Skip to main content

tv   The Stream  Al Jazeera  January 19, 2022 11:30am-12:01pm AST

11:30 am
holdings, i'm going to have her do pretty the same and i feel like i have to be like him just now worry about it. we the n h l remains 90. 7 percent white and has been criticized for being slow to respond to the black lives matter movement. but o re says the league has come a long way since his trailblazing path easing the way for those who followed heidi . jo, castro, al jazeera ah her again, i'm fully bachelor. with the headlines on al jazeera u. s. secretary of state antony blinking has arrived in ukraine to meet present, voted mi zalinski, as a white house once russia could attack ukraine at any moment. blank in his you told talks with russia's foreign minister in geneva on friday. our views. this is an extremely dangerous situation. we're now at a stage where russia could, at any point, want an attack and ukraine on what secretary blinking is going to go do is
11:31 am
highlight very clearly. there is a diplomatic path forward. it is the choice of president putin and the russians to make whether they are going to suffer severe economic consequences or not. israel police have demolished a house belonging to a palestinian family in the shaft gerard neighbourhood of occupied east jerusalem. his early police say the land will be used for a school. the united nation says it's stepping up its response to the volcanic eruption and soon, i mean tonka, the government described it as an unprecedented disaster. usina and australia sending fresh water and other supplies by boat because the airport is still cavity, nash. but the ashes proven more difficult to clear them was expected. ah, we thought that it would be operational yesterday. um, but it hasn't been fully cleared yet because folk more anxious being folly. um and so they clear about a 100 or 200 meters per day. i i java. which means i should know
11:32 am
ah, to day in nigeria, the trial of separate is leader. a monday condo is set to resume in a boucher after was adjourned on tuesday, cano faces terrorism, entrees in charge as his, the leader of a group called the indigenous people of b. offer it campaigns for the secession of the south eastern region of b. after the indonesian man accused of organizing the bali bombings is starting a 15 year prison sentence is will come 9 as he's known, has eluded capture. since he, the late night attacks on 2 wars, 20 years ago, 202 people, many of them australian tourists, were killed in the bombings and those are the headlines on al jazeera, more news, and i have sat as always, al jazeera dot com. the stream is mixed. it's one yes, and joe biden was sworn in as president of the united states against the backdrop
11:33 am
of rioting on capitol hill from navigating the plan demick to the withdrawal from afghanistan. we'll look back at his policy, wins and losses, and examined the challenges that remain special coverage on al jazeera with . i am sam. yeah. okay. you're watching the stream on today's episode. rethink him presence that pop has an impact on the incarcerated. is it possible to have more humane presence? pat galaxy gets a conversation started. i think one of the biggest misconceptions about prison is that we are harsh enough and now we need to be tougher. we've conditions, longer sentences and that this will encourage people to not want to commit crime by history has shown us time and time again. that is, the parts just doesn't work. and if we look at the countries him half the tough
11:34 am
assistance, i also have the highest recidivism, right? they have the highest deaf, right? because when we trade in people badly and given them not access to the tools, they need to read, she cation technology, good health care. when not enabling them have gone to become better members of the community for when they are released. and why we're teaching people how to survive in prison. we simultaneously teach them how to foul in society. all right, let's make, i guess hello fritz. c. m p a and plays i had good to have you on the stream and get your you to introduce yourself like level audience. tell them what your connection is to prison ritzy you start. hi, thank you for having me on the show. my name is fritzy horseman, i'm the founder and executive director of the compassion prison project. and our mission is to create trauma, inform prisons and communities in the united states and throughout the world. pia
11:35 am
fits are happening. please introduce yourself to the stream audience. yeah, hello everyone, my name is b a book and from finland and forensic psychologist and psychotherapist . and i used to work 10 years as a christian psychologist. and now i work as a project manager in the central administration of our present system in our project called smart present project. thank you so much looking forward to hearing more about that and then hello teresa. good to see you. please introduce yourself to a global audience. thank you very much and her low to everyone. my name is to reverend your real gave from kenya. i'm the founder and ceo of a social enterprise called clean soft. we walk to and power to open dignity to in prison. and for my be in pregnant women and back children. all right, you met the guess and if you're watching right now you're on youtube, you can be part of the conversation as well. speak to, i guess, suppose your question or your comment. be part of today's show. i want to start
