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a ban on afghans central bank was us. natasha jeanine has more acting foreign minister says that it is looking to the international community to help solve its financial woes. you are looking at a country that is heavily dependent on international aid with an evolving humanitarian crisis on the ground. it is asking that the united states lifts economic sanctions freeze, unfreeze its assets and are reduced restrictions or lift restrictions. after at the afghan national bank, it says it needs to be able to pay its employees, as well as provide services to the afghan people. it's european forces have launched a new round of air and ground strikes against t grey and rebels. the attacks took place in the m har region the take away people's liberation front has been fighting pro government forces in the north the last 11 months. or may you as president,
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the tell about us security night lap the atlantic state in afghanistan is claimed a bomb attack against the has are of minority as it struggling to win international recognition. can the taliban alone take on the threat of armed groups in the country? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm adrian said again. i saw in afghanistan has claimed responsibility for suicide bomb attack on friday in little than city of condos. dozens of people were killed at others injured by the explosion inside. a crowded
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cheer mosque during friday press. it's the latest in a series of attacks by the group. the violence poses a threat to the taliban who promised to establish security. but the former government couldn't provide. it's also clenched to protect ethnic and religious minorities out a serious hash. my whole battle reports from missouri sharif. oh, these are the moments after it won't last too. through. most fact with worshippers security officials say a suicide woman managed to get inside before blowing himself up, killing an enduring spose of people. i sell enough gun, his dad has claimed responsibility. nobody the mos is in the town of hanna bad in condis city. that's hell to many members of the she has auto minority, i will become dub dub. hello miss alona bahati. it was around 1 40 pm. all the muslims had gathered in the mosque for friday. prayers. and when i heard the
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explosion, i was near by. and what i saw was just like the end of the world. why is this happening to the muslims? which religion should we adopt? where there's nothing like this and killing muslims is forbidden? believe god, i can't even talk any more. i can't tell you how many dead bodies i've shifted in my vehicle. there was no angelos. may god have mercy on all muslims. i'm glad he got on. it's one of the worst. i see lots acts says the taliban take over. as foreign forces were leaving elate august, the army group also claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing at campbell airport. more than a 183 people were killed, including 13 your soldiers. i sail latest, said it was behind a series of attacks targeting the taliban in general, abandoned kabul. the taliban launched a crack down and arrested dozens of icy fighters in those cities. taliban officials
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say they are determined to eradicate their rivals. violence has increased over the last few days. the taliban next move is going to be closely monitored by the afghan people and the international community. the united states is expecting the taliban to deliver on a promise made in the 2020 doe hug. we're meant to prevent i sail from building a base in afghanistan. the blasting condos underscores the growing challenges. the taliban now faces sissy took over the country in august. the taliban prides itself on providing secure and stable environment. but the attacks in delilah bad cobble a dove. this one in condos will increase anxieties among the afghan people. hash mobilizes either missouri city leon through calls itself hispanic state, correson province, a historical region that includes afghanistan and other central asian countries. it
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was formed in 2014 by breakaway fighters from the pakistani and afghan taliban groups. they pledged allegiance to the late iso leader abil bucher albert daddy, the responsible for some of the worst attacks in afghanistan and pakistan in recent years, killing people in mosques in public squares, and even a maternity ward and cobble their adversaries of the taliban. i saw has been highly critical of the taliban peace talks and engagement with washington. i so strictly opposes the taliban go of establishing an islamic emerett within afghan borders and instead seeks to create a pan islamic caliphate. ah, so let's bring in our guests for today's discussion. phase zealand is professor of political science a couple university. he joins us now from cobble. michael, simple chair at the mitchell institute for global peace, security and justice at queens university. belfast. he joins us live fir via skype from dublin. and joining us here in doha is independent of can analyst hash met
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mostly. good. have you with this gentleman, michael? if we can start with you before we can discuss whether the taliban or can deal with the threat of i saw in afghanistan, we need to establish that the nature of that threatened just how dangerous it is to the taliban and the people of afghanistan. how strong a force is i saw in afghanistan, what does it want? where does it get its weapons? it's money and why is it targeting afghans? sheer minority. the taliban regime faces what we can think of as a threat from the left and the threat from a right. the threat from the right to the threat from isis. the taliban can take it extremely seriously. although isis doesn't actually control tracks of territory. it has pockets of support around the country. it has a very effective a propaganda operation. oh, it's good at operating under cover. and it really terrifies taliban officials
