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. a fishing dispute between britain and france heads into choppy waters. both sides accused the other of breaking post regs. it agreements on fishing rights, but what's really behind the route and why has it escalated now? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much am jerome? fishing is not only an important industry for the u. k. and france, but a deeply emotional issue as well. it was hugely debated during discussions on britain's departure from the european union. and now tensions are rising again. the
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u. k. used to be part of the e u as common fisheries policy that gave all european fishing boats equal access. after bridget e. u and u. k. vessels needed licenses to fish in each other's territorial waters. the boats had to prove that they had fished there in the past to make things more complicated . the self governing british territories of jersey in guernsey and the channel islands issue their own licenses. france accused the u. k. of only granting at a small number of the licenses it's entitled to britain denies this, saying those boats at rejected couldn't prove a track record of fishing in the area. the dispute escalated on thursday when france detained a british trawler accused of fishing without a license. another boat was fined for not complying with maritime checks. frances, threatening to block british boats from ports. if the issue isn't resolved by tuesday, alexey o'brien has more from the port of love,
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frances laid down an ultimatum. if its fishermen did not get the licenses that they say they deserve, and that they expected under the post bricks at tre, dale by tuesday, then ports like this one will be at the center is what they call in targeted measures. british fishing vessels will not be able to dock at ports like this, they'll be tough, a longer health and safety checks on trucks going in and out of port from the u. k . also, versus fishing vessels will face toughest security checks if they are fishing, infringe waters, boats like this. once this scholar trula that was seized earlier in the week, accused of fishing and french waters without a license and its been caught up in a escalating dispute between france and the u. k. over access to british waters waters off the coast of france, including the island of jersey, which fits just about 22 kilometers off the coast. now the french president m l mccomb has said that this route is actually a test of the case global credibility. he's told
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a newspaper that you can spend years negotiating this trade deal and then within a matter of bumps decide which but you want to stick to depending on which bits suit you best. he says that is not an example of good character. the french prime minister john caustics, has reportedly written to the european commission asking for its support and saying that it must demonstrate that there is more damage by leaving the european union than by staying within the block. but there are also concerns here in france and ports like this in french fishing communities, up and down the coast. that if the measures do go ahead on tuesday as france is threatening, actually it will be the ports. it will be the fishing communities and consumers who end up paying the price. france is also threatened to restrict energy supplies to the channel islands. president emanuel micron says the dispute is a test of the case credibility. britton's prime minister promised to retaliate france breaches. post briggs, it agreements. both leaders are due to discuss the matter on the sidelines of the g
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. 20 meeting in rome. all right, joining us now our, our guests in cambridge gram judge an honorary research associate at the center for business research at the university of cambridge, he has former special adviser to the 1st minister in the northern ireland assembly in brussels. peter clippy, editor of brussels report. you a news website covering politics in the you and in paris is jean christophe, gillian, founder and ceo of xin on 7, a european public affairs company. john christophe was closely linked to the former e u briggs negotiator, michelle barney. and warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story. fits are, let me start with you today. france claims that britain has denied fishing licenses to dozens of french boats. britain is saying that most licenses have actually been issued, but that some french vessels don't meet the criteria for british waters. who exactly
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is more to blame here? oh, it's hard to say, i mean, this has been going going on for a while, a basically the u. k is saying, well, you need to be able to prove that you have been fishing before and the franchise is claiming that this is all just an excuse to allow the u. k to, to prevents certain french fishermen to fish and its waters graham at its core is this dispute essentially about how many french fishing boats are going to be allowed to fish in u. k. waters. but i think it is, but it's a minor disputed, so it's very help to know from the british why, why, why has been made into such a big issue. so this is just an issue off. a few dozen small fishing boats failed to prove that they have traditionally fished in these waters. the treaty signed at the beginning of this, this year, trade incorporation agreement. clearly sutton's. it's just you have to provide
