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change that narrative from confrontation to reconciliation in a period of 2 months is really a polar, a challenge that 20 years later ingrid bethany core is ready to face head on convinced that she still the best option for columbia to fight corruption and overcome the country's history of violence, allison the and pit, i'll just eat up with that. ah, no, again, i'm fully back to bo. with the headlines on al jazeera, u. s. secretary of state antony blinking has arrived in ukraine to meet present 40 minutes lensky as the white house ones. russia could attack at any moment. lincoln, as you told, talks with russia's foreign minister in geneva on friday. our views. this is an extremely dangerous situation. we are now at a stage where russia could, at any point, want an attack and ukraine. and what secretary blinking is going to go do is
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highlight very clearly. there is a diplomatic path forward. it is the choice of president putin and the russians to make whether they are going to suffer severe economic consequences or not. is early police have demolished a house belonging to a palestinian family in the shaft, your own neighborhood of occupied east jerusalem. the area has become a flash point of tension with hundreds of palestinians facing eviction. hong kong activists known for inspiring calls for independence has been released from prison . edward long spent 4 years in jail for his part, any confrontation with police in 2016. he's a 1st pro democracy figure to be freed, since beijing's crackdown began in 2020. the united nation says it stepping up its response to the volcanic eruption and to nami. in tonga, the government described it as an unprecedented disaster. you zealand and australia ascending fresh water and other supplies by boats. but the ashes proven more difficult to clear them was expected. ah,
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we thought that it would be operational yesterday. i am, but it hasn't been fully cleared yet because felt more anxious being falling on. and so they clear about a 100 or 200 meters per day. i, i java, which means i should say, ah, today, the indonesian man accused of being the mastermind behind the barley, 822-2002 deadly. bonnie bombings has been sentenced to 15 years in prison. the court handed down that ruling just a short while ago, 202 people were killed to win. bombs were detonated at night, clamps on the comparative resort islands. and in cambodia, the china opposition either chem, so count charges of treason has been adjourned. it resumed after a 2 year delay. he's accused of conspiring with the us to overhaul the government of hood said, those are the headlines inside story is next. 20 years after 7 years. brutal civil war claimed more than 50000 lives. how has the country progress rich
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in night to resources, but economically poor, either the provisions of his past still determining its future special coverage on al jazeera, the evans, who the rebels attack the united arab emirates at least 3 people are said to have died when drones struck oil facilities near abu dhabi airport. it's what message or who descended as yemen. civil war enters it's 7th year. this is in so story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm rob madison. the united arab emirates has promised it will retaliate against the most significant who, if he attacked that soil in years, rather stock an oil refinery near the airport of the capitol, abu dhabi,
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at least 3 people are reported to have been killed. satellite photos shows smoke at a dep all of the abu dhabi national oil company. sh. my city's police say 3 fuel tanks had exploded the u. e. as part of the saudi led coalition fighting the hoof. he's in yemen since 2015. the coalitions responded with air strikes on yelman's, capital, santa killing, at least 12 people. the hoodies are wanting of more retaliations. want to had their guardian was. aloha, the armed forces warned foreign companies and citizens residing in the you. ain't your enemies? said that they will not hesitate to expand the bank of targets to include more important sights and facilities during the coming period. or since the war began, the united arab emirates has taken an active role in yemen, but in 2019 the u. e. withdrew its forces from aden. it said it was part of an effort to strike a he still would, the who sees m r at e troops still had a significant role in supporting the southern transitional council. it's
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a group of separatists who want independence for southern yemen. in 2018, the u. a. he said the hoof is we're behind another attack on a fuel devil and avo dubey airport. and earlier this month, the hoof is say they seized an m r at he flag ship in the port city of her data. the saudi led coalition says the vessel was transporting medical supplies. ah, okay, let's bring in our guests in yemen, capital sen, eyes, journalist, hussein, elbow, haiti, and london. elizabeth kendall is a senior research fellow at pembroke college at the university of oxford. and in bristol, we have some of course i, he's an academic and political analysts. thank you very much indeed. all of you for joining us. elizabeth, let me ask you 1st. there's a lot. we still don't know about these attacks. one happened at a busy international airport. both were close to residential areas. but in the 24 hours, immediately after the attacks, there been very little videos and social media was been very little comment about
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it. what do you make of all of us? i, i think that's what's happening as everyone's assessing the extent and the impact of the attack before they rush to conclusions. and this is very smart, especially on the part of the u. e. they don't want a knee jerk reaction, but i think it's safe to say already that this is a very significant development in the war. although it's not completely unprecedented. no, there have been who see claimed attacks on the u a before. it's much more usual to see this type of coordination. drone and ballistic missile attack, against saudi arabia, the immediate neighbor, if they use these to the north. and in fact they've been about a 1000 such attacks on saudi arabia since the war begun. but no attack like this involving the loss of life in the united arab emirates. so this is a major breach of you. a security lives have been lost. it's deep into you
