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the you look to see where the dental, some of the 14000000 euros of 8 been provided to the community is a start. but it's only equivalent to what the affected areas produced in just one year after sunset, the glow from comp rebecca lights up the landscape yet again. and the threat of the love of becomes visible from tens of kilometers away. all alvaro can do is watch and hope his farm is spared. alexander lurch, al jazeera la palmer ah logan, i'm fully veritable. with the headlines on al jazeera haiti's, justice minister says a criminal gang is demanding $17000000.00 for the return of 17 foreign christian missionaries. the most, the american and canadian group was kidnapped as they left, an orphan, hg and a capital porto prince on saturday. oh,
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penny rocks, orders of fro. iranian factions are protesting against the result of last week's parliamentary election, resource parties linked to the prior military groove known as the popular mobilization forces saw big losses in that election. crowds in bank that have been gathering to demand a recount. dozens of people have been killed in floods in lance lives in india, 7 careless stages bracing for more after continued heavy rain. thousands of people have been moved to relief camps despite the high water levels. the government is letting water out of 3 dams to prevent them bursting. elizabeth random is in one of the worst effected districts. iraqi. she says the state government is trying to warn people, living downstream, it's releasing water. they're also emphasizing that the release of the water from the dams is being done in a staggered and in a controlled manner and catalyst minister that the state lead up to that i vision
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has said that they have increased the number of relief cam of shelters in the state 240, keeping in mind that as well as all of those people who were ready lost their homes over the past week 2002 and shelters. more might need evacuation because of the release of the water from the dams. and if those heavy rains which are projected for wednesday, do come through and health care workers in ethiopia to gray region or calling on the federal government to allow crucial supplies into mckelly. a shortage of medicine and equipment is worsening. a humanitarian crisis in the region. the un says 400000 people are experiencing famine and a further 1800000 people on the brink of it. and those are the headlines on al jazeera. i'll be back in under 30 minutes with the al jazeera and use our coming up next inside story. ah,
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nato and russia have been at all for several years and allegations of buying have now pushed that relations to a new log. moscow says is suspending its diplomatic mission to the security alliance. so are they on a collision course? this is insight story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm hashim albert, nato and russia. have lol try to keep an open channel of communication. but building trust between the 2 rivals has always been complicated that disagreed on
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a number of issues from security to intelligence gathering. a recent dispute about spying has led washer to break off diplomatic ties. earlier this month, ne, to expelled 8 members of russia, diplomatic mission to the alliance, saying they were undeclared intelligence officers. moscow denied the allegations and has now suspended its diplomatic mission altogether. russia has also recalled it's diplomats accredited to the nato. the dispute is worsening relations that have been at their lowest point since the end of the cold war, russian foreign minister, sir, gala ross, says ne 2 is not interested in co operation. nico middle, no problem, joel unique nato, is not interested in equitable dialogue and joint works. if that's the case, then we don't see the need to keep pretending that changes in the foreseeable future. possible. because nato is already stated about the impossibility of such changes. germany's fire minister high coma says brush us more will pose further
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serious strain on relations was mother alice knoxville ago. did doing his insurance for you that makes everything even tougher and things are already difficult. and recent years, germany has repeatedly pushed for dialogue with russia, where the nato, over the past years, we have often convened the nato russia council to show that we are ready for dialogue. this decision taken and moscow will further prolong the difficult situation. we are in this frosty period that's been going on for some time. and i think that especially with the nato where they are military questions and where they are security questions, that is anything but helpful. visser put a for the serious strain on the relations. several disputes, half frayed ties between day 2 and russia, and some have led to sanctions. moscow's annexation of pry me in 2014 marked a major break with nato and the west in 2018. russia was blamed for the poisoning of former double agent, so gazed cripple and his daughter in the u. k. in response natal caught the size of
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rushes, observe a delegation from 30 to 20 us intelligence agencies have accused rush of interfering in the 20162020 presidential elections. and in the past year, the poisoning and imprisonment of crumbling critic alex sane of bonnie has further south relations. russia has accused nate of interfering in its internal affairs and expanding its influence to its borders. ah, less rigging our guests in moscow. dmitri bobby's political analyst at russia devoid near a news agency in brussels, theresa fallon, director of the center for russia, europe, asia studies in such e, glendale and professor of international relations of the university of southeastern norway. welcome to the program. dimitri,
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what kind of message is russia trying to send by suspending its diplomatic mission to nato? well, motional that you're connected to the ocean. all the age arise from diplomats members or our mission that nato a few days ago. but i will get another very important because even though i'm a lawyer, austin is now touring georgia and you're great. you will also visit wayne. yes. and he promised that during his do what, ah, you said you will reassure the countries which are on the wrong line or russian mesh. and i was, this was taken very by the whole all of us while over. maybe even over 40. remember that really good. you were the soviet union. and
