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rusty and very fluffy in size. the supermarket has called the bagget ro, ridiculous. it says the promotion poses little long term threat to bakers, as it will end in a few months. but the debate reveals that few things in sight. passions in france quite like this. natasha butler al jazeera paris. ah, it's up stories now on al jazeera efforts to find a diplomatic solution to the mounting military crisis on the border between ukraine and russia are continuing. ukraine's foreign minister says the country and allies should remain vigilant and firm in discussions with russia. but russia says its own concerns about nato, expanding eastwards with that ukranian membership are now being considered charles preference in an area under the control of brush and backed separatists. speaking to people today, the situation is come here. but as you can imagine,
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people are very concerned exhausted by 8 years of conflict. but as we've heard the right thing out with this rhetoric from certainly international partners of ukraine and russia, people, one of the 4 point of this coverage on this side of the context zone, saying that basically they pretty much certainly the people we've spoken to. also throw the towel in with the russians. a military court in democrat, a republic of congo. busy has sent him 51 former soldiers to death for their part in the killings of 2 united nations investigators. 5 years ago that the catalogue from sweden and michael sharp from the united states were executed while investigating alleged atrocities in the cafe regions. it happened as government forces were fighting a local uprising. millions of people on the u. s. east coast of woken up too severe snow storm which threatens to get worse during the day. new york and boston are
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expected to bear the brunt of blizzard conditions. the governors of maryland, massachusetts, new jersey and new york state have declared a large and c warning of power outages. italy's 18 year old president has been confirmed for a 2nd term after parliament failed to find a new compromise candidate. and minister says it said to him that i conceded to the request to stay on out of a sense of responsibility. he had wanted to retire from the job that he is held since 2013. those are the top stories you can get the latest on everything that we have been covering on the web side. there it is. and there is a one of our top stories the winter storms and lashing the east of the united states. i'll have more on that and half an hour coming up next though, it's the listening post by ah,
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a coverage of the showdown between russia and ukraine, where mules is missing in action, be, is really government reboots of failed program in the change of the narrative on its treatment of palestine and hollywood state on the climate change stored. the 3rd plan it is about to be destroy the explicit critique of journalism in don't look alarm from gifts burden. you're at the listening post where we examined the media and look at how news is reported in the coverage of bilateral conflicts, like the one between russia and ukraine. there was a journalistic tendency,
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the taking of sides, ask reporters from ukraine or it's western allies who they see as the villain. and most will point to russia and vladimir putin's imperialist ambitions. put that question to journalists in moscow, and they'll give you a history lesson on nato. it's aggressive expansion to the east. add some complex history, sprinkle in some disinformation, mainly from the russian side. and it leaves audiences wherever they are short of the full story. the fact is, there are currently more than 100000 russian troops stationed on or close to the ukrainian border. the fact also is that the kremlin has been waging a hybrid war in ukraine since 2014 part military threat part information warfare. we're focusing on the information war, which means our starting point is mosque venture rocket at the well growing practice, right? you're starting with an argument who's coming out of moscow on the role the media
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play in the ukraine story and equivalence that's as false as been. connie, it's one you will sometimes hear from journalists employed at russian state owned news channels like rti, most russia media outlets echo the kremlin lying on ukraine. but then again, most western media outlets echo the white house is lying under cranes in russia. we're not going to state the media, the kind of run the line. it's also the private media that's not controlled by the grammar. the same in the west. i mean, the bbc told the british government line and the times or the telegraph, which are notionally independent. they do the very same thing. ah, no, they do, no western media outlets are prone to echoing some of their governments positions on geo political conflicts. but they're also free to present the contrary opinions and to speak truth to power. i don't believe it just by legislator or board as johnson lockdown. try back, trying to journalism in russia on flattery,
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putin and you're liable to be branded afore an age. you have your news channels taken off the air, or like dissident alexis only get thrown into prison. there is no equivalence, which is not to say that when it comes to the history of russia, ukraine, and nato, the russians don't have some legitimate points to make. what has always to ask, where does this story begin? and for the russian, the goes back to the 1990 the diplomacy, the ended, the cold war, which the west took advantage of. there's also an element of truth to the story that they're telling, and there is a way in which the western media just simply conveniently forgets the complexity of the situation. and you know, on the novel or from the ninety's onwards, nato sexual sales towards expansion. and that has left everything. and whenever any government is jeff makes a step towards the west. the alarm bells go off in moscow. this is also one of
