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faso, and other west african coups. high on the agenda, can they deliver a unified response to the regions mounting challenges, special coverage on out just sarah with i'm james bays at un headquarters in new york. no way in the united states have long been close allies, but with other nato partners. they're now facing a new challenge as the alliance puts its forces on alert and with thousands of russian troops or mass that ukraine's borders always heading into a full scale war. meanwhile, as the way ends its presidency of un security council, it's now facilitated closed door discussions. tween taliban leaders, afghan civil society and international diplomat. so how will laws low tackle these and other pressing global issues moving forward, the norwegian prime minister unit scarce dora talks to al jazeera
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the owner's got story prime minister of norway. thank you for talking to al jazeera . i'm going to start with a question that for you calls for pure speculation, because already it's been answered by others. u. s. president joe biden thinks the answers are likely yes. the un secretary general antonio terrace thinks it's probably no. so what your view do you think russian president vladimir putin is going to decide to invade ukraine? it's in his head, and i cannot read his mind. because i choose to say no. because i think the options, other than military interventions should be available to molden europe. we have a toolbox in europe that should be able to deal with these kind of issues. provide security to countries next to other countries without using the military option, which i believe is not an answer to the challenge. no way is currently midway
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through it's 2 year terms and elected member of the un security council. you've been president of the security council for the month of january. do you believe that the threat of an invasion of ukraine is currently the biggest threat to international peace and security? well, the in the, the, in the immediate weeks to come, i believe, yes. but that does not mean that one can push aside other threats to security in other regions on the world. and i'm always, you know, conscious of saying that there are threats to peace and security that don't appear on the tv screens that happen when, where they are no cameras. and this, this is a intense conflict. it is dangerous, it is military, there's put observation. but there are also was going on around in the world, you know, causing suffering or people that we, that we don't cover. but i agree, it is, it is a serious challenge and it should be dealt with politically by responsible leaders
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. let's look about what russia has said. russia says it wants new treaties with nato and the u. s. it says it wants to protect its sphere of influence. it says that nato has been expanding where it shouldn't, and it says that nato, that ukraine should never join the nato alliance. why are these demands so unacceptable to the west? well, it's almost like a shopping list. and you know, when you go to shopping, you don't find all the goods when you go around looking for them. but nations and states in europe should be able to be secure, feel secure, and interact with each other. it is the right of countries to choose their security alignment. i believe that nato membership to new countries which have come during the ninety's and up until recently has happened among democratic straits in democratic fashion. as i see it, membership of ukrainian nato is not on the agenda as of today. but russia is marking, you know, it's, it's, it's interest in, in the way,
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which is now expressed by military means by this huge mobilization. i take the point again that providing security for one state and external. the states confidence building measures securing that there are no offensive weapons threatening my security or your security. all these issues can be dealt with politically. this armament on technical nuclear weapons in europe. a number of issues that we should deal with politically. and the, the fact that now we have this dialogue between the us and russia. there is nato russia dialogue. that's the tongue. we have to deal with this issues and find solutions among diplomats some leaders. you've said just now that the membership of ukraine isn't on the table anytime soon. back in 2008, ukraine was told by nato. yes, one day you can become a member. why don't nato countries in the us now give a tangible concession to russia?
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why don't they say, for example, ukraine would be joining in 10 years. perhaps 20 is. well, i will not go into them. i'm not present at the table where these talks take place . i'm simply note that you know that those 2008, that hasn't been a change for a number of reasons since, since since then. and it is not from the immediate agenda or the only on the agenda of nato countries. but it's not for a 3rd country outside to determine what security arrangements of the countries to take. norway became member of nato in 1949. that was our decision to anchor our security in the as a democracy in the euro, atlantic corporation. and i think that's an important principle for nato to say that, you know, this is not for outside countries to determine that being said, europe has an arrangement of securing states that you can live secure next to another state without feeling threatened or intimidated. and we deal with that in
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negotiations and political processes. firma principals, but also open to, to talk and salute and find solutions. politically. you said a short time ago that it was unacceptable for putin to come up with a shopping list. and he must have known that he wasn't going to get all those things on that list. what do you think putin really wants? what's his strategy right now? well, i mean, if i could tell i could, i could come on many more talk shows on this one. but, you know, let me take in a week perspective, we are neighbors with russia. normally has been in peace with russia for a 1000 years. we have 200 kilometers land border and a huge responsibility together in the barren c on the arctic sea. we have the disputed border with russia in the waters. and i negotiated with my colleagues, i get out of a modern treaty to solve that issue. we demonstrate that we could share