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d and d e r s the needle, ration for my generation. a petersburg law school. so i was, it was taking very badly. i think mr. laurel and jim. they weighed all the options . basically, natal only spelled a bit, but they also cost the number of people that we can have a process. now, the maximum, you just, people used to be 31 neighbor rock more than 20 years ago. so russia decided that just how does that make sense? so we, we better express our discussion with that, assign them as a broader instead of just keeping their, the people who could not walk properly asked mr. or ms. teresa, this is just about a tit for tat. all the russians being angry about, about the decisions made by nature recently, but according to demetria,
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this is more of a russian anxiety about what they perceive as u. s. expense, and further towards the border of russia. well i think that this is part of a long trajectory downwards. this is probably the lowest point. now we saw this beginning in 2014 with what happened with it. so i would say that this has been spiraling down. we've seen expulsions of from republic all across the central eastern europe, even the u. k. so there's been a huge expulsion of russian diplomats. the russians had never even bothered to replace the ambassador. they had their to nato. so i think that this was just kind of part for the course. it's a pity, i think it's great if they can keep communication. that's a very key issue. and also this also means that the office in moscow, which had 3 different attache there will also be closed. so this, you know, valuable channel of communication is closed. but from what i understand,
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people aren't so concerned because moscow will continue to speak to washington d. c. and not go through nato, so they'll have more of a bilateral approach. glenn, there's never been a case of an easy ride. is immune to a relationship between the, between nato and russia. it has always been a long history box, but mark my ups and downs, but what is particular above this moment? well, it's been building over time though, and i would add that the suspension of this new mission was not really that important anymore. because nato has already diminished value of this mission over a long period of time because it used to have a purpose in terms of, you know, cooperation building trust. but over the year years, nato has reduced the axis all russia to the nato headquarters in brussels than it is longer notification before they come. limited access once they're inside the headquarters. and these restrictions soon undermine the corporation to undermine tra, trust, building, and subjected the russian delegation,
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jewish emulation. so this time around nato, expelled several of from the russian delegation and thus reducing their stuff enough. and there's no indication of relations improving in the foreseeable future . so one asset question then, what's the point of keeping the mission if the mission itself undermines is on purpose? and if i can just quickly, i would also that, that nato russia council was supposed to be an instrument for diplomacy. also during difficult times, that's when you need diplomacy the most. but then the 1st time there was a conflict with the georgia war in 2000 eights, natal temporarily suspended corporation in the counsel until relation. we're back on track. so this kind of behavior from nato us continued over time and can reveal to remark that policy though in terms of the role of diplomacy. because it's not envisioned as a tool to facilitate a compromise. but rather, it's considered to be a reward if for russia's compliance. so i, i see appointment, and they go to dmitri dmitri of, you've been talking about busing,
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concern about what they perceive as a genuine american, a threat. now, many would say the same time, but that's russia's biggest problem, is that it's mind set has always been fixated around the idea of a, ne, to a you, a lodgement of the expense of the national security of russia. well, just until recently are very different. no one to fit on correctly described the current but until 2014, 2015. and then the official theory in russia was that were against naval but we welcome the you are a b and you know, 6, let me remind you that russia was against nato dick making 99. and this is actually how nato russia council came about. when mister yeltsin
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visited various, been made, no rush to relations basically this idea or in a rush, what they say she was a naval base. they are going to the check republican congress member. so all the book in the john, russia, yes, in unit is for the bible, and unfortunately it broke to be not on the exchange. i will that it'll be my wife. now. unfortunately, it was not only the west, the nato, russia council $99.00 when the west of garbage, the russia suspended all the walk, all the one for a few months or if you my okay, so unfortunately it's a very bad situation. when
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a neighbor rush there is instead will be the last last thing to do different medically it's usually the and by the tell us whenever there is a tension between the 2 and russia, you just need to look a little bit further west to the united states. of america, and see which way the wind is blowing again, this time under trump, i think there was a sense of ambiguity above, under biden, and his message about strengthen ties with nature. do you think that this is something that has emboldened nature to take an aggressive stance against russia? no, i don't think nato is taking an aggressive stance towards russia at all. and i think that the u. s. attention has been very clear on the inter pacific, especially on china. and so we saw in a recent interview with jen dalton berg. he wants to, for the new a strategy for nato, that they must look at both china and russia together, which there is