11:36 am
with teresa and, and, and get this thought about your concept of what a prison is bad to do. then takes us along to them. what shall prison culture be like to raise a you have an inside view because of an unfortunate incident that happened to you. that meant that you experienced prison in kenya. tell us more. and what did you say? very inhumane condition, lack of dignity, it tears you a pot. i remember the day i left prison, i was relieved and i was happy that i was leaving that crash environment. that was very difficult for my daughter and i, but the truth of the matter that very soon, i realized that the happiness and the relief faded away. but that years then mon of trauma continued post imprisonment. the prison crashes you, it's like long trauma and it just to humanizes you. so i'm going to
11:37 am
say site away before i would it starts commenting. the view was putting to prison for a misunderstanding. it took you a long time to play your name. but while you were trying to play a name, you experienced the prison coach a in kenya at them just bringing fritzy here. certainly in the united states, there's of a punitive idea of what prison is that to do for it. see why do you disagree with that? are the people who are coming to prison, who have committed crimes or maybe innocent? most of them have had incredible trauma growing up growing and poverty growing in violent neighborhoods. growing with parents that are so stressed out that are taking out their frustrations out on their children. and when you're a traumatized child, it's very difficult to learn to be social to function in the world. and sometimes the, your only options are eventually is to commit
11:38 am
a crime. and so when they go into prison, they're treated similarly as they were when they were children in their neighborhoods, in their schools and by their parents. and so instead of rehabilitating them, they're subjected to more trauma and more adversity. and then they're not allowed to heal from what got them there in the 1st place. hey, i want to show you this headlight that makes me smile. what there's some real truth behind it. open prisons in finland, i like a holiday camp, but they seem to work. what is holiday camp like with the prisoners that you've worked in peer? why would people say that and, and why does finland have a different approach to incarcerating prisoners? i. so in finance that we have both are close to presents and the so called open prisons. so the idea is that once the prisoner has been in the close prison and has gotten rehabilitation, ah, he or she is ready to enter more open prison environment. and it's very important
11:39 am
to go in this way, step by step closer to the norm of society, to the practices and activities of the normal society. so in open prison, prisoners can study and work outside of the prison and they come back to the prison and then in the evening. so, but during the day time, they are supposed to participate in activities outside the prison. the i'm, i'm going to give out what is an example of what that looks like. so this video comes from finance, criminal sanctions agency. and what you see here is a prison. he has an appointment at i see no boss let's, let's play the video because, you know, i want to see it. so this, this is somebody who's incarcerated. and in his day he has an appointments. he goes out and about he's not wearing a prison uniform. he has his appointment and then he gets himself back to prison at the end of the day p. how does this what? because why wouldn't he just go ok, bye. not going back to prison today. i think
11:40 am
o a model works in re will and we are internationally known that our, our system works well. and old studies show that the punitive approach is not working. so our model at ease made to re, to really reduce recidivism and have prisoners re integrate back to the society and i think we are succeeding. i want to land on this idea of trauma, right? see, because this is something that is really important for the compassion, prison project. and, and there's a really important film cold step inside the circle that has been seen so many times. it resonates with educational um facilities with a prism facilities tell us a little bit about the film because i'm going to show a clip where the incarcerated people that you're talking to, a stepping inside
11:41 am
a circle to just set up. what are we about to say? and why we're about to see $235.00 men step inside the circle for each traumatic event that they experienced in their childhood, from violence in the home to sexual abuse, to physical abuse. emotional abuse and parents are caregivers, addicted to drugs or alcohol traumatic brain injury, which isn't on the original adverse childhood experiences quiz. but it's a, it's one of the keys adapt up to 80 percent of the people in prison have traumatic brain injury. damage to your prefrontal cortex, which is where all these decisions, these great decisions, ability to learn, negotiate follow instructions, reside. but if you're not in your prefrontal cortex, if you're in survival, you're not able to make these decisions comply with orders. so when you see this circle, you'll see people stepping in for what happened to them when they were children and where always, just one last thing where all we and then all of ro,
