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this is bbc news —welcome to our viewers on pbs in america, in the uk and around the globe. the votes will soon be coming in, the outcome all but certain. donald trump looks set to go down in history as the only american president to be impeached twice. a week to the day — even to the hour — since rioters stormed the capitol building, lawmakers are close to making it official. these are live pictures of the house chamber, where lawmakers are making their final statements before voting begins. republicans have been attacking the timing of the process, coming just a week before the inauguration. democrats say mr trump must go. we know that the president of the united states incited this insurrection, this armed rebellion against our country. he must go. he
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is a clear and present danger to the nation that we all love. at the moment, any member of this body gives— at the moment, any member of this body gives an impassioned speech, and a _ body gives an impassioned speech, and a lunatic fringe of their movement takes license from it, be prepared _ movement takes license from it, be prepared to — movement takes license from it, be prepared to answer to this new precedent that we established today. at the heart of the matter is whether donald trump bears direct responsibility for the attack on the us capitol. he's appealed for "no violence" in the last hour. mitch mcconnell has signaled that the senate won't pick up the articles of impeachment until after trump leaves office. so removalis not the end—game, but for democrats, accountability certainly is. the top—ranked us republican in the senate he won't call his colleagues back to take up impeachment before trump leaves office. also in the programme.... today's events are unfolding in a heavily—fortified us capital. it's been noted that there are currently more troops deployed in washington than in iraq and afghanistan combined. and what about out the rest of america? what are voters making of it all? we'll dissect the polls
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on what people make of impeachment and we will get the view from a trump supporter in wisconsin. hello i'm katty kay in washington, christian fraser is in london. it's not over until the gavel falls. but unless something shocking happens, president trump will have another black—mark next to his name in the history books. just over a year after the us house of representatives impeached these are the live pictures from the house of representatives. just over a year after the us house of representatives impeached donald trump for his dealings with ukraine, they are set to do so again. this time of course, it wasn't a phone—call behind closed doors, but a speech, on the national mall, in front of a crowd of his most dedicated supporters. what happened afterwards is burned into our collective memory. that was a week ago today.
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a week from now, joe biden will take the oath of office, and become the nation's 46th president. in a town rich in symbolism, the timing is hard to miss. we have a busy few hours ahead, so let's begin by hearing from the lawmakers who have been speaking today, for and against the impeachment. as my colleagues and i were being evacuated to safety, i never ever will forget what i saw when i looked into the eyes of those attackers right in the speakers lobby there. i saw evil, mr speaker. our country came under attack, not from a foreign nation, but from within. these were not protesters, these were not patriots, these were traitors, these were domestic terrorists, mr speaker. and we were acting under the orders of donald trump. 19 minutes, four years ago, - on inauguration dayjanuary 20, 2017,19 minutes into president. from's administration, at 12:19pm, 2017,19 minutes into president - trump's administration, at 12:19pm,
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the washington post headline was,"campaign to impeach i president trump has begun." and now with just one week left, they are still trying. _ in seven days, there will be i a peaceful transfer of power, just like there has been every other time in our country, _ but democrats are going to impeach president trump again. _ the president must be impeached, and i believe the president must be convicted by the senate, a constitutional remedy that will ensure that the republic will be safe from this man who is so resolutely determined to tier down the things that we hold dear and that hold us together. this is a reckless impeachment! this will only bring up the hate and fire more than ever before. for the most part, those were the divisions we have been hearing during this debate. democrats in favor of impeachments, republicans, by and large against it.
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the bbc�*s lebo diseko is on capitol hill and joins us now. you were there we could go, shot in the basement because the attack was going on in the cafeteria. you are not allowed in or out. he went up to capitol hill today, a few hours ago, what is the scene up there now? it felt quite surreal, having been here _ it felt quite surreal, having been here a _ it felt quite surreal, having been here a week ago, and spending all of those _ here a week ago, and spending all of those hours — here a week ago, and spending all of those hours on lock down and just watching — those hours on lock down and just watching all of the scenes that everybody around the world saw of the capital being attacked, and members of the house of representatives, lawmakers, just cowering, — representatives, lawmakers, just cowering, having to hide because they were — cowering, having to hide because they were under attack. so today, coming _ they were under attack. so today, coming up — they were under attack. so today, coming up here, there were a lot of troops _ coming up here, there were a lot of troops around, thousands actually patrottihg — troops around, thousands actually patrolling the grounds around the capitat _ patrolling the grounds around the capitat th — patrolling the grounds around the capital. in a way commit was a comfort— capital. in a way commit was a comfort to _ capital. in a way commit was a comfort to know there was an increase — comfort to know there was an increase in— comfort to know there was an increase in security, but it was also _ increase in security, but it was also quite _ increase in security, but it was also quite disconcerting that that is actually necessary here. of course, last year, republicans voted as one against the
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impeachment. that won't be the case this time. they won't be whipped to vote against into impeachments, and there are sig. configures breaking ranks come i want to play you what we have heard from the republican congressman. there is no excuse for president from's _ there is no excuse for president from's actions. he took an oath against — from's actions. he took an oath against enemies foreign and to make domestic. _ against enemies foreign and to make domestic, there was a domestic threat _ domestic, there was a domestic threat at — domestic, there was a domestic threat at the door of the capital last weekend he did nothing to stop it. last weekend he did nothing to stop it that— last weekend he did nothing to stop it that is— last weekend he did nothing to stop it. that is why with a heavy heart, and clear— it. that is why with a heavy heart, and clear resolve, i will vote yes on these — and clear resolve, i will vote yes on these articles of impeachment. the gentleman from ohio wishes to reserve _ so, he will be, i don't know, we will have to see what the figures are, but you wouldn't expect more than a dozen republicans will vote for the impeachment. it's not the
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floodgates open, but clearly some wrestling with their conscious. yes. wrestling with their conscious. yes, it's very moving _ wrestling with their conscious. yes, it's very moving hearing _ wrestling with their conscious. yes, it's very moving hearing his address. _ it's very moving hearing his address, actually, talking about what _ address, actually, talking about what happened last week here. in a moment— what happened last week here. in a moment -- — what happened last week here. in a moment —— at the moment, there are six are _ moment —— at the moment, there are six are public— moment —— at the moment, there are six are public and members of the house _ six are public and members of the house that— six are public and members of the house that said they will vote to impeach — house that said they will vote to impeach. we don't know whether that number— impeach. we don't know whether that number might increase. also really interesting — number might increase. also really interesting what we have heard from the senate. so the new york times is reporting _ the senate. so the new york times is reporting there could be as many as 20 republicans who are open to voting _ 20 republicans who are open to voting for— 20 republicans who are open to voting for impeachment. we don't know— voting for impeachment. we don't know that — voting for impeachment. we don't know that for sure i'll stop nobody has gone — know that for sure i'll stop nobody has gone on the record with that, but the _ has gone on the record with that, but the fact that that is something that has— but the fact that that is something that has been reported is very interesting. and also the fact that the top _ interesting. and also the fact that the top member of the republic and party in _ the top member of the republic and party in the senate has said that he is open _ party in the senate has said that he is open to— party in the senate has said that he is open to it — party in the senate has said that he is open to it. that was also reported _ is open to it. that was also reported in the new york times, mitch— reported in the new york times, mitch mcconnell, again, these things and up _ mitch mcconnell, again, these things and up in _ mitch mcconnell, again, these things and up in the newspapers by accident. _ and up in the newspapers by accident, as you said, there are briefings — accident, as you said, there are briefings. they have their ways of getting _ briefings. they have their ways of getting this to journalists, very different— getting this to journalists, very different from 13 months ago when donatd _ different from 13 months ago when
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donald trump was looking out impeachment the first time. for the moment, impeachment the first time. for the moment. thank— impeachment the first time. for the moment, thank you _ impeachment the first time. for the moment, thank you very _ impeachment the first time. for the moment, thank you very much - impeachment the first time. for the i moment, thank you very much indeed. we are watching events in the chamber. we expect the vote to begin over the course in the next hour and we will bring you to be getting a fat and keep you abreast of how the voting is going. fat and keep you abreast of how the voting is going-— voting is going. 5-10 minutes is what we are _ voting is going. 5-10 minutes is what we are hearing. _ voting is going. 5-10 minutes is what we are hearing. so - voting is going. 5-10 minutes is what we are hearing. so hang l voting is going. 5-10 minutes is - what we are hearing. so hang tight. we will keep across that. liz cheney is the third—highest ranking republican in the house, and the daughter, of course, of former vice daughter, of course, of formervice president daughter, of course, of former vice president dick cheney. she isjoined by the top republican on the homeland security, also calling for impeachment. so homeland security, also calling for impeachment-— homeland security, also calling for imeachment. ., ., ., , ., impeachment. so far, we do only have those six, impeachment. so far, we do only have those six. and — impeachment. so far, we do only have those six, and in _ impeachment. so far, we do only have those six, and in a _ impeachment. so far, we do only have those six, and in a strongly _ impeachment. so far, we do only have those six, and in a strongly worded - those six, and in a strongly worded statement, she said... john said...
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similar thoughts here. let's go to wisconsin and speak to van mobley, president of the village of teens fell. thank you very much forjoining the programme. i'm sure you've been watching. you are a politicaljunkie, you have been watching what's going on on capitol hill today, what do you make of it all? i capitol hill today, what do you make of it all? ~ �* , capitol hill today, what do you make of it all? ,, �*, ., of it all? i think it's more political _ of it all? i think it's more political theater. - of it all? i think it's more political theater. i'm - of it all? i think it's more i political theater. i'm among of it all? i think it's more - political theater. i'm among the group _ political theater. i'm among the group that thinks that the house and senate _ group that thinks that the house and senate should focus on the way forward — senate should focus on the way forward. in this case, i think i'm probably— forward. in this case, i think i'm probably with president biden. there are a tot _ probably with president biden. there
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are a tot of— probably with president biden. there are a lot of words that the president would like to accomplish, i president would like to accomplish, i know— president would like to accomplish, i know that — president would like to accomplish, i know that it's difficult for them to focus— i know that it's difficult for them to focus on more than one thing at once, _ to focus on more than one thing at once, so— to focus on more than one thing at once, so if— to focus on more than one thing at once, so if they had to choose, i would _ once, so if they had to choose, i would say — once, so if they had to choose, i would say how about a little help on the covid _ would say how about a little help on the covid issue. i know they've got some _ the covid issue. i know they've got some other— the covid issue. i know they've got some other things, and as a municipal— some other things, and as a municipal official, i like to troll for a _ municipal official, i like to troll for a little _ municipal official, i like to troll for a little infrastructure spending. i know that i got some out of the _ spending. i know that i got some out of the obama administration when they have — of the obama administration when they have their stimulus package. i sure would — they have their stimulus package. i sure would like to get some out of the biden— sure would like to get some out of the biden administration as well. do the biden administration as well. div: you the biden administration as well. you think the biden administration as well. drr you think the president should be held accountable, however, in some way for what happened last week? i way for what happened last week? i think the public opinion will make their decisions on that. i do not think— their decisions on that. i do not think that — their decisions on that. i do not think that his speech incited the violence — think that his speech incited the violence at the capital. you _ violence at the capital. you don't believe that? no, i do not. writes, not. — writes, because what not. writes, because what brou-ht those writes, because what brought those people to washington was, of course, the lie that the election was
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stolen. he incited them from the stage. he told them where to go, and a lot of democrats say today that he was ultimately responsible for what happened. was ultimately responsible for what ha ened. ~ was ultimately responsible for what hauened. ~ ., �* ., happened. well, i don't agree with that. i happened. well, i don't agree with that- ithink— happened. well, i don't agree with that. l think he — happened. well, i don't agree with that. i think he gave _ happened. well, i don't agree with that. i think he gave a _ happened. well, i don't agree with that. i think he gave a speech - happened. well, i don't agree with that. i think he gave a speech that| that. i think he gave a speech that is futi— that. i think he gave a speech that is full of— that. i think he gave a speech that is full of fury rhetoric, which is normat— is full of fury rhetoric, which is normal for— is full of fury rhetoric, which is normal for political speeches these days _ normal for political speeches these days but _ normal for political speeches these days. but he specifically said not to be _ days. but he specifically said not to be violent. and i think that a few people went down there and were viotent, _ few people went down there and were viotent, trut— few people went down there and were violent, but i think there's also guestions _ violent, but i think there's also questions to be asked and should be asked _ questions to be asked and should be asked about the security arrangements, and i myself, who is an elected — arrangements, and i myself, who is an elected municipal official would like to— an elected municipal official would like to know what percentage of the capitot— like to know what percentage of the capitol hill police department was on duty— capitol hill police department was on duty during that day, and i would also like _ on duty during that day, and i would also like to— on duty during that day, and i would also like to know at what time precisely— also like to know at what time precisely that they began to break into some — precisely that they began to break into some of the capital offices and facilities _ into some of the capital offices and facilities. ., , into some of the capital offices and facilities. .,, , ., facilities. the most senior republican _ facilities. the most senior republican on _ facilities. the most senior republican on the - facilities. the most senior republican on the hill, i facilities. the most senior i republican on the hill, mitch mcconnell, the majority senate leader, is in favor of impeachment. he's let that be known over the last
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24 he's let that be known over the last 2a hours. partly because he think this is a way to purge the party of trumpets on. do you think, given the voices in favor of impeachment that we have heard within the republican party today that the political grounds in the partier shifting? now. i think that mitch mcconnell, welcome _ now. i think that mitch mcconnell, welcome i— now. i think that mitch mcconnell, welcome i don't know what mitch mcconnell thinks. welcome i don't know what mitch mcconnellthinks. he hasn't welcome i don't know what mitch mcconnell thinks. he hasn't told me, and i mcconnell thinks. he hasn't told me, and i don't _ mcconnell thinks. he hasn't told me, and i don't necessarily always agree with what— and i don't necessarily always agree with what i— and i don't necessarily always agree with what i hear, because in a situation _ with what i hear, because in a situation like this in particular, as you — situation like this in particular, as you well know, people are just talking _ as you well know, people are just talking. they are excited. i kind of think— talking. they are excited. i kind of think that — talking. they are excited. i kind of think that we should move forward, otherwise _ think that we should move forward, otherwise we will all turn into a pillar— otherwise we will all turn into a pillar of— otherwise we will all turn into a pillar of salt. otherwise we will all turn into a pillar of salt-— otherwise we will all turn into a pillar of salt. you will never turn into a pillar— pillar of salt. you will never turn into a pillar of— pillar of salt. you will never turn into a pillar of salt. _ into a pillar of salt. i am running for election again, but i'm i am running for election again, but i'm running — i am running for election again, but i'm running unopposed. the i am running for election again, but i'm running unopposed.— i am running for election again, but i'm running unopposed. the best way to run. i thank you will win that. i to run. i thank ou will win that. ~ i thank you will win that. i think so! i i thank you will win that. i think so! i think _ i thank you will win that. i think so! i think i _ i thank you will win that. i think so! ithink i will— i thank you will win that. i think so! i think i will do _ i thank you will win that. i think so! i think i will do a _ i thank you will win that. i think
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so! i think i will do a good - i thank you will win that. i think so! i think i will do a good job. i thank you will win that. i think. so! i think i will do a good job for the people — so! i think i will do a good job for the people in the village. get so! i think i will do a good 'ob for the people in the village._ the people in the village. get to have ou the people in the village. get to have you on _ the people in the village. get to have you on the _ the people in the village. get to have you on the programme. i the people in the village. get to - have you on the programme. thinks ve much have you on the programme. thinks very much for— have you on the programme. thinks very much forjoining _ have you on the programme. thinks very much forjoining us _ have you on the programme. thinks very much forjoining us there - have you on the programme. thinks very much forjoining us there from | very much forjoining us there from wisconsin. the eagle item amongst you might have spotted, christian can ensure you notice this, because this is the kind of thing you notice, that nancy pelosi was wearing the same outfit that she were the first time donald trump was impeached, that dress, exactly. i had a chance to speak to her briefly this morning and she said that she was still in some kind of shocked, as were many members, and they are still clearly furious about what happened. and if you had said to her a week ago that she was going to go, and within a week, there would be the attack on the capital and then a second impeachment of donald trump, she said shejust never impeachment of donald trump, she said she just never would've believed it. things are moving incredibly fast. i believed it. things are moving incredibly fast.— believed it. things are moving incredibl fast. ., incredibly fast. i thought the most si . nificant incredibly fast. i thought the most significant comments _ incredibly fast. i thought the most significant comments today, - significant comments today, actually, came from some people who don't support impeachment but nonetheless had their own thoughts about president from's role in all of this, and that was the minority leader, kevin mccarthy. the election
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was lost, he said, and the president had some responsibility and what unfolded. that was quite a significant breakfor a unfolded. that was quite a significant break for a senior republican who has been very, very close to the president. yes. republican who has been very, very close to the president.— close to the president. yes, it's interesting- _ close to the president. yes, it's interesting. because _ close to the president. yes, it's interesting. because the - close to the president. yes, it's - interesting. because the democrats argument is notjust what trump said on that stage last wednesday when he told the rioters to go down to capitol hill and carry on fighting. their argument has been that it's been the weeks of people like kevin mccarthy undermining the election process and saying that the election was fraudulent and spreading that disinformation that the election was stolen. and that was the kind of fuel that stoked the flames of last wednesday. yeah, last wednesday was the spark, but what really lit it up... so him saying that the election was lost or that it was lost, is that key? lost or that it was lost, is that ke ? ~ , , ~ key? well, i guess, ithink democrats _ key? well, i guess, ithink democrats would - key? well, i guess, ithink democrats would say, - key? well, i guess, ithink democrats would say, if i key? well, i guess, ithink| democrats would say, if he key? well, i guess, i think- democrats would say, if he had said that back
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in november that the election was lost, that would've been one think i'm about to say it now after you've had the attack on the capital, it's a little late, and that's why they are pushing ahead with what they are seeing now. last week's siege of the capital was obviously a huge security failure as well, and it's still far from clear how they were tasked with protecting and did that so wrong. they had advanced warning of what was coming, but the intelligence wasn't acted upon. ——it�*s still far from clear how the agencies tasked with protecting the capitol buildings got it so wrong. as we reported yesterday the fbi had advance warning of the trouble that was coming but the intelligence wasn't acted upon. frank figliuzzi is a former fbi assistant director and author of a new book — the fbi way: inside the bureau's code of excellence. he joins us from tucson, arizona. thank you very much forjoining us. it's now been a week since the attack. how much closer rb to knowing who is responsible for the security failure that we saw last week? , . ., , ., week? there is certainly enough blame to go _ week? there is certainly enough blame to go around _ week? there is certainly enough blame to go around the - week? there is certainly enough blame to go around the entire i blame to go around the entire district — blame to go around the entire district of columbia, and law
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enforcement agencies. i have been calling _ enforcement agencies. i have been calling this — enforcement agencies. i have been calling this not so much a failure of intelligence, but rather a failure _ of intelligence, but rather a failure to act upon available intelligence. even armchair analysts sitting _ intelligence. even armchair analysts sitting at— intelligence. even armchair analysts sitting at home have watched this play out _ sitting at home have watched this play out over the last couple of weeks — play out over the last couple of weeks on — play out over the last couple of weeks on their social media feeds. and we _ weeks on their social media feeds. and we have learned through reporting from various american outlets — reporting from various american outlets that the fbi did provide intelligence about those concerns to capitol— intelligence about those concerns to capitol police to the washington metropolitan police as did the nypd intelligence unit provide similar intelligence, but the passing of paper— intelligence, but the passing of paper through various task forces clearly— paper through various task forces clearly was not enough for this tevet— clearly was not enough for this level of— clearly was not enough for this level of a — clearly was not enough for this level of a threat. then we have many questions _ level of a threat. then we have many questions of — level of a threat. then we have many questions of why the capitol police chose _ questions of why the capitol police chose not — questions of why the capitol police chose not sufficient tactical resources to have a defensible perimeter. i'm concerned that this goes _ perimeter. i'm concerned that this goes above — perimeter. i'm concerned that this goes above and beyond the capital police _ goes above and beyond the capital police. we will have hearings, we will get _ police. we will have hearings, we will get answers, but while we are seeking _ will get answers, but while we are seeking answers, law enforcement is trying _ seeking answers, law enforcement is trying to— seeking answers, law enforcement is trying to protect the country and
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prepare — trying to protect the country and prepare for the inauguration. the fed said prepare for the inauguration. tie: fed said yesterday that prepare for the inauguration. ti2 fed said yesterday that we prepare for the inauguration. t'i2 fed said yesterday that we are prepare for the inauguration. ti2 fed said yesterday that we are going to be shocked when we hear the details of the investigation, i think, to be honest, most of us are shocked already. we know there were pipe bombs with timing devices. there were long guns, people carrying zip tie handcuffs, people carrying zip tie handcuffs, people carrying the parts for a makeshift gallows. that was no ordinary protest. when you look at all that detail, does it, forjo, as a security expert, fit the description of domestic terrorism? filth. security expert, fit the description of domestic terrorism?— security expert, fit the description of domestic terrorism? oh, there is no question- _ if this does not fit the definition of domestic terrorism, i don't know what _ of domestic terrorism, i don't know what welt — of domestic terrorism, i don't know what welt in — of domestic terrorism, i don't know what well. in fact, there are signs now there — what well. in fact, there are signs now there are more and more videos coming _ now there are more and more videos coming out _ now there are more and more videos coming out from what happened in and outside _ coming out from what happened in and outside the _ coming out from what happened in and outside the capitol building that there _ outside the capitol building that there are signs of tactical training, _ there are signs of tactical training, there is a core group, not the larger— training, there is a core group, not the larger group, not the masses,