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a territory. it's a real escalation and it opens up yet another regional dimension to the conflict or st. bahati. the eminence, as we said, had claimed to at least have scaled down its presence in yemen, at least in terms of its own troops. the hutus, as elizabeth just mentioned, have been focusing on saudi arabia. why attack the eminence know what prompted this? because as you mentioned that the data but it has the escalate. it's the involvement of course. they have withdrawn some of the person in and troops for me, yemen, but they continue to support the separate different support groups that are even not loyal to the so called the government. they just want to divide. yemen is like they say, divide and conquer. and what about the latest attack? because united arab emirates, after they withdrawn from data cause they have sent dues to call the giant there brigade to shop why they started the fighting and then, and i thought of it,
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but it has, it is fully resumed. it's a strike against many area not only in sub was will in matter and in the modern in other area. that's why you, many me and some command that here they have warning tonight out of in minute about a week ago. that if they are not going to stop that, i talked, the demons will attack a united arab emirates. this is exactly what had been done. i believe that if you know that that will continue as they did in the last 24 hours in the response to the attack on united out of w. they have thought to get it that has done jill area in this and are killing 12 civilians in an 11. the civil beeble is still missing. 10 people is unique family. they told the father, the mother of the nephews and nieces and the daughters funds. and that's why i think that in the coming days we might see a major attack against united out of a minute. because the latest attack on santa was conducted by united out of emitted
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fight to get so but because i do you think that the who sees are capable of actually producing a sustained campaign against the united out of eminence? or are we going to see a series of intermittent attacks similar to what we've seen so far? well, could it be in fact, yeah, but not really i don't think the, you know, presenting the very, really strapped to security software until tonight. no image. i think that this attack, it's not going to flashing their muscles. i mean, you know, the iranian muscles, if i make shades, because we all know that to be backed by iran is abrupt. you are on behalf of iran happening in yemen. however, i love that as a very dangerous escalation, and i think you know, the wise people and who, if i may say, should take into consideration that this is
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a by elation of the sovereignty and integrity of not that much. the course threat to the security of the region, and this escalation would not lead to anywhere whatsoever. and we all know very well that the who t has conflicted so many casualties and defeats in the front line. and the, the official government forces. i mean, the, the, the nominees army on that is your stance. and of course, you know, joint by the giant brigade to be, we have america, has marched, has march towards shove, well, and now there are marching to behind her aid. and this major, you know, this major bottom fee and what really had heart the whole thieves presidency. that's legion. this is why they are trying to wear the quarter to punish united out
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of him as of such a warm months because you know, you might not be the, you know, training and be just, you know, supplying munitions. and i mean the, the trying to put a gauge on the other official government's forces and the region. so hopefully you think that by doing this, by talking, you know, civilian targets or, or even refineries and up would that be the capital in might, i might, might, might, you know, put holds on such effect of the united out of your mouth and the region. i mean, you know what it is, but i want to ask you about the point that someone just brought up there. those links that are believed to have to be existing between iran and the cookies were at a stage if i understand it correctly for saudi arabia and iran are in the midst of
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ongoing exploratory talks as they've been described, which are being hosted in iraq. and they're being hosted by baghdad, but i understand that we're also some iranian officials have moved to jet just in the last 24 hours or so in order to be part of the the organizational to slam it cooperation which condemned these attacks. now my, my question is this, is this the right time for the hoodies to be carrying out attacks like base when there appears to be some effort on, on the parts of saudi arabia and iran to reach some sort of agreements between them? yes, that's the $60000000.00 question. i think it's important to understand at the moment that we're not clear on precisely how closely the who sees under iran collaborated on these particular attacks. and that's, that's important because it helps inform the message that trying to send us. and i
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think it's also important to point out that the fees are supported by iran, but they're not a direct proxy the who these can still make independent decisions. so what kind of message is being sent at this time? i think we can read this in various ways. and these pivot really around 2 parallel strands of iran talks, as you say, that's a regional independence dialogue happening between iran and saudi arabia. and also iran, the united arab emirates. and who's the message perhaps in that case is look, we're still head. we're a persistent threat and it doesn't matter if you make sideline agreements with iran, where an independent entity and we're still going to be bellicose. the other strands, the 2nd strand, is of course, the international j c. p way the nuclear deal for these are rich in quite a fraud position at the moment as an urgency to get them over the line. so this
