccines that are needed _ only about a third of the vaccines that are needed are _ only about a third of the vaccines that are needed are now- only about a third of the vaccines that are needed are now being i that are needed are now being produced _ that are needed are now being produced around _ that are needed are now being produced around the - that are needed are now being produced around the world. i that are needed are now being. produced around the world. the pharmaceutical— produced around the world. the pharmaceutical companies i produced around the world. the pharmaceutical companies are i produced around the world. the i pharmaceutical companies are saying that you _ pharmaceutical companies are saying that you have — pharmaceutical companies are saying that you have to _ pharmaceutical companies are saying that you have to have _ pharmaceutical companies are saying that you have to have protections, i that you have to have protections, you simply— that you have to have protections, you simply can _ that you have to have protections, you simply caniust_ that you have to have protections, you simply can just give _ that you have to have protections, you simply canjust give it - that you have to have protections, you simply can just give it to - you simply canjust give it to everyone _ you simply canjust give it to everyone to— you simply canjust give it to everyone. to which - you simply canjust give it to everyone. to which the i you simply can just give it to| everyone. to which the critics you simply can just give it to i everyone. to which the critics are saying _ everyone. to which the critics are saying billions— everyone. to which the critics are saying billions of— everyone. to which the critics are saying billions of public— everyone. to which the critics are saying billions of public money. everyone. to which the critics are. saying billions of public money has .one saying billions of public money has gone into— saying billions of public money has gone into the — saying billions of public money has gone into the production _ saying billions of public money has gone into the production of - saying billions of public money has gone into the production of these. gone into the production of these vaccines, — gone into the production of these vaccines, it— gone into the production of these vaccines, it is— gone into the production of these vaccines, it is unassailable - gone into the production of these vaccines, it is unassailable in- gone into the production of these vaccines, it is unassailable in a i vaccines, it is unassailable in a
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global— vaccines, it is unassailable in a global public— vaccines, it is unassailable in a global public good. _ vaccines, it is unassailable in a global public good. this - vaccines, it is unassailable in ai global public good. this vaccine issue. _ global public good. this vaccine issue. likely— global public good. this vaccine issue, likely coronavirus - global public good. this vaccine issue, likely coronavirus itself, i issue, likely coronavirus itself, has shone _ issue, likely coronavirus itself, has shone a _ issue, likely coronavirus itself, has shone a light _ issue, likely coronavirus itself, has shone a light on _ issue, likely coronavirus itself, has shone a light on so - issue, likely coronavirus itself, has shone a light on so many. issue, likely coronavirus itself, i has shone a light on so many ways issue, likely coronavirus itself, - has shone a light on so many ways in which _ has shone a light on so many ways in which the _ has shone a light on so many ways in which the world _ has shone a light on so many ways in which the world works _ has shone a light on so many ways in which the world works or— has shone a light on so many ways in which the world works or doesn't i which the world works or doesn't work _ which the world works or doesn't work. , ' , , , . work. jeffrey, will this be a new missile effectively- _ work. jeffrey, will this be a new missile effectively- who - work. jeffrey, will this be a new missile effectively- who can i work. jeffrey, will this be a new l missile effectively- who can help, missile effectively— who can help, who has got the manufacturing capacity on the health care front? i capacity on the health care front? i think there is no question that lyse said is— think there is no question that lyse said is correct. countries will start— said is correct. countries will start examining their own supply chain _ start examining their own supply chain. globalisation has failed in this case — chain. globalisation has failed in this case. countries will suddenly acknowledge or have to start to acknowledge or have to start to acknowledge that they need domestic capacity. _ acknowledge that they need domestic capacity, even if it is more expensive. the us can supply canada, but has _ expensive. the us can supply canada, but has until— expensive. the us can supply canada, but has until this week refused to -ive but has until this week refused to give canada at the doses that it needs — give canada at the doses that it needs. carried us out of its domestic— needs. carried us out of its domestic manufacturing in the 1980s and to— domestic manufacturing in the 1980s and to thousands and is now rapidly scrambling — and to thousands and is now rapidly scrambling to build its own supply chain _ scrambling to build its own supply chain that — scrambling to build its own supply chain. that is going to happen in europe _ chain. that is going to happen in europe and — chain. that is going to happen in europe and in countries across the boat out _