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but the _ the larger group, not the masses, but the core — the larger group, not the masses, but the core group upfront breaching doors, _ but the core group upfront breaching doors, beating police officers, those — doors, beating police officers, those are _ doors, beating police officers, those are people who had planned intentions — those are people who had planned intentions and some training that exhibits — intentions and some training that exhibits law enforcement or military backgrounds. i think, exhibits law enforcement or military backgrounds. ithink, unfortunately, that's— backgrounds. ithink, unfortunately, that's going to be part of the revelations that come out of investigations, the role of active or former— investigations, the role of active or former law enforcement or mititarv _ or former law enforcement or military. we have learned from the fbi is— military. we have learned from the fbi is now— military. we have learned from the fbi is now saying, that they disrupted the travel of well over a dozen _ disrupted the travel of well over a dozen active investigative subjects in the _ dozen active investigative subjects in the domestic terrorism programme and stopped those bad actors from even getting to the capital or it would've — even getting to the capital or it would've been even worse. the republicans — would've been even worse. the republicans are _ would've been even worse. ti2 republicans are calling for unity, and the democrats would say, given what you have just said, if you were dealing with an insurrection through any normal counterterrorism lens, with your training, you would start to look first of all at the leadership. who is at that's telling them where to go? who is at that's telling them to feel angry? where to go? and the person who is doing that, say democrats, is the commander—in—chief. that, say democrats, is the commander-in-chief. there is no question. — commander-in-chief. there is no question, through _ commander-in-chief. there is no question, through the _ commander-in-chief. there is no question, through the lens - commander-in-chief. there is no question, through the lens that l commander-in-chief. there is no question, through the lens that i | question, through the lens that i look question, through the lens that i took at _ question, through the lens that i look at this, that there are eerie similarities— look at this, that there are eerie similarities between the radicalization that we have summing
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over the _ radicalization that we have summing over the last four years and the radicalization process that i have seen _ radicalization process that i have seen as— radicalization process that i have seen as an — radicalization process that i have seen as an fbi professional in the violent— seen as an fbi professional in the violent islamicjihadist movement. violent islamic jihadist movement. they are _ violent islamicjihadist movement. they are one in the same in terms of how you _ they are one in the same in terms of how you get — they are one in the same in terms of how you get a disenfranchised angry population to follow a personality or person — population to follow a personality or person and give up all core values — or person and give up all core values that they are supposed to have _ values that they are supposed to have it's — values that they are supposed to have it's a — values that they are supposed to have. it's a very similar process. we can't — have. it's a very similar process. we can't ignore the present's role in it, _ we can't ignore the present's role in it. but— we can't ignore the present's role in it. but we — we can't ignore the present's role in it, but we would be remiss to think— in it, but we would be remiss to think that — in it, but we would be remiss to think that that problem, that radicalization, is going to go away when _ radicalization, is going to go away when the — radicalization, is going to go away when the president goes away. frank, we have been — when the president goes away. frank, we have been watching _ when the president goes away. frank, we have been watching next _ when the president goes away. frank, we have been watching next to - when the president goes away. frank, we have been watching next to you i we have been watching next to you the pictures of last week of the assault, within a sign there, murder the media come on the capital. i want to ask our director in london to show the pictures of what the capital building looked like this morning as numbers of congress arrived there and as members of the press saw. and it's an extraordinary scene of national guard troops there sleeping on the floor of the
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capital. clearly, this kind of assault is not going to be allowed to happen again. i have never seen soldiers sleeping in the capital like this to protect the building. i don't know if you know whether that's ever happened before. so it's not going to happen here in washington. it's very unlikely that we will see an attack of the scale on the capital, and if we do, that's what protesters are going to be met by. they will be met with armed members of the us military. what do you fear most around the country, given that you say these domestic terrorists are not going to go away. what are you watching around the country, what worries you about what kind of attacked the country may face? , , , ., , face? yes, this is a good news bad news scenario, _ face? yes, this is a good news bad news scenario, and _ face? yes, this is a good news bad news scenario, and anyone - face? yes, this is a good news bad news scenario, and anyone who i face? yes, this is a good news bad| news scenario, and anyone who has ever worked — news scenario, and anyone who has ever worked counterterrorism understands hard targets and soft targets, _ understands hard targets and soft targets, and so do the terrorists. we are _ targets, and so do the terrorists. we are going to make dc a hard target~ — we are going to make dc a hard target. we are going to meet with force. _ target. we are going to meet with force, resounding for us, anyone who takes _ force, resounding for us, anyone who takes the _
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force, resounding for us, anyone who takes the perimeter around the inauguration. that's the good news. the bad _ inauguration. that's the good news. the bad news is that will force the bad guys — the bad news is that will force the bad guys to go find softer targets, and hence — bad guys to go find softer targets, and hence we see fbi bulletin to every— and hence we see fbi bulletin to every state in the united states saving. — every state in the united states saying, "we are seeing articulated threats— saying, "we are seeing articulated threats to — saying, "we are seeing articulated threats to your statehouses and capital — threats to your statehouses and capital buildings. they are softer targets, — capital buildings. they are softer targets, that is the daunting challenge ahead for the united states — challenge ahead for the united states. . ~ challenge ahead for the united states. ., ,, , ., challenge ahead for the united states. ., ~' , ., , challenge ahead for the united states. ., ,, , ., , . challenge ahead for the united states. . ~' , ., , . ., states. 0k. thank you very much for “oininu us states. 0k. thank you very much for joining us there _ states. 0k. thank you very much for joining us there from _ states. 0k. thank you very much for joining us there from arizona. - states. 0k. thank you very much for joining us there from arizona. stay l joining us there from arizona. stay safe out there. earlier, christian, we did see the pictures, of nancy pelosi and those national guard members. she was thinking the national guard members who are now protecting the capital. there was a lot of delay, and it will be part of the investigation that frank was talking about as to why the national guard was not mobilized more quickly. there were good to have been three hours before the capital police who are seriously outnumbered got reinforcements. this time they are there. ~ ., , ., .,
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are there. what we should point out is that if there _ are there. what we should point out is that if there is _ are there. what we should point out is that if there is a _ are there. what we should point out is that if there is a proper _ are there. what we should point out is that if there is a proper trial - is that if there is a proper trial in the senate, we will find out by the national guard if they were there. it will summon witnesses. it seems mitch mcconnell is happy this time for witnesses to be called. one of the first questions they will ask in that senate trial is, "what did the president know and why did he not on the national guard when it was clear there was an assault on the capital? " at this time last week, one of the most shocking photos to emerge from the capital was this one, members of the capital was this one, members of the us house of representatives on the us house of representatives on the floor in the chamber instructed to stay down and stay quiet by the capital police as the mob tried to fight their way in. lukejoined us last fight their way in. luke joined us last week as security forces were trying to secure the building as the mob fought their way in. you can see that he is back and say. you have been listening to the debate today. i'm wondering what your thoughts were. ~ . �* ~' , i'm wondering what your thoughts
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were. ., �* ~ , ., were. what i'm thinking is fallback and think about _ were. what i'm thinking is fallback and think about what's _ were. what i'm thinking is fallback and think about what's going - were. what i'm thinking is fallback and think about what's going on i were. what i'm thinking is fallback and think about what's going on in | and think about what's going on in the capital— and think about what's going on in the capital the united states of america — the capital the united states of america. we are talking about hardening of target against terrorists, americans versus americans. last an attack on the capital, — americans. last an attack on the capital, and _ americans. last an attack on the capital, and that's not since the british— capital, and that's not since the british came and attacked us and burn— british came and attacked us and burn down— british came and attacked us and burn down the capital. now we have another— burn down the capital. now we have another one. and this is by americans, prompted, inspired by their— americans, prompted, inspired by their own— americans, prompted, inspired by their own american presidents. this is something you can't even make up in fiction _ is something you can't even make up in fiction. and this is what we're dealing — in fiction. and this is what we're dealing with today. as earlier, thousands of armed soldiers protecting us from whom? other americans. and of course, all of us are still— americans. and of course, all of us are still reliving in our minds, the terror— are still reliving in our minds, the terror we — are still reliving in our minds, the terror we went through on wednesday night, _ terror we went through on wednesday night, a _ terror we went through on wednesday night, a lot— terror we went through on wednesday night, a lot of us thought that that was going — night, a lot of us thought that that was going to be the end of our lives — was going to be the end of our lives we _ was going to be the end of our lives. we are hearing people attacking the capital, making noise,
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screaming. — attacking the capital, making noise, screaming, guards with their weapons out, ready— screaming, guards with their weapons out, ready to shoot, and divorce —— all of— out, ready to shoot, and divorce —— all of us _ out, ready to shoot, and divorce —— all of us by— out, ready to shoot, and divorce —— all of us try to _ out, ready to shoot, and divorce —— all of us try to figure out how are we going — all of us try to figure out how are we going to get out of this situation? i we going to get out of this situation?— we going to get out of this situation? ., ., , , , ., situation? i want to impress on eo - le situation? i want to impress on people the _ situation? i want to impress on people the threats, _ situation? i want to impress on people the threats, the - situation? i want to impress on people the threats, the risk - situation? i want to impress on | people the threats, the risk that you face as a lawmaker, notjust you, but people on the other side of the aisle as well. i'm going to show a picture, a video from two days after the assault on the capital. this is you walking through an airport, assaulted, accosted by trump supporters. let'sjust airport, assaulted, accosted by trump supporters. let's just have a listen. trump supporters. let's 'ust have a listen. ., ~' trump supporters. let's 'ust have a listen. ., ,, . listen. you like police, you let nt for in! your— listen. you like police, you let nt for in! your light _ listen. you like police, you let nt for in! your light has _ listen. you like police, you let nt for in! your light has been - listen. you like police, you let nt i for in! your light has been exposed! your light— for in! your light has been exposed! your light has — for in! your light has been exposed! your light has been— for in! your light has been exposed! your light has been exposed! - for in! your light has been exposed! your light has been exposed! your. your light has been exposed! your lie has _ your light has been exposed! your lie has been — your light has been exposed! your lie has been exposed! _ your light has been exposed! your lie has been exposed! your- your light has been exposed! your lie has been exposed! your lie - your light has been exposed! your lie has been exposed! your lie hasj lie has been exposed! your lie has been _ lie has been exposed! your lie has been exposed _ lie has been exposed! your lie has been “posed-— been exposed. that's pretty threatening _ been exposed. that's pretty threatening from _ been exposed. that's pretty threatening from his - been exposed. that's pretty threatening from his dick? l been exposed. that's pretty - threatening from his dick? who are there on your own, congressman, and i say it's a threat that other people across the aisle face because i've seen similar pictures of senator lindsey graham going through the airports, of mitt romney going to the airport, and i say it's a threat that other people across the aisle face because i've seen similar pictures of senator lindsey graham
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going through the airports, of mitt romney going to the airport come in they face the this romney going to the airport come in they face th— they face the this is not a democrat versus republican _ they face the this is not a democrat versus republican issue. _ versus republican issue. this— versus republican issue. this is— versus republican issue. this is a _ versus republican issue. this is a situation that president trump _ this is a situation that president trump has — this is a situation that president trump has created. these conspiracy theories _ trump has created. these conspiracy theories if— trump has created. these conspiracy theories. if you listen very carefully— theories. if you listen very carefully to those people attacking at the _ carefully to those people attacking at the airport, they are spewing venom~ — at the airport, they are spewing venom~ a — at the airport, they are spewing venom. a lot of conspiracy theories that are _ venom. a lot of conspiracy theories that are just — venom. a lot of conspiracy theories that are just outrageous, but they are the _ that are just outrageous, but they are the same theories that president trump _ are the same theories that president trump is _ are the same theories that president trump is propagating. these people flew out— trump is propagating. these people flew out 3000 miles from my home area to _ flew out 3000 miles from my home area to support the president and what _ area to support the president and what they— area to support the president and what they think is a righteous cause, — what they think is a righteous cause, and this is the problem we have _ cause, and this is the problem we have today, — cause, and this is the problem we have today, false information. a lot of my— have today, false information. a lot of my republicans today on the floor came _ of my republicans today on the floor came up— of my republicans today on the floor came up to _ of my republicans today on the floor came up to me, you know, they said we are _ came up to me, you know, they said we are with — came up to me, you know, they said we are with you. we can't believe the way— we are with you. we can't believe the way you — we are with you. we can't believe the way you were treated at the airport — the way you were treated at the airport. we've had similar situations. so again, this is not to fight _ situations. so again, this is not to fight democrat versus republican, this is— fight democrat versus republican, this is a _ fight democrat versus republican, this is a fight for the life, the spirit — this is a fight for the life, the spirit of— this is a fight for the life, the spirit of democracy in this country, and the _ spirit of democracy in this country, and the president will refuse to
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leave _ and the president will refuse to leave office, we are voting for an impeachment. i'm _ impeachment. i'm just going to say goodbye to our reviewers on pbs, congressman. for all of our other viewers, we are continuing our coverage of the debate on the house floor. congressman, when you go through that kind of experience that you went through at dallas airport here in washington and you listen to the debate and the impeachment, do you think it's possible, after donald trump leaves office, oncejoe biden comes in, once we got through this process, that you and your republican colleagues can get back to some sense of, if not friendship, at least the ability to work together, function together properly? together, function together ro erl ? together, function together properly?— together, function together --roerl ? , , , properly? the friendship is there. we will continue _ properly? the friendship is there. we will continue to _ properly? the friendship is there. we will continue to work- properly? the friendship is there. we will continue to work together properly? the friendship is there. i we will continue to work together as democrats _ we will continue to work together as democrats and republicans. a lot of us are _ democrats and republicans. a lot of us are doing that right now, but we cannot— us are doing that right now, but we cannot forget that this country is deeply— cannot forget that this country is deeply divided, that this president has left _ deeply divided, that this president has left a — deeply divided, that this president has left a very deep wounds that have _ has left a very deep wounds that have to — has left a very deep wounds that have to be — has left a very deep wounds that have to be healed now, and it's not
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going _ have to be healed now, and it's not going to _ have to be healed now, and it's not going to be — have to be healed now, and it's not going to be easy. president—elect biden— going to be easy. president—elect biden has— going to be easy. president—elect biden has a lot of work to do, buddies— biden has a lot of work to do, buddies not alone. all of us are going _ buddies not alone. all of us are going to — buddies not alone. all of us are going to put our backs into it to make _ going to put our backs into it to make sure _ going to put our backs into it to make sure that we have a country that our— make sure that we have a country that our children and grandchildren can enjoy, — that our children and grandchildren can enjoy, the one i grew up with, which _ can enjoy, the one i grew up with, which is _ can enjoy, the one i grew up with, which is united america, a badge of democracy — which is united america, a badge of democracy. we are going to work together— democracy. we are going to work together because we are going to show— together because we are going to show the — together because we are going to show the world once again what america — show the world once again what america truly is. to show the world once again what america truly is.— show the world once again what america truly is. to our reviewers, b the america truly is. to our reviewers, by the way. _ america truly is. to our reviewers, by the way. the — america truly is. to our reviewers, by the way, the pictures _ america truly is. to our reviewers, by the way, the pictures that - america truly is. to our reviewers, by the way, the pictures that we i america truly is. to our reviewers, | by the way, the pictures that we are showing you live next to congressman, those are pictures from the floor of the house of representatives, the chamber that the rioters tried to attack last week, which is where congressman was, by the way, in that chamber when he was told he had to duck down and take cover. that debate is still going on as soon as the vote starts, we will bring you that vote live when it begins the vote on impeaching president trump for a second time. congressman, so far, publicly, six republicans in the house of representatives, six of your republican colleagues have said
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that they are going to vote to impeach the president. a week ago, tempers were very, very high in the country, and everyone was very, very shocked. you think that a week later, republicans have you know, spoken to their constituents back home, still feel that they cannot afford to cross donald trump, and therefore, they are not going to vote to impeach him, even if they believe that he bears some responsibility for what happened last week? i responsibility for what happened last week? ~' , ., �* responsibility for what happened last week? ,, �* ., , , last week? i think you're absolutely riuht. i last week? i think you're absolutely right- lthink— last week? i think you're absolutely right- i think a _ last week? i think you're absolutely right. i think a lot _ last week? i think you're absolutely right. i think a lot of _ last week? i think you're absolutely right. i think a lot of my _ right. i think a lot of my colleagues will not cross that line, they will— colleagues will not cross that line, they will not cross donald trump because — they will not cross donald trump because donald trump received 70 million _ because donald trump received 70 million votes, he may have lost, but he got _ million votes, he may have lost, but he got a _ million votes, he may have lost, but he got a lot— million votes, he may have lost, but he got a lot of votes come at the same _ he got a lot of votes come at the same time, _ he got a lot of votes come at the same time, i have to say, a lot of the reason — same time, i have to say, a lot of the reason we're looking at maybe ten republicans voting for impeachment today is because, you know, _ impeachment today is because, you know, donald trump in his own lavish way is _ know, donald trump in his own lavish way is going _ know, donald trump in his own lavish way is going after more republicans, and a _ way is going after more republicans, and a lot— way is going after more republicans, and a lot of— way is going after more republicans, and a lot of republicans have no choice _ and a lot of republicans have no choice but — and a lot of republicans have no choice but to fight back. this is
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the way— choice but to fight back. this is the way this president works. loyalty— the way this president works. loyalty is _ the way this president works. loyalty is a one—way street. you cross _ loyalty is a one—way street. you cross him. — loyalty is a one—way street. you cross him, he comes after you, but he's always— cross him, he comes after you, but he's always crossing people. last week, _ he's always crossing people. last week, the — he's always crossing people. last week, the main target of that mob was vice _ week, the main target of that mob was vice president pens. they were coming _ was vice president pens. they were coming to— was vice president pens. they were coming to hang pens, and along with them _ coming to hang pens, and along with them were _ coming to hang pens, and along with them were democrats and republicans. i can them were democrats and republicans. i can tell— them were democrats and republicans. i can tell you, these next few weeks were very— i can tell you, these next few weeks were very tense, these next few days, _ were very tense, these next few days, that — were very tense, these next few days, that something else can happen, — days, that something else can happen, but the inauguration and the swearing _ happen, but the inauguration and the swearing in _ happen, but the inauguration and the swearing in the swearing—in of vice president _ swearing in the swearing—in of vice president cannot come fast enough. thank— president cannot come fast enough. thank you _ president cannot come fast enough. thank you very much forjoining us. next time you fly back to california, i hope you have a nice peaceful trip and you are not harassed at the airport. the issue of impeachment is, of course, no surprise, divisive one in and of itself. the majority of americans support impeaching donald trump. that's according to new polling by cbs news, in total, 55% of americans support the democrats efforts, but
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break that down, of course, surprise surprise, it all falls along party lines. 80% of democrats support impeaching him, 85% of republicans say it should not go ahead. in total, just under 60% of americans think donald trump encourage the violence that we saw last week at the capital. but that breaks _ saw last week at the capital. but that breaks on party lines, an overwhelming majority of democrats think he encouraged the mob, and conversely, republicans think he did nothing wrong. frank is a top republican pollster. fink you for joining us. i know you have done your own polling over the course of this weekend. give us the top lines of some of what you found? the most amazing statistic of all is that half— the most amazing statistic of all is that half of president terms voters don't _ that half of president terms voters don't want — that half of president terms voters don't want him to pursue election 2020 _ don't want him to pursue election 2020 not— don't want him to pursue election 2020. not running in 2024 they want him to— 2020. not running in 2024 they want him to continue to fight right up until— him to continue to fight right up until the — him to continue to fight right up until the inauguration for the
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victory— until the inauguration for the victory that they believe he had. two thirds — victory that they believe he had. two thirds of his voters believe that it — two thirds of his voters believe that it was stolen. three quarters of his— that it was stolen. three quarters of his voters believed that he won. it is amazing that in this day and age. _ it is amazing that in this day and age. no — it is amazing that in this day and age, no matter what kind of evidence to show. _ age, no matter what kind of evidence to show. no— age, no matter what kind of evidence to show, no matter what the court say these — to show, no matter what the court say these people are so determined and are _ say these people are so determined and are so— say these people are so determined and are so passionate about donald trump _ and are so passionate about donald trump having won the election that that explains what happened a week a-o, that explains what happened a week ago. it— that explains what happened a week ago, it explained what continues to happen— ago, it explained what continues to happen right now. that a third of his voters— happen right now. that a third of his voters want him to leave the republican party and join a third party— republican party and join a third party or— republican party and join a third party or create a third party. and half of _ party or create a third party. and half of them want him to run in 2024 and more _ half of them want him to run in 2024 and more than half would actually vote for— and more than half would actually vote for him if he ran in 2024. this is not _ vote for him if he ran in 2024. this is not over— vote for him if he ran in 2024. this is not over yet. were going to have a vote _ is not over yet. were going to have a vote momentarily but his voters are not— a vote momentarily but his voters are not giving up. and they're not giving _ are not giving up. and they're not giving up — are not giving up. and they're not giving up because of what he has told them — giving up because of what he has told them again and again. they listen _ told them again and again. they listen to— told them again and again. they listen to him they don't trust the media, _ listen to him they don't trust the media, they don't trust us, they