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russia's narrative about nato eastern expansion. russia has been clinging for a years to false information that go bushel was promised. that if for the soviet bloc disband, old natal would not expand east. so now we know that was quite a myth and actually not true, but russia, russian officials who cling to this and repeat that nice to this day. yeah. was cavellas sure of the situation is quite clear. the bad guy in this situation is russia because ukraine is an independent state which lives its own live guy. it doesn't attack any one, it doesn't bother any one. ah, well, russia is creating a constant threats near a border. we are simply unlucky with the neighbor who is constantly claiming its rights over our territory, our future, our lives. let me put it this way when there are 2 parties. the truth does not always lie in the middle. sometimes one party may completely mislead invalid not
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now much important, so my or one side and distant for in this so called hybrid war key f is outgunned on both fronts. it cannot match moscow's military strength. the more than 100000 russian troops gathered on or near the border, and it cannot compete in the information was not with the tools the kremlin has at its disposal. with this information disseminated on russia, news channels, and on social media. last year, the government in kia removed 3 pro russia news channels owned by a local businessman from the ukranian airwaves and its set up government departments to com back this information online. but this information ward is a mismatch. after these to be channels were, were blocked, ra is relying more on social media. once again. this includes facebook,
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but also most importantly, telegram messenger, which is an important source of information in ukraine. last year. ukraine security sarah with published proof that russia is behind a network of anonymous telegram channels and with around 500000 subscribers. and this information often has nothing to do with reality. it's just reflects what the russian intelligence once ukrainians to believe and sat. there are also true factories and so called book spreading fake news, claiming that the u. s. is to blame and they want to threaten russia via ukraine. the idea is that russia is under attack and it is only protecting itself. one of the platforms where russian disinformation is being spreading. ukraine is youtube. we still failed to understand why it's algorithm allows this to happen. if this information system is big incompetence different spheres and the media is just one
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part of that in the literature p echo system with this is month to responding to the invoice, monthly measurement of the, of the primary platform broadcasting pro russian talking points in ukraine is nash tv, owned by a political player, you have 10, right? what i have name came up in the u. k. intelligence report that was recently lead, perhaps, strategically to the british meeting. that report alleged russia was planning an invasion and a crew that the kremlin also planned to install mariah. to lead a pro russian puppet regime in key asked. he would be an odd choice. given the authorities in moscow have slapped mariah with sanctions and won't even like him into russia is only really 2 series in my mind. the 1st theory is that the british
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intelligence are just so bad at this stage that they don't actually do any spying at all. and all they do is propaganda, you know, on a 2nd pause and on that they're ukraine expertise is so weak that they just picked this random guy without checking fact checking at all. or does the russians perhaps planted this with the british intelligence for a laugh? just to make them look stupid, it's very possible. it is not very realistic, but it is definitely possible because if we take a look at rush display in book in 2014 when russia to color crimea, it's established again external as the so called prime minister of crimea. c. c. yeah. and at santa was a really, is not very popular regional politician. so the same scenario could be in works for you crane government. i. nato is a military alliance whose members aren't always on the same page. politically,
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that is evident in the headlines being generated on this conflict in the us compared to more diplomatic noises coming out of european countries like germany. because while nato has expanded to the east, russian influence has expanded to the west. many nato countries in europe have grown, dependent on russian energy exports to keep their homes drive there and faced with the prospect of being cut off a mid winter, some of the cold war rhetoric that used to come out of those governments that melted away, which does not bode well for you pray. you can see why a one side that narrative emerges here. it's russia that has a 110000 troops. it's russia has the apples. but, ah, why are we here? the question becomes much more complex. it's because the rest of the world buys rushes. oil buys russian. yeah, that's what created the power which is harness right. that is the reality of the
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europeans in particular have to face because 40 percent of gas that they input comes from russia. this is a situation where we are much more dependent on each other than we were in the period of maximum tension in the cold weather. i say so was it was allergic. that's why it's up to everyone to decide whether the world will remain a safe place or if it will be guided by so called other interest. as for a counter propaganda system, an apparatus like the russian propaganda machine, we don't have it here in ukraine. russia is constantly trying to bring ukraine back into the orbit of its influence. ukraine doesn't want to return to that. and that is the choice of the majority of the ukraine. and the last time the israeli government tried it. it failed, but it's taking another shot at funding an organization designed to push back globally against bad p r. in oxy robbie's,