11:42 am
the video where are we wasn't able to present. oh, i'm so sorry. it's in lancaster prison in california. it's also called los angeles community visit los angeles county prison. all right, let's take a look while you are growing up during your 1st 18 years of life. yes, a parent or other adult in the household often or very often would swear to insult you put you down or humiliate you, step inside the circle as a parent or other adult in the household often or very often flush to grab, slapped or threw something at you step inside the circle imprisoned you not supposed to show your weakness imprisoned on what to what to do to walk in their
11:43 am
circle like and take each step forward. was a reminder to ourselves that we still haven't been mad and we weren't. we'd be loved on most people now. sorry, i don't understand it. we want to change. so we can bring it to society. better than what we learn for see how just listened to those incarcerated men help us understand a different kind of prison system. they need help, they need help. daniel, who was talking right there. he went through unimaginable circumstances both before he got to prison. and while he was in prison from being abused by, as in foster care, being sexually assaulted, hitting bite with 2 by fours in his head. this man is such a glorious man, but he's had so much to overcome that the odds were stacked against him and the odds are stacked against most of the people in prison. and when we shift from
11:44 am
annihilation and dehumanization to compassion and safety, making, the men feel safety and the women feel safe so that they can get back to their cortex. we're going to change the prison system. i paused on my laptop on a ted told that teresa did, it's called what i learned serving time for crime, i didn't commit to raise a what is this scene? what are we seeing here? women ah, in one of the largest correctional facility here in kenya, coming together in this, the, who'd in don, because this is how they come alive. admitted how they remind of them felt of the good time before they got locked in and, and trying to make some, you know, meaning out of the, the hash conditions that they have to endure while they're feeling prism. so when you got out of prison, you vowed to help women and children also who was sometimes put into prison as well
11:45 am
because their mother zoe, and imprison, help them survive that experience. and then move on. where would you start in terms of improving the situation that they ended up and when they were incarcerated? have you rethink the prison sent system in kenya? 90 percent of people in prison will definitely be released to come back into the fact and reign to great and continue with their lives and dissolving over a 2nd chance in a country where poverty very rates are very high. you know, we do not have enough equip, corporate unity. income generating opportunities are very difficult to come by opportunities that difficult to come by and pick my very high for people who are coming out of prison. so it's really difficult to try and get 2nd chances for women and children who are rebuilding the light post imprisonment for
11:46 am
a lot of walk, advocating and asking the culprit was fund believe faith based organizations in the community at large can break those who are coming out of prison, and i must say that in a country where we've criminalized property, because that's exactly what we've done. it's the law, it's a bond rebel, it's the marginalized and a very weak amongst asking subtract. who end up in prison in kenya, you will not find those who i reach and of mean in prison. in a country where we've criminalized property, we really need to do the de criminalized human pain. you know, i mean, back then people are and not concrete on because we're really pushing them farther down by sending them to prison, protect your friends. and we're really looking at the, classifying the expect your faces so that, you know, we can give better opportunity and look at better ways of resolving social economic
11:47 am
issues. because we're trying to resolve the issues it through pre on. and you know, we cannot to present to relieve the responsibility. oh oh, oh, shall economic need a proof of that not for that reason. i'm meant to keep up the co kathy faith. you know, but when we're taking the poor and the week, i'd like to say that we cannot to red cross the cute conflict and imprison our way out of socially shoot. i have so many questions for you guess fits, he ye, go fast and i'm, i'm going to show all these questions as say, stand by get to the question fits it, go ahead. i just wanted to say that gandhi said, violence is the worst, is a poverty is the worst form of violence. and that's what we're dealing with here. the people in prison, 85 percent of the people in prison, can't afford