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don't _ media, they don't trust us, they don't like — media, they don't trust us, they don't like posters, journalists but they love — don't like posters, journalists but they love donald trump and there standing — they love donald trump and there standing behind him. i they love donald trump and there standing behind him.— they love donald trump and there standing behind him. i wonder if the senate majority _ standing behind him. i wonder if the senate majority leader— standing behind him. i wonder if the senate majority leader mitch - senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has been watching your polling numbers. because apparently hasjust polling numbers. because apparently has just reportedlyjust polling numbers. because apparently has just reportedly just told polling numbers. because apparently has just reportedlyjust told in a statement to fellow republicans he said he doesn't know which way for top he hasn't made a final decision along which way he's going to vote. two thirds is what struck me most among what you just said. two thirds of republicans believe that the election was stolen. what would it take to change that number? if donald trump says something, if republicans on mass said something, is there anything, do you think that could make people see that they are believe that the election was stolen was not founded on fact? emir; believe that the election was stolen was not founded on fact?— was not founded on fact? only one thin. was not founded on fact? only one thing- and — was not founded on fact? only one thing- and in _ was not founded on fact? only one thing. and in fact _ was not founded on fact? only one thing. and in fact what _ was not founded on fact? only one thing. and in fact what is _ was not founded on fact? only one thing. and in fact what is tragic - was not founded on fact? only one thing. and in fact what is tragic is i thing. and in fact what is tragic is that 60% — thing. and in fact what is tragic is that 60% of americans, 60% of trump voters _ that 60% of americans, 60% of trump voters will— that 60% of americans, 60% of trump voters will never trust the american electoral— voters will never trust the american electoral process again. we had the
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sound _ electoral process again. we had the sound problem 20 years ago with the bush. _ sound problem 20 years ago with the bush. gort _ sound problem 20 years ago with the bush, gort race that went on for five weeks _ bush, gort race that went on for five weeks. and i know how much damage _ five weeks. and i know how much damage that did. —— gore. this time it's even— damage that did. —— gore. this time it's even greater. when almost two thirds _ it's even greater. when almost two thirds of— it's even greater. when almost two thirds of a — it's even greater. when almost two thirds of a party will not trust the election— thirds of a party will not trust the election results. that gets at the core of— election results. that gets at the core of democracy. and the only person— core of democracy. and the only person who can change this, the only institution. _ person who can change this, the only institution, individual is donald trump — institution, individual is donald trump himself. of course he's not going _ trump himself. of course he's not going to _ trump himself. of course he's not going to do — trump himself. of course he's not going to do it. one morris statistics which should frighten every _ statistics which should frighten every republican leader. 40% of trump _ every republican leader. 40% of trump voters say they would definitely vote against anyone who cast a _ definitely vote against anyone who cast a vote for impeachment that's going _ cast a vote for impeachment that's going to _ cast a vote for impeachment that's going to happen moments from now. if you are _ going to happen moments from now. if you are a _ going to happen moments from now. if you are a republican and you vote for impeachment you may well be signing _ for impeachment you may well be signing the end of your political career — signing the end of your political career. �* . ., signing the end of your political career. �* , ., ., career. it's going to eight the debate is _ career. it's going to eight the debate is coming _ career. it's going to eight the debate is coming to - career. it's going to eight the debate is coming to an - career. it's going to eight the debate is coming to an end. | career. it's going to eight the - debate is coming to an end. that's the minority whip we are looking at. they are not going to whip the result today. liz cheney the third most important republican and how
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said they should vote their conscience. given those statistics that you've just given us, many of them will be making about knowing that political careers depend on it. yes. six of them has said they are going _ yes. six of them has said they are going to _ yes. six of them has said they are going to vote for impeachment. i think— going to vote for impeachment. i think the — going to vote for impeachment. i think the final number when this is taken _ think the final number when this is taken i _ think the final number when this is taken i think the final number will be more _ taken i think the final number will be more like ten to 12. and there are senators who voted against impeachment a year ago who vote in favor— impeachment a year ago who vote in favor of— impeachment a year ago who vote in favor of it _ impeachment a year ago who vote in favor of it now. make no mistake, the american public is shaken by what _ the american public is shaken by what happened. the politicians are shaken~ _ what happened. the politicians are shaken. and the only people who don't _ shaken. and the only people who don't seem to understand how significant those events of last wednesday are are they trump voters themselves. in focus groups are done in the _ themselves. in focus groups are done in the polling i'm done, it's as though— in the polling i'm done, it's as though this isjust business in the polling i'm done, it's as though this is just business as usual — though this is just business as usual it's _ though this is just business as usual. it's a way for them to be heard. — usual. it's a way for them to be heard. to — usual. it's a way for them to be heard, to be listened to.- heard, to be listened to. mitch mcconnell— heard, to be listened to. mitch mcconnell is _ heard, to be listened to. mitch mcconnell is an _ heard, to be listened to. mitch| mcconnell is an institutionalist, he's a constitutionalist at his coming towards the end of his
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political career. so presumably he wants some legacy. do you suspect that he is waiting to see how this all unfolds? because if they convict then presumably the senate would very quickly moved to ensure donald trump cannot run again. mitch mcconnell must be aware that there is a danger of the republican vote being split. is a danger of the republican vote bein: slit. 3 is a danger of the republican vote bein: slit. �*, ., ., , is a danger of the republican vote being split-— being split. he's got to be aware that there is _ being split. he's got to be aware that there is a _ being split. he's got to be aware that there is a danger _ being split. he's got to be aware that there is a danger that - being split. he's got to be aware that there is a danger that the i that there is a danger that the republican party actually splits in half. republican party actually splits in half and — republican party actually splits in half. and this happened in the uk when _ half. and this happened in the uk when the — half. and this happened in the uk when the stp was formulated. that labor— when the stp was formulated. that labor basically became a part and it killed _ labor basically became a part and it killed chances. this is much more dire for— killed chances. this is much more dire for the — killed chances. this is much more dire forthe gop killed chances. this is much more dire for the gop because it's much more _ dire for the gop because it's much more an— dire for the gop because it's much more an even split. in fact there are more — more an even split. in fact there are more people who would go with trump _ are more people who would go with trump and — are more people who would go with trump and say with her republican party _ trump and say with her republican party we — trump and say with her republican party. we are in uncharted territory for top _ party. we are in uncharted territory for top like — party. we are in uncharted territory for top like to be able to tell you exactly _ for top like to be able to tell you exactly what's can happen for that i can tell— exactly what's can happen for that i can tell you — exactly what's can happen for that i can tell you that is the level of passion — can tell you that is the level of passion be trump supporters is not
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dissipated — passion be trump supporters is not dissipated since last wednesday for the top _ dissipated since last wednesday for the top there is loud and as passionate and i believe a whole lot of them _ passionate and i believe a whole lot of them are coming to washington next week— of them are coming to washington next week for the inauguration. and they're _ next week for the inauguration. and they're not— next week for the inauguration. and they're not coming to chairman joe biden _ they're not coming to chairman joe biden. �* . they're not coming to chairman joe biden. . , they're not coming to chairman joe biden. �* , ., they're not coming to chairman joe biden. . , ., ,., biden. always good to get your thou . hts biden. always good to get your thoughts and — biden. always good to get your thoughts and to _ biden. always good to get your thoughts and to hear— biden. always good to get your thoughts and to hear some - biden. always good to get your thoughts and to hear some of l biden. always good to get your i thoughts and to hear some of your polling on the right foot up that will give a lot a people food for thought. thank you very much for being with us. as events unfolded last week politicians and aides were suddenly thrown together in lockdown. accents become clear that the risk was not only the rioters. three politicians have since tested positive for covid after being kept in close quarters with their colleagues. let's bring in one of them. you're in your basement. looks a bit like my basement. i'm broadcasting from home. first of all, how are you feeling? i’m all, how are you feeling? i'm feelin: all, how are you feeling? i'm feeling okay- _
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all, how are you feeling? i'm feeling okay. symptoms are thankfully mild i hope it stays this way for— thankfully mild i hope it stays this way for supper and i am concerned obviously— way for supper and i am concerned obviously for my health and my wife's _ obviously for my health and my wife's health and that she doesn't -et wife's health and that she doesn't get covid~ — wife's health and that she doesn't get covid. my heart goes out to everyone — get covid. my heart goes out to everyone. in our country and across the world _ everyone. in our country and across the world who are suffering from this terrible disease.— the world who are suffering from this terrible disease. when you were in that room — this terrible disease. when you were in that room did _ this terrible disease. when you were in that room did you _ this terrible disease. when you were in that room did you have _ this terrible disease. when you were in that room did you have a - this terrible disease. when you were in that room did you have a sense i in that room did you have a sense that you might be in danger of getting infected? i that you might be in danger of getting infected?— that you might be in danger of getting infected? i knewl started think about _ getting infected? i knewl started think about it _ getting infected? i knewl started think about it as _ getting infected? i knewl started think about it as we _ getting infected? i knewl started think about it as we were - getting infected? i knewl started i think about it as we were evacuating from the _ think about it as we were evacuating from the house chamber that obviously, social distancing went out the _ obviously, social distancing went out the window. you had a choice between — out the window. you had a choice between two evils, if you will. we needed _ between two evils, if you will. we needed to — between two evils, if you will. we needed to escape the crowd, the mob was up _ needed to escape the crowd, the mob was up these were a domestic terrorist — was up these were a domestic terrorist trying to overthrow our government, undermine our constitution and attack the government officials. so as we made our exit _ government officials. so as we made our exit from the house chamber is to the _ our exit from the house chamber is to the secure room we are all in a bunch _ to the secure room we are all in a bunch for— to the secure room we are all in a bunch for that we are in fairly tight— bunch for that we are in fairly tight quarters for several hours. | tight quarters for several hours. i think tight quarters for several hours. think we've tight quarters for several hours. i think we've got video of republicans
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sitting in front of the camera. you can see a lady here offering them masks and all of them refusing to take the mask. that gives you an idea. i notice as well congressman today that republican colleague tom mcclintock from california, when he spokein mcclintock from california, when he spoke in the country was watching, he was wearing a mask and the mask said this mask is as useless as our governor. that's the message he wanted to send out.— wanted to send out. yeah, the science is _ wanted to send out. yeah, the science is very _ wanted to send out. yeah, the science is very clear. - wanted to send out. yeah, the science is very clear. masks i wanted to send out. yeah, the i science is very clear. masks reduce the spread — science is very clear. masks reduce the spread of the virus. and keeps people _ the spread of the virus. and keeps people say — the spread of the virus. and keeps people say. it's not as keeping me safe as _ people say. it's not as keeping me safe as the — people say. it's not as keeping me safe as the people around me safe. as the _ safe as the people around me safe. as the thing that everyone does is the evidence is clear we can reduce the evidence is clear we can reduce the spread — the evidence is clear we can reduce the spread of the virus and limit the spread of the virus and limit the effect — the spread of the virus and limit the effect of the pandemic. unfortunately, the united states has become _ unfortunately, the united states has become a _ unfortunately, the united states has become a political issue. it shouldn't be a political issue its public— shouldn't be a political issue its public health guidance for them it's common— public health guidance for them it's common courtesy and basic decency to your fellow— common courtesy and basic decency to your fellow person. out of respect we should — your fellow person. out of respect we should be wearing mask and those
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who you _ we should be wearing mask and those who you see _ we should be wearing mask and those who you see in the video you chose not to _ who you see in the video you chose not to have — who you see in the video you chose not to have absolute contempt for their colleagues and the people who work around us. i�*m their colleagues and the people who work around us.— work around us. i'm glad they are asymptomatic- — work around us. i'm glad they are asymptomatic. take _ work around us. i'm glad they are asymptomatic. take some i work around us. i'm glad they are asymptomatic. take some of i work around us. i'm glad they are asymptomatic. take some of the | asymptomatic. take some of the arguments from today that the republican support for it. one, there isjust republican support for it. one, there is just seven days left of this presidency so what's the point? the point is and i have to separate into two _ the point is and i have to separate into two pieces, we need to protect the nation — into two pieces, we need to protect the nation there's a national security— the nation there's a national security issue, continuity of government, and the transition of power— government, and the transition of power within the next seven days. that's _ power within the next seven days. that's an — power within the next seven days. that's an important issue that we need _ that's an important issue that we need to— that's an important issue that we need to find a way to safely get through — need to find a way to safely get through. there's a second issue, the country— through. there's a second issue, the country was — through. there's a second issue, the country was attacked on january six. that attack — country was attacked on january six. that attack was incited by the president of the united states, donald — president of the united states, donald trump. there has to be accountability for the people who are in— accountability for the people who are in the — accountability for the people who are in the capital who were causing harm _ are in the capital who were causing harm to _ are in the capital who were causing harm to property but also seeking to cause _ harm to property but also seeking to cause injury— harm to property but also seeking to cause injury to people. five people died. _ cause injury to people. five people died. i_ cause injury to people. five people died, i mourn for each and every one of them _ died, i mourn for each and every one of them. including the officer capitol— of them. including the officer capitol police officer who gave his life defending mine. literally defending mine. but the president is
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at its court _ defending mine. but the president is at its court responsible for what happened. and we have to hold him to account _ happened. and we have to hold him to account that— happened. and we have to hold him to account. that extends beyond the next seven — account. that extends beyond the next seven days. that is something that if— next seven days. that is something that if this — next seven days. that is something that if this offense is not impeachable and attacking and undermining the government is not a crime _ undermining the government is not a crime against the united states nothing — crime against the united states nothing is. not be enough to proceed with that _ nothing is. not be enough to proceed with that. the house will vote today — with that. the house will vote today~ i— with that. the house will vote today. i the senate will take it up and decide — today. i the senate will take it up and decide whether or not to proceed _ and decide whether or not to proceed. immediately or to the weeks and months _ proceed. immediately or to the weeks and months ahead.— and months ahead. another argument that we've heard _ and months ahead. another argument that we've heard from _ and months ahead. another argument that we've heard from your _ that we've heard from your republican colleagues today is that the cost of impeachment is too high. in terms of the countries unity. and if democrats go ahead with this they will forfeit any good will from the other side. bre will forfeit any good will from the other side. �* , ., will forfeit any good will from the other side-— will forfeit any good will from the other side. . i. _, . ., other side. are you concerned about that? not taking — other side. are you concerned about that? not taking action _ other side. are you concerned about that? not taking action is _ other side. are you concerned about that? not taking action is too i other side. are you concerned about that? not taking action is too high. l that? not taking action is too high. we can— that? not taking action is too high. we can delete and i can't unite the country— we can delete and i can't unite the country until we hold those who decided — country until we hold those who decided to hold our government to account _ decided to hold our government to account. and then we unite the country —
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account. and then we unite the country i— account. and then we unite the country. i have spent my career working _ country. i have spent my career working across the all. i am pride delete _ working across the all. i am pride delete that— working across the all. i am pride delete that proud of my part partisan _ delete that proud of my part partisan work and long record. but you can't— partisan work and long record. but you can't build a bridge across the aisle. _ you can't build a bridge across the aisle. you — you can't build a bridge across the aisle, you can't anchor it in guicksand _ aisle, you can't anchor it in quicksand. it has to be anchored in the foundation of our constitution. and those — the foundation of our constitution. and those who have sought to overthrow our constitution are not part of _ overthrow our constitution are not part of the — overthrow our constitution are not part of the solution. they are the problem — part of the solution. they are the problem. and we need to hold them to account— problem. and we need to hold them to account or— problem. and we need to hold them to account or do _ problem. and we need to hold them to account or do not do so puts our future _ account or do not do so puts our future at — account or do not do so puts our future at risk.— future at risk. okay. he will be caettin future at risk. okay. he will be getting ready _ future at risk. okay. he will be getting ready to _ future at risk. okay. he will be getting ready to vote. - future at risk. okay. he will be getting ready to vote. thank i future at risk. okay. he will be i getting ready to vote. thank you very much. were going to quickly listen into the closing remarks from congressman, the democratic leader who is speaking now. last wednesday on january 60 — who is speaking now. last wednesday on january 60 nation _ and the world watched it shattered to pieces — and the world watched it shattered to pieces. there can be no mistake any longer— to pieces. there can be no mistake any longer the kind of man sitting in the _ any longer the kind of man sitting in the oval— any longer the kind of man sitting in the oval office or his intentions
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and capabilities. the curtain has been _ and capabilities. the curtain has been pulled back. the office to which — been pulled back. the office to which he — been pulled back. the office to which he was elected could not temper— which he was elected could not temper or— which he was elected could not temper or reform him. washington's legacy— temper or reform him. washington's legacy was— temper or reform him. washington's legacy was passed down to us not as written _ legacy was passed down to us not as written decrees, mr speaker the house _ written decrees, mr speaker the house is— written decrees, mr speaker the house is not in order. the gentleman is correct the — house is not in order. the gentleman is correct the house _ house is not in order. the gentleman is correct the house will— house is not in order. the gentleman is correct the house will be _ house is not in order. the gentleman is correct the house will be in - is correct the house will be in order — is correct the house will be in order. ~ .,, ., �*, is correct the house will be in order. ~ ., �*, is correct the house will be in order. washington's legacy was assed order. washington's legacy was passed down — order. washington's legacy was passed down to _ order. washington's legacy was passed down to us _ order. washington's legacy was passed down to us not - order. washington's legacy was passed down to us not as i order. washington's legacy was. passed down to us not as written decrees— passed down to us not as written decrees but understood norms. how we ought _ decrees but understood norms. how we ought to— decrees but understood norms. how we ought to act. _ decrees but understood norms. how we ought to act, how we are to conduct ourselves _ ought to act, how we are to conduct ourselves. term after term each occupant — ourselves. term after term each occupant has observed those norms out of _ occupant has observed those norms out of a _ occupant has observed those norms out of a recognition that our constitutions articles are not the only preservative of our democracy. for more _ only preservative of our democracy. for more than two centuries whenever those _ for more than two centuries whenever those norms— for more than two centuries whenever those norms were tested restrained
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-ood those norms were tested restrained good and _ those norms were tested restrained good and virtuous citizens on both sides— good and virtuous citizens on both sides of— good and virtuous citizens on both sides of the aisle. found common purpose _ sides of the aisle. found common purpose and reaffirming those norms. but memory fades and from time to time it— but memory fades and from time to time it must be refreshed. madame speaker— time it must be refreshed. madame speaker as— time it must be refreshed. madame speaker as the framers emerged from the constitution convention benjamin franklin— the constitution convention benjamin franklin was asked whether they have made _ franklin was asked whether they have made america a monarchy or a republic — made america a monarchy or a republic. probably all of all of us know— republic. probably all of all of us know this — republic. probably all of all of us know this response. a republic he answered. — know this response. a republic he answered, if you can keep it. that's the question— answered, if you can keep it. that's the question today. if we can keep it. the question today. if we can keep it and _ the question today. if we can keep it and the — the question today. if we can keep it. and the way we keep it is to say no. it. and the way we keep it is to say no two— it. and the way we keep it is to say no. two actions and words that do not promote the keeping of that
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republic. for millennia people have understood that a republic is only as stable — understood that a republic is only as stable and lasting as the citizens— as stable and lasting as the citizens and leaders who commit themselves to its upkeep. this president— themselves to its upkeep. this president has shown us not committed to that _ president has shown us not committed to that project. his tweets, every day have — to that project. his tweets, every day have shown he is not committed to that _ day have shown he is not committed to that project was indeed he openly disdains— to that project was indeed he openly disdains it _ to that project was indeed he openly disdains it and appears to prefer or the alternative. but what of the rest of — the alternative. but what of the rest of us? those who have the honor and the _ rest of us? those who have the honor and the great — rest of us? those who have the honor and the great privilege and the weighty— and the great privilege and the weighty responsibility to represent the views— weighty responsibility to represent the views of 750,000 of our fellow citizens? _ the views of 750,000 of our fellow citizens? we end this congress have an opportunity, no, a duty to demonstrate our commitment both as leaders _ demonstrate our commitment both as
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leaders and _ demonstrate our commitment both as leaders and as citizens to keeping america _ leaders and as citizens to keeping america a — leaders and as citizens to keeping america a republic. a republic that resolves _ america a republic. a republic that resolves its differences not through being _ resolves its differences not through being ordered to come to the capital to prevent _ being ordered to come to the capital to prevent them from stealing the election — to prevent them from stealing the election. which was an absurd assertion _ election. which was an absurd assertion from the very first day it was made — assertion from the very first day it was made. we cannot erase the last four years _ was made. we cannot erase the last four years. we cannot turn back the clock— four years. we cannot turn back the clock but _ four years. we cannot turn back the clock but we — four years. we cannot turn back the clock but we can look to the ideals and principles inherited from great presidents to stop like washington, jefferson. _ presidents to stop like washington, jefferson, and yes certainly like abraham — jefferson, and yes certainly like abraham lincoln. and franklin roosevelt. and from outstanding americans like frederick douglass, harriet _ americans like frederick douglass, harriet kaplan, susan anthony, sees al chavez. _ harriet kaplan, susan anthony, sees al chavez, martin luther king, thurgood _ al chavez, martin luther king, thurgood marshall, our beloved john lewis _
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thurgood marshall, our beloved john lewis and _ thurgood marshall, our beloved john lewis. and yes our bg. ruth bader ginsburg — lewis. and yes our bg. ruth bader ginsburg. who taught us a lot about equality— ginsburg. who taught us a lot about equality and inclusion. it's up to us to— equality and inclusion. it's up to us to restore the vibrancy, madame speaker— us to restore the vibrancy, madame speaker of— us to restore the vibrancy, madame speaker of our democracy by reaffirming our commitment to the norms— reaffirming our commitment to the norms they've passed on to us and entrusted — norms they've passed on to us and entrusted to our care.— entrusted to our care. democratic leader from _ entrusted to our care. democratic leader from maryland _ entrusted to our care. democratic leader from maryland speaking i entrusted to our care. democratic- leader from maryland speaking making leaderfrom maryland speaking making the case for the impeachment of donald trump. we are still expecting that vote. those were closing arguments by the way. that vote should come out fairly soon. and then we will of course bring you that. our north american correspondence joins us. and he is out and about for hours. larry, you are outside the security zone presumably pretty far from the capital. because you can't get close to it. the whole of washington feels like it shut down today. what have you seen out there?