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because it has been the most effective organisation, the art carrying out assassinations against them. they here are, they really posed that they've posed as the survey at the, or the jar, the organization forger, heidi's who consider that the taliban are far too moderate. they hit our, their move against afghan. she is, i think, really as a way of like staking out their claim to be or an organisation which is not tempered by the certain amount of moderate, no moderation and, and pragmatism which the taliban of hard to a hard to embrace. isis say that they hear that the she is are near are heretics are under they back that out with these kind of devastating symbolic attacks against them. i think what the, the taliban are really worried is that, oh yeah. and that isis can take away support from them and that our fighters who grievously aligned with the taliban,
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ultimately they don't get what they want in terms of the taliban regime that they will end up shifting their support to isis. so in a sense, the taliban find themselves in a dilemma. little bit similar to the one that the african government felt. the afghan government never really felt that they were going to lose in a direct military conflict with that with the taliban. they he am. they lost when their forces just disappeared and, and at melted away. the taliban are really concerned that their fighters could actually go over to isis ashmond a. so you're nodding in agreement that we still haven't addressed where i so gets it's, it's financing where it gets it's weapons from help. how big a threat to the taliban ave? well, i agree with almost all the points made but the biggest crisis and the challenge facing the stomach in atalla on more so than that higher than the isis weapons and
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their finances is the issue of legitimacy. the taliban are now stuck between the struggle are for islam versus liberalism. and the taliban movement has to find a balancing act has to find a way and narrative on a practice that would both satisfy their hard line supporters and also satisfied the hard line liberals of the western governments. that would then open up the past for the taliban to get international support. or what makes this balancing act much more difficult, as i said, is the issue off the hard liners on both sides of this spectrum. the course the question is to what extent the taliban can and soften their their position. and as, as our colleagues said, moderate or keep on moderating the position to the western narrative of global and social and political order. us for the taliban or, or as for the isis,
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where they get their weapons from birth, predominately they will get their weapons from the time when they, when they start fighting the african government taking out a small unit and getting weapons that a member in the time of a ward of taliban against the afghan government in the past. and a lot of the weapons came into afghanistan, from pakistan. the region was always a wash was weapons. so a small arms or isis has came from there. but predominantly what makes the isis or make the taller one more, at least in the past, is the ability to manufacture or is improvised explosive devices and the bombs that they, that they manufacture and place them in the cars or trucks and blow them in barriers that would create instability for whoever is ruling. and the fact that all about are the fact that isis at the moment is targeting the sheer community in afghanistan. it goes back to the war in our assyria, where the fatima you in, is she a brigade that was created from there?
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she has of pakistan, afghanistan, india and all over the world. and to some extent, the governments of the regions turned a blind eye to the uranium recruitment of the ship from afghanistan. so now the ice is not going to stand, that is basically going after avenge attacking those communities. and in that process, unfortunately, a lot of the innocent people and bystanders get killed. yeah. okay, i don't, but i'm sorry to interrupt you that that's bringing professor da london. can the taliban crush it's it's adversaries in afghanistan or does it face an ongoing war of attrition? oh, thanks for having me. i think what we are discussing it is sir and not to. busy confine or in instability or versus insecurity. they to, i've got, i've got to stand in 12 guns as the geography as a population. isis, and many other related to organizations. they have globalized agenda,
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isis itself is an important are. busy busy taken out of its main color, syria and iraq. busy from an ideological widen resistance from the tree, and so now fighting isis and fighting many others now will require to taliban and international and regional support. it. busy should be it should be a fight and it should be contained by all. there is no countries for the stability of the region or you know, better with the what our son doesn't mean of janice than it includes jr. busy a parts of pakistan, it on india, even in the hulu, subcontinent. so what we are now discussing, it is actually a spin over insecurity from the region. a 12 gun is done and it requires originally, international are supposed to taliban to make, contain fight, and eliminate their such threats. michael and picking up on on what,
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what phase for saying than hash matter before him about this balancing act between hardliners and liberals. and it's legitimacy, or will the international community to step in to assist as far as security is concerned? is it under any obligation to do so? the answer as of now is no. it is inconceivable that there would be serious, respectable, international support for the, the taliban in tackling their security challenges. which of course, are not just isis. i mean, they're fighting the other enemies as well of the, the remnants of the old government as to the representatives of the minorities. so up in the present time, present circumstances are absolutely no. and the taliban will not be surprised with that. after all, there was a fully functioning security apparatus in the here in the country are which had received massive amounts of assistance, perhaps too much. and the taliban saw fit to topple that. i think everybody who