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here with the details. that's right. it should, these really government has signed off on spending a $100000000.00 shekels that over $30000000.00 over the next 4 years to fund concert. an initiative to quote, fight the phenomena of dealing to migration against the state of israel. and believe civil legitimacy in the world. there's been a rising tide of damaging headlines and critically news coverage of israel. the efforts of bts, the palestinian lead boy caught divest, and functions movement to spotlight state orchestrated crimes, have been effective in shifting western public opinion. the palestinians way, that sounds like a stated strategy to remove palestinians from east jerusalem to make this also be in a steady stream of negative news reports on violence and abuse. by the way, the army and the cyber tech company, and a soul that created the surveillance malware. pegasus that's been used against rights activists, journalists, and dissidence. in many countries. the government of nestali bennett wants to push
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back against all that. and the plan is to have influences activists and organizations from around the world, especially from the united states, recruited by concert to counter them additive and push state approved messages across media outlets and social networks. the idea isn't entirely new. it's the 2nd attempt at running a joint public private venture to try what israel cause consciousness shaping and the funding from the government is just half of what's needed matching funds. another $30000000.00 are to be raised through donations from private individuals and civil society. that private participation is important. concert required so that it can be classified as a non governmental body. otherwise, under us law, the influences conquered recruits would be declared as foreign agents. that is, agents on the payroll of these really government. the last time this project was attempted, suicide groups in israel called it essentially anti democratic. it also flopped because of
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a lack of private donations. so we'll be keeping an eye on this will be following the money. thanks. don't look up is a movie about the climate crisis that somehow does a more effective job of highlighting the problem than most news outlets do. the films producers had an allegorical approach. they took the ecological breakdown and transformed it into a comment on a collision course with planet earth. the early streaming numbers make don't look up the 2nd most successful film netflix has ever made. but it's getting better reviews from scientists than from film. critics, perhaps, in part because at the film's core is a critique of the 4th estate news outlets that have failed their audiences on an existential story. david sir rhoda is a journalist and political activist who co produced the film we'll hear from him shortly. but 1st, a scene from don't look up and the set of a morning news show that it's fictional,
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yet somehow familiar resolution. it's somewhere between 6 and 9 kilometers across, so it would damage the entire planet much as the house, you know, the entire plan. okay, well add the damaging. will it hit this one house in particular? that's right on the coast to new jersey. if my ex wife out the needed to be it, can we make are we not being clear? we're trying to tell you that the dirt planet is about to be destroyed. well, you know, the something we do around here, you know, we just keep the bad news light. david serrato, welcome to the listening post a critique of the mainstream media. just keeping up the light runs more or less throughout. don't look up. but from what i understand, that's kind of where the film got its start. so walk us through how the idea for don't look up, came about. sure, i was talking to adam mckay, the filmmaker, director of the movie after he had made the movie vice. and i said to him,
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you know, you really gotta use your superpowers of filmmaking and comedy to do something about the climate crisis. and he said, yeah, you know, i've been having trouble figuring out how to tackle that issue in a way that's not a kind of mad max post apocalyptic dystopian kind of dark movie. he and i were lamenting about how the media doesn't really cover the climate crisis. in a way that's adequate. and at one point i said, you know, kind of feels like there's an asteroid headed towards earth and nobody really cares . and he said, you know, maybe that's the movie. and of course, what you stumble on when you game that out is you, scientists who might have a difficult time getting the message out, getting the science out, getting the facts out inside of a media world. that isn't necessarily all that interested in verifiable scientific
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facts. news outlets and consumers devour stories that move quickly. the problem with climate change is it does not, don't look up deals with that by effectively creating an allegory, hitting fast forward turning climate change into a speeding comment. but journalists don't have that luxury. so what can they do? well, i think 1st of all, i think climate change is accelerating in a very, in a very profound and terrifying way. so i think actually, unfortunately, it's becoming easier and easier to, to cover because the effects are so intense. i, i also think that climate isn't just about droughts, floods, and the like a climate change is going to be about really everything. i mean, here's the thing. the news media puts the economy at the center of its coverage. the economy is not a story. the economy is part of every story. so part of what we're talking about
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here is that climate has to become part of the way we tell stories in our world, because it is part of the fabric of news throughout the world. part of don't lookups, appeal is that you've taken a serious subject, but the film is a comedy, is part of the difficulty that news outlets have in engaging news. audiences on the climate crisis is that the news is often so depressing. some kinds of climate coverage can make everything feel hopeless and that it's just a story of gloom and doom and there's nothing really that an audience can do wrong . so in just how versus incredibly frightening piece titled the fuse has been blown and the doomsday. glacier is coming for us all which yikes. what we need to hear also is about the efforts to stop the crisis or at least mitigated in a lot of ways. those are, those can be compelling stories because it's in many of the stories. it's the
