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a news hour for you here on al jazeera, off the inside story. ah or the european union and bella roost playing politics with refugees. fellow roost is accused of opening a new migrant route as a retaliation against e u sanctions. could their stand off lead to a humanitarian crisis in the baltics? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much m g m. the european union is divided
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on how to respond to a migration crisis. in the baltics, bella roost is accused of helping refugees and migrants from afghanistan, iraq, and syria, to cross the border into the block. you leaders are calling it state sponsored smuggling. the number of those trying to cross has surged in recent months. poland border agency says it's recorded 16000 attempts since august and 5000 in october alone. other migrants traveled to latvia and lithuania. b. u accuses bella roost of using what it calls hybrid warfare to retaliate against sanctions. it imposed on minsk those measures were a response to a crackdown on descent in belarus. that's led to thousands of people being detained since last year. natasha butler has more from brussels. as frustration with bell royce grows in the block, some european leaders did not hold back on the last day of
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a summit in brussels. they accused president alexander lucas jenko, of running a human trafficking ring and weapon ising migration, by helping people to cross and legally into neighboring countries. to be see the harbor to attack of belarus regime, which is continued, which is becoming more and more aggressive. receive is up for salvation efforts, the c a prior try. soft bar ocean regime to find new connections. new destinations . the u says uminski is flying people mainly from the middle east into bearers and helping them to cross the border into the block by a poland lithuania. and latvia, what are you in luxembourg prime minister called on leaders to respect people's rights a day after an 8th person died on the border, where conditions for migrants are grim. some countries want to build a board offense, but after the meeting you leaders agree to strengthen boarders and impose more
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sanctions on minsk. we consider the behavior of the bellows government as a hybrid attack. the people used by lucas ankle of victims. we must help them. no one's life should be used for political issues. and this is an instrumental ization of migration to pull it put to political pressure on the european union. we will keep up the pressure on the lucas shanker regime and the problem with the europeans borders is not so much that we don't have an off border guards or order. we don't have enough fences. da da da, real problem is that when people manage to enter illegally on you territory a day, they are fairly certain that they will be able to stay even if they do not have a right to stay within a verse. his actions widely seen as retaliation for existing you sanctions, someone to whether more penalties unlikely to stop minsk. but how to tackle
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migrations long been a source of division in the block. at our last summit is german chancellor. angler merkel expressed regret. but after so many discussions, the e u has yet to come up with a coherent migration plan. natasha butler al jazeera brussels. the migrants are caught in the middle. al jazeera steadfast and spoke to 2 men who eventually made it to germany. they told us, when you will, you will, i will kill you. he will be dying. no means you could go to bullen. but of course you, yes. and they told us they cut, they give us a cutter. they told us ok, bull and pull me, go. and get to the copper yes the they give us the cut of what to cut. the harvard wire that he was duck being sent back and forth between the 2 countries for 20 days, better wishes would tell us to go to poland. a polish return was to go the opposite
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direction to but of us. but 20 days we had no access to food or water and pollution . police would either put their weapons up as well, beaches and repeatedly tell us to go back to poland. ah. all right, let's bring in our guests in kevin ukraine, yellow slab roman show president of the think tank, mrs. scientific research center and in brussels, catalano chief executive of the center for european policy studies. thank you for joining us. we appreciate your time here on the inside story today. kado, let me start with you today. european union leaders pledged on friday to keep up the pressure on beller roost. president alex anchor alexander lucas shanker. to halt the flow of migrants from his country. how do they keep up the pressure? what does that entail was we know since august last year they had started with sanctions. i know they have increase on the sanction of the month of june. and of course, they're further looking into what all the depression exercise on the government. i
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know they're looking also to take in order priority for what they did with this a journalist who came back from, from athens and a force to land in between. yeah. but also they're looking a national alicia, but also looking to do the same thing, i think, to all the international organizations. the problem who is that the russia is not a member of many organizations like the council europe or b r c. organizations to get a good question. so the only things, yes, is through these all the international organizations, like i met from the united nations. but this is more difficult because for example, the i m. s. recently accorded a 1000000000 loan to get it. so, i mean, the best thing you can do is to use at all the means to look at all domains which exist up international level with rational organizations. put pressure on russia, for example. also ensure that flies from syria or flights from iraq cannot happen.
