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painting by the british, st artist banks, which became famous for shredding itself. so for a record amount in london, and selling latest instead of a new world record, the bank, faith lovers in a been copious as we heard, love is in the been so for 21900000 dollars when it went to under the hammer at sotheby's auction house, the piece was previously titled girls with balloon. and so for $1300000.00 in 2018 before immediately self destructing in a paper shredder thursday's winning, better spent vastly over the guides price of about $8000000.00. ah, a reminder now of the top stories allowed djj a 0, at least 6 people have been killed and many others injured in the worst street violence seen in the lebanese capital for more than
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a decade. protest for testers were targeted by unidentified snipers, positioned in buildings. crowds aligned that with sheer political parties were protesting, accusing a judge of bias in his investigation into the bay route port blast last year that the city was rocked by gunfire for about 4 hours and rocket propelled grenades were fired. lebrans president michelle own says the perpetrators will be brought to justice alone, nor usually thought the we will never allow anyone to hijack the country of what has happened today will be followed on both levels of the judiciary and security and investigations were routes for the yellow and the tooth, and the facts among those perpetrators will be taken to the court, the investigation of the boot port, bluffton continued, because it's a commitment towards the lebanese people and towards the international community law. based on the independence of the judiciary,
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your arm is either norway's intelligence agency says a bowen barrow attack that left 5 people dead appears to have been an act of terrorism to others were injured in the worst violence in the country. in a decade, the attack happened in the town of congo berg, which is southwest of the capital as low as 37 year old danish man has been arrested for members of egypt. security forces are on trial in absentia in rome. for the kidnapping and murder of an italian academic julia ridge and his body was found in a ditch outside cairo. in 2016, the 4 agents deny any involvement. i level taliban delegation is in turkey, as a continues a diplomatic push for support and recognition. after taking over afghanistan, they've met the turkish foreign minister in on come in a day earlier and talks and catherine. the group appealed to us and european officials, the end afghanistan's isolation. those are the top stories coming up next. they,
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it's the story. ah ah, i us and the okay to day on the street, we are looking at stall power, addison equity activism. i know you have seen them high profile with global ambassadors, representing charities and yos around the world, global spokespeople who also happened to be very famous, raising awareness on important causes. who was a really helping him, what impact are they having? those are 2 questions to start you off in id chief chat,
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a comment section open. do join in and be part of today's discussion. let me introduce you to our panel. it's a good one, lisa, to me. i shall. hello, welcome to the stream. i'll come back to the stream for some of you really good to have you, lisa introduce yourself to our global audience and tell them what you're bringing to the table today. i thank you very much. my name is lisa and richie. i'm a professor of globalization at the copenhagen business school. and i'm here today because i work on commodified compassion. and i'm the co author of a book which has just been published by university of minnesota. pressed together is alexandra booted in called batman saves the congo. how celebrities, who disrupting the politics of development, get to have a lease. so we're going to take a little bit into some of your findings later on in the show cou, me, welcome back to the stream. introduce yourself. remind our audience who you are, what you do. thank you for me. i'm currently the global investor, the african sizing for justice, speech and dignity,
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a pan african social movement. and i'm a visiting fellow at the bosh academy in berlin. at the moment. i get to have you by the way, just to be clear on the spanish gender balance. yeah, thank you. thank you for bringing your social justice activism to us and also providing gender balance. and finally, i shall welcome to the stream. tell everybody who you are, what you think. hi everyone. so i'm, i'm a pakistani american who has been spending the last 20 years fighting for the rights and dignity of the women who make a clothes mostly happen to be women of color. i currently serve as see or we make, we are an advocacy organization based in california. lisa had he guess i'm going to start with something that caught my eye just recently. i was watching global citizen life, which is a huge global cult set that went from one city to another city around the world, raising awareness, raising money activism that was very accessible. and i notice at the end
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of the new york lag, the ceo and co found of global citizen was all state his name is hugh evans. and then you see him in central park and just listen to what the audience begins to shout out as he presents his message of we need to take action. have a listen, have a look. ah, in 2005. when nelson mandela launched the campaign to make poverty history, he said that overcoming poverty is not a gesture of charity. but it's an act of justice. he said, poverty is not natural. it is man made and can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. charity alone as important as it is and it is important will never be sufficient to end extreme poverty or tackle
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climate change the crowd a yelling out, cold play co play. they want the next act to come on state. they don't really care that much about taking action. her said, wow lisa, you start. yeah, yeah. wow. i think that this is one of those really good moments which explains why it is that maybe this isn't the best way about getting audiences engaged in global justice movements. because when nelson mandela was talking about why we really shouldn't have poverty, he was also talking about that the human beings creat poverty with their choices. and it's really hard for us to actually accept that it's hard to get people sort of to get on to that message. and so probably they just wanted to do something fun and listen to call play. i think that's where it's really challenging to try to mit club, celebrity activism and entertainment. i sure. you know,