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i have seen what looks like a fortress _ i have seen what looks like a fortress. they are describing what does _ fortress. they are describing what does the — fortress. they are describing what does the army as a non—scalable fans _ does the army as a non—scalable fans it's — does the army as a non—scalable fans it's a — does the army as a non—scalable fans. it's a seven foot temporary fencing _ fans. it's a seven foot temporary fencing that's gone around all the capital— fencing that's gone around all the capital grounds. constitution avenue. _ capital grounds. constitution avenue, first ave where i'm standing south _ avenue, first ave where i'm standing south set _ avenue, first ave where i'm standing south set aside union station and this is— south set aside union station and this is going to be for at least 30 days _ this is going to be for at least 30 days this— this is going to be for at least 30 days. this is all come up over the last five _ days. this is all come up over the last five or— days. this is all come up over the last five or six days after the events — last five or six days after the events of— last five or six days after the events of wednesday where they capital _ events of wednesday where they capital was storm. and at every entry— capital was storm. and at every entry point— capital was storm. and at every entry point uc us secret service. you see — entry point uc us secret service. you see metropolitan police. you see the capitol— you see metropolitan police. you see the capitol police. the national guardsmen surrounding this entire section _ guardsmen surrounding this entire section. there's about 6600 national guardsmen _ section. there's about 6600 national guardsmen already here. by inauguration day could be as many as 20.000~ _ inauguration day could be as many as 20,000. fire inauguration day could be as many as 20,000. �* , ., inauguration day could be as many as 20,000. �* i. , inauguration day could be as many as 20,000. ~ _, , ., , , inauguration day could be as many as 20,000. ~ , ., , , ., 20,000. are you seeing any sign of pro-trump — 20,000. are you seeing any sign of pro-trump supporters _ 20,000. are you seeing any sign of pro-trump supporters they - 20,000. are you seeing any sign of pro-trump supporters they are? i 20,000. are you seeing any sign of| pro-trump supporters they are? we pro—trump supporters they are? we keep hearing that they are intending to come to washington. i haven't seen any in the last day or two
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around but i've been mostly in the west side of the city. have you seen any down there? i'zre west side of the city. have you seen any down there?— any down there? i've driven around the entire capital _ any down there? i've driven around the entire capital grounds - any down there? i've driven around the entire capital grounds and i i the entire capital grounds and i didn't— the entire capital grounds and i didn't see — the entire capital grounds and i didn't see any pro—trump voices no matter— didn't see any pro—trump voices no matter hats— didn't see any pro—trump voices no matter hats know don't tread on me five. matter hats know don't tread on me five the _ matter hats know don't tread on me five. the usual signs of when they begin— five. the usual signs of when they begin to _ five. the usual signs of when they begin to gather. you'll see people holding _ begin to gather. you'll see people holding flags with the second amendment articles up i haven't seen any people _ amendment articles up i haven't seen any people around this complex was that maybe it's acted as a deterrent but there _ that maybe it's acted as a deterrent but there is— that maybe it's acted as a deterrent but there is still a lot of intelligence according to sources and intelligence community saying there _ and intelligence community saying there is— and intelligence community saying there is plans for some to come into town _ there is plans for some to come into town but _ there is plans for some to come into town. but there has been a deterrence also from the national capital— deterrence also from the national capital region foot of the governors of maryland and virginia and dc mayor— of maryland and virginia and dc mayor have asked people not to come here _ mayor have asked people not to come here the _ mayor have asked people not to come here. the presidential inaugural committee is asked people not to come _ committee is asked people not to come to— committee is asked people not to come to the inauguration. and now air bmb _ come to the inauguration. and now air bmb is — come to the inauguration. and now air bmb is canceling all bookings that week of the inauguration and refunding — that week of the inauguration and refunding. blocking people from being _ refunding. blocking people from being a — refunding. blocking people from being a at a air bmb in the city. what's— being a at a air bmb in the city. what's happening here —— ear b and
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b. republicans don't like it but all the security set up around here seems — the security set up around here seems to— the security set up around here seems to kept everybody away so far. looking _ seems to kept everybody away so far. looking at _ seems to kept everybody away so far. looking at these pictures of the soldiers as you're talking to top it's quite remarkable to see the ring of steel that's been put around the capitol building. not as outside but also inside. the lawmakers who were going into the chamber today, they now have to walk through a metal detector.— metal detector. they are very unha-- metal detector. they are very unhappy about _ metal detector. they are very unhappy about that. - metal detector. they are very unhappy about that. the i metal detector. they are very i unhappy about that. the republicans have raised concerns about why they're — have raised concerns about why they're being made to go through metal— they're being made to go through metal detectors. ordered by speaker nancy— metal detectors. ordered by speaker nancy pelosi after what happened on wednesday and some republicans deliberately avoided it was up someone through it it rang but they 'ust someone through it it rang but they just ignored it. some have said they are going _ just ignored it. some have said they are going to— just ignored it. some have said they are going to bring arms to the capitah — are going to bring arms to the capital. that's why it's been ordered _ capital. that's why it's been ordered in the first place. since one congressman from colorado has said she _ one congressman from colorado has said she is _ one congressman from colorado has said she is going to be armed in the capitah _ said she is going to be armed in the capital. which is against the rules. according — capital. which is against the rules. according to the rules of congress you can _ according to the rules of congress you can only have arms if you're a
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congressperson and your officers are suddenly— congressperson and your officers are suddenly not in the chambers and not in the _ suddenly not in the chambers and not in the program. dc itself and has very strong — in the program. dc itself and has very strong rules against having firearms — very strong rules against having firearms in the city. and whenever there's_ firearms in the city. and whenever there's been pro—temp protesters people _ there's been pro—temp protesters people who come with firearms have been arrested. so the fact that congressmen have to go through a metai— congressmen have to go through a metal detector has caused controversy. one republican congressman described it political correctness run amok. and they are very unhappy about being asked to do so. very unhappy about being asked to do so this _ very unhappy about being asked to do so this is _ very unhappy about being asked to do so. this is something to keep in mind _ so. this is something to keep in mind that — so. this is something to keep in mind that the congressman complaining about whether the metal detector— complaining about whether the metal detector four or five of them are also the — detector four or five of them are also the same congressman who refused — also the same congressman who refused to— also the same congressman who refused to take up masks when they were asked — refused to take up masks when they were asked to wear a mask when they went into _ were asked to wear a mask when they went into their secure area. in this uhdisctosed — went into their secure area. in this undisclosed location when it capital is being _ undisclosed location when it capital is being strong for them it seems to be some _ is being strong for them it seems to be some that are especially pop but not problematic for the republican side. �* . not problematic for the republican side. . ., ., , ., ., side. amazing to see that. i drove in to work. _ side. amazing to see that. i drove in to work. we _ side. amazing to see that. i drove in to work, we are _ side. amazing to see that. i drove in to work, we are the _ side. amazing to see that. i drove in to work, we are the bbc - side. amazing to see that. i drove in to work, we are the bbc beer. side. amazing to see that. i drove in to work, we are the bbc beer is about two miles i reckon from
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capitol hill. right outside the bureau the streets are blocked. you can't get any closer my car. it's not just can't get any closer my car. it's notjust right can't get any closer my car. it's not just right around can't get any closer my car. it's notjust right around the capital you can sign this ring around the capital. we could show a map of it. also that's the ring around the capital but it stretches much, much further in terms of where cars can actually get to. we can't even get around that capital by car. irate actually get to. we can't even get around that capital by car.- around that capital by car. we are watchin: around that capital by car. we are watching the _ around that capital by car. we are watching the chamber _ around that capital by car. we are watching the chamber were - around that capital by car. we are watching the chamber were about around that capital by car. we are i watching the chamber were about to be heading to the vote. another historic day on capitol hill. it leaves big questions of course of the future direction of the gop. yes, let's get ron christie aren't republican strategists former advisor to george w. bush. wrong, i said earlier in the programme i had a quick catch up with nancy pelosi early this morning. she said who would've thought a week ago on wednesday morning at one week ago before the attack it happened that this is where we would be. i think it isjust worth this is where we would be. i think it is just worth reminding people how astonishing it is. this
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situation that america finds itself in politically today. i situation that america finds itself in politically today.— in politically today. i think it's nothina in politically today. i think it's nothing short _ in politically today. i think it's nothing short of— in politically today. i think it's nothing short of astonishing. | in politically today. i think it's - nothing short of astonishing. that in one _ nothing short of astonishing. that in one short week we find ourselves in one short week we find ourselves in a situation — in one short week we find ourselves in a situation where we've always taught— in a situation where we've always taught in— in a situation where we've always taught in the 240 for years of our democracy— taught in the 240 for years of our democracy of the peaceful transfer of powerful, and yet you and i found where _ of powerful, and yet you and i found where we _ of powerful, and yet you and i found where we are here in washington, dc can't get _ where we are here in washington, dc can't get anywhere near the capital. why? _ can't get anywhere near the capital. why? police. soldiers, people who were there — why? police. soldiers, people who were there who were very concerned about _ were there who were very concerned about a _ were there who were very concerned about a political insurrection. the notion— about a political insurrection. the notion that — about a political insurrection. the notion that we've had to even have this conversation let alone have a conversation that the president of the united states for the first time in our— the united states for the first time in our history will have been impeached on this day really underscores what remarkable events have taken _ underscores what remarkable events have taken place over the last week. i have taken place over the last week. i read _ have taken place over the last week. i read a _ have taken place over the last week. i read a report today that the earth is spinning five times faster than it normally does. do you feel it ron? i it normally does. do you feel it ron? .., , it normally does. do you feel it ron? , , ron? i can feel it in my bones. good evenina ron? i can feel it in my bones. good evening to — ron? i can feel it in my bones. good evening to you _ ron? i can feel it in my bones. good evening to you christian. _
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ron? i can feel it in my bones. good evening to you christian. i _ ron? i can feel it in my bones. good evening to you christian. i really - evening to you christian. i really do. evening to you christian. i really do iti— evening to you christian. i really do i'tttett— evening to you christian. i really do. i'll tell you why. i do because i do. i'll tell you why. i do because i look— do. i'll tell you why. i do because i took at — do. i'll tell you why. i do because i took at the _ do. i'll tell you why. i do because i look at the norms that we've had. i look at the norms that we've had. i been _ i look at the norms that we've had. i been up _ i look at the norms that we've had. i been up politics for 30 years. i worked — i been up politics for 30 years. i worked in — i been up politics for 30 years. i worked in that dome for eight almost nine of— worked in that dome for eight almost nine of them. the notion that you have _ nine of them. the notion that you have people that work at it who's scated _ have people that work at it who's scated and — have people that work at it who's scaled and were threatening people, that notion... scaled and were threatening people, that notion. . ._ that notion... wrong and get a 'ump in. they — that notion... wrong and get a 'ump in. they going i that notion... wrong and get a 'ump in. they are going to i that notion... wrong and get a 'ump in. they are going to the i that notion... wrong and get a 'ump in. they are going to the vote _ that notion... wrong and get a jump in. they are going to the vote now. in. they are going to the vote now in. they are going to the vote now in the house of representatives. we want to make sure we catch it. let's listen in. coming up on the s and the no side to stop we have won more republican saying they're going to vote in favor of impeachment that takes the total number we know up to seven for top has what we want you to watch. the magic number is 218. they are changing very fast as the votes come in for top you could see the smoke of be over very quickly. at the moment we've got democrats at 52 and 170 democrats have not voted.
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nv means not voted. three republicans voted in favor of impeachment for top you can see that three on the republican side in the gay, but not column. taking up republicans, 150 still have not got to vote. there is the total at the bottom. they have 15 minutes to conduct this vote. the clock is ticking there at the bottom. the magic number as we said is 218. unst 20018 votes magic number as we said is 218. unst 200 18 votes yes donald trump magic number as we said is 218. unst 20018 votes yes donald trump will become the first american president ever to have been impeached twice. interesting to watch those numbers, just keep an eye on that. just interesting to watch those numbers, just keep an eye on that.— just keep an eye on that. just as are watching _ just keep an eye on that. just as are watching this, _ just keep an eye on that. just as are watching this, just _ just keep an eye on that. just as are watching this, just explain i just keep an eye on that. just as| are watching this, just explain to ours how this vote works and how it's tallied. they can vote from the seats it's all electronic?— it's tallied. they can vote from the | seats it's all electronic?— seats it's all electronic? they can. on a boat — seats it's all electronic? they can. on a boat like _ seats it's all electronic? they can. on a boat like this _ seats it's all electronic? they can. on a boat like this members - seats it's all electronic? they can. on a boat like this members of. on a boat like this members of congress — on a boat like this members of congress have 15 minutes to cast their— congress have 15 minutes to cast their vote — congress have 15 minutes to cast their vote. they have something that looks _ their vote. they have something that looks like _ their vote. they have something that looks like a _ their vote. they have something that looks like a credit card that has their— looks like a credit card that has their face — looks like a credit card that has their face on it and has the seal of their face on it and has the seal of
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the house — their face on it and has the seal of the house of representatives. they can insert— the house of representatives. they can insert that credit card, if you will into— can insert that credit card, if you will into a — can insert that credit card, if you will into a slot and push a button green _ will into a slot and push a button green ves, — will into a slot and push a button green yes, red no. and if it's white it's as _ green yes, red no. and if it's white it's as present. or they can also go to the _ it's as present. or they can also go to the house — it's as present. or they can also go to the house clerk and record their vote via _ to the house clerk and record their vote via voice vote. otherwise told the vote _ vote via voice vote. otherwise told the vote how they want to vote. but most _ the vote how they want to vote. but most members vote using that card. i would _ most members vote using that card. i would note _ most members vote using that card. i would note that in a 15 minute vote like this— would note that in a 15 minute vote like this in— would note that in a 15 minute vote like this in the area of covid it's going _ like this in the area of covid it's going to — like this in the area of covid it's going to take much longer than that. they are _ going to take much longer than that. they are restricting the number of congress — they are restricting the number of congress on the house floor to somewhere of about 70 at a time. you're _ somewhere of about 70 at a time. you're going to have a number of nrenrbers— you're going to have a number of members who are lined up who come in, they— members who are lined up who come in, they all— members who are lined up who come in, they all vote, they leave a new comes— in, they all vote, they leave a new comes in — in, they all vote, they leave a new comes in. my prediction here is it will take — comes in. my prediction here is it will take us— comes in. my prediction here is it will take us probably closer to 30 to 40 _ will take us probably closer to 30 to 40 minutes to have a final vote on what _ to 40 minutes to have a final vote on what would ordinarily be a 15 minute — on what would ordinarily be a 15 minute vote. do they stop and start the clock? — minute vote. do they stop and start the clock? know. they'll keep the clock— the clock? know. they'll keep the clock going. one of the things haven't— clock going. one of the things haven't been in a legislative director—
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haven't been in a legislative director in the house is that the clock— director in the house is that the clock stavs _ director in the house is that the clock stays at zero for as long as the speaker to size it stays at zero — the speaker to size it stays at zero so _ the speaker to size it stays at zero so if— the speaker to size it stays at zero. so if speaker pelosi wants that 50 — zero. so if speaker pelosi wants that 50 minute votes to last an hour no one _ that 50 minute votes to last an hour no one is— that 50 minute votes to last an hour no one is going to tell her that her 15 nrinutes— no one is going to tell her that her 15 minutes or up. she decides when that humor— 15 minutes or up. she decides when that humor comes down on the vote. so the _ that humor comes down on the vote. so the final— that humor comes down on the vote. so the final result is when we get it gaveled in. we shouldn't predict it gaveled in. we shouldn't predict it until we get there. the magic number 218. just explain to me because some people might not understand what's at stake for the president here. of course once he leaves the house or goes to a trial in the center. we saw that last year. and it's not a given that he will be found guilty and the senate. lets he he wants. what is at stake for him financially and what is at stake for him politically? politically speaking if he is impeached and then subsequently removed — impeached and then subsequently removed from office during a conviction trial he is no longer able _ conviction trial he is no longer abte to— conviction trial he is no longer able to hold an office of public trust _ able to hold an office of public trust and _ able to hold an office of public trust and response ability. so his comeback— trust and response ability. so his comeback if you will, in 2024 will
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be over — comeback if you will, in 2024 will be over. financially, regardless of how this _ be over. financially, regardless of how this plays out, there are people within— how this plays out, there are people within the _ how this plays out, there are people within the city of new york, the state _ within the city of new york, the state of— within the city of new york, the state of new york, attorneys within the city _ state of new york, attorneys within the city attorneys office, us attorneys office who seek to hold the president personally responsible for not _ the president personally responsible for not disclosing his tax information. this could be a very risky. _ information. this could be a very risky. a — information. this could be a very risky, a very— information. this could be a very risky, a very financially painful process — risky, a very financially painful process for him to go through was up that i_ process for him to go through was up that i ultimately believe the president is going to have to pay a lot of— president is going to have to pay a lot of money out of court to avoid going _ lot of money out of court to avoid going into — lot of money out of court to avoid going into court where those documents could be made public and very embarrassing too. but documents could be made public and very embarrassing too.— very embarrassing too. but does he lose these type _ very embarrassing too. but does he lose these type in? _ very embarrassing too. but does he lose these type in? does _ very embarrassing too. but does he lose these type in? does he - very embarrassing too. but does he lose these type in? does he lose i very embarrassing too. but does he | lose these type in? does he lose the presidential library, the secret service protection, does his family lose the protection? the immediate things that are ripped away that we expect to surround a president, delayed get taken away? yes. the resident delayed get taken away? yes. the president of _ delayed get taken away? yes. the president of the _ delayed get taken away? yes. the president of the united _ delayed get taken away? yes. the president of the united states - delayed get taken away? yes. the i president of the united states makes $100,000 a year and a salary. once you are _ $100,000 a year and a salary. once you are a _ $100,000 a year and a salary. once you are a former member of congress it's a 6-figure — you are a former member of congress it's a 6—figure stipend. i believe it's a 6—figure stipend. i believe it somewhere around hundred and
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25,000 _ it somewhere around hundred and 25,000 for— it somewhere around hundred and 25,000 for the rest of their lives. the secret— 25,000 for the rest of their lives. the secret service protection remains _ the secret service protection remains for the rest of your life. but should — remains for the rest of your life. but should the president he impeached and subsequently removed from office then he loses that stipend — from office then he loses that stipend for the rest of his life. so 'ust stipend for the rest of his life. sc 'ust to stipend for the rest of his life. ’ir just to clarify, stipend for the rest of his life. 5r just to clarify, it's not the fact that he is impeached twice as opposed to once that what it means that he couldn't run for office again. it would only be if he is impeached and then even retrospectively, retroactively removed from office with a trial in the senate? is that how it works? correct but i would also add one other— correct but i would also add one other aspect that many haven't really _ other aspect that many haven't really been talking about today. it's really been talking about today. it's the — really been talking about today. it's the section three of the 14th amendment to the constitution. this was something that was adopted after the civit— was something that was adopted after the civil war. something that was adopted _ the civil war. something that was adopted to ensure that those southern mayors, those governors coutd _ southern mayors, those governors coutd not— southern mayors, those governors could not hold positions of public trust _
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could not hold positions of public trust if — could not hold positions of public trust. if you look very carefully and in — trust. if you look very carefully and in a — trust. if you look very carefully and in a manner of what's this article — and in a manner of what's this article of— and in a manner of what's this article of impeachment was drafted was drafted in such a way a majority vote, _ was drafted in such a way a majority vote, 270 _ was drafted in such a way a majority vote, 270 votes in the house of representatives, 67 votes in the united _ representatives, 67 votes in the united state senate could pass a resolution to say that donald trump can no— resolution to say that donald trump can no longer hold in an office of the public— can no longer hold in an office of the public trust for insurrection and if— the public trust for insurrection and if that— the public trust for insurrection and if that passes and he signed into law— and if that passes and he signed into law by president biden, even if trumb _ into law by president biden, even if trumb is _ into law by president biden, even if trump is not convicted he could not run for— trump is not convicted he could not run for the — trump is not convicted he could not run for the president again. the last time we — run for the president again. the last time we are _ run for the president again. the: last time we are in washington run for the president again. ii9: last time we are in washington and had a pint together you introduce me to 8—member of the cheney family for some natural you know the cheney family because you are a member of the bush administration. any focus has fallen on liz cheney for some she's the third—highest ranking figure the house. what has he taken for her to stand up and say the things that she said in the last day? things that she said in the last da ? �* . :. ~ things that she said in the last da ? �* , ., ~' ., things that she said in the last da ? �*, ., :, �* things that she said in the last da? �*, ., :, �* 4' :, day? it's taken a lot. i've known the cheney _ day? it's taken a lot. i've known the cheney for _
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day? it's taken a lot. i've known the cheney for over _ day? it's taken a lot. i've known the cheney for over 20 - day? it's taken a lot. i've known the cheney for over 20 years - day? it's taken a lot. i've known| the cheney for over 20 years and day? it's taken a lot. i've known l the cheney for over 20 years and i look the cheney for over 20 years and i took at _ the cheney for over 20 years and i took at this, — the cheney for over 20 years and i look at this, my wife and i were talking — look at this, my wife and i were talking about this earlier today. what _ talking about this earlier today. what did — talking about this earlier today. what did she have to go through to sit down _ what did she have to go through to sit down with her parents to talk to her husband and say, i am number three. _ her husband and say, i am number three. i_ her husband and say, i am number three, i could very well be the next feature _ three, i could very well be the next feature to — three, i could very well be the next feature to the next speaker in the majority _ feature to the next speaker in the majority leader in the house of representatives did not get a break ranks _ representatives did not get a break ranks with— representatives did not get a break ranks with the president, with kevin mccarthy— ranks with the president, with kevin mccarthy and say that the president needs— mccarthy and say that the president needs to _ mccarthy and say that the president needs to be removed from office. that is— needs to be removed from office. that is a — needs to be removed from office. that is a tremendous step that she has taken — that is a tremendous step that she has taken. and one that i think will -ive has taken. and one that i think will give cover— has taken. and one that i think will give cover for other members of congress — give cover for other members of congress to follow suit. but what does _ congress to follow suit. but what does that — congress to follow suit. but what does that mean for her? alreadyjim jordan— does that mean for her? alreadyjim jordan a _ does that mean for her? alreadyjim jordan a member of the house of representatives, a member of the freedom _ representatives, a member of the freedom congress, has called her her ouster— freedom congress, has called her her ouster from _ freedom congress, has called her her ouster from the house republican. i think— ouster from the house republican. i think the _ ouster from the house republican. i think the repercussions and be serious — think the repercussions and be serious. and now you find yourself in a situation that the republican party— in a situation that the republican party in _ in a situation that the republican party in washington and around the country— party in washington and around the country is _ party in washington and around the country is in — party in washington and around the country is in open rebellion against itself _ the colorado democrats, jason, i
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heard an interview with him this morning he said that a couple of his republican colleague broke down in tears said they were afraid for their lives if they voted for this impeachment. do you think that is true? . impeachment. do you think that is true? , :, ., impeachment. do you think that is true? . :, :, ,': :: true? yes, i do. i have never in 30 ears in true? yes, i do. i have never in 30 years in this _ true? yes, i do. i have never in 30 years in this town, _ true? yes, i do. i have never in 30 years in this town, 30 _ true? yes, i do. i have never in 30 years in this town, 30 years - true? yes, i do. i have never in 30 years in this town, 30 years of - years in this town, 30 years of working — years in this town, 30 years of working on— years in this town, 30 years of working on the hill, working the white _ working on the hill, working the white house, felt as tense as i have, _ white house, felt as tense as i have, felt— white house, felt as tense as i have, felt as anxious as i have, and katty— have, felt as anxious as i have, and kattv can _ have, felt as anxious as i have, and katty can certainly attest to this, seen _ katty can certainly attest to this, seen washington, dc locked down the way that— seen washington, dc locked down the way that it _ seen washington, dc locked down the way that it has been. the notion that the — way that it has been. the notion that the secret service, the fbi, the law— that the secret service, the fbi, the law enforcement agencies whose 'obs the law enforcement agencies whose jobs it— the law enforcement agencies whose jobs it is— the law enforcement agencies whose jobs it is to _ the law enforcement agencies whose jobs it is to look at potential political— jobs it is to look at potential political unrest, if they are on that— political unrest, if they are on that levet— political unrest, if they are on that level of edge, that to me, christian. _ that level of edge, that to me, christian, says there is a whole lot going _ christian, says there is a whole lot going on— christian, says there is a whole lot going on that none of us know about, and that— going on that none of us know about, and that frightens me immensely.
