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that many people recognize that, you know, people are wearing these holly halloween costumes. and yet the, the actual premise in the background is no harsh reality than yoke capitalism, neo liberal capitalism created the one that is about, you know, cutthroat competition. so the 2 things jiving together, i think, made it accessible to many people who resonate with some of the present day, you know, kind of threats and intense kind of forms of competition that they have ventured into. ah, and let's take you through some of the headlines here, al jazeera now and afghan taliban delegation is visiting turkey for talks. after meeting u. s. and e. u and voice in cutter. there on a push for recognition and support has concerns grow about the humanitarian and
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economic crisis in afghanistan or so sort of them has more from a stumble. recently are prison. everyone has, could it size the formation the type of the formation of the taliban government of and not being inclusive enough, including did the other minorities in afghanistan, other religious and ethnic minorities in afghanistan and so on. so i said, yes, press these concerns about that. and as you said, the taliban must include all of the, the source of the segments of the society in to the government to be an exclusive and an inclusive one. so in that sense, trek is going to put the pressure on tele, about to be more inclusive. 5 people have been killed in the bow and arrow attacking the norwegian town of congress berg suspect has been arrested. police are investigating whether it was an act of terrorism. russia's president is denying his country's behind in energy shortage in europe saying moscow is standing by to help
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natural gas prices of skyrocketed. the ear says people will need supporters, winter approaches. at least 14 people have been killed in a fire in a southern city in taiwan thought. he's an investigation by the fire. in a 15 story building and cow shown the started deliberately, japan, new prime ministers, dissolved below house of parliament ahead of elections at the end of the month. from you can see that says he's seeking a mandate for his policy. georgia is opposition expected to hold a rally later to protest against the imprisonment of former president mikayla's cache billy. the government says he illegally entered the country from exile. akash really now faces 6 years in prison on vacations of abuse of power. why that office does the headlines thing is, continues, and i'll just, you know, off the inside story. ah, how many nukes is too many nukes america has in many ways driven the arms race for
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parties are much more like the british boys. now today, there are fewer regulations to own a tiger than there are its own as are how can this be happening? we take on us politics and society and that's the bottom line. breaks it troubles escalate between the u. k and b, e u. both sides agree. customs checks in northern islands simply aren't working, but they don't agree on the solution. is this a dispute about trade or politics and could it risk the peace in northern ireland? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program today with me, pete adobe. now when the u. k, left the european union, both sides agreed to a set of trade rules known as the northern island protocol. goods from britain,
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a checked at ports in northern island. the province remains in the e u single market. so trade can move freely across its land border with the republic of ireland. but nearly 2 years after breakfast, the u. k says that arrangement is not working. the government wants a new deal and it doesn't want the european court of justice as agreed on the bricks. it to have oversight of the protocol. the e you is offering to remove some customs checks, but is calling for compromise to will bring in our guests in just a moment. first, this report from andrew simmons in belfast. as the u. k is breakfast minister prepared to speak in portugal, karen sloane was taking a delivery from the irish republic. it's his main supply line now and without it. his delicatessen in northern ireland would be out of business. his main suppliers used to be in the u. k. but the trade board, we're in the irish c means he can't rely on them any more. karen had been hoping
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the you was about to smooth things out with concessions over regulations on food exported from the u. k. and streamlined custom checks. but the way the british government is now behaving leaves karen and business people all over northern ireland in doubt. how much is the lack of it until now he, along with many others, never realize the role of the european court of justice was an issue in the post bricks at crisis here. no, i was thinking about as bracket and you know, protocol and this is all you hear and um, you know, and all and your to so as a something new. another thing to worry about, you know, i were caught damm harness business la, you know, for the keeper gone, your left hand, he can angry with the politicians because they need to coordinate the need to do something about the city, the smooth hazard, the facts on the ground there's nothing smooth in what the you case breaks it minister has to say he wants to rewrite the northern ireland protocol and the device used to avoid a hard border on the island of ireland. and we now face is very serious situation. the preschool is not working,
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is completely lost consent in one community. nolan's now proposal looks more like a normal treaty in ways governs with international arbitration. instead of a system of the law ultimately policed in the courts of one of the parties. the european court justice, there's puzzlement in belfast on why the u. k. is taking such a hard line when there seemed to be more hope of a compromise from brussels. and so his, this last minute posturing on the part of the u. k. government, if it isn't, then there's a serious escalation to this crisis ahead. this at a time when it will appear, the majority of people in northern ireland want an end to their stand off. protests about the c border had been led by unionists who say that been cut off from the u. k. before becoming prime minister boris johnson had told a democratic unionist party 3 years ago that he didn't want to see in all marlyn left in the lurch by borderless sea. no british conservative government could or should sign up to any such arrangement. that assurance fell by the wayside. the
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people who don't ireland could be forgiven for feeding, but frayed and while eunice politicians welcome the hard line from the british government. there's a feeling of unease for many people living here. andrew simmons al jazeera belfast . ah. okay, let's bring in our guests today joining us from belfast, o. unready, assistant general, secretary of the irish congress, a trade unions in brussels. we have nicholas white, senior director in brussels for co, worldwide. that's a global public affairs and strategic communications consultancy. and in cambridge, in the u. k, we have gram gudgusten research associate at the university of cambridge and formerly a special adviser to the former 1st minister of northern ireland. david trimble. gentlemen, welcome to all graham in cambridge coming to 1st the e. u is offering some tweaks, some changes here for the d u p. why isn't that enough?