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170000 square kilometers 5050 to each state with a variable the principle of drawing and the limitation line. we have develop neighbor relations with russia and a north which i believe are pointing in the future direction. you know, politically, neighbors can deal with it and find solutions. so we have to get back to that truck where my security is not impeding on your security and your pass, a toolbox that we can use. and that's, that's the avenue we should go down. and which should also come for the precedent and the leadership and the people of russia the day to are secure in this european political family. so given always experience as a neighbor nor ways international experience is a mediator. are you giving that sort of advice to follow nato members and particularly to the u. s. right now, because you're saying there's a way to deal with this? well, but i mean, we have a lot of experience and the experience is different than being neighbor with russia . it's not a one solution. i mean, there are neighbors to russia with a different story,
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different history. i respect that when i talk to my baltic colleagues, my polish colleague, minority colleagues, we all have different experiences, but our experience is the one i bring to the table. but you know, it's an experience of being secure also because we are in an alliance. we are next to russia. we deal with our neighborhood in the low tension fashion, but russian know stuff. norway's policy is predictable and long term. we are member of nato. we are solitary, t member of we are allies and we take our obligations seriously. that gives stability and they see no way of threat to, to, to, to our neighbor rush right in the north. as you know, there is so much speculation. now will there be a full invasion? will he just take the dumbass? is he going to use as own profile cortez? is there going to be a puppet political figure? are they going to be renewed cyber attacks? how does nato calibrate it's response to so many different possible is at the stage?
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well, i, you know, i think nate, those voice has to be clear, our, our kind of collective defense, reassurances concerns nato natal members. but we cannot be indifferent if there is military force being used to cross borders against states in the, in europe. in 2022, that is unacceptable. so i, i'm also very clear. you know, that if, if military means on a massive scale or military means that all is used to cross border and pressure all the countries, we should be really clear about that. it's not acceptable, it will have consequences. and, and that should be said to kelly. i have experience now that the united states talking to russia has been very inclusive with european partners. it's a very united natal now very united your atlantic voice on these key principles. but on that basis, i still believe that the political track provides us with opportunities to find solution reassurances. and that's also up to now present and put in to demonstrate
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that he can be at the table seeking solutions that can be constructive. not only for him, but also for his neighbors. you say it's united yet. there are some nato countries, for example, the u. k, the baltic states, and now the u. s. that ascending weapons and equipment, they're sending anti tank missiles, javelin missiles and sting antea cough missiles. other countries like germany are saying no, were blocking the transfer of weapons. and france is arguing that perhaps it's the not the u. s. that should be negotiating with russia on these sort of divisions. and there are some divisions just going to embolden president putin. i don't call them the division since it may be different from the other side. but these are democracies, you know, they are debates going on. but on the key principles, you have discussions among key allies in they told us france, germany, european union, and all these key principles there is agreement. nato has to follow the elements,
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look after our most exposed countries, rafeely, and security in these, in these weeks and reassure them. and here i think, you know, the rational president has a responsibility himself, you know, does, he contributes to reassurances, just ability to the environment. it takes to find political solutions. i simply state and i observe up now there are talks going on, there's a channel of communication, and i would appeal to those who sit that those tables use those channels up a maximum. and on the nato side and the euro, atlantic site, i believe there is a very strong unity on the principles and very care messages in the communication. we've been talking about russia in what it maintains as it sphere of influence. but russia has been involved in lots of other arenas in recent years. they possibly, you could argue, turned the tide in the war in syria. they've been russian mercenaries, the wagon company active in libya. saddam central african republic. muslim beacon molly to these deployments concern you they do concern me because i,
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i believe that you know, they are, you know, you mentioned several different theaters sort of conflict there. but i think there's a characteristic about modern conflict that there are many proxy wars going on, you know, many external actors who are there with different interests and also in, in the military hardware. and in a, in an isolated way, you may say that that's a way, a country this time russia can promote this interest or die of service that, you know, it normally leads to a novel suffering, prolonged mental conflicts. the conflicts are not allowed to be found. you know, to find a solution that can settle things to care of humanitarian needs, look off the civilians in conflict. so i think that's a warning sign. no more than conflict that you have these semi state wise military interventions and it's not a good sign. let's add into the discussion, another superpower, which is arguably much more powerful than russia. that's china with this belt and
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road initiative. let me ask you about china and russia. do you see the relationship is just pragmatic, or is this growing into quite a strong alliance? i think a bit of both, you know, i think historically if you look at it, you know, from back from the time of mixing them all, when you had to kind of alignment between china and the united states, then there was the soviet union. now, one could argue that china and russia are finding together on the number of issues to, to make a point towards united states. in the long historic perspective, i think, you know, the full story has not been told yet. where, where is the commonality of interest? where, where does it re to take place? from my perspective, you know, being in new york next to the united nation, some of the security council. i mean, we have to appeal to these major players that they, that, that they take their responsibilities as being big states and finding solutions sitting down using diplomacy not to make the visions but also try to find some