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previous to supported. busy that they're still licking their wounds. i think most afghans also believe that what we see in cobble and the current through shape of the, our, the islamic camera, it is not the end of the story. they really are going to have to make some adjustments to our and to incorporate the rest of afghans society, which has never supported the taliban. so in the short run, no, but in the long run, of course these things are going to have to be addressed. because, you know, the, i says our and they say you're the threat of chaos inside afghanistan doesn't just threaten afghanistan. it threatens the broader region and as far as europe. so i think we're going to have to see some political movement with the taliban are very reluctant to do they they, they always love to hold out and avoid compromise. but ultimately we're going to see some political movement and from the taliban side, some accommodation with the rest of afghan society. and these will be the key to opening up as security assistance and also broader economic assistance. so yeah,
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went, oh yeah, we're at the start the story, not the end of it at ashbrand. if a international security assistance is provided and what exactly what it entailed. you think here is a cleanser. if stay international community goes on to support the taliban, isis will say taliban are the stooges of the americans and the western powers. and that will empower isis in the propaganda war to win over the youth, especially from other minorities that right now the taliban. the current government of the taliban has sidelined so there is a potential for recruitment from all other ethnic groups. i am a target. i'm in contact with a target, and a lot of the target youth are saying, good isis be an alternative to fight upon upon because we are left in the middle of, of, of, of a global gain. so if the international committee does not support the thought upon, and the taliban government assassin become weaken than ice this propaganda machine is going to say, did we not tell you that state is him or this concept of nation estate does not
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work that we have to go into a global g heart to create a hill offer that is so large and so big and has all their resources on the population that can sustain itself economically. so these are the debates among the islamist groups. but when i listen to the west and analysts, there, the entire debate is reduced between a moderation and between extreme a women's rights and gay rights and small minorities. these are not the issues that islamists are debating among themselves at the moment. the debate is destination is state work is the animation is stating the muster world that the muscles can be proud off. since the end of hill offer, there isn't according to their narrative and the tolerable have come into the fray saying we are going to create an emirate again within the boundaries of her after international laws. and isis saying, international laws are made to serve the higgin. many or the hedge in many of the
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are western powers. and we have to break that. and this is where the taller one have to find them out to teach how to create an, a stomach, a state, or a emerett within their existing boundaries and implement there, and just standing off shabbier and how to bring their weston and, and the global community to help them economically, and there's a mistake made here, and the only beneficiary in this, a stalemate, as far as i can see in the long run and short term is isis or their stomach, a steak, as we know at or some called a dash phase. what, what's your view on that if the international community were to, it's to assist with security in afghanistan, and what did even mean boots on, on, on the, on the ground or would it be technical existence, for example, if, if there were forces sent in again to afghanistan to help prop up the taliban, to what extent could they find themselves just embroiled in that been the same kind of never ending conflict that, that bog down us in nato forces for so long on an soviet once before that
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i think boots on the ground is not a clever solution to what's going to happen in the coming months and insecurity. and i've got to stand for the so fall it, i've got to stand this issued the government or the current government, or going to send them a reply to that they must have a rule in line. they must show the power. now the monopoly of using the power in the jacket i few are present, the solemnity of the country to the rest of the world. secondly, getting any forces from the region from russia car, from nato forces that will escalate the current and stability and security gate will attract more recruitment. not only to die isis,
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but also to other powers. who are n p a u. s. or any other foreign countries, presidents, military present, send my on the ground. thirdly, which is where the most important. i think you went through military conflict. we went through law. currently we need to work on the political settlements. taliban must not attract more inclusive to the government. for the political structure region must support taliban with support is borders that we have with the don. we have with the pakistan and center relation and he said to eliminate the cross part of that terrorism and also a sense of those that they start having ideological confrontation with the original countries. 3rd, 3rd, men important think is for the european countries and they use their lift of going
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to sun and stable situation. the lift up done. it's done facing so many different problems. good. alrighty? no, not having jobs, sir. man there. maria. good governance. so didn't need to support her, the new government here, the transition that should be stable. i'm all, i'd set stoned off her camper. what's his face at all? it's that very point that i want to put to, to, to michael. you said michael, that, that eventually some sort of international assistance will be given security wise to to the taliban to but to what extent is his time of the essence given at the state in which afghanistan was left and, and not sort of waiting until the taliban has met the west sex spec taishan of it concerning human rights and, and women's rights and all of the other things that, that, that, that, that they're expecting from the taliban. the security situation is deteriorating now. a well this is exactly the dilemma, but i think this is the kind of message. whats the taliban are going to be getting loud and clear on they're going to wrestle with?