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it is just past four o'clock. you are right ron, i have never seen the capital is locked on as it is today, even after the attacks of 9/11. it's just after 4pm on the united states and we are bringing you the live coverage of the second impeachment vote of president donaldj trump. we are, it's began about 1015 minutes ago. we were hearing from ron christie there, we think it will be about another half hour. i went to explain what you're seeing here —— seeing here. in the yeh column, those of the members of congress who are in favor of impeaching donald trump. in the navy column, those of the members of congress who are against him of course, just as i start talking, the numbers have gone from about we do not control the cameras. i'm afraid this is the house to be controlling the cameras. adjuster you know, there we are. in the name column, those are the members who are against the impeachment. at the moment, the yeas habits, but we need to get to 218 either way. that would give us a
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majority one way or the other of members of the congress. at the moment, 113 democrats who are in favor of impeaching donald trump, no democrats against impeaching donald trump so far, and we have four republican so far who are in favor impeaching —— impeaching donald trump in 106 were publicans who are against impeaching donald trump. they act and —— that envy column at the end of the ones who have not yet voted, so 107 democrats, 98 republicans, they have not yet voted. watch the totals at the bottom. at the moment, we are at 119 in favor of impeachment, 218, that's the magic number that would get us over the threshold that is needed to impeach the president. we are expected to get there, it's going to be interesting to see how many republicans join their democratic colleagues. let's get the latest from capitol hill and speak to the bbc�*s barbara plett usher. it's externally that we are on a day
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that america has never seen before. america has never impeached the same president twice. and it is happening and whether it is only a week after that attack that a lot of debt republicans and democrats were afraid for their lives. where there is a sense of almost sobriety and sadness, because i've spoken to democrats and republicans over the last week, and even republicans were not voting to impeach the president, they do have a sense of sadness about the state that the country and the capital is in. katty from i think there is a sense of sadness, — katty from i think there is a sense of sadness, but also a sense that congress — of sadness, but also a sense that congress people are still rattled. the second session a special, there were _ the second session a special, there were two— the second session a special, there were two sessions today where the tawmakers — were two sessions today where the lawmakers spoke, the second one was very emotional, and you had a specialty— very emotional, and you had a specially democrats say things like we could _ specially democrats say things like we could all have died. what did you think would — we could all have died. what did you think would happen if the mob got through— think would happen if the mob got through the door? the other mob was
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going _ through the door? the other mob was going to _ through the door? the other mob was going to try— through the door? the other mob was going to try and lynch the vice president— going to try and lynch the vice president and assassinate the speaker— president and assassinate the speaker of the house. i heard them banging _ speaker of the house. i heard them banging on — speaker of the house. i heard them hanging on the doors. so you've got banging on the doors. so you've got a lot of— banging on the doors. so you've got a lot of that — banging on the doors. so you've got a lot of that very charged emotional remembrance of what happened, and i think to _ remembrance of what happened, and i think to a _ remembrance of what happened, and i think to a large degree, that is probably— think to a large degree, that is probably why we are here, because they have _ probably why we are here, because they have that very visceral experience personally, and then of course, _ experience personally, and then of course, they saw it as an unacceptable and unprecedented attack— unacceptable and unprecedented attack on the building and on democracy itself in the closing arguments on the democrat side commit — arguments on the democrat side commit was noted that not since 9/11 had there _ commit was noted that not since 9/11 had there been any physical attack on the _ had there been any physical attack on the government. this one came from _ on the government. this one came from inside — on the government. this one came from inside. there is a lot of emotion— from inside. there is a lot of emotion surrounding this. notjust about— emotion surrounding this. notjust about that, — emotion surrounding this. notjust about that, ito say. the second was quite _ about that, ito say. the second was quite sharply partisan, and a lot of mr trump's— quite sharply partisan, and a lot of mr trump's most loyal supporters speaking — mr trump's most loyal supporters speaking out, being very critical of this move — speaking out, being very critical of this move to impeach him, saying that several different things, but one of—
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that several different things, but one of them, the sharpest criticism was that— one of them, the sharpest criticism was that the democrats had always wanted to impeach — democrats had always wanted to impeach donald trump, they had always— impeach donald trump, they had always wanted to crush them you know, _ always wanted to crush them you know, through the russia investigation through whatever, and now they— investigation through whatever, and now they were doing so just a week before _ now they were doing so just a week before he _ now they were doing so just a week before he was leaving office. so you have got _ before he was leaving office. so you have got some very harsh language as well. have got some very harsh language as wett~ i_ have got some very harsh language as wett~ ifett— have got some very harsh language as wett~ tfett it _ have got some very harsh language as well. i felt it was a very emotional debate _ well. i felt it was a very emotional debate. ~ , :, �* , ., debate. we shouldn't underestimate that this is a — debate. we shouldn't underestimate that this is a moment _ debate. we shouldn't underestimate that this is a moment of— debate. we shouldn't underestimate that this is a moment of history. - that this is a moment of history. it's a real moment of truth here. so whatever these lawmakers decide to do today, it stays with them forever, barbara. yes, that's true. and i was listening _ yes, that's true. and i was listening to your conversation earlier— listening to your conversation earlier about liz cheney, the person who has _ earlier about liz cheney, the person who has taken the most difficult, i think. _ who has taken the most difficult, i think. and — who has taken the most difficult, i think, and possibly consequential stand _ think, and possibly consequential stand in— think, and possibly consequential stand in terms of their own personal political— stand in terms of their own personal political history. she came out not only very — political history. she came out not only very publicly saying that she would _ only very publicly saying that she would vote for impeachment, but did so in the _ would vote for impeachment, but did so in the starkest possible words, and i_ so in the starkest possible words, and i am — so in the starkest possible words, and i am sure you have heard them guoted _ and i am sure you have heard them quoted several times, but that the president— quoted several times, but that the president summoned them to the capital _ president summoned them to the capital. he assembled them and lit the fuse _
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capital. he assembled them and lit the fuse under their riot, and that this was— the fuse under their riot, and that this was the greatest betrayal of any president ever, and i tell you, you know. — any president ever, and i tell you, you know, she didn't speak today, but i _ you know, she didn't speak today, but i think— you know, she didn't speak today, but i think her name was used and quoted _ but i think her name was used and quoted more than any other in the closing _ quoted more than any other in the closing speech of the democratic leader. _ closing speech of the democratic leader. i— closing speech of the democratic leader, i think he name dropped her five or— leader, i think he name dropped her five or six— leader, i think he name dropped her five or six times, so the democrats used _ five or six times, so the democrats used what — five or six times, so the democrats used what she said to bolster their argument. — used what she said to bolster their argument, and on the other side, she is the _ argument, and on the other side, she is the number three argument, and on the other side, she is the numberthree in argument, and on the other side, she is the number three in congress, as you know. _ is the number three in congress, as you know. so — is the number three in congress, as you know, so what she said also will have opened the way for those republicans, or given them some political— republicans, or given them some political cover if they wanted to vote _ political cover if they wanted to vote for — political cover if they wanted to vote for impeachment, and we went into the _ vote for impeachment, and we went into the session knowing that five members — into the session knowing that five members of the house were prepared to do so, _ members of the house were prepared to do so, and we now understand that nine have _ to do so, and we now understand that nine have made public that they are prepared _ nine have made public that they are prepared to do so. barbara, for the moments, we will come back to come as this unfolds. you can see the tallies there, 141 in favor of impeachment so far. 218 is the magic number. six republican so far in the a column.
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last time that donald trump was impeached not a single republican voted for impeaching the president. this time around — the voices have been growing. and we couldn't have eight, by the way, by the time this end. —— we could have eight. and some of the republican establisment has been vocal. denver riggleman was a republican congressman until the beginning the month — and as a part of a long twitter thread supporting impeachment — he said. "if there is no accountability for potus & allies pushing "radical conspiracies, those who believe trump "is the ordained protector will believe the conspiracies true, "that he had so much evidence against evil—doers "they would not convict him. let's bring mr riggle men in. thank you very much forjoining us. i was just listening to that's conversation there with our correspondence, barbara up on the hill. and i was wondering whether democrats and republicans feel on a personal level different about what
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happened last week? did democrats feel they were more under threat fan republicans felt? and therefore feel on a personal level the gravity of the attack more than republicans did? i the attack more than republicans did? ~' the attack more than republicans did? ~ ,:, : the attack more than republicans did? ~ ~ ., ~ i. did? i think so. and i thank you really felt _ did? i think so. and i thank you really felt the _ did? i think so. and i thank you really felt the brunt _ did? i think so. and i thank you really felt the brunt of - did? i think so. and i thank you really felt the brunt of the - did? i think so. and i thank you i really felt the brunt of the attack, obviously — really felt the brunt of the attack, obviously were democrats, but also vice president mike pence. and that's— vice president mike pence. and that's what the surprise of this is to me _ that's what the surprise of this is to me that _ that's what the surprise of this is to me. that we had individuals in the capital— to me. that we had individuals in the capital saying, "hang mike pence" — the capital saying, "hang mike pence." and i've said this before, this is— pence." and i've said this before, this is a _ pence." and i've said this before, this is a must unprecedented in the history— this is a must unprecedented in the history of— this is a must unprecedented in the history of the united states to have a seat _ history of the united states to have a seat on _ history of the united states to have a seat on the capital that was completely based on fantasy, conspiracy theories, stop the steel, inserting _ conspiracy theories, stop the steel, inserting codes into the voting machines, hugo chavez being part of this, white _ machines, hugo chavez being part of this, white vans dumping ballots or burning _ this, white vans dumping ballots or burning ballots. all of this was trite _ burning ballots. all of this was trite it— burning ballots. all of this was trite. it was made up fantasy from individuals— trite. it was made up fantasy from individuals that went all the way up to the _ individuals that went all the way up to the president. a lot of people were _ to the president. a lot of people were concentrating on the language. you know. _
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were concentrating on the language. you know, the driving aggressiveness of it on— you know, the driving aggressiveness of it on the _ you know, the driving aggressiveness of it on the rally during january six from — of it on the rally during january six from mel brooks to madison cothran— six from mel brooks to madison cothran to donald trump junior, six from mel brooks to madison cothran to donald trumpjunior, all the way— cothran to donald trumpjunior, all the way up — cothran to donald trumpjunior, all the way up to the president, and obvious— the way up to the president, and obvious you know trial by combat by rudy giuliani, but i would wholly submit _ rudy giuliani, but i would wholly submit to— rudy giuliani, but i would wholly submit to you today that, really, it's compiling the amount of disinformation over the last few months — disinformation over the last few months and how aggressive it was and how it _ months and how aggressive it was and how it painted democrats as evil, and it— how it painted democrats as evil, and it dehumanize them, so you can see where _ and it dehumanize them, so you can see where that emotion comes from. do you _ see where that emotion comes from. do you think— see where that emotion comes from. do you think that the argument we have been hearing, christian and i are running through some of the arguments that republicans have made against and each meant, and one of the arguments they have made is that impeachment is a dangerous prospect because president trump's supporters, those people who came to the capital and attacked it last week could be inflamed by impeachment and it could lead to more violence. that's a political
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argument, i guess, more violence. that's a political argument, iguess, it's more violence. that's a political argument, i guess, it's not a legal argument. what do you make of it? it's a great arguments generate? annoyance, the bully keeps taking my milk money, so i willjust give him more _ milk money, so i willjust give him more than — milk money, so i willjust give him more than x — milk money, so i willjust give him more than x day. it's ludicrous to think— more than x day. it's ludicrous to think about, _ more than x day. it's ludicrous to think about, especially from an intelligence military operations perspective. you're talking about individuals that stormed the capital, _ individuals that stormed the capital, hey guys, it's ok. you know what, _ capital, hey guys, it's ok. you know what. we _ capital, hey guys, it's ok. you know what, we don't want you to be matter. — what, we don't want you to be matter. so _ what, we don't want you to be matter, so we are not going to impeach — matter, so we are not going to impeach the president or you know, hold anybody accountable for this. and we _ hold anybody accountable for this. and we just want you to go to wait and be _ and we just want you to go to wait and be happy and understand all that stuff we _ and be happy and understand all that stuff we set about stop the steel and ballots being burned, and the democratic cabal of satan worshiping pedophiles that are trying to take the president out, we willjust ignore — the president out, we willjust ignore that. i find it so ludicrous. i ignore that. i find it so ludicrous. i find _ ignore that. i find it so ludicrous. i find it— ignore that. i find it so ludicrous. i find it so— ignore that. i find it so ludicrous. i find it so fantastical that for somebody who did not come from the political— somebody who did not come from the political world and came from the military— political world and came from the military world, listen, some of those — military world, listen, some of those are _ military world, listen, some of those are my friends were saying that, _ those are my friends were saying that, i_ those are my friends were saying that, i think it's irresponsible, it's also— that, i think it's irresponsible, it's also a _ that, i think it's irresponsible, it's also a copout. and it's those individuals— it's also a copout. and it's those individuals who know something very bad individuals who know something very had happened, they had to get some
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kind bad happened, they had to get some kind of— had happened, they had to get some kind of messaging in republican conference, and that is, i almost said something really bad, that's the rubbish they came up with. and i think that's _ the rubbish they came up with. and i think that's why i'm very disappointed in many of those using that argument because it's absolutely fantastical and nonsensical to anybody outside the political _ nonsensical to anybody outside the political arena.— political arena. what impact does all of us, political arena. what impact does all of us. the _ political arena. what impact does all of us, the storming _ political arena. what impact does all of us, the storming of- political arena. what impact does all of us, the storming of the - political arena. what impact does all of us, the storming of the s i all of us, the storming of the s become of the impeachment this week, have fun president trump's hold over the republican party for the next four years? i the republican party for the next four years?— the republican party for the next four years? i think it strengthens it in certain _ four years? i think it strengthens it in certain districts. _ four years? i think it strengthens it in certain districts. when - four years? i think it strengthens it in certain districts. when you l it in certain districts. when you are looking at polling or individuals, at the grassroots level. — individuals, at the grassroots level, they are still quite sure that— level, they are still quite sure that this — level, they are still quite sure that this was a false flag operation which _ that this was a false flag operation which is _ that this was a false flag operation which is another conspiracy theory that was— which is another conspiracy theory that was pushed, not only by people around _ that was pushed, not only by people around the _ that was pushed, not only by people around the president, but by congressional representatives, and you see _ congressional representatives, and you see individual still believing that, _ you see individual still believing that, and — you see individual still believing that, and by the way, starting to metastasize in a different direction. we are seeing with the institute — direction. we are seeing with the institute is— direction. we are seeing with the institute is that it's becoming more and more _ institute is that it's becoming more and more biblical prophecy that president trump will stay in as
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president— president trump will stay in as president has 2021, i saw on youtube you with _ president has 2021, i saw on youtube you with 185,000 likes, facebook, by the way. _ you with 185,000 likes, facebook, by the way, not — you with 185,000 likes, facebook, by the way, not youtube, vegetated on, where _ the way, not youtube, vegetated on, where they— the way, not youtube, vegetated on, where they said that the president was in _ where they said that the president was in a _ where they said that the president was in a bunker and where they said that the president was in a bunkerand it where they said that the president was in a bunker and it was about —— she was— was in a bunker and it was about —— she was about — was in a bunker and it was about —— she was about to take over, and this was a _ she was about to take over, and this was a pastor— she was about to take over, and this was a pastor who said he got the information directly. all of this is happening right now, but you are seeing _ happening right now, but you are seeing an— happening right now, but you are seeing an increase in some violent rhetoric— seeing an increase in some violent rhetoric in — seeing an increase in some violent rhetoric in certain circles. let me say this, — rhetoric in certain circles. let me say this, a — rhetoric in certain circles. let me say this, a lot of the people are migrating — say this, a lot of the people are migrating quickly away from other platforms where they have been banned, — platforms where they have been banned, mass migration to signal, to telegram, _ banned, mass migration to signal, to telegram, so— banned, mass migration to signal, to telegram, so now we are seeing people — telegram, so now we are seeing people going to encrypted channels to spread _ people going to encrypted channels to spread this nonsense. this is a scary— to spread this nonsense. this is a scary time — to spread this nonsense. this is a scary time. and i have said before, social— scary time. and i have said before, social media — scary time. and i have said before, social media allows the metastases and of— social media allows the metastases and of crazy faster than any medium we have _ and of crazy faster than any medium we have had — and of crazy faster than any medium we have had in the history of the world, _ we have had in the history of the world, really. i�*m we have had in the history of the world. really-— world, really. i'm going to show something _ world, really. i'm going to show something to — world, really. i'm going to show something to our _ world, really. i'm going to show something to our reviewers - world, really. i'm going to show something to our reviewers to l something to our reviewers to underline that point. this is from marjorie taylor green, she is the republican congresswoman from georgia. she posted this yesterday, after everything that has happened in the last week,
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a lot of concern, congressman, has been about the enablers, and there you have one of the republicans still feeding the lie that this time, next week, donald trump will still be president. i time, next week, donald trump will still be president.— still be president. i responded to that tweet. _ still be president. i responded to that tweet, and _ still be president. i responded to that tweet, and really _ still be president. i responded to that tweet, and really what - still be president. i responded to that tweet, and really what i - still be president. i responded to i that tweet, and really what i wanted to say— that tweet, and really what i wanted to say was _ that tweet, and really what i wanted to say was that person is an insidious— to say was that person is an insidious scripture or ignorance. there _ insidious scripture or ignorance. there is— insidious scripture or ignorance. there is no— insidious scripture or ignorance. there is no other explanation for it. there is no other explanation for it again. — there is no other explanation for it. again, it's very difficult when people — it. again, it's very difficult when people hear me talk bluntly like this. _ people hear me talk bluntly like this, because i would be doing it if i this, because i would be doing it if i was _ this, because i would be doing it if i was still— this, because i would be doing it if i was still in — this, because i would be doing it if i was still in congress, which is why— i was still in congress, which is why got— i was still in congress, which is why got in— i was still in congress, which is why got in trouble before, they said if you _ why got in trouble before, they said if you use _ why got in trouble before, they said if you use these specific words that she is— if you use these specific words that she is using, it is the language of radicalization. i have said this over— radicalization. i have said this over and _ radicalization. i have said this over and over for months, as you guys _ over and over for months, as you guys know. — over and over for months, as you guys know. i_ over and over for months, as you guys know, i have warned that this is what _ guys know, i have warned that this is what happens when you tell people that it _ is what happens when you tell people that it is _ is what happens when you tell people that it is good against evil, that we have — that it is good against evil, that we have the proof. it's right here,
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it's mathematically proven that the democrats stole the election. that there _ democrats stole the election. that there is— democrats stole the election. that there is some mass conspiracy with there is some mass conspiracy with the fbi. _ there is some mass conspiracy with the fbi. the — there is some mass conspiracy with the fbi, the cia, all of the statehouses, and that's republicans and democrats to come and out somehow. _ and democrats to come and out somehow, they were able to beam codes _ somehow, they were able to beam codes into— somehow, they were able to beam codes into all of these machines that are — codes into all of these machines that are not interconnected and change — that are not interconnected and change all of these votes. it is absolutely poppycock. it's ridiculous. and the people who pushed — ridiculous. and the people who pushed us, there is either an iq limit _ pushed us, there is either an iq limit that— pushed us, there is either an iq limit that they have been given, or they are _ limit that they have been given, or they are drifting or pandering to a certain— they are drifting or pandering to a certain set— they are drifting or pandering to a certain set of people and not telling — certain set of people and not telling them the truth. and that's why that — telling them the truth. and that's why that is shameful what was put out there — why that is shameful what was put out there on social media. congressman rickman, good to have your thoughts. congressman rickman, good to have yourthoughts. inc. congressman rickman, good to have your thoughts. inc. you very much for being with us. the figures are just off the screen at the moment, but i can tell you we are still, there we go, so we are working our way towards the magic number of 218, which we expect they will get two, 183 in the democratic column, and now seven or publicans in favor of impeachment, not faraway
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now seven or publicans in favor of impeachment, not far away from that. under the v their comments those who are still to vote, 67 tigris men and women still to vote, so we will bring you the result of that as it comes in. we will keep it on screen. let's bring in the former trump campaign adviser, bryan lanza. good of you to spare some time again and come back and just give us some impression of what will be going on in the white house as they watch this, defiance yesterday from president trump. what is his mood today? president trump. what is his mood toda ? :. ~ president trump. what is his mood toda ? :, ~' president trump. what is his mood toda ? :, ,, :, ., today? thank you for having me. i haven't checked _ today? thank you for having me. i haven't checked in _ today? thank you for having me. i haven't checked in with _ today? thank you for having me. i haven't checked in with him - today? thank you for having me. i l haven't checked in with him directly to see _ haven't checked in with him directly to see what — haven't checked in with him directly to see what his mood is, but i have checked _ to see what his mood is, but i have checked in — to see what his mood is, but i have checked in with staff. they are all 'ust checked in with staff. they are all just watching, they are angry, they are angry— just watching, they are angry, they are angry that this is how it ends, some _ are angry that this is how it ends, some are — are angry that this is how it ends, some are upset at the president, summer— some are upset at the president, summer upset a politics, and some are you _ summer upset a politics, and some are you know, stilled set at themselves that they are in this position — themselves that they are in this position. a lot of anger at the white — position. a lot of anger at the white house right now. tor— white house right now. for me. _ white house right now. for me, one of the more remarkable statements today was from kevin mccarthy, who has been so close to president trump, and really, what he reiterated was that briefing that we