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could be iran, sending a message to the international community, saying look, what we can do. we can be stabilize the region. you need to give us more. you need to yield more throughout demand. so what you, what you were shaking your head of the 1st part of elizabeth's answer. just tell me what you think about elizabeth's response. well, i, you know, i'm really confused by this what she's saying. she's saying that maybe it's local to clear that the who is doing a practice on behalf of iran and then another what she said, we have the next trend. maybe it's a message from iran, the community down to the americans that you know, we have to give up, you know, to give us, you know, some, you know, some concessions and have a nuclear deal. so i think, you know, we need to make up our mind and we need to make sure that after 70 years, how can we such effects our knowledge or wisdom, that toothy is independence of the effect of the,
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of the radiance. you know very well your answer is playing poker game with the agent on with the world just as they are holding, you know, for cars in lebanon in iraq and. ready syria and yemen. however, however, there are some rumors on the machine about that. those attacks is not conflicted or, you know, done by the flu. these, there are some rooms, there are some security reports. it might have come from them from iran. the same as aramco. 2 years ago or pain from iraq and iraq, have you know, 60 militias, under their leadership of is my luke army, our quotes of the gates, you know, leader and there are, you know, receiving that, you know, orders from, from, to hang so, so the, let me enter eyes rolled. rob, yet forgive me for interrupting you, but i take your point. i think elizabeth,
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we should stress that elizabeth was saying, it's not clear what the link is. that is not to say that there isn't a link or there is, it just simply did the actual links, the diff, the definition, if you like, of that link isn't clear, but i want to come to her st. bahati because you of course in. so now you are working along side or working certainly in a situation where the hu fees are operational from your experience. and is there any indication that there is a specific link between an iran and the hoodies and iran could be controlling what is happening on the grounds with who these now i don't want to get too deeply into this because we are talking of course, about the emirates, but i just think that this is an important point to try and make clear what's your analysis briefly, sir, if you would of what that situation is. i mean a run, of course it's a board the human politically and we'll throw out the media on them as what mama said, i'm the person i'm federal law said the months ago that the human is getting some
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help from iran kind of information about building military information about the bins and building and making the weapons but, but the claim that there are weapons coming by the stick. nice side the to 12 meter long. and if you will and wait, that's that they have some organ in t. m. and i mean, the human is under located and so the are thought to get in the small boat and a small ships as more efficient board. so how can iran smuggle this type of weapons and is that it is really actually funny or silly that we still hear, especially in the night that they blame iran and they will, they claim that the war and that involvement in yemen is because to liberate yemen . from iran, and on the other hand, we see that united that has a great relationship with the iraq. they have struck some economical deals with the iran and they have some security deals they have in busy between them. and i mean,
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why are you coming to fight it in, in, in, in yemen? i don't. honda, united way. i'm a claim that the iran is by, into the island. they mean it better tonight to be able to liberate the country as they claim. then coming to liberate yemen from what they say that the iranian involvement. but what, what actually the quality is doing. they try to make any attack that is not will, not effect. but if you see at the beginning of the war, it was a for the new united out of emma to advancing on the ground who lounge an attack on strike against him and but now after 7 years, is this the, i know that out of him now who are right, start to cry out loud to the international community. i know they are talking about the security of that. he did this mean that yeah, many policies here, the many ought to be out today to know not only to so the, for the night out of 40 in yemen, but as well to the tonight out of the american self. and so the, and one final thing about looking that the latest attack is against civilians
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a night out of invalid like i would be reported under your facility. yes, those are civilians. but we came meeting him and they say to a conclusion, i what i united that up in that it has destroyed with the o d. all in many parts. all they have bombed schools, mosque and everything. just imagine about more than $400000.00 a year. many civilians have died either by the blockades or by this point i want to move on. if only had just one last boys were handful of civilians have been killed according to so you know, out of minutes in the, on the attack that coming from me on the show you that demo voted capable to avoid the videos as much as they can. ok, i want to by actually wanted to kind of expand on that point and bring us back to the, the incident that we've seen just recently, elizabeth, given the fact that the ambulance has removed a lot of its own troops from the ground in yemen. do you think that that is going
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to encourage it to mount even greater attacks in yemen from not because it has fewer of its own citizens to be, to put at risk? yes. as possible, as my colleague just pointed out, one of the triggers of this attack now may be that the u. a e back forces have played a crucial role and pushing back who's the advances in shop, le, and read. and so the message from the who sees in that case might be pull back, you a who your back forth is away or that could be was to come. now, this might well backfire. i think it's likely to backfire. what it's likely to do is to steal the result of the united arab emirates against the hoof fees, and to also perhaps help mend some of the risk that had started to appear inside the saudi led coalition. and all them back together again to really try to counter