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oh, we don't know yet. we're going to look at the full prints. it does look as if it was made a significant effort to ease the situation, cut down the number of checks on goods going in from great britain to know what the internal customer trade in within the u. k. which obviously is very uncomfortable for you because it makes no bottom to feel like a semi can touch out of the of the united kingdom. so my guess is it probably won't be enough, but we should recognize, i think we'll be moving in right, right direction next. that's why in brussels, why should you law have primacy in northern ireland? because this is what the british agreed to when the bridge agreement was 1st place . it's very difficult sitting brussels to avoid the impression. the point of what's
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going on here isn't actually reaching a particular solution. the point is to continue fighting because this goes down well with british rogers. there was no problem as you report frankly said with the european court of justice as part of the north alarm system is now operating. there's been no involvement actually of the. ready course of justice so far, this is a, there's an inventive invention problem. and we're seeing now that there's some very generous movement by the you, which is to be now stations day has already been previous, counted by a british government, who are something more interested in having a functioning solution. can i contextualize that question nicholas and ask you it again though, why should the european court of justice are primacy in northern ireland? because the e. c. j doesn't have privacy and wales or scotland, the u. k. left the european union? why not just say okay, well the e c, j has primacy in brazil or canada, or australia simply wouldn't fly. well, i mean,
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you may also notice that there is actually a land border between the republic of ireland, which remains in europe in which is inside united kingdom on the island. and in order to keep that order open, well has to make certain concessions, certain arrangements to do with regulation. and the u. k. knowing full well was it was doing agrees that the european court of justice should have that should have a supervisory vote on this. otherwise, you have to invent an entirely new arbitration system from scratch, which actually wants to will that much work because there isn't all that much to do to things in bigger tracy's, which that you have with larger countries. like, as you mentioned, brazil or you credit for that matter, you do set up standalone arbitration now because it's a lot of work to be done. this isn't a case like this is a case where we're looking at the continued application you law in cherish really. where is it always out until that under looking at how that should be managed? why on earth should you invention? you arbitration system rather than the body which already overseas the
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implementation of the regulations. ready it doesn't make any sense. so. oh, in reading in belfast, what's this debate so far done to your members when it comes to jobs when it comes to production levels? and if it goes south and they implement so called article 16 because everyone can walk away from this unit. actually if they choose to, what would that do to a business across the border? well, thanks peter. 100. yes. because up, see, we're still in this political impasse, but anything that adds to uncertainty, anything that adds to the cost of doing business has the potential to not only just undermine the standards of labor, but undermine the custody of jobs to be maintained. and you know, obviously the biggest concern is the huge political instability that this political impasse is continuing to create. and it seems to us as an organization that represents workers from both traditions and migrant workers. that what we really
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need now is political consensus. it seems to me that in the summer months you can go look for concessions from the ian. it seems this afternoon and are going to be deliver. and that must create the context for a negotiation. and we really need see diplomacy, negotiation and good faith restored to international relations here. and if you can tell me how some way to go to get to that place, go to an in cambridge, how much of the motivation for this as far as boris johnson's government in london is concerned actually comes down to him. clearly wanting to safeguard the good friday agreement because if he does that, that plays well to his breaks it hard liners in his own party that plays well to the 52 percent of the british electorate who voted for breakfast. it, i, it's good politics. well, he's always gone to the bank to protect the good friday agreement, international trade. it's important component not only for the u. k,