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got earlier in the week about the phone call he had had with president trump in which he said to him, "look, it's over." the election is lost these are mega people on the hill, you hear responsibility for that. he said that on the house for today. how would that go down with the president? that is quite a break with someone he has considered a friend? . . . with someone he has considered a friend? , , , :, friend? the president lives for lo al . friend? the president lives for loyalty- he — friend? the president lives for loyalty. he will— friend? the president lives for loyalty. he will probably - friend? the president lives for - loyalty. he will probably interview this -- _ loyalty. he will probably interview this —— view this interview as me being _ this —— view this interview as me being disloyal, so he will view those — being disloyal, so he will view those comments on the house for as something _ those comments on the house for as something that is disloyal. he will be angry — something that is disloyal. he will be angry. his first response will be "what _ be angry. his first response will be "what can— be angry. his first response will be "what can we do to push back? " i want _ "what can we do to push back? " i want to— "what can we do to push back? " i want to be — "what can we do to push back? " i want to be surprised if the president tries to find somebody to primary— president tries to find somebody to primary kevin mccarthy. that's just the reaction to these things when he feels he's _ the reaction to these things when he feels he's been crossed.— feels he's been crossed. brian, do ou thank feels he's been crossed. brian, do you thank you _ feels he's been crossed. brian, do you thank you might _ feels he's been crossed. brian, do you thank you might try _ feels he's been crossed. brian, do you thank you might try to - feels he's been crossed. brian, do you thank you might try to pardon | you thank you might try to pardon himself between now in the end of his presidency? and if he does, what impact does that have on him legally? i impact does that have on him leaall ? :, , impact does that have on him leaall ? :,, :, :, impact does that have on him leaall ? :, :, ,, :,
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legally? i hope not. you know, i hoe legally? i hope not. you know, i ho -e not legally? i hope not. you know, i hope not because _ legally? i hope not. you know, i hope not because i _ legally? i hope not. you know, i hope not because i think - legally? i hope not. you know, i hope not because i think it - legally? i hope not. you know, i hope not because i think itjustl hope not because i think itjust sets— hope not because i think itjust sets up— hope not because i think itjust sets up more legal dangers. you know, _ sets up more legal dangers. you know, when you pardon yourself, when you accept— know, when you pardon yourself, when you accept a _ know, when you pardon yourself, when you accept a pardon, i'm doing this for several— you accept a pardon, i'm doing this for several clients as we speak you know, _ for several clients as we speak you know. there — for several clients as we speak you know, there is a lot of civil liberties _ know, there is a lot of civil liberties you give upcoming you can be searched at any time now. there are a _ be searched at any time now. there are a lot _ be searched at any time now. there are a lot of— be searched at any time now. there are a lot of things that you give up when _ are a lot of things that you give up when you — are a lot of things that you give up when you accept a pardon. you are acknowledging that a crime took place _ acknowledging that a crime took place so— acknowledging that a crime took place. so by doing that's you know, ithink— place. so by doing that's you know, i think he _ place. so by doing that's you know, i think he further tarnishes his presidency. i hope he doesn't do it, because _ presidency. i hope he doesn't do it, because it _ presidency. i hope he doesn't do it, because it almost forces the biden administration to legally go after him. _ administration to legally go after him, because you can't plant that stand _ him, because you can't plant that stand. there will be so much pressure _ stand. there will be so much pressure on biden to not let that stand. _ pressure on biden to not let that stand. and — pressure on biden to not let that stand, and you would be surprised that the _ stand, and you would be surprised that the administration tries to challenge that pardon and goes after him. challenge that pardon and goes after him i_ challenge that pardon and goes after him ithink— challenge that pardon and goes after him. i think ultimately the president will win because the constitution is pretty clear that the pardon is absolute, but it's 'ust the pardon is absolute, but it's just another chapter, you know, of this book— just another chapter, you know, of this book that we don't need to have. _ this book that we don't need to have. and — this book that we don't need to have, and you could just go quietly into these — have, and you could just go quietly into these next seven days. so have, and you could just go quietly into these next seven days.- into these next seven days. so we are at 200 — into these next seven days. so we
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are at 200 votes _ into these next seven days. so we are at 200 votes now, _ into these next seven days. so we are at 200 votes now, 201 - into these next seven days. so we are at 200 votes now, 201 votes l into these next seven days. so we | are at 200 votes now, 201 votes in favor of impeaching the president, as we keep saying, the magic number is two entered 18, you're just sort of clicking over, 193 democrats, nine republicans, it's not exactly a flood of republicans, more, of course than the first time the president was impeached when none did, but it's not a flood, nine, what impact do you think this has on donald trump's hold over the republican party? and on other republicans who might want to run for the presidency in four years time. first thing, let's be clear, this is a bipartisan _ first thing, let's be clear, this is a bipartisan rebuke of president trump~ — a bipartisan rebuke of president trump. it's different when it's partisan. _ trump. it's different when it's partisan, because you have republicans and democrats on the opposite _ republicans and democrats on the opposite side yelling, but i think it carries — opposite side yelling, but i think it carries a — opposite side yelling, but i think it carries a little bit more weight when _ it carries a little bit more weight when it— it carries a little bit more weight when it something that becomes bipartisan. so i think this bipartisan. so i think this bipartisan thing will hurt the president in the short—term. in the lon- president in the short—term. in the long term. — president in the short—term. in the long term, the president, his policies — long term, the president, his policies are still very popular within— policies are still very popular within the republican party. this new economic message of fair trade is not _
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new economic message of fair trade is not something that permeated the republican party for a very long time _ republican party for a very long time you — republican party for a very long time. you know, we are more free traders~ _ time. you know, we are more free traders~ and — time. you know, we are more free traders. and so you're going to have a lot of— traders. and so you're going to have a lot of those policies still continue to be involved in the republican party, and trump has changed — republican party, and trump has changed the trajectory of the republic— changed the trajectory of the republic and party for a very long time _ time. he hasjust time. - he hasjust put time. — he hasjust put out a statement he has just put out a statement today saying that he wants people to be peaceful. do you think he's being advised internally, brian, that there is some legaljeopardy in this for him? there is some legal 'eopardy in this for him? . there is some legal 'eopardy in this for him? , :, , �* there is some legal 'eopardy in this forhim? , :, , �* ., for him? yes, doesn't matter? i think the message _ for him? yes, doesn't matter? i think the message let _ for him? yes, doesn't matter? i think the message let there - for him? yes, doesn't matter? i think the message let there be l think the message let there be peace. — think the message let there be peace, thick at the end of the day you know. — peace, thick at the end of the day you know, he is on who will put the statement — you know, he is on who will put the statement in and get criticized or not put _ statement in and get criticized or not put it— statement in and get criticized or not put it out get criticized for my brother _ not put it out get criticized for my brother have the statement and people — brother have the statement and people say, hey, listen for the president— people say, hey, listen for the president put out a statement, let's not escalate this to a violent level — not escalate this to a violent level. when your president, life is not fair. _ level. when your president, life is not fair. he — level. when your president, life is not fair, he will be criticized regardless, but i'm happy to statement is out there so that there is no ambiguity where the president stands _ is no ambiguity where the president stands on _ is no ambiguity where the president stands on what needs to happen, what are the _ stands on what needs to happen, what are the expectations that he has of his supporters in the last seven days— his supporters in the last seven days and —
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his supporters in the last seven days and beyond. one his supporters in the last seven days and beyond.— days and beyond. one of those republicans — days and beyond. one of those republicans incidentally - days and beyond. one of those republicans incidentally that's | days and beyond. one of those - republicans incidentally that's come across that we didn't know about is representative peter mayer from michigan to me said president trump betrayed his oath of office by seeking to undermine our constitutional process. he bears responsibly for inciting the insurrection. we suffered last week with a heavy heart, i will vote to impeach. what about mitch mcconnell? is he talking about mitch mcconnell? is he talking about mitch mcconnell? :. . mcconnell? is he talking about mitch mcconnell? :, , , mcconnell? is he talking about mitch mcconnell? :. . . . mcconnell? yeah. is president trump talkin: mcconnell? yeah. is president trump talking about — mcconnell? yeah. is president trump talking about mitch _ mcconnell? yeah. is president trump talking about mitch mcconnell? - mcconnell? yeah. is president trump talking about mitch mcconnell? no, | talking about mitch mcconnell? no, they are _ talking about mitch mcconnell? no, they are not speaking, as i understand it. and we are still... i think— understand it. and we are still... i think we _ understand it. and we are still... i think we both know mitch does a really— think we both know mitch does a really good job keeping his cards close _ really good job keeping his cards close to — really good job keeping his cards close to his vest and ultimately making — close to his vest and ultimately making the right decision for his constituency and his senators. i would _ constituency and his senators. i would not — constituency and his senators. i would not be surprised that, you know. _ would not be surprised that, you know, when the trial in the senate takes _ know, when the trial in the senate takes place, that mitch comes on the other— takes place, that mitch comes on the other side _ takes place, that mitch comes on the other side of president trump. gk, other side of president trump. ok, brian, other side of president trump. ok, brian. thank— other side of president trump. oi, brian, thank you. as other side of president trump. (zii, brian, thank you. as ever, brian, forjoining us here on the programme on this very historic day. ijust
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want to explain quickly what's going on, 211 members of congress, including nine which makes it bipartisan, as brian was expanding, 212 now, we are waiting to get to 218. once we get to 218, that means democrats have enough votes to get donald term so connect trump impeached. it's not over until the gavel falls. and that depends on the speaker of the house. those of you who have eagle eyes, perhaps we can move our red banner at the bottom, because you will see that the time remaining is actually zero. in theory, they are only allowed to have 15 minutes, there is nothing left on the clock, but because of covid and the fact that you can't have many members in congress at any one time in the hall, in the chamber, the time has been extended, and we will wait until those 25 not yet voted now 24, they will have a chance to vote. we are watching that 217 number, once that clicks over, there you go. it went quickly past
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it, 221 now, donald trump will be the only american in american history to have been impeached twice. we are waiting for the gavel to fall, until all members of congress have had their chance to vote, but they needed 218 votes, they have 218 votes, three american presidents, andrewjohnson, bill clinton, donald trump have been impeached, that's it in american history. they were only impeached once, bill clinton, andrewjohnson, now donald trump. he will be the first american president to be impeached twice. now there is another republican is welcome at ten republicans have voted, which does make it bipartisan on this historic moment and we willjump in when the gavel falls, we will be joined by the can tripping rater to the past present we are going to make history, neil, andjust present we are going to make history, neil, and just a second. it's unprecedented to have a sitting
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us president did it's a monumental event _ us president did it's a monumental event when it happens once, but for it to have _ event when it happens once, but for it to have happened twice against this president in less than a year no less. — this president in less than a year no less. it's _ this president in less than a year no less, it's remarkable. we now have bill clinton _ no less, it's remarkable. we now have bill clinton in _ no less, it's remarkable. we now have bill clinton in the _ no less, it's remarkable. we now have bill clinton in the 1990s, i have bill clinton in the 1990s, donald trump in 2010 being impeached twice. is impeachment picking up in popularity or in american politics? or do you think this specific to this particular man? i or do you think this specific to this particular man?— or do you think this specific to this particular man? i think it is secific this particular man? i think it is specific to _ this particular man? i think it is specific to this _ this particular man? i think it is specific to this particular - this particular man? i think it is specific to this particular man, | this particular man? i think it is i specific to this particular man, but the concern — specific to this particular man, but the concern about the impeachment proceedings against clinton from the critics— proceedings against clinton from the critics of— proceedings against clinton from the critics of that was that this was opening — critics of that was that this was opening up a new door that we didn't really— opening up a new door that we didn't really want _ opening up a new door that we didn't really want to go through in american politics, that if you could impeached — american politics, that if you could impeached clinton over the charges that he _ impeached clinton over the charges that he was impeached for, this is going _ that he was impeached for, this is going to _ that he was impeached for, this is going to become political tactics that opponents use regularly, and we
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haven't— that opponents use regularly, and we haven't seen that happen in the presidency's between clinton and trump~ _ presidency's between clinton and trump~ i— presidency's between clinton and trump. i think this speaks to the particular— trump. i think this speaks to the particular unique circumstances of who trump— particular unique circumstances of who trump is and how he has governed as president _ who trump is and how he has governed as president. and the charges against — as president. and the charges against them. this has become a political— against them. this has become a political tactic, against them. this has become a politicaltactic, political tactic, as _ political tactic, as they— politicaltactic, as they strip impeachment a problem for repugnance of the moment? because when you look back at the bill clinton impeachment, which of course, they pursued over a sexual act, but was actually perjury in front of a grand jury that he was impeached for, compare that to what representative meyer has just said that the president bears responsibility for inciting in insurrection. i mean, they are incomparable in that instance, and therefore, is it a tougher sell for republicans to say, look, we should just move on?— just move on? exactly. i think you know, just move on? exactly. i think you know. most _
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just move on? exactly. i think you know, most opponents _ just move on? exactly. i think you know, most opponents of- just move on? exactly. i think you know, most opponents of the - know, most opponents of the impeachment proceedings against clinton. _ impeachment proceedings against clinton, most of the critics would say. _ clinton, most of the critics would say. they— clinton, most of the critics would say, they took very minimal charges, charges _ say, they took very minimal charges, charges about a personal matter of conduct _ charges about a personal matter of conduct and made them into a maximum charge _ conduct and made them into a maximum charge of— conduct and made them into a maximum charge of unconstitutional behavior. now to _ charge of unconstitutional behavior. now to have had the us capital violated — now to have had the us capital violated by terrorist attack incited by a sitting us presidents, and to have _ by a sitting us presidents, and to have republican congressmen and women _ have republican congressmen and women acknowledge that that is exactly— women acknowledge that that is exactly what transpired last wednesday, they acknowledge that. they said _ wednesday, they acknowledge that. they said that in their senate and house _ they said that in their senate and house speeches last wednesday evening. — house speeches last wednesday evening, but to then not to proceed and to— evening, but to then not to proceed and to not— evening, but to then not to proceed and to not vote for impeachment for those _ and to not vote for impeachment for those same — and to not vote for impeachment for those same very charges, i think hypocrisy— those same very charges, i think hypocrisy is _ those same very charges, i think hypocrisy is may be to kind of weird to explain _ hypocrisy is may be to kind of weird to explain the sort of decision—making that allows you to think— decision—making that allows you to think that — decision—making that allows you to think that the impeachment of bill clinton _ think that the impeachment of bill clinton was justified and an impeachment against a sitting us
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president who encouraged and aided this insurrection of the us capital is not _ this insurrection of the us capital is not. :, , :, ., , is not. for viewers who are 'ust 'oinin: is not. for viewers who are 'ust ioining fl is not. for viewers who are 'ust ioining you i is not. for viewers who are 'ust joining us, you can i is not. for viewers who are 'ust joining us, you can see i is not. for viewers who are 'ust joining us, you can see the i is not. for viewers who are just i joining us, you can see the figures they are on the screen. this is a historic moments. president trump hasjust become, well, he is the first president to be impeached twice. the only president in history to be impeached twice, and you will see there in the column that ten republicans have also voted to impeach him today. neil, nancy pelosi quotedek neil, nancy pelosi quoted jfk today when she took to her feet, quoting from 1963, she said" he had a speech written in which he'd written, "we in this country are by destiny, rather than by choice, the watchmen on the walls of world freedom." i want to show our viewers the pictures from the european magazine. this is the front page of the european magazine today. they have mocked up a picture of the president, i don't know if our
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director can find it, but really, it's a comment on the damage that is being done to america's image around the world, and particularly when you put it in context of that historical quotes, there you go. this is what people around the world are looking at and what they are thinking about american democracy at the moment. democrats up and sing that for the last four— democrats up and sing that for the last four years. it's been a common charge _ last four years. it's been a common charge of— last four years. it's been a common charge of democrats against this president and against the republicans that this president has weakened our relationship with our allies— weakened our relationship with our allies and _ weakened our relationship with our allies and has encouraged, you know, wrongdoing _ allies and has encouraged, you know, wrongdoing and has cozied up to our adversaries— wrongdoing and has cozied up to our adversaries and their leaders and very troubling ways. they've been saying _ very troubling ways. they've been saying that for four years. i think it was— saying that for four years. i think it was really smart of nancy pelosi to quote _ it was really smart of nancy pelosi to quote that particular lines from jfk. to— to quote that particular lines from jfk, to speak to the global implications of what happened last week on— implications of what happened last week on the us capital, in the global— week on the us capital, in the
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global consequences of what these impeachment proceedings, these impeachment proceedings, these impeachment charges against the president means. impeachment has always— president means. impeachment has always had — president means. impeachment has always had a sort of global dimension in the sense that bringing something _ dimension in the sense that bringing something this serious against a sitting _ something this serious against a sitting president obviously has consequences on the world stage. but ithink— consequences on the world stage. but i think that _ consequences on the world stage. but i think that all democrats and a lot of republicans, again, they acknowledged this week in many speeches on wednesday nights understand that the entire world was watching _ understand that the entire world was watching as the us capital was violated — watching as the us capital was violated by terrorists, domestic terrorists— violated by terrorists, domestic terrorists who were encouraged and incited _ terrorists who were encouraged and incited by— terrorists who were encouraged and incited by this sitting president. the global implications of such an event _ the global implications of such an event cannot be understated. and i think— event cannot be understated. and i think that _ event cannot be understated. and i think that was something that republicans, democrats feel an urgency— republicans, democrats feel an urgency about, and at least a handful— urgency about, and at least a handful of republicans do today in their vote — handful of republicans do today in their vote. :. .. handful of republicans do today in their vote. ., ,, , :, :, their vote. ok, neil, thank you for 'oinini their vote. ok, neil, thank you for
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joining us- — their vote. ok, neil, thank you for joining us- i— their vote. ok, neil, thank you for joining us- ijust— their vote. ok, neil, thank you for joining us. i just want _ their vote. ok, neil, thank you for joining us. i just want to _ their vote. ok, neil, thank you for joining us. ijust want to explain i joining us. ijust want to explain to people what is happening, because we are getting to a moment where the gavel will drop. there are only five members of congress four republicans and one democrat to haven't voted yet, that and be column at the end. i don't know if you can see on the left next to the lady in weight, there is another lady speaking to her, that is nancy poulos equal to the speaker of the house of representatives. i imagine that she will make remarks. —— nancy pelosi. we also understand from our sister station here in the united states that donald trump has prepared a video that he will release after the impeachment has been announced. it's not a done deal yet because the gavel has not fallen, it hasn't been declared, we are waiting for those other members. as soon as sunday start speaking, we will go straight to the house floor. democrats have the votes. donald trump will be impeached again. that's the second time in a one term presidency, donald trump, this most extraordinary american president,
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this most divisive american presidents, man for whom 70 million americans voted again, and who ardently love and support this president, and just as many americans revile him. he's been incredible he divisive in this country. he has a lot of supporters, he has a lot of detractors, now he will be the first american president ever to be impeached twice by the us house of representatives. the processes the same as last time, it then goes to a trial in the senate, and the senate will to vote. because then we expect her to speak and then we expect her to have some kind of announcement. last time a chorus we had in the senate and the senate did not vote to convict him. he was not removed from office. we are watching the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who is giving conflicting signals about whether he favors removing donald trump from office. there will have to be a lot more
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republicans in the senate to have to join him in orderfor him to be retroactively removed without let's listen in because there is nancy pelosi taking the microphone. she is being handed documents and she will being handed documents and she will be expected to speak any moment now. so as soon we hear her speaking, she's pushed the mic away. perhaps she's pushed the mic away. perhaps she's reading, checking the figures. andrewjohnson the first, bill clinton and the second we were talking about and president trump twice. so single—handedly he has doubled the number of impeachment that we've had in us history for that we've had in us history for that he likes to be talked about i'm not sure he would want his place in history to look like this. as we wait for that video after this has been i will then we can probably anticipate what he's going to say in that video. because we got a little bit of it yesterday on his way down to texas. many of these similar lines in fact that we heard in the
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first impeachment that this was a witch aunt, that the democrats were obsessed with trying to force them out of power. edward and abstract when you hear that video that he's going to show up much contrition. he's certainly not showed much contrition so far.— he's certainly not showed much contrition so far. he'll be looking at those numbers, _ contrition so far. he'll be looking at those numbers, the _ contrition so far. he'll be looking at those numbers, the kind - contrition so far. he'll be looking at those numbers, the kind of i at those numbers, the kind of numbers that frank was talking about earlier in the programmes and said that two thirds of republicans do believe as the president says that the election was stolen. it wasn't. but the president says it and they follow him. and they do believe it. he's can be looking at his support is anything when he makes that video recording to stop your remember that first impeachment we were talking about it for weeks and weeks. the whole process seemed to go on forever. this has been in operation at warp speed when it comes to in impeachment for the top is happen very, very fast. impeachment for the top is happen very. very fast-— impeachment for the top is happen very, very fast. yeah. that was part ofthe very, very fast. yeah. that was part of the bait — very, very fast. yeah. that was part of the bait today _ very, very fast. yeah. that was part of the bait today because _ of the bait today because republicans are making the point that we've not heard any of the evidence in committee. we've gone straight to the vote in the house