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a lot of ambivalence ambivalent about that in european capitals because people in central eastern europe just want to focus on russia. other see china rising on the horizon and so this kind of nato strategy will also include china and russia and what's quite fascinating. ready is in, over the last 3 days, we saw russia, china naval exercise in the sea of japan, almost to kind of press the message even further that the russia, china cooperation is taking place. so i think that there is concern in europe that the u. s. is focusing on china, but so they will also have to strengthen their own defense spending. and this will be difficult in a post covered 19 half economy and it will take time. there has been 30 years of really lack of spending on defense across europe. so i think that there needs to be a real clear understanding that it's not just burden sharing any more, that there's burden shifting that the europeans have to be more active in their own defense, especially in regard to russia and in issues in the mediterranean. glenn, we keep talking about the bow between russia and nato,
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and by the same time there's this idea that apparently the to fail to agree on an understanding about how to move forward. because now we're talking about georgia by the ukraine above the baltic region, about the high nordic sea regions. what is the problem? here are the lies a blurb to the point where the rushes are each time looking at every single step by day to all the u. s to say this is a red flag. yeah, well, this is kind of the main source of all our conflicts in europe. that so you know, after the cold war, well, what should a new europe look like? and we beth and, and idea of creating a europe with russia. so instead, we have made an expansion to unified the whole continent, but that effectively makes them into remission as powers. now the subsequent conflicts are there for so very predictable. all those dividers aside, is between nato and russia, or george, i, ukraine, bella was over. all of them must choose between east or west. however, the societies are very divided. so there ripped apart and to become
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a proxy conflict between the natal states and russia so. so this is really what's driving a lot of this conflict. so it's often, you know, pointed out earlier that russia maybe has a cold war mentality. but it's because, you know, the west, we maintain the cold war institutions and, you know, at least in the cold war, nato was out of scope power. but from 9 to 9, it became expansionist. and revisionist, by giving itself a mandate to use military force to governments. so it's, it's very, it is deemed the most that the greatest threaten out to rational security. and that's the reality. and that's the assumption was to russians are working on, which is also why they need this partnership with china is so important, not they can shield themselves from the sanctions. they don't really need then made an 8th when the more there. and this biggest project to have now is, you know, effectively giving on integrating with europe. and is that just going east in what they're calling great to redo rachelle because and that's one china because it's
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geo politics is all about assumptions and perceptions and committed for this particular reason. i would like to ask you this question about because from a russian perspective or was his concern about military expansion of nato. but others would tell you at the same time that russia's biggest problem, it is just not willing to see political before further moving towards its board, because that would be the biggest challenge facing the russian establishment. ah, well, i don't think so because you russians really feel jealous of radiance, you know, with their friends who se transpired have money in the duration. know, right. have a lot of you bring in the organs with their friends and jail, you know, be used or well we're going to j watson, georgia or what mr. saca. our. i mean show me the so call
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example the so old. you know, you be worried, you or any government also union. you know me a country that will be much i did and i know and talking about what you just mentioned in different position with progress. and let me remind you of the figures . oh, did you research found out that rushes you found it is just thank you or percent or what nato is? european allies stand on their defense. so europe is 4 times stronger, and they're like state budget is when get at least well the rush and so i think is just and the bulk of all russian aggression against the county is the army is 14 times stronger than ours. the same with china, if you look at the us progressive, the procedure, of course, is much greater than chance. and of course,
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russia and china cooperated for a very simple reason. because need to mention both russia and china. any not just the read read the reason of your numbers, which are ok though you message is contain roger and the strong, the joke, tara, is not the useful question. ok. theresa. if nature itself was established to can, to and what was perceived as a genuine threat by the soviet union. things have dramatically changed over the last few decades to the point where people are saying, you know, what, perhaps the problem was, nature was, should rebrand itself. and understand that this is a new world order, and you don't need just to keep using the mantra of russia as being a geopolitical threat. well, i think people really should examine what nato stands for. now. i mean, we have many partners that are in asia, some of the biggest contributors, japan,
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south korea, australia, they're all partners of nato. so we are living in a geopolitical era. and this idea that only problems in this region on the continent, i think with cyber warfare, hybrid warfare, dissemination of disinformation, the world it's, it's much smaller and it's a geopolitical. we need more geopolitical thinking in europe. i looked at the se in address of the head of the european commission, which said that she would make it a european geopolitical commission. and it's not. i mean, she mentioned joe politics once, and that was in regard to coven. so i think there's a real lack of looking at the bigger picture and you geo politics. and the more that russia and china coordinate and work together, the more europeans really have to see that russia and china are in the same basket . and i think that with the next nato strategy, we're going to really see that just oldenburg has been hinting very loudly that