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solution to some of the really pressing issues. we have, if it is a closer china, russian relationship based on energy, raw materials, a number of these issues, well be can we have enough momentum to deal with climate change? some of the global challenges that will really require common action by these major states at the table. that's where i would like to push, you know, to see that they deliver on the short term. and do you think a potential conflict in ukraine could bleed into some of those issues like climate change? like for example, the iran nuclear deal talks go on in vienna. but you know, that china, once the oil from iran, and only last week, the iranian president was having very cordial meetings with president putin. but obviously a major military conflict in europe around ukraine will have vast implications in many directions. i mean, it will have, i mean, for russia it will have serious implications, but also for,
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for all activity and transactions around in the region and beyond. the reach need to will have consequences. war has consequences and it is setting is all back. right now china is focused, i know, on the beijing winter olympics, which are about to stop. but is there a nightmare scenario going forward that russia goes into ukraine and then china decides to go for taiwan. i think war is nightmare scenario. you can pressure all the countries with, with military threats as we see now. for example, in europe. how much is democracy on the threat right now around the world? because we've seen a spate of coups the u. n is called an epidemic of cues in places just in the last couple of years, molly saddam myanmar and just now became well, that's a big question. you know, i think that the most important part of securing democracy is that democracy themselves do not deteriorate from insight. you know,
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we have to protect democratic institutions in democracies. and then we have to see through it that you know, democracy. it's not something which is a given, it has to be, you know, protected and protected, primarily by democratic elected leaders responding to the needs of their populations. you know, in, in situations where people live in dire circumstances. if there's military conflict, or if there's environmental depletion, or lack of resources, you come closer to the, to the point when, when democracy uses out and you get, you get these crews and which is which are major setbacks for people. we've talked about how russia and china might see divisions in the west and in nato. perhaps we haven't spoken about what could be exhibit a and not. and that's last august, the humility, humiliating withdrawal of the west from afghanistan. let me ask you about that. did the international community nato countries like your own country, norway,
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and the u. s. in particular, let down the people of afghanistan. well, to me, you know, as a foreign minister and going in and out of gone this don't the most obvious, you know, from, from 1015 years earlier that, you know, there was not going to be a military solution to that conflict. this had to be settled by africans, and i think when history is coming back to judge us, far too little effort was made into mccrae think political processes among africans . it happened gradually, you know, during the last decade, but a lot of time and lots of resources and it also lives were lost because this process was too slow. the end of our military presence, i think would have been messy, no matter how you had arranged it. frankly speaking, the way it did happen was very messy. and of course, i think it's priced, the whole world not least, told him to all of a sudden see that, you know, they were in control of the country without any about them. so the question now is,
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you know, how can we, who have been enough on this phone basically to secure regional peace and stability, avoid another terrorist state developing. now that we are out militarily, i think we still should have a focus on how to avoid this to sink into deep monitoring crisis with perhaps another migration crisis. and yet another chart i've got ground for, for global terror. so how do you stop that humanitarian crisis? is it not time to unlock afghanistan's reserves and don't western countries, particularly the u. s. have a moral duty to do so at this point? well, i believe we have a more do to, to move forward and, you know, in all international relations you deal with those who are in charge. normally you don't agree with them. you don't, you don't share the values you don't from them. and you may be tough with them, but you deal with them. that's why you've invited the taliban. they been in also,
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i guess. and exactly. no recognition of all the bone. no moment to tell the boat, no free ride for totally bomb. they are in charge. so what we have done, they have not been come to norway to talk to norway. they have come to know or basically to, to talk to africans. so we have brought to also know civil society representatives from infant. i've gone this down and from outside i've gone on to all slow and for the 1st time they are sitting with tell the bone at the sufficient level that conversations can be, you know, meaningful reflect religious, the prime minister. you know, how controversial this is. some people and i used to live in afghanistan and follow a lot of afghans on, on social media. they say you rewarding the taliban at the time when half the african population, the countries women, live on the virtual house arrest? well, i mean, they have not met with africans. they met with us with frowns, with europeans, with the u. n. and with norway, to me, it looks like this. if we don't sit down with them, present the expectation, the demands and what they have to deliver. afghanistan and going,