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was up what will be interesting when it comes to the trial in the senate is who mitch mcconnell allows it to give evidence. remember, he restricted the likes ofjohn bolton, the former national security officer wasn't able to give his evidence in the senate. will it be different this time? when we hear from the senate. will it be different this time? when we hearfrom dan skipping over and since? what this time? when we hear from dan skipping over and since?— skipping over and since? what it miiht not skipping over and since? what it might riot be _ skipping over and since? what it might not be mitch _ skipping over and since? what it might not be mitch mcconnell. skipping over and since? what it might not be mitch mcconnell of presiding over it. if this happens over night after the inauguration the majority leader is going to be chuck schumer. and he will be controlling the process for top he will be controlling the trial. and this is going to hang over donald trump. he will be down in florida most likely at mara lago. but at any moment over the next few months nancy pelosi can hand the articles of impeachment onto the senate and the trial can begin. and this will hang over him and there will be absolutely nothing he can do to control the timing of it. because we should make _ control the timing of it. because we should make the _ control the timing of it. because we should make the point _ control the timing of it. because we should make the point that - control the timing of it. because we should make the point that the - should make the point that the senate is not actually coming back
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until the 19th. and chuck schumer was saying in new york yesterday that with agreement between the minority majority leader can be sent back. i understand as far as simple as that. , ., , , , ., as that. does any member wish to chan . e as that. does any member wish to chanie a as that. does any member wish to change a vo? _ thatis that is a point of protocol to ask if any member wants to change a vote. they have that opportunity to do so. . vote. they have that opportunity to do so. , ., :, do so. interesting that four republicans _ do so. interesting that four republicans have _ do so. interesting that four republicans have not - do so. interesting that four| republicans have not voted. do so. interesting that four i republicans have not voted. i supposed to be questions about who they are and why they've not voted. i supposed to be questions about who they are and why they got voted. ifind
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they are and why they got voted. and donald trump will be looking very closely at who those ten republicans are who have voted in favor of impeaching him. and how much of a challenge will be mounted now to their chances to be reelected? he will like to think that they have signed their political death warrant. �* �* . signed their political death warrant. �* v . signed their political death warrant. �* �*, , warrant. but let's see. he said yesterday _ warrant. but let's see. he said yesterday on _ warrant. but let's see. he said yesterday on his _ warrant. but let's see. he said yesterday on his way _ warrant. but let's see. he said yesterday on his way down - warrant. but let's see. he said yesterday on his way down to l warrant. but let's see. he said - yesterday on his way down to texas that everybody thought his speech was appropriate for that what was really interesting about the debate today was that very few republicans defended what he said. fin today was that very few republicans defended what he said.— today was that very few republicans defended what he said. on days vote the e es or defended what he said. on days vote the eyes or 232- _ defended what he said. on days vote the eyes or 232. the _ defended what he said. on days vote the eyes or 232. the names - defended what he said. on days vote the eyes or 232. the names are - defended what he said. on days vote the eyes or 232. the names are 197. | the eyes or 232. the names are 197. there _ the eyes or 232. the names are 197. there is— the eyes or 232. the names are 197. there is a _ the eyes or 232. the names are 197. there is a resolution adopted without— there is a resolution adopted without objective. the motion to reconsider— without objective. the motion to reconsider it is laid on the table. and that — reconsider it is laid on the table. and that you have it. the gavel comes down, the motion has been adopted donald trump has been impeached. forthe adopted donald trump has been impeached. for the second time in his presidency. we can say it, nancy pelosi is moving away from the chair of the microphone it is official. he
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has now become the first american president to be impeached twice. as we were saying earlier and we will wait to see that video. because i have little doubt that he's been watching this process and been watching this process and been watching whatjust happened. watching what 'ust happened. house resolution watching what 'ust happened. house rosoiution to — watching whatjust happened. house resolution 40 is _ watching whatjust happened. house resolution 40 is hereby _ watching whatjust happened. house resolution 40 is hereby adopted. watching whatjust happened. house | resolution 40 is hereby adopted. how will democrats _ resolution 40 is hereby adopted. will democrats respond to the challenge of running a brand—new administration in the middle of a pandemic alongside the impeachment hearings. let's bring in amanda renteria. she worked as the national political director for hillary clinton during her 2016 presidential run and joins us now from oakland california. democrats have been making the point that they can walk and chew gum. they can getjoe bidens nominees confirmed through the senate but they can also hear senate impeachment trial as well. do you think that is possible? it is possible- _ think that is possible? it is possible. it's _ think that is possible? it is possible. it's certainly - think that is possible? it is possible. it's certainly a i think that is possible? it is possible. it's certainly a lot more possible — possible. it's certainly a lot more possible with chuck schumer as leader— possible with chuck schumer as leader they are. and working it through — leader they are. and working it
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through. the senate recognizes that there _ through. the senate recognizes that there are _ through. the senate recognizes that there are going to be these dual challenges that they are taking on. and it's _ challenges that they are taking on. and it's all— challenges that they are taking on. and it's all become a heck of a lot easier— and it's all become a heck of a lot easier now— and it's all become a heck of a lot easier now that there is more of a bipartisan — easier now that there is more of a bipartisan basis to understanding what happen and making sure to send a message _ what happen and making sure to send a message of accountability. this one thing — a message of accountability. this one thing to really keep in mind here. _ one thing to really keep in mind here. it's — one thing to really keep in mind here, it's unclear whether this dangerous subsides with just one vote _ dangerous subsides with just one vote it's — dangerous subsides with just one vote. it's unclear that whether the danger— vote. it's unclear that whether the danger around state capitals right now that — danger around state capitals right now that is happening in the country subsides _ now that is happening in the country subsides in — now that is happening in the country subsides injust a couple of days. when _ subsides injust a couple of days. when the — subsides injust a couple of days. when the administration changes. and that's as _ when the administration changes. and that's as important to think about in the _ that's as important to think about in the coming days. this is one—vote but really— in the coming days. this is one—vote but really the — in the coming days. this is one—vote but really the energy subside, does trump _ but really the energy subside, does trump actually sit back? i suspect he will— trump actually sit back? i suspect he will not — trump actually sit back? i suspect he will not do that. it is good to be a _ he will not do that. it is good to be a continued joint effort to figure — be a continued joint effort to figure out how to re—gear leadership while _ figure out how to re—gear leadership while you _ figure out how to re—gear leadership while you still have trump out there and his— while you still have trump out there and his supporters.— and his supporters. timing is an important _ and his supporters. timing is an important question _ and his supporters. timing is an important question now. - and his supporters. timing is an important question now. we - and his supporters. timing is an i important question now. we were and his supporters. timing is an - important question now. we were just saying a little earlier that the senate is not do to come back until the 19th. let's put ourselves in the shoes of the minority in the
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majority leader. first of all mitch mcconnell, what is he weighing out? he will be the minority leader which is a bit confusing for the up and then chuck schumer, how long can he wait and what will he do in the interim, what will he want to put before the senate?— interim, what will he want to put before the senate? he's got to be workini before the senate? he's got to be working with _ before the senate? he's got to be working with the _ before the senate? he's got to be working with the teams _ before the senate? he's got to be working with the teams that - before the senate? he's got to be working with the teams that he's. working with the teams that he's going _ working with the teams that he's going to — working with the teams that he's going to need in order to hit the ground — going to need in order to hit the ground running on day one. but to be fair, ground running on day one. but to be fair. this— ground running on day one. but to be fair, this gives mcconnell not only time _ fair, this gives mcconnell not only time to— fair, this gives mcconnell not only time to see what happens but also a little bit _ time to see what happens but also a little bit of— time to see what happens but also a little bit of leverage with trump. showing — little bit of leverage with trump. showing trump thing i should trump step in— showing trump thing i should trump step in and _ showing trump thing i should trump step in and incite more violence he can always — step in and incite more violence he can always bring back the senate. i think— can always bring back the senate. i think that _ can always bring back the senate. i think that might actually be a healthy— think that might actually be a healthy process of keeping trump in check— healthy process of keeping trump in check during this period of time. there _ check during this period of time. there is— check during this period of time. there is nothing that says tomorrow he can't. _ there is nothing that says tomorrow he can't, mcconnell can't wake up and say— he can't, mcconnell can't wake up and say that's it, i reached another limit _ and say that's it, i reached another limit we've — and say that's it, i reached another limit we've got a bring everyone together~ — limit we've got a bring everyone together. i think that does help really— together. i think that does help really control the out—of—control trump _ really control the out—of—control trump right now. really control the out-of-control trump right now.— really control the out-of-control trump right now. really control the out-of-control trum- riiht now. : :. :. �* , trump right now. amanda, you've 'ust said that there — trump right now. amanda, you've 'ust said that there is �* trump right now. amanda, you've 'ust said that there is more i trump right now. amanda, you've 'ust said that there is more offi trump right now. amanda, you've 'ust said that there is more of a i said that there is more of a bipartisan basis for accountability. do you really think there is? yes,
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some republicans cross the line but it wasn't a flood of republicans. that's right but seeing the numbers, three _ that's right but seeing the numbers, three republican in the house step up three republican in the house step up early— three republican in the house step up early on — three republican in the house step up early on in this voting process and say— up early on in this voting process and say i — up early on in this voting process and say i vote to impeach is a very bil and say i vote to impeach is a very big deal— and say i vote to impeach is a very big deal within the republican party — big deal within the republican party. hearing senator murkowski in the senate _ party. hearing senator murkowski in the senate a few days ago also saying — the senate a few days ago also saying that if we cannot get our act together— saying that if we cannot get our act together that she would consider leaving _ together that she would consider leaving the republican party. when the senate right now has a 5050 vote count _ the senate right now has a 5050 vote count. those are very big statements for the _ count. those are very big statements for the senate. i do believe this is a start— for the senate. i do believe this is a start of— for the senate. i do believe this is a start of a — for the senate. i do believe this is a start of a new bipartisan way forward — a start of a new bipartisan way forward. ~ :. a start of a new bipartisan way forward. . ., :, i, a start of a new bipartisan way forward. . ., :, ,, ~' a start of a new bipartisan way forward. . ., :, i, ,. ., , , , forward. what do you think happens when it gets — forward. what do you think happens when it gets into _ forward. what do you think happens when it gets into the _ forward. what do you think happens when it gets into the senate? - forward. what do you think happens when it gets into the senate? do i forward. what do you think happens| when it gets into the senate? do you think there is a chance that enough senators across party lines to get to a super majority? i suppose it would be wrecked or actively convict donald trump?—
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donald trump? there is a question here. donald trump? there is a question here- what — donald trump? there is a question here. what will _ donald trump? there is a question here. what will turn _ donald trump? there is a question here. what will turn to? _ donald trump? there is a question here. what will turn to? as - donald trump? there is a question here. what will turn to? as he - donald trump? there is a question here. what will turn to? as he can | here. what will turn to? as he can io here. what will turn to? as he can go after— here. what will turn to? as he can go after senators who are not with them? _ go after senators who are not with them? it _ go after senators who are not with them? it really did change things when _ them? it really did change things when all— them? it really did change things when all of a sudden his supporters came _ when all of a sudden his supporters came into _ when all of a sudden his supporters came into the capital looking for vice president pence. that change a lot of— vice president pence. that change a lot of the _ vice president pence. that change a lot of the discussion in the senate than anyone ever expected including what you _ than anyone ever expected including what you saw the passionate statement that lindsey graham made on the _ statement that lindsey graham made on the floor. so it really does depend — on the floor. so it really does depend on how does trump treat this moment? _ depend on how does trump treat this moment? it's clear that mcconnell is going _ moment? it's clear that mcconnell is going to _ moment? it's clear that mcconnell is going to protect his republican senators. and should trump act in a way that— senators. and should trump act in a way that would upset that wild card a little _ way that would upset that wild card a little bit _ way that would upset that wild card a little bit more i have no doubt that mcconnell was stepping. and you could see _ that mcconnell was stepping. and you could see the number of republicans vote for— could see the number of republicans vote for impeachment go up over this period _ vote for impeachment go up over this period of— vote for impeachment go up over this period of time. but these next several— period of time. but these next several days will be dependent on what that — several days will be dependent on what that video, what comes out in the video— what that video, what comes out in the video and how trump decides to treat supporters. it�*s the video and how trump decides to treat supporters— treat supporters. it's an interesting _ treat supporters. it's an interesting point - treat supporters. it's an interesting point you i treat supporters. it's an i interesting point you make treat supporters. it's an - interesting point you make that treat supporters. it's an _ interesting point you make that he's sort of using this as leverage over the president in the final seven days to keep them in check. you need what, 17 senators to come over on
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the republican side for a conviction in the senate. hoover got so far? mitt romney, ben sass, we don't know about mitch mcconnell because he, at least murkowski we talked about. 13 more? does it help them first of all to have the cover of mitch mcconnell and does it help them that he's not on twitter any more? it and does it help them that he's not on twitter any more?— on twitter any more? it absolutely hel-s. i on twitter any more? it absolutely helps- i have _ on twitter any more? it absolutely helps. i have to _ on twitter any more? it absolutely helps. i have to tell _ on twitter any more? it absolutely helps. i have to tell you, - on twitter any more? it absolutely helps. i have to tell you, the - on twitter any more? it absolutely helps. i have to tell you, the newsj helps. i have to tell you, the news here _ helps. i have to tell you, the news here on _ helps. i have to tell you, the news here on all— helps. i have to tell you, the news here on all of our different station that used — here on all of our different station that used to be what did trump say today— that used to be what did trump say today and _ that used to be what did trump say today and how, what's the battle between — today and how, what's the battle between democrats and republicans? it's between democrats and republicans? it's really _ between democrats and republicans? it's really made that subside and given— it's really made that subside and given rise — it's really made that subside and given rise to new voices. and really talking _ given rise to new voices. and really talking about what members of congress are doing, how they're trying _ congress are doing, how they're trying to— congress are doing, how they're trying to decide this. exchange the discussion— trying to decide this. exchange the discussion of not having them out there _ discussion of not having them out there the — discussion of not having them out there. the other thing i want to come _ there. the other thing i want to come in — there. the other thing i want to come in the senate it's notjust about— come in the senate it's notjust about can — come in the senate it's notjust about can you get to 17? the public humiliation— about can you get to 17? the public humiliation of having a trial before trump _ humiliation of having a trial before trump is _ humiliation of having a trial before trump is out of the presidency is also scary— trump is out of the presidency is also scary to trump. especially when he can't _ also scary to trump. especially when he can't answer back on social media i’ili'it he can't answer back on social media right now _ he can't answer back on social media right now. just the idea of bringing
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up right now. just the idea of bringing up this— right now. just the idea of bringing up this trial i think will keep trump — up this trial i think will keep trump in _ up this trial i think will keep trump in check. we will see. nobody knows _ trump in check. we will see. nobody knows exactly the way trump is going to respond _ knows exactly the way trump is going to respond to some everybody recognizes this is an unusual moment and he _ recognizes this is an unusual moment and he is _ recognizes this is an unusual moment and he is quite out—of—control. lanza — and he is quite out—of—control. lanza was _ and he is quite out—of—control. lanza was making the point that it complicates things for donald trump. if he was considering a self pardon we can't very well do that before a senate trial because he's therefore saying to republicans well, i did nothing wrong but i'm having to self pardon myself everything that went on. moreover, it increases the legal deputy if you are putting people on the senate floor who are giving evidence that he didn't send in the national guard. that he was quietly enthused it really enthusiastic about what was going on. there is no doubt this is — about what was going on. there is no doubt this is extremely _ about what was going on. there is no doubt this is extremely complicated i doubt this is extremely complicated for him _ doubt this is extremely complicated for him i_ doubt this is extremely complicated for him. i can see him saying i'm going— for him. i can see him saying i'm going to— for him. i can see him saying i'm going to use— for him. i can see him saying i'm going to use all of my supporters to say i going to use all of my supporters to say i need _ going to use all of my supporters to say i need to be part of right now. and that's — say i need to be part of right now. and that's pretty self oriented. it wouldn't — and that's pretty self oriented. it wouldn't be beyond what he's done in the past _ wouldn't be beyond what he's done in the past so— wouldn't be beyond what he's done in the past. so even though it is complicated, doesn't mean that he will step— complicated, doesn't mean that he will step in—
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complicated, doesn't mean that he will step in with a simple solution where _ will step in with a simple solution where he — will step in with a simple solution where he can drive his supporters too. where he can drive his supporters too one — where he can drive his supporters too. one might argue that the best way to— too. one might argue that the best way to do— too. one might argue that the best way to do it — too. one might argue that the best way to do it because it means that there _ way to do it because it means that there is— way to do it because it means that there is less violence. and perhaps that's— there is less violence. and perhaps that's what— there is less violence. and perhaps that's what trump uses his support for for— that's what trump uses his support for for them right now as he goes into the _ for for them right now as he goes into the final days of his presidency. into the final days of his presidency-— into the final days of his oresiden . : , :, presidency. and we 'ust thought nanoynoiosi._ presidency. and we 'ust thought nancy pelosi, the _ presidency. and we just thought nancy pelosi, the house - presidency. and we just thought | nancy pelosi, the house speaker leaving the chamber they are after bringing down the gavel on donald trump being impeached for the second time. during the course of his one term presidency. what does chuck schumer want out of the trial process? what is his strategy, his endgame? does he want to fast, long does he want lots of voices out there? does he want lots of testimony? what do you think he wants and what doesjob item on? it looks like a manders line has frozen from the tech capital of the world, california. it is interesting if we can get amanda back. the speed at
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which this happens. this speed and how many people he wants to hear from. rememberthey how many people he wants to hear from. remember they got to be doing the vaccine roll—out for covid. they've got improve that. there's an or two enormous economic crisis to deal with. they want bipartisan support for getting a big stimulus bill out into the economy for top thatis bill out into the economy for top that is something republicans will perhaps used to negotiate for the top there is a lot thatjob item once you get down there. and it's notjust once you get down there. and it's not just the logistics once you get down there. and it's notjust the logistics of once you get down there. and it's not just the logistics of walking and chewing gum, there's also the political and horse trading that goes with republicans. because some of the agenda of the democrats want that going to need republican support for if they want to do big things. does mitch mcconnell say well you can have that support but actually we don't want to hear from x on the trump side during the course of the child. there is going to be politics around that trial and will be interesting to see, how the new senate majority leader handles. on that point, i'm presuming they don't bring that before the 19th chuck schumer becomes that majority leader. chuck schumer becomes that ma'ority leader. ~ : chuck schumer becomes that ma'ority leader. ~ . ~. :, , leader. mitch mcconnell says he doesnt leader. mitch mcconnell says he doesn't want — leader. mitch mcconnell says he doesn't want to _ leader. mitch mcconnell says he doesn't want to do. _ leader. mitch mcconnell says he doesn't want to do. he - leader. mitch mcconnell says he doesn't want to do. he doesn't i leader. mitch mcconnell says he - doesn't want to do. he doesn't want to have a trial in order to oust
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donald trump prematurely from office. 50 donald trump prematurely from office. :, donald trump prematurely from office, :, ., donald trump prematurely from office. :, ., , donald trump prematurely from office. :, ., ., ~ . office. so on that basis that mitch mcconnell is _ office. so on that basis that mitch mcconnell is running _ office. so on that basis that mitch mcconnell is running the - office. so on that basis that mitch mcconnell is running the show- office. so on that basis that mitch i mcconnell is running the show when this impeachment senate trial is under way, just in terms of the people who will give evidence, does mitch mcconnell controls her back was not because some of them the likes of dansk if you know there republicans. there are people in the republicans. there are people in the republican fold. does he still controlled to some extent who can come on give evidence? you controlled to some extent who can come on give evidence?— come on give evidence? you mean chuck schumer? _ come on give evidence? you mean chuck schumer? know, _ come on give evidence? you mean chuck schumer? know, mitch - come on give evidence? you mean - chuck schumer? know, mitch mcconnell even thou . h chuck schumer? know, mitch mcconnell even though he's — chuck schumer? know, mitch mcconnell even though he's the _ chuck schumer? know, mitch mcconnell even though he's the minority _ chuck schumer? know, mitch mcconnell even though he's the minority leader- even though he's the minority leader and chuck schumer is running the show. he can also say how long a quickly it goes. what does mitch mcconnell get the call on who is giving evidence from the republican side? i giving evidence from the republican side? .. :. . . giving evidence from the republican side? ,, :, , , :, side? i think that is up to chuck schumer to _ side? i think that is up to chuck schumer to decide _ side? i think that is up to chuck schumer to decide that. - side? i think that is up to chuck schumer to decide that. i - side? i think that is up to chuck schumer to decide that. i can'tl schumer to decide that. i can't remember. we should be well—versed in this because we've just been through one, right? and i know that there was a lot of negotiation last time about who was allowed to be called and who wasn't allowed to be
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called. but by and large it was the republicans who were in the senate majority the last child who controlled the whole process. who the witnesses are, will get have to get a lawyer on over the next couple days to try and get that clear. to it clear they are, it is chuck schumer who will be the senate majority leader who will be controlling the process after the 20th of january for top and he will decide it may be months before this actually starts. the whole trial process. republicans warned today that impeachment would further divide in already fractured america. the fbi is warned of on protest not just here in washington but across the country in the lead up tojoe biden said argue rate at which is next wednesday.— let's talk about all of this with dr melanie burkholder, a former u.s. secret service agent who worked on capitol hill. to melanie. she was part of the security team that protected presidents, such as bill clinton and george bush. now she is a republican candidate for the california state assembly.