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i would say it really depends on who the celebrity is and whether or not they are really using that platform for good. you know, we all remember the cringe where the candle, general pepsi commercial right, where she was pending the pepsi to the protest from the protesters to the lease. in order to you know, this is a way for us to come together. and we all just left them. i think they, you know, get york modify the blacklight matter movement. this is terrible. and so that's an example of a fail, right. but we're just coming off of victory, the government work of protection act here in california, which assured government workers make a minimum wage. and we had some incredibly thoughtful celebrities, supermodel amber of a leather actress. robin wright, who lent her support to our campaign. and i have to tell you that was critical in our when it helped us galvanized more citizens. it helped us reach policy makers. so i would say really depends, you know,
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this blanket statement of celebrity should never get involved. frankly, for us, we sometimes need the power of liberties change cultural narrative. yeah. can i just jump in? it's amazing that robin wright was doing that work for you because, you know, some of the interviews that i did with humanitarian and development workers, can shop the democratic republic of congo. actually some of them pointed to her in particular because she has this organization where she sells like $200.00 us dollar pajamas for, for women in eastern congo called per list him. and what one of the mentoring workers actually said, we have a quote in our books. basically, you know, that robin wright made a big deal out of something. she knows absolutely nothing about. actually if she came here to the congo, she'd probably get stowed. to me, way in well i was moved by the example because i was the chair of that global make poverty campaign which was called the global cause action against poverty. and
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i, together with nelson mandela last launched that campaign in london in japan square nearly genuity. and let me just tell you our perspective in engaging with celebrities. it was based on what i shall basically said, which is that we have a media environment that is stacked against us. it is so difficult for us to get our narratives into the mainstream media. however, they are, as lisa points out, civil lifting bogged. and i think it's a question of finding the right balance between how we actually engage and what kind of sort of parameters we put to it. because the term that we used, by the way, in 2005 because we had challenges in the way that celebrities engage with us an impact that time we would say we need to be gaudy against a problem up celebrex to see and celebrate the see the domination of public space by celebrities. on the other hand though, let's be clear,
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we got a method communication challenge. how do we get our message across to the largest number of people in the short space of time? and whether we like it or not, celebrities add excess to public opinion and are able to shift people. but then we don't want situations where for example, a company is supporting l g b t i q issues. i'm so glad you said that to me. but i'm, if you read our mind here on the screen to finish up, we'll go him to this, but then ah, producing those sort of the coding and the branding and so on washing where did the i q people are murdered and killed for their choice of sexual orientation. so while we can't be black and white about this,
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i think we need to put some clear guidelines that, that you lead to or guide how celebrities engage. yes. if i may just intervene just just one moment i should because i'm, i'm just going to bring in a point that the cou me race. and i wanna introduce into the conversation. david bishop, he talks about rainbow washing in june. the month of june is as pride run around the world and how companies lean on it and say, yes, we celebrate bride. we support pry, but then that actual policies do not. this is what david had to say about that. i'm a very fortunate person. i've been lucky and blessed enough to be very successful in ways that i've always wanted as an actor, writer, director, so on. when i got to a point where i felt like i'm living, vacuous, with id or some goal, i didn't know what my values, what i was contributing to while i was reading about the miles in washington.
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as you said, some $300000.00 das and there are dwarfed only by the $5000000.00 . i mean, that's an unimaginable. how could this happen? how do i know what is never where we do it? as you can tell, that was no david bishop, that was a animation of ben affleck with get to came in just a moment. here as promise is david bishop. i think that there's a lot of people that are not interested in the rainbow watching in the corporate reason. i'll to be to you people, you know, cuz they will rainbow in june and then, you know, get hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars to organizations that you know, want to distribute right away. so i think a lot of people are over there. so where we find ourselves right now is in
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a place where celebrities look for cause is not all of them where they can be connected together. so they use their platform and then they can help amplify a cause. is there anything wrong with that? he said, yeah, well i think it's really important that we understand that it's not that celebrities just look for causes like that, that there is an entire industry that's developed in terms of celebrity liaison officers. the work of my colleague done rocking turn actually includes a lot of interviews with these, these folks who work in the industry, whose entire job is to match large corporate in cios together with celebrities. and to get the right fit and it's extreme, it's extremely scientific. you know, you don't just go out and support the cause that you happen to like been athletes a great example, but i know we'll get to it later. this is, this is a strategy, it's a business strategy, friends. and it's about, you know, mixing up the kinds of things where people really want to do good and managing, to modify their compassion,