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europe and in countries across the boat out in — europe and in countries across the boat out in countries that can afford — boat out in countries that can afford it _ boat out in countries that can afford it. ~ ., boat out in countries that can afford it. ~ . ., boat out in countries that can afford it. . ., boat out in countries that can afford it. ~ . . , ., . ., ., afford it. we have a short amount of time to ask — afford it. we have a short amount of time to ask everybody _ afford it. we have a short amount of time to ask everybody for _ afford it. we have a short amount of time to ask everybody for a - afford it. we have a short amount of time to ask everybody for a story i time to ask everybody for a story that caught their eye that we might have missed. this that caught their eye that we might have missed-— have missed. this is 20 years since the attack of _ have missed. this is 20 years since the attack of september _ have missed. this is 20 years since the attack of september 11. - the attack of september 11. historically, _ the attack of september 11. historically, 20 _ the attack of september 11. historically, 20 years - the attack of september 11. historically, 20 years on, l the attack of september 11. . historically, 20 years on, the the attack of september 11. i historically, 20 years on, the us are trying — historically, 20 years on, the us are trying to _ historically, 20 years on, the us are trying to get _ historically, 20 years on, the us are trying to get out _ historically, 20 years on, the us are trying to get out of - historically, 20 years on, the us. are trying to get out of afghanistan when _ are trying to get out of afghanistan when the _ are trying to get out of afghanistan when the taliban _ are trying to get out of afghanistan when the taliban is _ are trying to get out of afghanistan when the taliban is on— are trying to get out of afghanistan when the taliban is on the - are trying to get out of afghanistan when the taliban is on the brink i are trying to get out of afghanistan when the taliban is on the brink of| when the taliban is on the brink of power _ when the taliban is on the brink of power there _ when the taliban is on the brink of power. there was _ when the taliban is on the brink of power. there was a _ when the taliban is on the brink of power. there was a meeting - when the taliban is on the brink of power. there was a meeting in- power. there was a meeting in moscow. — power. there was a meeting in moscow. there _ power. there was a meeting in moscow, there will— power. there was a meeting in moscow, there will be - power. there was a meeting in moscow, there will be a - power. there was a meeting in. moscow, there will be a meeting power. there was a meeting in- moscow, there will be a meeting in turkey— moscow, there will be a meeting in turkey next— moscow, there will be a meeting in turkey next month. _ moscow, there will be a meeting in turkey next month. the _ moscow, there will be a meeting in turkey next month. the us - moscow, there will be a meeting in turkey next month. the us is i moscow, there will be a meeting ini turkey next month. the us is trying to excel— turkey next month. the us is trying to excel at— turkey next month. the us is trying to excel at a — turkey next month. the us is trying to excel at a policy— turkey next month. the us is trying to excel at a policy of— turkey next month. the us is trying to excel at a policy of dignified i to excel at a policy of dignified peace, — to excel at a policy of dignified peace, dignified _ to excel at a policy of dignified peace, dignified withdrawal. i to excel at a policy of dignified i peace, dignified withdrawal. but it is not _ peace, dignified withdrawal. but it is not getting _ peace, dignified withdrawal. but it is not getting the _ peace, dignified withdrawal. but it is not getting the attention - peace, dignified withdrawal. but it is not getting the attention it i is not getting the attention it deserves _ is not getting the attention it deserves-— is not getting the attention it deserves. ' , . �* , deserves. jeffrey, what's caught oure e deserves. jeffrey, what's caught your eye that — deserves. jeffrey, what's caught your eye that we _ deserves. jeffrey, what's caught your eye that we really - deserves. jeffrey, what's caught your eye that we really should i deserves. jeffrey, what's caught i your eye that we really should have been talking about? it is your eye that we really should have been talking about?— been talking about? it is being talked about _ been talking about? it is being talked about in _ been talking about? it is being talked about in the _ been talking about? it is being talked about in the us, - been talking about? it is being talked about in the us, but i i been talking about? it is being i talked about in the us, but i think not so _ talked about in the us, but i think not so much he had. that is the calm on the _ not so much he had. that is the calm on the us— not so much he had. that is the calm on the us political front. this is day 60 — on the us political front. this is day 60 of— on the us political front. this is day 60 of the abiding presidency, and what — day 60 of the abiding presidency, and what the difference. they widely temperature it has been brought