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thank you for sharing your expertise with us tonight. in everything that we've heard from the fbi yesterday and from the district attorney of of columbia. what are your concerns of a former secret service agent for the protection of the inauguration? i take myself back to 2005 standing on the _ i take myself back to 2005 standing on the front steps of the capitol hill and — on the front steps of the capitol hill and protection of vice president dick cheney and president bush _ president dick cheney and president bush at _ president dick cheney and president bush. at the inauguration. and seeing — bush. at the inauguration. and seeing the events unfold on january six live _ seeing the events unfold on january six live in— seeing the events unfold on january six live in person and action with friends _ six live in person and action with friends at — six live in person and action with friends at the capitol who were part of the _ friends at the capitol who were part of the peaceful protests, it just really _ of the peaceful protests, it just really breaks my heart to see that kind of— really breaks my heart to see that kind of behavior from anyone. and i am personally responsibility kind of person— am personally responsibility kind of person i_ am personally responsibility kind of person i do not believe that someone tells me _ person i do not believe that someone tells me to _ person i do not believe that someone tells me to gojump off a bridge or storm _ tells me to gojump off a bridge or storm the — tells me to gojump off a bridge or storm the capital building that i would _ storm the capital building that i would do — storm the capital building that i would do that with some encouragement. but only to my own volition. — encouragement. but only to my own volition. those happenings on january— volition. those happenings on january six were really disheartening. i think even more so
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was the _ disheartening. i think even more so was the fact— disheartening. i think even more so was the fact that the chief of police. — was the fact that the chief of police, capitol police had requested additional— police, capitol police had requested additional backup, requested the national— additional backup, requested the national guard in support of his mission — national guard in support of his mission on _ national guard in support of his mission on that day knowing that there _ mission on that day knowing that there were going to be hundreds of thousands— there were going to be hundreds of thousands of people on the capital steps _ thousands of people on the capital steps in _ thousands of people on the capital steps in the gardens they are. the fact that _ steps in the gardens they are. the fact that he — steps in the gardens they are. the fact that he denied that additional resource — fact that he denied that additional resource at least twice tells me that there is something bigger going on. that there is something bigger going on that _ that there is something bigger going on. that this is not protocol that he knew — on. that this is not protocol that he knew what he was facing and needed — he knew what he was facing and needed additional support and did not receive the resources he needed. when _ not receive the resources he needed. when i _ not receive the resources he needed. when i was _ not receive the resources he needed. when i was watching the evidence unfold _ when i was watching the evidence unfold and you see that come down and walked past that we know and secret _ and walked past that we know and secret service that is not intended to be _ secret service that is not intended to be a _ secret service that is not intended to be a barrier of sorts is more or less— to be a barrier of sorts is more or less in— to be a barrier of sorts is more or less in preparation for the inauguration on the 20th. so that they could — inauguration on the 20th. so that they could put people in certain areas _ they could put people in certain areas of— they could put people in certain areas of the inaugural event based on their— areas of the inaugural event based on their level of clearance and proximity— on their level of clearance and
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proximity to the president—elect. to keep them _ proximity to the president—elect. to keep them safe and also the people attending _ keep them safe and also the people attending to keep them safe. we are looking _ attending to keep them safe. we are looking at— attending to keep them safe. we are looking at upwards of tens of thousands of law enforcement in this mission _ thousands of law enforcement in this mission on _ thousands of law enforcement in this mission on the inauguration, national— mission on the inauguration, national security event here in the us. national security event here in the us and _ national security event here in the us and we — national security event here in the us. and we suspect that there will be local. _ us. and we suspect that there will be local, federal dc police. all of the agencies will come together and further— the agencies will come together and further of— the agencies will come together and further of the mission to keep folks say. further of the mission to keep folks say me— further of the mission to keep folks sa . y :. further of the mission to keep folks sa. 3 :, ., further of the mission to keep folks sa. g :, ., :,, further of the mission to keep folks sa. g :, ., :, :, say. my heart always goes out to secret service _ say. my heart always goes out to secret service agents _ say. my heart always goes out to secret service agents on - secret service agents on inauguration day. it's always a tense day. give me one think that you would be watching for next wednesday. you would be watching for next wednesday-— you would be watching for next wednesda . , :, ., , , wednesday. they are so many things it's hard to narrow— wednesday. they are so many things it's hard to narrow down. _ wednesday. they are so many things it's hard to narrow down. you're - it's hard to narrow down. you're going _ it's hard to narrow down. you're going to — it's hard to narrow down. you're going to be _ it's hard to narrow down. you're going to be looking at social media pose. _ going to be looking at social media pose, unusual activity like the pipe bombs _ pose, unusual activity like the pipe bombs that were placed on the steps and trying _ bombs that were placed on the steps and trying to find and locate those potential— and trying to find and locate those potential suspects. and you're going to look— potential suspects. and you're going to look at— potential suspects. and you're going to look at the totality of circumstances just to be to look at the totality of circumstancesjust to be quite frank~ — circumstancesjust to be quite frank. what that looks like with the amount _ frank. what that looks like with the amount of— frank. what that looks like with the amount of threat level against the incumbent president. and
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president—elect rather empty threat level on— president—elect rather empty threat level on our current sitting president who isjust been impeached as i president who isjust been impeached as i was— president who isjust been impeached as i was listening earlier. thank ou ve as i was listening earlier. thank you very much _ as i was listening earlier. thank you very much for _ as i was listening earlier. thank you very much forjoining - as i was listening earlier. thank you very much forjoining us. i you very much forjoining us. interesting to think you have to have the security of the incoming president and also of the outgoing president. now that president has been impeached again we are back at the same place where we were at the start of the air. setting out the stages foran for an petro trial. it's up to the democrats to deliver those articles for the child but here a two thirds vote will be necessary for the president to be convicted and retroactively removed. that president to be convicted and retroactively removed. at least 17 republicans _ retroactively removed. at least 17 republicans will _ retroactively removed. at least 17 republicans will have _ retroactively removed. at least 17 republicans will have to - retroactively removed. at least 17 republicans will have to vote - retroactively removed. at least 17 republicans will have to vote for| republicans will have to vote for conviction. so far none have committed to convicting to convicting the president. four open to the possibility. romney sass murkowski and toomey of
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pennsylvania.— murkowski and toomey of pennsylvania. murkowski and toomey of penns lvania. , . ., :, pennsylvania. yes. whenever ma'or events pennsylvania. yes. whenever ma'or event neppen d pennsylvania. yes. whenever ma'or events happen in d pennsylvania. yes. whenever ma'or events happen in world i pennsylvania. yes. whenever ma'or events happen in world of�* pennsylvania. yes. whenever major events happen in world of politics i events happen in world of politics it helps to get the big picture perspective. anthony first time this has ever happened. and not something you and i were expecting just a week ago. no, not at all. donald trump likes to boast _ no, not at all. donald trump likes to boast about the historic nature of his— to boast about the historic nature of his presidency, his successes. history— of his presidency, his successes. history is — of his presidency, his successes. history is going to record him as the only— history is going to record him as the only president ever to have been impeached _ the only president ever to have been impeached twice. i'm sure that is something — impeached twice. i'm sure that is something donald trump does not want next to— something donald trump does not want next to his _ something donald trump does not want next to his name. what something donald trump does not want next to his name.— next to his name. what do you expect his video to — next to his name. what do you expect his video to say _ next to his name. what do you expect his video to say that _ next to his name. what do you expect his video to say that we _ next to his name. what do you expect his video to say that we hear - next to his name. what do you expect his video to say that we hear he's - his video to say that we hear he's going to release this evening? i wouldn't be surprised if once again he calls— wouldn't be surprised if once again he calls for— wouldn't be surprised if once again he calls for national unity in an attempt — he calls for national unity in an attempt to try to convince the republicans in the senate, the ones who as _ republicans in the senate, the ones who as you — republicans in the senate, the ones who as you mention are up in the air about— who as you mention are up in the air about whether to convict or not that he is, _ about whether to convict or not that he is. does — about whether to convict or not that he is, does not merit removing him from _ he is, does not merit removing him from office — he is, does not merit removing him from office are prohibited him from running _ from office are prohibited him from running for— from office are prohibited him from running for office again. i think we're _ running for office again. i think we're going to have a battle for the
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direction _ we're going to have a battle for the direction of — we're going to have a battle for the direction of the republican party in the days— direction of the republican party in the days and weeks ahead. donald trump _ the days and weeks ahead. donald trump still wants to have influence within _ trump still wants to have influence within this — trump still wants to have influence within this party but it's very clear— within this party but it's very clear that _ within this party but it's very clear that there are some republicans who want to move different — republicans who want to move different direction. i thought it was interesting listening to the debate — was interesting listening to the debate in the house of representatives today. democrats were not— representatives today. democrats were not impeaching donald trump, they were _ were not impeaching donald trump, they were trying to impeach trump is him. they were trying to impeach trump is him they— they were trying to impeach trump is him. they were talking about donald trump _ him. they were talking about donald trump is _ him. they were talking about donald trump is him. they were talking about— trump is him. they were talking about donald trumps rhetoric throughout the course of his presidency and over the past few months — presidency and over the past few months challenging the election. they wanted to condemn that and not 'ust they wanted to condemn that and not just donald _ they wanted to condemn that and not just donald trumps speech last wednesday morning. and his actions the course _ wednesday morning. and his actions the course of that day. kathy wednesday morning. and his actions the course of that day.— the course of that day. kathy and i have been trying — the course of that day. kathy and i have been trying ourselves - the course of that day. kathy and i have been trying ourselves in - the course of that day. kathy and i l have been trying ourselves in knots when it will become of the time who will get to call the witnesses, whether mitch mcconnell will still have any hold on republican witnesses. what about the comments from the majority whip last week that they could push the impeachment trial to the other side of 100 days and hold it—? can you realistically
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as a democrat say we need this, we need to remove the president now, he's a threat. and then push it a hundred days on the line?- he's a threat. and then push it a hundred days on the line? well, it looks increasingly _ hundred days on the line? well, it looks increasingly likely _ hundred days on the line? well, it looks increasingly likely that - looks increasingly likely that donald — looks increasingly likely that donald trump is going to be out of office _ donald trump is going to be out of office when this trial starts anyway~ _ office when this trial starts anyway. maybe the day before donald trump _ anyway. maybe the day before donald trump leaves office, that's when it could _ trump leaves office, that's when it could start — trump leaves office, that's when it could start according to mitch mcconnell. but when we are the other. _ mcconnell. but when we are the other. this — mcconnell. but when we are the other, this is not going to be a senate — other, this is not going to be a senate trial about removing donald trump _ senate trial about removing donald trump from office. it's going to be about— trump from office. it's going to be about what— trump from office. it's going to be about what to do with donald trump in his— about what to do with donald trump in his post—presidency. whether they could _ in his post—presidency. whether they could convict him and banned him from _ could convict him and banned him from running from federal office ever again for instance. i think it is a very— ever again for instance. i think it is a very real _ ever again for instance. i think it is a very real quandary for democrats how to handle this one thing _ democrats how to handle this one thing once — democrats how to handle this one thing once it drops in their lap in the senate. joe binding is very concerned reportedly that this could affect _ concerned reportedly that this could affect his _ concerned reportedly that this could affect his first 100 days in office. his ability— affect his first 100 days in office. his ability to get his appointments confirmed by a senate that is distracted by impeachments. there is a programme — distracted by impeachments. there is a programme name _ distracted by impeachments. there is a programme name did _ distracted by impeachments. there is a programme name did not— distracted by impeachments. there is a programme name did not come - distracted by impeachments. there is i a programme name did not come days. anthony, thank you.
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you know what ijust realized. we will go around again. and guess what we will still be talking about donald trump because he will be on trial in they started. it is not over next wednesday. hello some wintry weather to contend with in the next ten to 12 hours. the met office is concerned about the risk of disruption and consequently has issued an amber warning for heavy snowfall through parts of scotland and northern england. the reason for the heavy snowfall we have a heavy front try to push across the uk. i it mild air of it a big bank of frigid air asked sending out to scandinavia. that's what turns the rain that was spreading across the uk on wednesday into snow. extending quite a way south through thursday. our first thing we could even see something a bit wintry across the midlands and parts of east anglia for the entrance of disruption it's the pennines into the highlands we are
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anticipating the heaviest of the snow fall 20 cm for some of the higher ground. the front see the day on thursday but still a lot of wintry weather and the forecast anywhere from the midlands northwards its wet weather for central and eastern england. towards the west perhaps some sunshine for northern ireland and a high of 9 degrees. overnight thursday into friday at the front does significantly weaken. the rain fizzles out, the snow clears. the widespread frost will develop and friday morning ice could be a problem and some dense patches of fog as well. pressure pills that means light wins for friday and a lot of fine leather. if you are stuck with something on the gloomier side. even font that lifts into low cloud that temperatures will struggle to push up where you are. sums bots temperatures are going to hover around freezing on friday. generally we are on the cooler side, highs of six or seven at best. come the weekend, high pressure starts to sink away again. low pressure coming
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in from the atlantic. colder air again, the same difficult forecast as we see that wintry mixture of rain, sleet and snow. the front pushing across the uk. any wintry weather is likely to be quite transient because milder air it will tend to move its way in behind the front allowing snow to turn back to rain. temperatures are some areas to the north will bet the highest they've been in days was up 9 degrees there in glasgow. overnight saturday into sunday it's back again. i pressured pushing in from the south. eases back as the winds clears the picture for many. but frost and ice will be quite a notable story first thing on sunday for the promising in terms of sunshine for england and wales on sunday. mark laufer and northern ireland and showers to the west of scotland for that wintry as they come into the hills. temperatures about where we would expect for this army air force up seven or 8 degrees. forthe army air force up seven or 8 degrees. for the start of the new week we are back to the battleground. cold air trying to dig
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down from greenland for the mild air trying to search and from the area of low pressure here. kevin thinking has it that the low pressure will make fairly significant inroads into england and wales. temperatures won't fare too badly but some of the rain could be heavy and persistent for the monday will be drier and brighter through scotland and northern ireland with just a few scattered showers was up that battle remains to be played out through the week ahead. mild air close to the south colder air to the north. later in the period from mid week on looks like thejet stream in the period from mid week on looks like the jet stream will dig southwards pulling us all into colder arctic air. with an area of low pressure sitting across the uk further on into next week we could all be facing the prospect of something wintry yet again. don't forget that heavy snowfall in the short term.
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tonight at ten... donald trump becomes the first president in us history to be impeached twice, after last week's assault on capitol hill. ten republicansjoined democrats in voting for the president to face trial for inciting insurrection. he must go. he is a clear and present danger to the nation that we all love. the formal charge comes after a violent mob of his supporters stormed the capitol — it's now surrounded by a ring of steel, with just a week left of the trump presidency. the other main story tonight — the uk records its hightest daily death toll since the pandemic started. more than 1,500 people have died. the prime minister warns that
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there's a very substantial risk intensive care units could be overwhelmed, as doctors plead

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