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a proof. my understanding is the spokes. how can you know by the proof, and i'm not able to fish, although it can, my understanding is that the, for the own channel i, this is laura who's we're allowing them to fish for the time being. give him a bit more time to establish this proof. now there's probably a lot more behind this really that explains why the french, it's such a big issue, but a cold. but this issue is just a minor issue, providing proof of traditional fishing and fishing grounds. jean christophe of france has threatened further checks and restrictions on british vessels if this is not resolved. from your vantage point, are we going to see france blocking other british boats from entering french ports? and we need to to understand what's going to happen this afternoon. and room between the 2 leaders that are going to meet around this issue. another larger one and most and more important. because what i'm,
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what i'm looking at is something is more very, quite either personal between 2 leaders or a less french and you british issue than a my call johnson. and both regarding their internal agenda and especially political electoral agenda for him and are in my class. so i'm not very sure was gone. we're going to go a bit more up on the escalade saying, which is something already i i have no, i have not seen on the fishing or the fishing issue, something as hard as this between france and, and the u. k. we hadn't been having some kind of a conversation that that level between france and spain in the same merits him or fishing issue. but this is more something that is happening because we have, there is specific agenda here and falls both electoral and at the same time because fonts is going to be presided,
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but having the presidency of the you starting january 1st. so something is happening because it's, it's more political internal agenda because at the same time boys johnson wants to show his citizens that he's mastering and controlling what's happening in his water . something is happening around this more than a more larger brick set activation, technical and political conversation which was already very intense between you and, and, and the, and the u. k. appeared to her, are you surprised to how quickly this has escalated and from your vantage point, how big of a diplomatic route could this actually become? i mean, how, how much more tense could this get? well, you know, fisheries is a very sensitive political issue everywhere. so if you're a politician and you want to poster, then fisheries is a great, you know, a great topic. now that says, i think it could still further escalate. but there's 2 important things. first of
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all, this cannot be seen and independent from the overall e. u u. k. tensions a over irish c checks and the demands by the british to scrap the role of the european court of justice and policing a part of the, the deal between the union. ok, the northern irish part now that set. secondly, ultimately, both sides will need to compromise on fishing because european fishermen and french fishermen are dependent on being able to fish in british waters on the one hand. and the british fishery sector is dependent on the european consumer market on the consumers of the european union. to be able to sell all their fish and we've seen earlier this year, particularly with, with scottish fishermen, how much damage can be done when, when this is being disrupted. so at the end of the day, it's great for postering,
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but a deal will need to be found. john kristof, i saw you nodding along to some of what peter was saying there, did you want to jump in? do you have something you want to add? yeah, just just, just i'm cry. okay. with the whole perspective inside your agenda probably he could precise it more than i can do. the fishing, of course, is a political, sensible, and national sensible issue, especially in some regions inside the european. we have conversations between, for example, spain and morocco, which are very intense around the written issues. but at the same time, inside the global activation of the brick set, which is both lee and politically very sensible. and it's quite normal to my point of view. it's something that is not very prior to re something is happening much more on the northern lot northern island border. any other issues or more fact than
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this one? and this is more something that can be handled because it set the level of these 2 leaders. i really think it's more of an internal issue more difficult. for example, amendment mccoy has a lot of difficulties to a thought from the commission because terrible. it's all the pressed on the u. k. yesterday. but you know that the other leader is inside the members are not very if you look at from the polish point of view, the italian point of view, whatever. this is not a very sensible issue. and today in rom, i'm not very sure the ones that are going into conversation, we'll be talking about that as so i'm not sure this has gone to going to be escalating more much more because as, as, as, as of hannah solar, it just said before, they we need each other, we need to fish in the british waters and the breadth need to this market and need to transform in some factories and frost in reality. gram emanuel micron now