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how quickly will they be be prepared to, to move to accommodate not demands not, not just near demands being forced on them by the west. remember that the, the move that the taliban made yet in to cobble. oh was something which they decided on how they had, you know, backing from the afghan people for this that they, what they've done in the 2 months that they've been there is that they've divided the spoils exclusively out, you know, within their own movement they, they promised that inclusive government, they didn't deliver on it, so they shouldn't be surprised when they sit down with western institute interlocutors. we're all, all keen to undertake preliminary engagement with them on our betty telling them there is a long list of things you're gonna have to do before you do get serious assistance . in the meantime, what they're going to be offered is humanitarian assistance for the population. rather than either security assistance or serious economic assistance. and the question is, how quickly can both the taliban and also other afghans. because remember,
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you're tell about who you represent the small part of afghan society, taliban and other afghans as they get themselves organized. again, how quickly that can they move to war some kind of credible structure, the actual inclusive government, which the taliban promised, but it did not deliver because yeah that, that is when there will be a realistic prospect of proper security assistance and economic assistance. and the longer it takes, the more damage that will be done in the meantime, because you're absolutely right. dice are recruiting as we talk about the time about of the u. s. a currently holding talks in doha, extensively about getting at risk people out of afghanistan. the us, of course, wants assurances on women's rights and, and education. what will the taliban want though, from those talks in return and will security assistance factor into that to think ah, yes, a taller one would want the american embassy to open for the american government to
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tell its allies in the region to normalize their relations with the taliban and to start giving tal on more than just the military and support that start engaging with tal on other very high level and both political economic level. they need engagement and they need the money that has been frozen in their world bank to be released because talib and really need that cash. but there's another angle here. i hear that a lot of tal on leadership are turning again, blaming europe and speaking about the u. s. support. but you can see that in the debate, the organization of a stomach countries are complete. the absent, the parliament are not asking the muslim countries and most in states around the world to come to the support. and the data itself says a lot that a lot of the governments in the region are not happy to tolerate, have come to power because this model of the soon, the islamist organization coming to power is seen as a threat by many of the so called democracies and the kings in the region, and so
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a lot of the governments around the region are very, i'm assuming power in column. so the total one problem stems from, as is, was explained by our other guests that are not inclusive within the african society . they are not liked within the region except that focused on backs the taliban. and china would like to have some type of relationship with them for their own, for its own political and national benefits. and internationally, you can see that we're going to suffer some countries to staying away from the phone on you is staying away from a call upon an overall united nation is staying away from the top one. and the top one in the meantime, are being pushed around by isis saying that your model does not work, that we have to extend a fight to the other countries and have a global agenda. and establishment of this is that the problem was grappling with, and i don't see any easy way out of the taliban for making sit and concessions. but
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the real question is, to what extent can the polar bond change, where they do not lose the core constituency, which are the hard liners. there are reports of social media and i said it's very quickly the digital social media way, young fall of on fighters are saying you're just waiting for orders to go into pocket and blow ourselves up and commit suicide bombing. because we think that focus on government government is not in a stunning good government. so within the tal on there that force that has similar ideas to that isis. ok. we're going to have to leave it there. gentlemen. thank you very much. indeed for being with us phase island. michael, simple and hash brown. mostly. thank you for watching. don't forget, you can see the program again at any time just by visiting the website at al serra dot com for further discussion. join us at our facebook page, you'll find that at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. and of course, there's the conversation on twitter handle at ha, inside story for me,
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