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it's going to sink phone in that tremendous humanitarian. this also 1000000 children may starve. 10000000 people are in need of food aid from outside, without starving. and it's an economy completely, you know, disrupted. so things have to start my africans dealing with, i've gone the storm and we, the international community have to find meaningful inroads to avoid that catastrophe which is bad for the africans. but you can have another migration disaster for the neighbors. and for the rest of the world, and you may have another fertile ground for terror in 2008 when you were your country's foreign minister. you visited afghanistan, you went a number of times, but on this occasion you were staying in the serena hotel in cobble. when it came on the taliban attack, and norwegian journalist, who as part of your party, died in that attack. so i'd like your personal perspective. yes, you've launched these talks, but how do you feel personally given the taliban tried to kill you? it is not an easy thing to say that you know,
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tell the bomb is landing on the which side. so when comes the question is my trouble with this is my anguish with what we have, what we experience and is that going to block the opportunity of seeing africans sit down and deal with each other. dr. void that made sure this alter my conclusion, is that no, it cannot be the thing that really blocks that opportunity. so no one carrying out talks with the taliban right now. re 130 years and very important talks was started by no way, almost 30 years ago. that led to the all slow chords. can i ask you where we are now with regard to israelis and palestinians because it appears that the viable to state solution you are working towards is actually dead. i believe you know, until there is a viable palestinian state living next door to israel insecurity. they will not be stability in the brother middle east. i believe still that the also records, although you may say often always said it's still half the blueprints on how you
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can move forward. my point here as we are in january 2022. this is a process that cannot be simply forgotten and it's up to really the parties, primarily, but also the international community. and i believe the u. s. has to focus on this to get some process going well, does not for your, for your presidency, the security council you called a meeting at foreign minister level. very important, one would think, and i know this cobit but out of the 15 security council members, only norway and gonna sent a foreign ministers. the world and the u. s. don't seem to care well, but that's why we should take the opportunity when we are sitting in the security council reminding the council and thereby, and the rest of the world that you know, you cannot forget this isn't that one part of this that no one ever talks about in the international community, and that's, that this conflict will never be solved while the u. s. has all of its public and political opinions stacked on one side on the side of these ladies. well, that's one argument about american politics. i think, you know,
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the broader incest should demonstrate the most powerful country in terms of delivering a solution clinic. but you know, we have them to, you know, the parties themselves, israelis and palestinians. they have to put their process in order. and then i believe, you know, for the international community around should be facilitating and supporting towards something which is more sustainable than that. then the situation we have now, which is pretty dire for, for, for, for the palestinians. and thereby, you know, not securing security and interest of israel, who talks about your experience and we talked about the noise piece, me hit making and i've got a stone and an israel palestine that i could at columbia sher lanka, sudan and south sudan. why does a country with just 5000000 people want to perform this outsized role on the international stage? my expression is that in, in a world of today, nor ways, what i would call a political and economic surplus nation in a world of enormous deficits. so if we can use some of our opportunities to make
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a difference, be here at the u. n. or some conflict where we have context and trust. it's our obligation to try. but it's a really difficult job, isn't it? in a very bleak picture, if you look back to your time, this foreign minister of foreign minister until 2012, that's a decade ago, a nearly all the conflicts you were dealing with. then whether you look at the democratic republic of congo, molly, syria, libya, they're all still there. and yet on top of that in the last year or so we have, we have a few peer, it's a really big picture, the pressing. so what we do both do we do about that? you know, do it, do we close the door and go home, or do we try to make an effort to make a difference where, where it's possible. i believe, you know, one should not be cynical and give up, you know, there is hope there is there, i'll put you in this. and basically if we come back to the core, how can we secure people, decent, live lives, avoid humanitarian. this else there's, there's
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a lot we can do and we should not give up in sort of these, these processes you describe norway has an intake that, that makes it possible to, to make that difference. and we should try the own, discuss, store it prime minister, no way. thank you for talking to want to say thank you. i in india, a conspiracy theory claims muslim men, a treating hindu women into marriage and converting them one at one aisd investigates were beaten while amy went out there was a time when the octagon go to the funds were enough to sustain life in the northern cali desert oh you around what us changing we fun in 3 men in different parts of the one go down to me as a face drowned,
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kron variance. so we have to look at what we can do to slow leak cons advice when it comes to deciding which options to reduce the infection rate. the advice from the w h o, do it all? ah, another escalation in yemen conflict, the u. e says it's intercepted a missile attack by who the rebels. ah, good morning from daughter aubrey one. i'm kim all santa maria. this is the world news from al jersey. we are absolutely open to a diplomatic engagement without pre conditions. that's the u. s. urging north korea to resume talks to end its nuclear program after a flurry of miss are launched by pyongyang.
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