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told a newspaper that this phishing rao is a test of view case credibility that of the you case global credibility buquet, of course, is also involved in a dispute with the e. you about the trade agreement. regarding northern ireland, how much is the u. kay's credibility at risk right now? well, not much, i think, i mean, i think we've got a series of somewhat outlandish threats for emanating from ministers in, in paris. and we know, we know what underlies this is the young is the fact all brakes with yourself, the front feminist sent a letter to the, the president of the commissioner this week saying that the, that the british carcass seemed to be gaining from brett's it. you know, it's absurd thing to say this is, this is one of francis biggest export markets from the french government is going to come in. but she can, we can't seem to be doing well. i mean,
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it's ridiculous. you're quite right. this is being time a context here quite right, as being linked to the more value protocol, which i think is a much bigger and more difficult issue with a trustworthy possibility of blowing up. but surely these things are best taken separately. the fishing issue is, is just a matter and access of an excess of $3000.00 small, small fishing boats to travel items water. so we face, we saw that it could go to the arbitration and the fact of linkage and in fact the, the primary, this is letter to the e. you suggests that the french government wants to complicate this to make it into a much bigger issue practice because of the presidential elections can government in france. i, i'm, i'm not qualified to come until now. but the whole issue is closing bemusement in which we just by the government of the public html press. really understand why
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french doings peter it. do you believe that absolution can be found to this that it's supported by other e u member states or? well, what we saw is that france has been making quite aggressive threats, including the threatening to cut off, and it's tricity to the, to the okay or, or to jersey and guarantee. i mean, the question is, ultimately, if they would do that mean again, it would probably hurt france as a, as an electricity exporter versus so i don't think they will go that far. what we saw is that the other european governments are supporting france in theory. but they do not necessarily support all the aggressive rhetoric, so they do not necessarily support all the the threats that have been coming from the, from the, from the french side. so as i mentioned, yes, ultimately, a compromise will need to be found. perhaps this is indeed
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a marker on trying to gain some support among the fishing community and in the yellow vests. you could say the ordinary workers to, to bolster his credibility there. but i think if this escalates it, then it will blow up in his own face. so he also has an incentive to, to make sure there is a landing zone here. and indeed, perhaps today, and he stalks with a burst johnson. they can try to, to sort of results. jean christophe, of course you've heard peter and graham both talk about the fact that emanuel micron is going to be facing a presidential election next year. and perhaps this is for domestic consumption. let me ask you what kind of risks this carries for him. i mean, if he seems to be strong domestically because of this, how much does that help if this drags on becomes more heated, becomes more of a diplomatic route? how much does he lose?
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because we can, we have to, as i say, i was starting is we have 2 evens that are closely linked and have a different perspective when we have that presidential election. and obviously a manual macklemore is trying to boost his capacity to be popular in specific brittany northern part of france, region where the fishing industry, even though it is that economically so sensible, is something very popular. so these issues, especially when you're talking to the u. k. and well, when you had that long history between french and u. k, especially these regions which are complicating a very popular to have the fight with that, you keep the 2nd. but this is not something that he could drag on to the end of april. well, well you have that presidential election vote, but the main point to me is where he has to be in capacity to now have
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a conversation with, with us, which is that we have, we're having that french presidency starting of the european union starting for 6 months starting in early january, 1st of january, so he's then a leader of the european issues. and then we have that conversation with you k regarding that activation of the brick set. but he won't be able to talk only from the french point of view. and as i said, and i tried to to point is to stress, is that when you come from spain, italy, poland, or austria, germany, you're not a newton. i'm not sure that that fishing, you know, issue is something that can be and especially if you had that aggressive capacity and not diplomats ink, a rhetoric is something that can't be handled too long. so i'm pretty sure something's gonna happen this afternoon. and probably we're gonna have that
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intensity lowing down in the next day is probably in the next week's a before that, you know, we had that 2nd of november day, which is something very good. so i'm, we're going to have that solution right now because there's no interest now that the moves has been done either from the macro side of the boys, johnson side boys, johnson had this to show his mastering, controlling of what's happening in the waters of an of an of a britain, the great britain coming from the brakes had said, you know, and it's something he has to be showing. so it's quite the good enemies a fighting. it's other, they're a trying to get, you know, it's something more internal again then european of course, and even riches or french gram. i know that you've said the, you expect that this is going to be resolved in fairly short order, but i just want to look at what happens if that's not the case in the u. k. has said that it is ready to retaliate. do you believe that if this drags on the u. k,