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managing to profit from it without giving any of the profits that you make from that to the rightful shareholders. who are actually, you know, the supposed beneficiaries of the people who are supposed to be helped a couple of thoughts here on twitter. then i shall go to you of the back of, of these tweets hg forest says, what's happening right now with celebrity activism? it's gentrifying the issue then commercializing it. the impact is an issue. publicity is relative to its profitability. so they gotta be some cause is there as a that a sexier than others. get a lot of attention and then others that do not. this is tim die tend. i says that a, as, as in bob, we and social justice activists. i view this new trend as demeaning and trivializing gen your genuine causes. i should go ahead you know, i think at the end of the day if celebrity activism is focused on telling more staff, it's essentially doing more harm than good enter barren. i think, like the conflict cried when you think about as q. i as so much of the
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commodification is around lands wanted to just pump out products. and so celebrities to lend a name to, to make more money. and that's where i think it becomes very dangerous. right. it's a big yeah. i think similarly, we don't remember when nike, you know, that kept the nick was going to be the person in america like in to camps. right. there was, those were like, oh my god, because of this, we never going to buy nike and then folks were like, now we're going to buy nike and i think the shares started storing the thing. nike has a history of preying on black and brown communities, not just to sell their products, but also how their product is made. and so similar to cultural appropriation, when you've got liberties endorsed, being or giving their message to a big brand, that clearly a poor creating a social movement for clever advertising. that's very problematic. i think that sort of shallow marketing and commodification of social movements is what we need to stay away from. but the earlier example that i gave you, which was a worker,
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lead piece of legislation, where the front line work, a community that the ones that demanded the living. and then you had celebrities with back check data using that platform to support. that sort of similarity is really critical. and so i think the win win here is when influencer and celebrities are allies to campaigns that are really rooted in solutions for the community. the professor help to me go ahead. well, i think the biggest problem, the biggest disease we have in the world right now is not covered, but a disease that we could call affluenza, affluenza. pathological is where people have been led to believe that a good decent lights come some more and more material acquisition. so let me just be very clear. i believe celebrities are human beings. they are citizens right of the work. they have a right to participate in public life as anybody else s. however,
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when they use that relationship to tell product to make profit and to abuse that relationship, that's when in fact the violation of that right, that's happening. so i have no illusions in my mind that right now things are packed against us in terms of us being able to get our message to the largest number of people in the shortest space of time when the faintest fellow that we've got listen to me is to get emissions to peak and stop coming down and way. in fact, this decade that we live in, which is i would argue the most consequential decade in humanities history. and what we achieve in the next 10 years will determine what kind of future we have or whether we have a future or when we, when the stakes are that i, i think it is appropriate plus recognise that we are never going to be able to pass in the politics that is going to be perfect and idealistic we're going to have to
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make some sort of i don't want to use a word compromise with the some sort of adjustments in i was strategy, compromise. compromises the right word. yeah. yeah, that's the right. provides compromise is a difficult would for activism. let me just say why? because you cannot compromise on values. you cannot compromise on the rights that people have to choose the own sexual orientation of women to have equality and so on, right? so, so what i'm saying is that when provided we are not sacrificing principles, right? if we look sacrificing principles, tactical adjustments that we need to make from time to time. i think given the realities that we are dealing with, what many call a white stream media, i'm talking here from the global out perspective and, and we in fact quite often the media. busy and vitamin is not talking about the
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issues, i mean, think about the climate stuff shrank. call me back between tick tock and, and it's so hard for us to cut through the noise in garner attention. and so we keep what, you know, we're here to influence the multi trillion dollar industry, the company, not billions of dollars products. and for young girls, they look, get celebrities and influences perpetually buy stuff. so we can get married and get some thought a little bit about our cars. why not? well, absolutely, but, but i completely agree with, with what you're saying. but i also think we should remember celebrities or the oligarchy of the attention economy. ok. they, as you both pointed out, really take it all, but the politics that they bring forth is this politics of authenticity of oh, how much we? well, meaning often white people in the western parts of the world care about a particular cause and not about another me, lisa cannot cut and i can, i would say, i think you're, i want to push in
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a particular field. i want to put in a particular death i went to because we, we saw been affect explaining how he wanted to be involved in the east and congo because he read something and he had the money and he wanted to do something . lease is, i'm just gonna push you in that direction because now that i've shown everybody the admiration, i want it to ring us full circle and explain what the challenge is when a celebrity says, i care about this. i've read about a, here's my money and, and i'm super famous. what a day. yeah. what do you think? yeah, absolutely. and that kind of genesis story about how much we carries exactly the politics i was talking to you about these politics of authenticity not accountability. ok. what we actually know from the research that we've done over years on the organization and ben affleck involvement and the democratic republic congo is he didn't wake up one morning and read the newspaper and find out how terrible things were, and the democratic republic of congo. ok, in 2006,