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who bring the stuff which is the strongest and all these me so, so just to make sure that the maximum pressure is on the lane also set on russia and go on the government yet us live. you leaders have also agreed to impose more sanctions on men's going forward. but if bela bruce's actions are seen as a retaliation for existing e u sanctions, how would imposing more sanctions actually be effective? let's talk about the appropriate or the nature of sanctions because in the 1st 9 months of the year in the light of sanctions, bolivar some export of the goods to european union doubled and look at the collapse of the way. busy sanctions imposed because what he cares about is money. there are no restrictions on trade. there are almost no restrictions and capital. moreover, some european companies urge european union to change functional regime as it was
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imposed so far. so as we go said, different hybrid modes of waging war against european union, i implemented information war. busy trade warfare, and what he cares about is keeping the society under treat control and preserving contexts with the kremlin and keep both cusick cesium bad and in the light of very inappropriate mode of sanctions. he believes he can do that without any consequences. but what i should notice and point out is how come that these inflow refugees of people from different. busy countries happened only in 2021, never had happened before. so there must be some information campaign in these countries to tell the people what kind of stagers brother has and not to come to
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brother, because nobody forces into these planes to come to bellows, which is definitely where do this hybrid mode of warfare with europe in union to abolish sanctions altogether and kind of the you keeps talking about hybrid warfare that bella bruce is waging some type of hybrid attacks and hybrid warfare. what exactly can you break that down for us? what exactly hybrid warfare mean when, when it's applied to bell roost right now. hi. and this gauge is kind of a work that is not the real thing. i mean, i mean, but alicia is not saying that they are doing these things. they are doing seem just as a threat, i mean to the european union, and they said this is my parents are calling to reach out to go to the you. but they are not saying that that's the formal hydrate bar for the risk. but i think i said these are the things that you can count on us. we know that we have some other problems with it, but they try to cross the border into hold on, all of which is not one of the most key members of europe in europe in union can
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use as also as an element towards foreign to say, look, you see what your opinion is good or we can act together, and we can stop this guy at your borders, which you don't like at all as well to come into your country. but anyway, it's a thing which, you know, you want you don't time. it's happened already in the times, but i think look, i didn't have to look very far. everyone was edited on this, but the city and 201516 by which it with maximum brush on medical and got several billions to keep disputing refugees within the borders. but again, let's have what you can do is limit that, but the best thing that you will be concentra to be, or not this androids or sized maxima, russia, and probably also as the other speaker was saying. and there are still many more things that you can do. and if, for example, the mass, just a quarter to 1000000000 loan to do a better,
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lucia that would not have been done. but again, apparently there are still many polls which can keep, look, i should call it i. and the most important one is close relationship with the put in a regression years life is what we're seeing here is, oh yeah, go ahead. if you want to jump in, please go, hey me, a little bit correction. that is not alone technically that so this a burst meant of the funds that each member of i am i've got and there must be good reasons not to give it to borrows like not recognizing the legit mr. barshan government deny mark is not a political organization to do that. that is why look a stronger regime. god is $920000000.00 and definitely that's not the loan. and it doesn't say. ready that i am f support that however europe in union foreign policy should definitely be more. busy comprehensive and consistent and again the seller will see is famous for cutting small gold. busy different kinds of gray economy
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schemes in trading tobacco goods with europe in union and it has never been stopped . so. busy migration is another way that shows that differently, homework. busy should be done by european union to come to why has the still not been able to come up with a coherent and comprehensive migration plan? yeah, there's no element, but that's an issue. i mean, if you look at that you, we have money to us for united. what are very integrated, but the whole domain of what we call home of. and it's just as affairs is much less and of course has evolved into placing us. but we still do not have, for example, of common aside in policy. i mean, we have different interpretations of us into different member states mange the total national responsibility. it's more than your responsibility. i really think that has called for e y, it's our new agency, permanent foundation of the dublin convention. but of course,