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down, _ temperature it has been brought down, the tread that biden is the it top, he _ down, the tread that biden is the it top, he has — down, the tread that biden is the it top, he has done so much in 60 days, and yet _ top, he has done so much in 60 days, and yet he _ top, he has done so much in 60 days, and yet he has — top, he has done so much in 60 days, and yet he has shared his ego in the process _ and yet he has shared his ego in the rocess. ~ ., ., and yet he has shared his ego in the rocess. ~ . . , . , process. what a difference. isobel, the idea of— process. what a difference. isobel, the idea of the _ process. what a difference. isobel, the idea of the borders- _ process. what a difference. isobel, the idea of the borders- abiding i the idea of the borders— abiding linkage. do you think that will get any traction going forward? [10 linkage. do you think that will get any traction going forward? do you think that is _ any traction going forward? do you think that is going _ any traction going forward? do you think that is going to _ any traction going forward? do you think that is going to improve i any traction going forward? do you think that is going to improve to... morris seems to belong to a different political era than biden. how is the uk scene? is the tether is that going to be a personality clash r is everyone going to be pragmatic?— pragmatic? they won't be a personality _ pragmatic? they won't be a personality clash, _ pragmatic? they won't be a personality clash, that - pragmatic? they won't be a | personality clash, that won't pragmatic? they won't be a - personality clash, that won't be the hostility _ personality clash, that won't be the hostility we have seen in the previous _ hostility we have seen in the previous regime towards some countries _ previous regime towards some countries. but i wouldn't want to
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overstate — countries. but i wouldn't want to overstate it either. they are very different — overstate it either. they are very different culturally. biden has a view_ different culturally. biden has a view left — different culturally. biden has a view left since his presidency. given— view left since his presidency. given his _ view left since his presidency. given his track record, he is much more _ given his track record, he is much more progressive than boris ever wants— more progressive than boris ever wants to — more progressive than boris ever wants to be. politically, culturally, they are very different people — culturally, they are very different people i — culturally, they are very different --eole. , , ., , culturally, they are very different --eole. , , . people. i bring you the news that north korea _ people. i bring you the news that north korea hasn't— people. i bring you the news that north korea hasn't gone - people. i bring you the news that north korea hasn't gone away. i people. i bring you the news that | north korea hasn't gone away. we have seen at the exchange of rhetoric, but i had been aware until i picked up on the story that there has been a fantastic drain out of north korea of aid workers, diplomats of every stripe. one russian diplomat left north korea on a hand crank trolley because it was the only way they could get across the only way they could get across the border. the isolation is deepening, the food crisis is getting worse. that usually means north korea is going to rattle is
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crazy. north korea is going to rattle is cra . , , �* , north korea is going to rattle is cra . y, . ., crazy. lyse, it's amazing that brexit and — crazy. lyse, it's amazing that brexit and covid _ crazy. lyse, it's amazing that brexit and covid have - crazy. lyse, it's amazing that brexit and covid have groundl crazy. lyse, it's amazing that - brexit and covid have ground out our focus on are so many corners of the world? it focus on are so many corners of the world? . . . focus on are so many corners of the world? , , . ., i. world? it begins at home. everyone has had to focus _ world? it begins at home. everyone has had to focus on _ world? it begins at home. everyone has had to focus on that _ world? it begins at home. everyone has had to focus on that bubble, - world? it begins at home. everyone has had to focus on that bubble, on| has had to focus on that bubble, on the lockdown — has had to focus on that bubble, on the lockdown. everyone _ has had to focus on that bubble, on the lockdown. everyone has- has had to focus on that bubble, on the lockdown. everyone has been. the lockdown. everyone has been looking _ the lockdown. everyone has been looking inwards, _ the lockdown. everyone has been looking inwards, but _ the lockdown. everyone has been looking inwards, but every - the lockdown. everyone has been looking inwards, but every time i the lockdown. everyone has been. looking inwards, but every time the peak out _ looking inwards, but every time the peak out the — looking inwards, but every time the peak out the door, _ looking inwards, but every time the peak out the door, they _ looking inwards, but every time the peak out the door, they realise - looking