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but for the violence usa. and, and heather's the thing to say about this is the new service for forest johnson. very few people in great britain in the majority of like 8 percent of the u. k, which is outside and don't really care all that much about this. he's not going to say that he is doing this actually sensitivity and morality. but i think to be fair, we can also say that he had promised to unions of wasn't people saying he's trying to retain that position. great. the protocol 2 years ago when he got in a very weak position, it's agreement, negotiated, agreed at the time, a weakness is not working, it's opposed biological. and you know, and it's time to change it. they might, it's in the interest of you to change this,
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this is a source of that could go on to the fact all further relationships between the you can be you now is the time to sort it out for everyone satisfaction. and michael, it's a big company. so nicholas white and brussels, he was shaking your head there as graham was talking about boris johnson and morality in the same sentence. unfreeze i was, you know, i still see you perfectly well what you say to you. so he said that this was ready to abuse and he won an election on the basis of this year, which he is now attempting to refuses. i don't see anything chevy moral. ready or ethical about o in radian, belfast. you allowed yourself arise, smile. there is anyone in the room really surprised the poorest johnson might be considering doing a complete you turn on this, if you believe dominant cummings, formerly a very close source of information cheek by jowl with boris johnston and number 10 until he handled his involvement with corona virus wrongly and then had to be got
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rid of it in, in a very delayed way, i guess. but he's basically saying in the daily mail today for his johnson was always going to do a u. e on this. i don't think anyone was surprised and i would agree entirely. that was the only thing that's really been consistent during the bars. johnson regime is there in consistency. i mean not so long ago. ready david frost was extolling the virtues of this agreement, the very agreement he negotiated. now he's trans dishonest. i mean, if a, if a junior training and official behave that way after negotiating the green employ last very long. so, you know, there are issues with the protocol and it's a result of the hard branch of the, the sparse johnson government sauce, and assisted upon so union of highlighted some very legitimate concerns. they need to be taken on board and i think of the context of what the are going to deliver today. they will be taken on board and what we really need to see in our voices in northern ireland involves this because this is an issue that can be done to the
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people of northern don't with us. i think the u. k. government and the need to engage with civic society, the political clash flyers trade unions right across the board in order to make sure that the issues with the protocol are address so that we can all move forward because you are right to say the belfast friday agreement. has been undermined by branches and the by the protocol to tell the relations are crucial. i think we can only restore that voices and right across the piece that wants to build a consensus on aren't interested in division and rancor, but actually wants to bring people together. are headed under center stage. nicholas white and brussels. you've gone from shaking your head to nodding in agreement there. when the e u is talking about to tallahassee, and it's also signaling quotes creative solutions. what might those solutions be? i mean, this is going to come down to technical fixes for the customs administration. ready which i'm not that familiar with, i understand it will require actual functional data bases,
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commercial transactions and access to those databases from both sides. but i also want to pick up another important point, which is the consultation with norton arm stakeholders, both electors and from civil society. they use proposals today or how they are going to include a certain level of concentration, which has so far beyond the process is would it be nice to hurt dental? so from the workforce yesterday, let's go back to go and go to the cambridge green. can the d u p live with a de facto irish northern island border down the irish sea between the island of island and the british isles? no. com because it's separate from the rest of the u. k. as, as you will know, an ongoing campaign by a nationalist island back by the republic of ireland to achieve in the long run the united ireland, the majority in north island. absolutely. what can we completely want an apology?
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i received your step or 2 in the direction before it's $22.00 unit and it will be it will be a post and therefore it's undermining the providing payment. and the protocol itself says to support the private agreement, it's absolutely posing serious social disruption. no. have central to, to do that, and this, this needs to be sorted out. it needs to be sorted out so that the majority of both communities in northern ireland see this, you know, some, something has satisfaction. i think almost everyone agrees that the single market has to be protected, but they have to be some, some means of a stopping illegal goods getting into the republic about where there are other ways of doing that such a crack and not. and it needs to be needs to be simplified and reformed.