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classic story of good versus evil, private interests versus the public interest. so i, i don't think there is a shortage of ways to tell compelling stories about this crisis. i think there is a potentially a shortage of vision of imagination in a news media that has gotten used to telling stories one way and no other way. a few years back we spoke with the climate specialist. he told us that he doesn't think governments are the primary obstacles in dealing with climate change. he thinks news outlets are, are you've worked on both sides of that street. so how do you see it? oh boy, ah, it's a good question. i look at, i think, i think there's a not one factor here and why we haven't acted on climate. we live in a society where the way we think about an issue like climate, is disproportionately dictated by whether it's political leadership war, large corporate media outlets that have deep ties to the industries that are
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creating the crisis. whether it is the fossil fuel industry, buying politicians, or the fossil fuel industries, spending a huge amount of money on advertising that essentially bank rolls major corporate media outlets that is creating a framework for the way we talk about climate change. that essentially has a thumb on the scale, the fossil fuel thumb on the scale. and i think what we need to do as human beings is realize that we're going to need to actually make real changes in our energy system in our food system, in our environmental policies. and that when, when politicians or media elites say that making those changes is unrealistic, or they, i role or they cy, those are the people who are the problem. your film has been such a hit with audiences, but a lot of the reviews and the mainstream news media have been quite negative. now
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you took a run at the media in don't look up. do you think this is a case of sour grapes? were you surprised at all that? didn't that didn't surprise me at all? and it didn't surprise me because look, this is a movie about political issues. and when you make something as big as this movie is on, as big a platform as it is, you're going to get a passionate response. some people are not gonna want to hear the message. i will also say that i think in the political space, some very powerful people have watches movie and probably makes them uncomfortable . can i go around saying to people that there's a 100 percent chance that they're going to die? it's nuts. this is a movie that is attempting to say to millions and hundreds of millions of regular people in the world that we have a serious problem that the people at the top are creating, having been preoccupied with climate change 1st as a journalist,
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then having co produced a film about it, do you emerge from this process? more or less hopeful about the future of the planet? i mean, look, there have been times since this movie came out. that i have felt pretty down. that in some ways, i felt like in the highest regions of the media and politics, that this movie has prompted people to performative lee behave as if they are in the movie itself. in other words, that the movie has held up a mirror to it political and media elites and hasn't necessarily prompted a re evaluation or new behaviors or even contemplation. then again, the huge audience response to the movie is entirely inspiring. clearly, there is a demand for us to start talking about real truths. and there's that seen in the
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movie that i think about a lot. it's in that rant with, with leonardo dicaprio, and he says, who do we don't do yourselves? how do we fix it? we should have deflected this comment when we had the chance we didn't do it. and to me, that's a very hopeful message. is this movie isn't prophecy or destiny. it's cautionary. and you have a character in the movie, basically saying there is a way for us to have dealt with this. and so my hope is that this is not a flash in the pan. that the success of this movie will actually be a longer lasting legacy. that provides opportunities for more climate coverage in the media. and provides more of a, a critical thinking process among millions and millions of people in how they demand real action from their governments. and from their communities, david serrado, congratulations from making a hollywood film that succeeds where mainstream media so often fails. and thanks
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for speaking to us here at the listening post today. thank you. thanks for having me. and finally, it's one of the most under reported conflicts of the past decade. the war in yemen . it pops up in the headlines whenever there are new air strikes, as there have been in the past week or so. but this 7 year old war gets nowhere near the media coverage it deserves. so we're closing our program this week with recommendations of outlets and resources that are covering yemen. these are places we turn to to get more than just the blow by blow on the war. starting with twitter some of the people we follow our after our nasser and human rights watch. and fatima i last of the dc based middle east institute fell out. but totty is the yeah, many journalists, we track then there's a, you haven't policy center, a think tank created by yeah, many and german researchers, some of its funding comes from the german government beyond policy reports and research documents. this site combined factual reporting with the kind of
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storytelling, usually reserved for fiction writing, glimpses into life in the country. and affiliate of the y p. c is our modern, the magazine. it publishes in arabic and english. many writers, artists, and poets who would not have a platform elsewhere find space on our not in the a site. the focus on the emily culture literature and civil society makes this outlet one of the con. finally, on our recommendation list is the sanaa. since its web site is not the slick if, but if you're looking to understand the oven than the articles, they're the youtube archive. and the podcast produced by the yemen piece for them are all worth looking through, will be keeping an eye on media stories coming out of the m and as well. and what's the next time here at the listing?
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