inwards, but every time the peak out the door, they realise that their health — peak out the door, they realise that their health and _ peak out the door, they realise that their health and the _ peak out the door, they realise that their health and the wealth - peak out the door, they realise that| their health and the wealth depends on the _ their health and the wealth depends on the state — their health and the wealth depends on the state of— their health and the wealth depends on the state of the _ their health and the wealth depends on the state of the world. _ their health and the wealth depends on the state of the world. no - their health and the wealth depends on the state of the world. no one i their health and the wealth depends on the state of the world. no one is| on the state of the world. no one is safe until— on the state of the world. no one is safe until everyone _ on the state of the world. no one is safe until everyone is— on the state of the world. no one is safe until everyone is safe, - on the state of the world. no one isl safe until everyone is safe, whether it's safe until everyone is safe, whether its health. — safe until everyone is safe, whether it's health, science, _ safe until everyone is safe, whether it's health, science, and _ safe until everyone is safe, whether it's health, science, and military- it's health, science, and military matters — it's health, science, and military matters we _ it's health, science, and military matters. we are _ it's health, science, and military matters. we are all _ it's health, science, and military matters. we are all inextricablyl matters. we are all inextricably linked, — matters. we are all inextricably linked, for— matters. we are all inextricably linked, for better— matters. we are all inextricably linked, for better or— matters. we are all inextricably linked, for better or for- matters. we are all inextricably linked, for better or for worse. i linked, for better or for worse. right _ linked, for better or for worse. right now. _ linked, for better or for worse. right now. it— linked, for better or for worse. right now, it seems _ linked, for better or for worse. right now, it seems for- linked, for better or for worse. right now, it seems for the . linked, for better or for worse. - right now, it seems for the worse, but it— right now, it seems for the worse, but it is— right now, it seems for the worse, but it is not— right now, it seems for the worse, but it is not over— right now, it seems for the worse, but it is not over yet. _ right now, it seems for the worse, but it is not over yet.— but it is not over yet. jeffrey, isobel, but it is not over yet. jeffrey, isobel. ten — but it is not over yet. jeffrey, isobel, ten seconds - but it is not over yet. jeffrey, isobel, ten seconds each. - but it is not over yet. jeffrey, isobel, ten seconds each. as| but it is not over yet. jeffrey, - isobel, ten seconds each. as almost a year since lockdown here. one sentence on how it's been for you. listen, i think for me, what's really— listen, i think for me, what's really interesting is how the role of government has changed. i think
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that the _ of government has changed. i think that the attack on government and the push _ that the attack on government and the push to diminish governments in our world _ the push to diminish governments in our world really has been paused, because _ our world really has been paused, because we see that the only solution _ because we see that the only solution to something of the scale is government involvement. the successes— is government involvement. the successes around the world are really _ successes around the world are really about governments that have addressed this head on. it is not a private—sector solution. i addressed this head on. it is not a private-sector solution.— private-sector solution. i have no complaints. _ private-sector solution. i have no complaints, except _ private-sector solution. i have no complaints, except like _ private-sector solution. i have no complaints, except like everyone| complaints, except like everyone else, it's been two days. but i am very curious to see how much of the life we had before covid actually returns. i think we are in a huge transition. 50, returns. i think we are in a huge transition. so, let's see.- transition. so, let's see. crises brina transition. so, let's see. crises bring opportunities, _ transition. so, let's see. crises bring opportunities, as - transition. so, let's see. crises bring opportunities, as well. i transition. so, let's see. crises| bring opportunities, as well. it's for all— bring opportunities, as well. it's for all of— bring opportunities, as well. it's for all of us _ bring opportunities, as well. it's for all of us to _ bring opportunities, as well. it's for all of us to season. - bring opportunities, as well. it's for all of us to season.— bring opportunities, as well. it's for all of us to season. thank you very much _ for all of us to season. thank you very much indeed _ for all of us to season. thank you very much indeed for— for all of us to season. thank you very much indeed forjoining - for all of us to season. thank you very much indeed forjoining us i very much indeed forjoining us today, very grateful to you. shaun ley is here next week, but from me — thanks for watching and bye for now.