11:48 am
a lawyer. they, when they're, when they're at trial, what makes you think they can afford anything in prison, much less expensive phone calls and commissary that's overpriced. and so what we're doing is we're taxing the poor. we're punishing the poor for not being able to afford a lawyer. and that's one of the injustices that starts at the beginning and, but i have to say the criminal justice system and the retribution that happens in our society is based on fight or flight when you're, when something is wrong, we want, we want to react and, and fight back, but we're not in our cortex. we're not here. we're good decisions are made. so we need to take a deep breath. and instead of saying what's wrong with you to that incarcerated, say what happened to you, and then you'll find out it's a lifetime of trauma and that this trauma needs to be healed. pia, i have some lat, security questions about what's happening in finland. mock see little says scandinavian countries that seem to be full of prisons packed to the brim. so
11:49 am
that's an observation. well, not yet. this punishment and this being cruel to people. so he sees that there's a lack of cruelty and the way that you incarcerate people, pierre, your thoughts? yeah, i think we are, are quite far in developing these rehabilitative prison system. so prisoners are provided quite a lot rehabilitative services during prison time. and we, we are also interested in the so called trauma informed approach in our prison practice. so we very well, no, the prisoners have very traumatic. i crowns. the latest project i had was actually in a women's prison and i know that women inmates even more than men have very traumatic backgrounds. there's a lot of abuse, sexual abuse, and now we really have to try to provide them
11:50 am
a secure environment during prison time. so that they could heal from their past experiences and the criminal lifestyle in itself is also very traumatic, abusive, very high stress live. so it, it just repeats trauma and prison is not supposed to repeat the trauma. ah, that that is, that is what i think. and a respect or a humane way is part of all staffs approach to our prisoners, including prison officers, so or stuff is supposed to participate in the rehabilitative work. so i'm getting some pushback here, i guess, to your humane approach to prisons. so another, an earlier comment, send them to do hard labor in siberia, another youtube comment right here may prisons are changing environment. so people
11:51 am
don't want to go there. i am wondering pierre, of with this a humane approach to prison in finland. what does the public think? what about victims? oh, of course there's a lot of opinions about our system to an o. so inside of our society, but i want to say that or research or says that de punitive approach, it doesn't work or it just skip matthias. is prisoners more and it will increase their recidivism. their risk of pretty division are if you have that kind of a prism system. so also from the point of view of victims, i think it's important that offenders have treated inhumane way. that means that they have to possibility during the prison time to take responsibility for one hit . what they have done faced, the reality faced the reality of their behavior. but all this can be done in
11:52 am
a therapist. therapeutic way, i think. so it's not about punishment. it's about making people understand and given them the opportunity to chains so that there won't be more victims of i just want to show some pictures that you sent us earlier. peer and, and it's a hospital room. it's not here on my laptop. i'm going to show you the pictures their own video, and it's a, a room or like a dorm room. and it looks like you're at university of there's lots of nice knick knacks around. can we play that video? let's play it right now. add those 2 pictures back to back because it's very different. no, not these to really get there. eventually. it's the one where you can see the plugs in the wall. it's a smart, it's a smart, i'm known as a smart prison. and he said very different. it's a very different look to the look that i'm going to show here, which is the prison museum. it's he or my laptop is,
11:53 am
is the prism museum in finland, which looks very much like some prisons in the united states. away you are ivory stuff, been a prison cell. you're locked in for many hours of the day. i'm going to go back to cheap because i was a question for you to raise. i'm going to ask you to, to ask that question. and the question is about from angie and he's in south see dad, and he wants to know what about people who have been traumatized in prison? how do you get them back to being andrews? what? no more. again, tracy, help us out with that one. it well i'm not saying that it's in her pe you started than to raise you pick up because it was because i'm just not south sedans. so i know that teresa knows what, what facilities are available in south to down to help people get back out of their prison situation. so let me start with teresa. go, hey teresa it, you know,