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there's still some way to go before we get there. and we, by the way, publish the paper on this only a month ago. just saying how crucially important it is to do that. but again, this is the main, remember, state referred leslie to keep it on their own control rather than to have it under your control. and again, you don't need to look pretty far. look at hungry look at the photos which are more . this is the members within the you to call it that way. which would certainly not like to have crosses dictating the policy for these 2 countries. kind of, you just mentioned, you know, basically the idea that you would like to see there be a unified policy when it comes to asylum. what has to happen for that to become a reality? i mean, it's not. so this is just the members that have to agree in common that he wants to do this to get here. and there is a single agency dealing with all as either of you. but i mean that they have to get
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a song sovereignty over asylum obligations. nation low, but actually have an you are 30, which is basically looking at all member states to agree onto the side on the side for a given asylum seeker years today, it is totally a member. so it's not, you are responsible your slot at its core, right? now is what we're seeing play out is this a case of bell ruth and the you essentially playing politics with the lives of refugees? unfortunately, the cynical behavior. busy ability is, i believe it does not inform people who come to bother on the conditions and how they can go to europe in union. on the one hand, on the other hand, it's the blood rush was human, realizes the soft bar in your heart. and paul is have migration policy and abuse, of course. but there is one player also that we should mention case russia. thank
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people believe that russia definitely could have a say in these kind of conflict. and if russia says something or take the position to the migration policy in order. busy i think that your opinion would be very grateful and russia. we also see that it has some library, john brothers, wherever it doesn't happen, that means that not only migration policy is in question and it does not add strength european union. but also that at the injury like energy policy right now in the capital. busy and many other things, and we see the weakening of richie and union as the fact so that is abused by the russian, russian authorities altogether. and kind of from your vantage point, could this stand off that's playing out right now? could it lead to a, a humanitarian crisis in the baltics? this sort of you guys, this is ongoing to several months. and the question is,
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how can we stop it from happening? and that's why, as i said to me to try to exercise my maximum pressure. and this, for example, grew even further limiting, for example, plains getting access to the erosion s space and to acting to other organizations just to really get to government on it's nice, but you know, it's very difficult to do that. and there are so many base bellagio supported by russia. dennis will be dr. young. on the other hand, if you see what he's doing and we see all the things that are happening in the country, we shouldn't be desperate. we know that the opposition is very strong and better. rochelle certainly outside the country in the rain are falling and other countries last year. and we have to support this opposition to try to exercise maximum pressure to get rid of this month and russia. slop. are there any indications right now that president lucas shank would back down at all or be more concerned about
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the possibility of further sanctions carrying over $700.00 political prisoners and over $70000.00 people who suffer from the regime. look at shanker having very favorable economic conditions and again, increase of export by 35 percent in 2021. having russia or china supports. busy he is not likely to break down. why should he, if he's raging information trade the migration warfare. busy and he's saying that european union is not demonstrating trends and what he cares, and he's afraid of is unity and force and determination to resist these kind of behavior. so essentially involuntary, european union is kind of supporting this kind of behavior of the russian regime and the number of people. but the russians who left the country, i think they fitted half a 1000000, which definitely weekend,
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but the russian position inside the country and there is no pressure. busy inside of it, so i think that. busy the prospect changing and the regime are quite grim. it cut out there are growing calls by some e. u. member states to build border fences to build walls. do you believe that we're going to see that happening more and more? yes, we can have these roles but you know this border between boucher and love the lead way now on the 16 the dog. so it's extremely difficult to have the census as a kind of a 100 percent fence between these different countries. so i think this is not a solution. there will always be based around people are given by the business government means to cut so way these francis, again a, this is not the solution will have to think of the solution to put the maximum pressure on the government. and don't forget that are so many ways we can do what's wrong with other companies, like for example, switzerland or