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he hired one of the world's best and most successful strategic consultancy firms. he interviewed a number of experts including people that we also interviewed to try to find him a good cause. and of course, he couldn't have south today because george lee had already taken that oprah already had south africa completely. you know, under route, i mean basically he would call shopping as celebrities do it, that level. and he hired an extremely successful firm. it was about a business model, and then they wrote a really important story which is very compelling. and i have no reason to believe that ben affleck doesn't care about eastern congo. why would we think he's not a human being like the rest of us who's also been by, by the tragedy, difficulties and in the world, yet to convince ourselves that just because he carries that, makes his authority to speak on behalf of the congo. these people is something that's a real problem. there were already plenty of organizations working for the eastern congo, including those read by congo lease. and we have statistics to show that unless
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those organizations had guerrillas, or very horrific stories of sexual violence or a celebrity, they got almost no funding. and looking at the looking at the budget differences over a 5 year period is incredible. guess i want to play to videos for you and to get your instant reaction. catherine clay, he spoke to us a little bit earlier. she's a ph. d candidate. as alondra, school of economics of political science. he was wrestling with this whole concept of celebrity activism. are they helping or hurting him? even a celebrity bring to the table of social justice is disability. and of course it's important not to miss recognize that there's ability as actual social change at the same time. however, i think it's also important not to be to automatically just listen to celebrities, to speak out about social justice courses. not because celebrity should be the front of us social justice movements, they shouldn't. and i think it's obvious to most people that they shouldn't. but because the way that we tend to dismiss celebrities by accusing them of that she
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sent me away or called chasing, or being otherwise self interested. these are the exact same allegations that we then see far, right groups and all over aggressive political projects. re purposing against people involved insertion, justice. well, they're celebrities or not. so yes, skepticism is essential, but we can be skeptical in a way that doesn't contribute to our rhetoric that tries to break progresses already or so it's such a gray area until you really is the address that in the last 25 minutes. and i sure lisa, let me show you everybody, guests and, and also our audience colleague night on twitter. this is him active, a speaking truth to power, continuing to flight right at the justice. all right, that's can me a real life proper activist from when he was a teenager. and then we have the activists. the cbs network, special i show is holding ahead. she's, i faced paulding. this is a terrible idea. according to my, to population, the i day was that you voted on the activists of your choice. it was game of flying
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activism. it got such a horrific reaction that they've now turned into a documentary about activism, or give us a leaning end to see how that's going to turn out. but when we spoke to adam a little bit earlier, he said, well, this is just the natural progression of how a combo defying celebrity and activism here is adam and then kimmy and me to react on the back of the display briefly. as far as the show like the active best, i was not particularly offended by it. in fact, that was actually weirdly excited for it because i thought it actually demystified the essential nature of what activism is in a late capital estate. it was showing us very clearly that activism interest, another form of branding, of marketing. it poses no threat to the existing relations of the capital estate.
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and at this point in cap in the development of our economy, i don't even think activism can overcome short term contradictions. or even really achieve policy goals. well, danger lies the clarity that if you are going to be using your visibility to continue to bounce an unjust economic system, right and push over consumption, then you've lost the plot, right, oliver. i am persuaded by this reality that if we need to be yeah, in terms of how many people we mobilized, how much of consciousness there is, how many people understand that we are losing, but the planet to be losing the right of humanity to exist on this plan as a result of climate. then we have to embrace at range of energies
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that can help us communicate. so i would make an appeal to people who are celebrities. you have a role to play as human beings as citizens like any one of us. you cannot imagine that every not been in bob. it's all suddenly you are the leader of some social movement. can you to use it to support people, ensure that you are not over exercising your influence and presence and take your leadership from movements. there is a problem with the appear amount of celebrities getting ahead of move them image a see that i went up? yeah. well of african refugees. thank you. to me. i thank you kimmy. thank you lisa . thank you. i shall, we can obviously talk about celebrities and activism all day long, but i don't have all day long. thank you so much for your tweets and your youtube thoughts as well. i'm gonna leave you with a song that was reading a name 1985 by michael jackson and learn will richie. it was the biggest charity record ever. it has gone at a $163000000.00 more than that. the charity i will leave you with. we are the
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well, thanks for watching everybody. ah . with ah, canada is approaching a tipping point in the lead up to the cop 26 climate summit. al jazeera showcases programs dedicated to one veiling the realities, but the climate emergency witnesses green's films documenting the human experience
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a better life can lead them into trouble breathing tough conditions. gambling with them, they'll put their lives in danger just to hurt them risky needle. when elders, we understand the differences and similarities of cultures across the world. so no matter what you see when using kind of calls that matter to you, ah, hello, i'm barbara sarah in london. these are the top stories on al jazeera. at least 6 people have been killed and many others injured in the worst us street violence. a scene in the lebanese capital for more than a decade. professors were targeted by unidentified snipers, positioned, and buildings crowds aligned with shia political parties were protesting, accusing
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a judge of bias in his investigation into the bay route to port explosion. last year, gunfire continued for about 4 hours.

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