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i will say tomorrow when the paper it's published. it's her father coming to nicholas white and brussels. coming back to you, this e, you olive branch that we seem to be discussing now seems to be as well, annoying the french. is there a genuine source of annoyance there specifically with this issue, or is it just forgive me? is it just the french being the french, or is there kind of a, a backwash here from other sources of anger? in the relationship between paris and london, we've got the migrant crisis. we've got phishing permits being debated and the french for the past 3 weeks have been hopping mad over the orcus deal. yeah, well i can't speak for french. i sit in brussel, adams, city iris. look, the proposals have got french banking or they would not a host, so just settle that. yes. the relationship between france london,
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between harrison long bones is particularly bad. jackson, a tenure perspective. it's a combination of the fishing permit sounds. see the summary deal with australia. there's, there's charity falls on both sides there, but the current on instability doesn't really help and i very much your source. ready mostly set about the need for a more stable pushing progress towards relationship. it's true to an extent that we're looking at a situation where a protocol didn't sanction north americans needed even just braces going radian belfast as far as your members are concerned and you have members on both sides of the board, you have a strong membership in the republic and you have a strong membership in northern ireland. if it's as simple as the e, you being creative with things like the way that for example, cooked meats and sausage meat is labeled. so sausage meat might go from being labeled a sausage me to and i quote,
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national identity food products. okay. now of course there are some red top papers in the u. k. are going to go completely mental with joy if and when that happens, of course they will. but if that's what it has to happen, what if that's what has to happen? why didn't they just do this 2 years ago? well, i think in any negotiation, peter, you need to know that you're an honest partner that adheres to the agreement that they have signed up to. and we haven't seen that good for a good faith approach. you can't go. and so if i were the european union or negotiations, payment for your boss, johnson would be incredibly cautious, but making concessions because it seems any concession you make it rejected even before the concession is made. i think i looked up, but if i could just briefly come back, i'm solving graham said i agree with when he says the protocol or a protocol needs article communities. but there is a border in the island violence soft. we need to keep it soft, but there has been
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a border in the irish sea for years. it's called devolution u. k is not a military state. there are rules and laws and northern scotland, wales names that are different. now, we don't want to see any additional border infrastructure between northern ireland and britain, but we don't want to see it between northern public vines, so it's about squaring that circle. and it's about moving away from 0 some i when you lose black and white because it's a lot more gray. and i think it's about compromising and being people, people being confident. but that can really happen if they're empowered and you know, i don't think everyone and know that i don't respect of the political tradition wants to rely on the u. k. government to do their bidding for them. and that's why the voices and none of them are nationalist or other need to be heard more graham, they're all voices perhaps not in northern ireland, but elsewhere in the e. you talking about potential here. it all goes belly up there talking about the potential here for trade war tariffs out of the u. k. or tariff goods out to the u
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. k. say it's sausage, meet cooked, meets. that's one thing. but if you start imposing tariffs on luxury goods, you know, bottles of moult, whiskey, luxury motor cars, that's a completely different ball game. how far down that road potentially is the european union prepared to go not very far. i don't think the protocol itself says that if, if i the side in folks article 16 which will suspend the protocol and any reaction has to be a proportionate amount to trade we're talking about is so small that the proportions action would also have to be have to be small, it wants to up the ante here and started to trade all that and the next previous silly thing to do this is a small matter, but very little danger here for the single market all year. this time greatly to, to, to take a step back here and dump this right down,
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but let's get this sorted. so there are ways of protecting the single market without having the unique i think it was, for example, anywhere in the world we have a major customers in triple with inside one country that was imposed on the you know, the time is great, but he'll weakness and division and the you need to recognize, sit down and agree with the central way of doing this is what the people protocol has nicholas white and brussels. i guess part of that process of recognizing what might happen as far as brussels is concerned is a calculation. the calculation has got to be surely. what's the strength of feeling inside 10 downing street? how do they view the stance so far on the part of boris johnson's government? yeah, i mean, that's not making mistakes that european union wants to see. this one settled dealt
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with, but there is a strong perception that shipment is more interested in the fight than in the solution. i don't yesterday, speech by north cross to nothing also average to sell. ready less and question, until there is a sense the britain is actually interested in the go shooting, rep, flashing devices, own connection. is it good news? oh, in that we are not starting this process this coming couple of days, couple of weeks with a take it or leave it atmosphere on the part of either side. well i, i had to refresh, suggested air that shows a bit more like a ticket or leave an attitude which is which, which was regrettable. i really hope that the announcement later on from jessica, which creates the context for negotiations, where people can go in to negotiation in good faith using the proper diplomatic channels and with a mega full diplomacy. we can train me understand and reach an accommodation
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agreement that will be in the interests of the european union in the u. k. crucially or interest of all of the people of northern ireland in the island of central. and we need that space and we need to move away, as i said before, 0. so again, i think that you also have to look at what's happening in poland and hungary because the rule of law and making sure that agreements are honored in the countries enter into dollars is crucial. so i think you will look at the context of, of the wider situation. many negotiation with government, given you government form up to date 10 seconds each. please gentlemen gram. gotcha . and cambridge a year from now, do you think it would be a soft border or a hard border or are you talking about about the iris said, no, it's a border between island and the republic. oh, that will be a sophomore. there's no, there's no question or many ways of solving this problem with nicholas white's in brussel, south florida. hard border for once i agree with graham soft is much more likely.
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so in radian belfast last last word to belfast, you're, you're in the middle of this debate. oh, in south florida or a hard border has to be a soft border north and south and needs to be a softer border east and west. it's in the interest of both communities and everyone. gentlemen, thank you so much for giving us your insights into this very dense, very complicated story, but i think we've managed to break it down into its composite parts and dare i say we've made brakes. it slightly more understandable and it was half an hour ago. thank you so much. thank you to our guests. they were o in reedy nicholas white and green. gotcha. and thank you to, for your company. you can see the show again, any time via the website outage, your dot com, and for more discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle, you know, by now it's pat ha, inside story from me, pete adobe and everyone on the team here in doha. thanks for watching. i will see
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