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this is what's going to be in it. and after the, when president biden was in brussels and they had signed the news, nato communicate and became quite clear that china, which was only mentioned once before, appeared many, many times are documents a link which has given many people an indication that this could perhaps be dominance of the agenda of the doctrine of nato, for the, for, for the years to come back, glen are the same time if nato some time was saying that terrorism is a biggest threat to global security, shift to that towards cybersecurity. and is this near ro, an indication that there is a reset in nato russia relation to the point where russia will still top the priority as the biggest geopolitical threat or challenge for nato? well, well, it depends because nato consists of many states and i agree with my colleague then brussels referred earlier that he said that these countries have different
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interests. so, and the baltic states, poland, they will remain very anti russian. and they will want to make sure that the nato keeps this mission. and meanwhile, the united states would like to focus more on china. and so, so it, it really, it depends. but i also think that there might be some shift in thinking because yes, it said that you that's are yeah, that you, well sorry, the europeans are not becoming more aware that russia and china are kind of in the same basket. other corporate in closer and closer, not just military by the way, but you know, technology is trade core, those financial mechanisms. so i think, but at the same time, i think there's also many recognizing specially france and germany, that it's made those own aggressive policies towards russia, which has, which is causing russia to align itself closer and closer with china as well. so i guess, you know, sometimes you have to recognize there's a security dilemma and sometimes less it's more, i don't think the problem made or is that the being to soften rush. i think there's
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never been an actual policy for how russia can fit into europe. just as a very quick notes on how do you official the u. s. actually like a single doesn't want gusto, a single partner in the whole world. i mean, if rush us to close to germany's problem, if they're too close to turkey is a problem. they don't like them being too close to iran, central asia, china, japan. i mean, there's not really a single partner, russia in the world, which to us would not like to split up a little bit. so this is not the stable world order limit this before was a different it angled here, mid to what does it mean, full issues like i've got a stamp for example, which is now becoming a big story and or syria. if you have the russians and nato not all the same page, this could have a huge rectification on those particular issues. well, not a good will, will come from days. sure about this. unfortunately,
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there was no searching the may do about that. i mean, mississauga recently gave an ink, you know, the spanish paper and he didn't say that was refreshed. regret, read this is just, that would be, that was right. we defend the west wall and force them to program will only do so good. the ration between russia and the west, and i know, you know, i have been working in the years. so i know the process, the, just a ration united states and nato, when they ended up with all the rush and how the system was defeated by and they're going to be and the, and the ross. and i will not know why they're not just they just need rock and say that will do everything. also the same thing with syria,
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i'm sure that the several by russia, joe, you're wrong. and the worth, the regional have been play a bigger political role in those regions. now, theresa, when it comes to us threats, perceptions. now with china testing the hypersonic weapon is, is something which is going to lead to a new focus on china as perhaps the biggest challenge facing later in the us in the upcoming years. i think that's clear that they have been saying this for quite some time. the china is the biggest challenge. russia should be worried about china's weapon systems, because china is not part of any sort of non proliferation agreement whatsoever. and they share a huge border. so although russia and china cooperate, it's a marriage of convenience. there are also tensions in that relationship. i mean, right now they're not talking about it, but china has felt that russia took advantage of them in the past and took over and siberian territory. so there are boundary issues with russia and china. there are
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many other issues that they have problems with, and what we're seeing now in bell roost is kind of a barometer of really what's going on, because china belton wrote initiative, the rel link would go to bell beller ruse. and that's about 85 percent of the rail trade that they've been pushing through to europe and because of russian actions. ruth, this is kind of causing problems for the chinese and they're supposed to have this, you know, frenemy relationship. but we're seeing that it will be more difficult for china to send rel cars through bell ruse because of kind of what is happening. thank you. between i wish i wish i have time was so that we can continue this interesting debate about russia ne, 2 and the ever changing political and you political landscape for the time being mitre babbage, theresa fallon, glenn, decent. i really appreciate units. i thank you. looking forward to talking to you in the near future and thank you for watching. you can see the program again anytime by visiting our website. a 0 dot com for further discussion. go to our
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