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u. k. or other countries. i mean, can also be persuaded to join you and making sure that we're getting a lot of, i just want to talk for a moment about how the dynamics of migration to europe may have changed these past several years. is, is the baltic root has that become a more viable alternative for migrants? both occurred on the one hand and pole and these are 2 venues where migrate my migraines go. busy and the reason is very simple, there is no. busy physical water, no obstacle that so so it is stimulated support, this kind of delivery of people and you for that one whole according to law. they should have the right to be in the border zone. so definitely the damn location there being that definitely should be supported by the authority. so, but again, now if you want to change behavior barshan authorities,
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the best and most effective way would be to talking to 4th urge by the russian commercial partners in european union to change your location. going to begin here . we know that we've had means dialect provide years. we had like recent example of brussels, belgium company urging the brussels to change these sanctions. we have or st business, bought them the junior business part as in different areas. so there are many ways to see, in fact you to put pressure on shanker. busy behavior and to add. busy if we add also some diplomatic and other tools to dialog covered dialogue with russia and how bellows behave, that also can be the way out of the situation. because you spoke a few moments ago about the fact that you perceive what's happening right now on the border to be an actual humanitarian crisis. playing out human rights groups
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have criticize both poland and bella roost for their treatment of asylum seekers. i want to ask you about how dire the conditions are for migrants and refugees and whether or not authorities, or even ensuring medical support or providing food and shelter that are not aware of. but i think they do. but again, let's say you can, it's the easiest way, as i said already in the greek plans are probably before the easiest way to have some form of warfare is just 2 years. human beings are way to get what they want. so we just told me unjustified, and that's why you have to use all legal means to put the maximum person on the government. if they are losing human humans to get their re, humans live, to get their way done, we have to be extremely up. again, let's say the other speaker saying, but they're still so many things we can do. i know we have loans, we're spending from european investment bank to the better government. but there are also others which are still doing traits with the others. government. let's say,
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let's act on this and make sure that the government just behaved and re 2 years 5. do you foresee you being able to come to some sort of agreement, any type of agreement that would guarantee shared responsibility for migrants or asylum seekers going forward? so far, your opinion has failed to deliver on the unity of migration policy. but at the same time, we believe that under the pressure of this human karen catastrophe when you see a winter's coming and winter is much more severe. so the catastrophe probably will grow and it definitely requires opinion union to act for you to lead to support governments in poland. busy athenian life, or to kind of to deal with this you can mentor and crisis otherwise say, you know, that will be a big blow. busy to the reputation i'll repeat union as the organization that
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suspends out as a democratic free world. so definitely the reputation, the end and good will of repeating unity of state. and if your opinion cannot act in the unity to resist this crisis to neutralize that, then that would definitely further erode european union reputation in the world. 5 at a time when there is this erosion ongoing of the reputation of you. partly because of this crisis, i mean, what, from your perspective has to happen for, you know, these countries to come together to actually come up with a coherent plan to deal with this? oh, would i have the craziest idea right now? probably for many speakers are, you know, when somebody union collapsed, not when all the sanctions where the most severe butler sanctions way gone. so if you do not have any other ways. busy to put against their location to regime with
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these are the european union having in mind what kind of connection with put in get rid of sanctions altogether. there must be other ways to pursue freedom and democracy in the region and then you will not have humanitarian catastrophe. and deaths of poor refugees at the border. busy of poland beller, will send beller with so there could be this wild solution to consider. all right, well we have run out of time to we're going to have to leave our conversation there . thanks so much to our guest. yarrow slab roman shook and cut a lot and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at ha, inside story for me and how much i'm doing the whole team here, bye for now. and
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