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the who threat all come back to bite them inside the country. so but let me ask you about the, the, the global perception of this, the, the p r l, and then tell that there was a period of time. and certainly in the last 2 years of the b, m, and war. when it was widely regarded as a p r disaster for the correlation, saudi arabia, and for those involved in it, do you think that the moratti's would be willing to risk that p r. disaster again, by increasing the number of attacks in yemen. they are not as q in going to be in fact, reach the aging to what sorts of aggressive factors that talk to their facilities onto said to their civilians. hello, i just want to remind you that there are in the united nations resolution it's 2216
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. which clearly states that this is the who the has made of cool. and they have to draw their forces from yemen and submit everything. weapons on their armies to the legitimate governments of, of president i was the had the most sure. don't forget that this is international regard to mission is one. the other thing, you know, after that from yesterday afternoon of 247 international condemnation for moreover, the was the united nation, the usa, britain, european union, france, in particular, most of the arabs and most of the in asia, india militia, pakistan. and this means, this means that this is how, how aggressive and how easily this attack to the, to the united out of images. on the contrary, if i may say, on the contrary,
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if i may say that i think the forces and this few, excuse me, i quote, and this once matter shall be hon. i mean, how do you mella a java? this is a final bill. won't line battlefield, they will march forwards. this is why this is why the whole he's are crying. and then of the day, let me make it briefly. this is the water is not between united arab emirates. answer your or that, or the, or, you know, the lions against know is between the arabs and iran. i repeat between the arabs and iraq. and what i, what i, what button feels in for in, in 4 countries in iraq. and then so it's in there and in the man i'm in love and, and celia, this is very clear. i'm please tell me. i don't. i mean it's, it's,
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it's really funny to listen to people saying that they have, i mean they have been a messiah, they have drones, and they think that you're shipping them only, you know, support particular support and media support. no, they are supporting them with all kinds of weapons. there is no manufacturing facilities in yemen or, and saw that the amount is also signed. let me, let me just pick up on the point that the sub is making there. if there is international condemnation and criticism of this action by the cookies, will that be enough for the cookies to rain and to show what some would regard as i'm mature response a proper response. they've made their point, they've, they've, they've hit the united alabama. it's and now they do know more if there is that
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international pressure in order to acknowledge that response from the international committee with the cookies. do you think we prepared to do that? i mean, the oldest contamination for many companies, most of the countries are either in the as he said, some out of nature are in the coalition or some countries who have a good time with the desire to state of israel and one from countries like u. k. france, any like state who are fully supporting disorder and making billions of dollars and sell in the was just a want to make well, one thing get clear of who is actually now crying out loud is not on federal law. the hope the is the united emitter to celebrate and on. so you, with this type of condemnation, which i have said here that any international calls or any you in security council decision or resolution, they said they will put them under their feet. so they don't care about that because they know that the insecurity calls that is in the hands of the united states and united states is in line with the united out of image. and so the,
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so they will do whatever it take to help this country. and we remember the beginning of the war when the night of nathan has removed you from an unite out of him, but i put on the list for killing children of the time the security did the general said that they are. they blackmail us. they but i said as they will cut fund, that's why we have removed their name from that list. on the 2nd year they have the coalition for avoid didn't kill in you have any children in the show you that evidence and they don't believe the international community and they will do what it takes to to attack. so got a bill out of $15.00 because we're money. i want to get the last question to elizabeth, forgive me because we only have a few seconds left in a couple of sentences, given the level of international pressure that we have here. we've seen talks between the host these and saudi arabia and various other sites which have reached a stalemate. we've seen this military action and i am, i do,
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please do forgive me because we don't have a lot of time. how do you see this playing out over the next few weeks? well, i think there are 3 main implications of this. first of all, it changes the calculus. both the united arab emirates and saudi arabia towards the ball. it shows them what could happen in their own countries. second, it makes an agreement with iran even more urgent because even if the who these are acting independently, well, they need that weapons replenished from somewhere, someone supplying them someone is strength them. and it's very likely that that is the wrong. and then 3rd, yemen sheets on the international agenda. it may have fallen off with other problems like afghanistan or ethiopia, but now with the region potentially ablaze with the over spill that everyone was concerned about from the m and war. actually, that is a possibility. i think everyone's eyes will turn back. gm and elizabeth, thank you very much. indeed. i want to say thanks to all our guests who st. alba, haiti, elizabeth kendall on, silva all jose. and of course,
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