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would take retaliatory measures and if so, what could those measures look like? well, i think the british government is very keen not to specify what they might be. the british government doesn't want to make this problem see much more serious, and it actually is because of the french as a current, peter suggest you've already threatened to cut off electricity, not only to the generalized, those are 2 mailing the favor and to connect to it also threatened to go so on customs checks this, threatened benson shellfish in bolts from from you. k boats known is this, these all very strong threats and out of all proportion to the problem as it exists . so i think the u. k. government would have to respond in some ways, but obviously firms will respond as well. now if this occurs, so a tally on the on trade, getting it to, to friends of companies will,
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will merely go elsewhere. go to rotterdam at work and campbell lloyd, and i think right through the friendship process would be try to avoid things to be trying to avoid damage to the trade coming through. tie. and of course, see that the head of the french region, the xavier that are, is a, is a candidate. it's central, counted it in here, french presidential election. so basically he will be protecting kelly. so if somebody's threats are probably rather empty, or us better from chris officer will, will probably know more by the end of today. here's, i know we've spoken today about how emotional an issue fishing can become in both countries. i want to take a step back for a moment though and, and look at, you know, how much does the fishing contribute to the economies of both countries and how much of a lifeline is it for coastal communities?
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well, of course we're talking about thought thousands of jobs are at the end of the day, both in new k and in france. so even if this is in percentage terms, only a small, a lot of damage would be done in a short period to, you know, to a certain economic sector. and if this would be and then a very rigid regionally concentrated in a alec in an area that is relatively important for electoral reasons. then for a small issue can actually become much more important is basically in that sense, punching above its weight. i don't think we should also. ready underestimate how fisherman, in the public eye are seen as a hard working ordinary people. so if you're a politician and not just in france and you're standing up for fishermen,
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i think you will always always gain from that so. so i think that's definitely something to be kept in mind. in the light of this crisis, jean christophe for france was angered by decision from the u. k and jersey last month to deny fishing licenses to french boats. they argued that it was a breach of the briggs a deal from your standpoint. was it a breach of the, of the break to deal? if you look at the whole, again, the, the way the breaks it is being handled. now. it's a very strong conversation either politically, technically it is, it's quite not we, this is something that is impossible to prepare at that level because it's something that always has to be. it's a living, you know, something that has to be handled very precisely. and we're going to have these kinds of threats and again,
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conflicts either for strong issues or, or small ones, but very symbolic, as it has been said around the fishing or the merit. tim issue, it's always something very symbolic. again, we the, you have the same with morocco in the southern europe, and we've been having internally that conversation before with britain and we from the printer side, read spain the same. oh, spain and portugal. so something is happening around that. but if you look at the breakfast being handle right now, and people are very semester, but something is happening and it's that conversation will be going to something probably not what has been written down, but something that evolution is, is moving from that written down to something more living and it's quite normal. so if you look at both sides, now we are pretty sure other incidents will happen. other kind of the conflicts,
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other minor are bigger, but it's normal because this is something that has been written down that the treaty has been a sign of course, but it's living material was something that is handling people's life is sending, you know, realities and all. can't be only you have the, the written part and you have what has to be handled after that written bill and it's happening now. it would be happening because of a conversation that is very high, aggressive right now, that it's going to be this way for the next month and next years. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the discussion there. thanks so much to all of our guests. graham gudgusten, peter clip and jean christophe gallium. and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our
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