11:54 am
it, as, as you had from my co finally, oh, it, you know, when i compare the kind of problems with being in finland for example, and what we have in kenya, and that's not very different from what we have in foutz daniel, other african country the you know what the african prison i deal with chronic and our funding all. and we currently kind of funding been that green about crowding. what condition for those who are imprisoned, lack of basic movie and definitely very know we have the program and i do agree that few need them doesn't want because the more you punish people, the more they repel and rebuild from from the, from the rehabilitation that you're trying to, to, to, to get them. and then of course, mixing the enough and, and the guilty,
11:55 am
you know that you know, and then come out, hadn't, and the side is really, really high. and so, and then as i said in the very beginning that trauma continue, years gone, post imprisonment. so what we doing is we really try to you we've got an amazing program called that was from your program, which is that healing program where the women come in sac coast to coast hackers of healing and they've got to shad genuinely ok. the hot said the pain and the really helps them he'll through the process. i've got one more thought fritzy. i want you to respond to this video. this is adam chon, he was formerly incarcerated in san quentin. he makes this point and then react immediately off the back of it. incarceration not only fails to address the root causes of violence, but in fact, reproduces and concentrates the conditions that create violence. and so it's futile
11:56 am
to think that we can somehow incarcerate people humanely when incarceration is inherently violent and traumatic practice. prisoners were originally created as a humane alternative to corporal punishment and torture. but since then, progressive projects have only serve to expand the prison system. the quest for a humane prison makes no sense. absolutely. and as she main prison makes no sense, the thing is we have to stop the bleeding. we have to stop. we have to stop. what's happening right now. prisons are military installations. they're basically war zones. and at the incarcerated people are treated as the enemy and the officer. so we, we have to also think about the officers. the life expectancy of an officer is 59
11:57 am
years old. what's happening to their lives, to their families lives, to their communities? lives? prisons are destructive for everyone involved and they're condone by the state is condone by the federal government and, but it's an old pattern and i really don't think we have anyone to blame, but we can, we have to make new decisions now, but he is absolutely right the way prisons are right now on their destructive, but we have to bring as much help as we can while we figure out what, what can replace the prisons the way they are now? i. so our audience, who's watching right now and you to raise that they ought to evaluate between prison should be punitive prison, shippy more humane. you have one sentence to persuade them. go ahead in one sentence when it could be criminal, like human pain, invest more in people and not in prison. thank you so much theresa. p at fred, safely pot of today's show. and thanks for your youtube comments as well. i'll see
11:58 am
you next time. take care ah charged with crimes against humanity, $4000.00 counts of torture and $58.00 cases of murder, rape, and sexual violence. people in power tracks the 1st ever war crimes trial of a syrian high ranking officer. i am taking part of this trail because he did something bad to me and to others as they're from i don't get a focus about job as part of that. he's in the trial of on world learn or to on. i just either a one documentary with rice, i'm was guy on al jazeera, the athletes a larger than life. but the world of sumo wrestling is shrouded in secrecy. one on
11:59 am
one east get to redirect safe inside to sport where ancient tradition makes more in scandal on l g 0 m each and every one of us has got a responsibility to change our personal space for the better we in we could do this experiment and if biodiversity could increase just a little bit, and that wouldn't be worth doing, anybody had any idea that it would become a magnet, always incredibly rare species for women to get 50 percent representation in constituent assembly year. and jenny, this me, but they got to collect the signature, the same, the re saying this extremely important service that they provide to the city. why do we, we need to take america to trying to bring people together trying to deal with
12:00 pm
people who left behind. lou 2. ready the u. s. secretary of state is in kia to try and diffuse tensions with russia as washington. lawrence, moscow could attack ukraine at any time. ah, i'm fully back to bo, this is al jazeera life from doha. also coming up is really police civic to palestinian family. i was center of an anti expulsion campaign, demolishing their home in occupied east jerusalem piece of a water crisis in tomba as.

27 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on