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hello there. it's the spring equinox todau, and whilst many will be cloudy and rather cool there will be a little bit of sunshine to warm things up for some of you. high pressure still in charge, it has slipped a bit further southwards. with that, winds from the north and west instead of from the east, and that's going to have a big difference to some areas because, crucially, the sea temperatures around the uk are at their coldest at the moment. to get the wind off the sea, it is going to feel chilly. certainly, it was a chilly day across eastern england yesterday with the wind coming off the north sea. today, though, with the winds from the north—west, it's here where the best of the cloud breaks will be. the same, too, in south—east scotland, where the highest of the temperatures will be.
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we will see some sunshine return later to orkney, shetland and the far north of scotland after a wet and windy spell, sunshine continues in the south across the channel islands. here, with the wind off that chilly sea, just 9 degrees. 14—17 possible in some parts of north—east england. this is where the peak of today's warmth will be. moving away from western scotland, where it was yesterday. that's all due to that shift in wind direction, which will now go tonight into more of a northerly direction, pushing patchy rain and drizzle southwards through scotland, northern ireland, into northern england, wales, and by the end of the night across the midlands too. with clear skies in its wake and that chilly air in place, it's going to be a colder night than last night across the northern half of the country. could see temperatures low enough for a touch of frost in one oi’ two areas. mild enough in the south, lots of cloud here, damp, drizzly. quite a murky start to the day for some of you, particularly around the hills. the rain and the drizzle will ease of, becoming confined to the channel islands. the far west of cornwall, skies will brighten. more cloud into the far north of scotland, with a few spots of rain.
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elsewhere, a better chance of a bit of sunshine on sunday afternoon. temperatures will be down a little bit, we have got a slightly colder air mass in place. probably the highest of the temperatures this time south—west midlands, south—west england and across south wales. but with the colder air by and large in place and some clearer through sunday night, monday morning could be a chilly night. gardeners, take note. there could be a little bit of frost around as we head into the start of the new week. the new week will start with high pressure in place, so we start dry. but as that starts to push its way southwards, we open the door to the atlantic winds, and that will bring more cloud and some wet and windy weatherfor some of you, particularly for scotland and northern ireland, as our outlook for next week show rain will be developing at times. further south, all that was drier and always a little bit milder. that's how it is looking. i'll see you again soon.
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this is bbc news — these are the latest headlines in the uk and around the world. organisers of this summer's tokyo olympics and parlympics say no international fans will be allowed because of concerns over the coronavirus pandemic. europe braces itself for a third wave of coronavirus infections — with fresh lockdowns in france and poland. reaching a milestone — as borisjohnson gets his jab, the government announce half of all adults in the uk have been vaccinated. a volcano erupts south—west of iceland's capital reykjavik. learning languages in lockdown — the boom in the number of people learning welsh, notjust in the uk but around the world. the former leeds and scotland footballer peter lorimer has died at the age of 7a after a long illness.

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