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banner, acquainted to a call for independence and that the slogan was capable of inciting others. he'll be sentenced at a later date, but faces a lifetime. more than a $120.00 people have so far been charged under the national security legislation, including the publisher, jimmy ly, who was also in court on tuesday. like tongue he 2 faces spending the rest of his life in jail. adrian brown, al jazeera hong kong. ah, this is all, these are the top stories trinity is largest political party says is ready for elections a day after the president dismissed the prime minister unfroze parliament. but the enact party is warning against an autocratic regime. yes, president joe biden says all federal workers could be required to to get vaccinated against court with 19 cases continue to climb,
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driven by the delta of variance. while vaccination rates appear to have leveled off at lower than 50 percent. my con is in washington dc and says mandatory vaccinations for federal workers would impact millions of people have been some states that have already introduced a vaccine mandate. new york, for example, new york city as well as california has now introduced a vaccine mandate. now in both of those areas, the mandate is there, but at the same time, there will be no action taken against workers who refuse to have the vaccination, but it will be made difficult for them given that they would then have to agree to very regular testing. they would also have to wear a mosque whenever they were indoors and in contact with the public. the world trade organization is discussing demands for a waiver of vaccine patients that is meeting in geneva, the u. s. south africa and india. a lead calls for the suspension of intellectual
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property rights. so a lot of local production vaccines. it's opposed by several wealthy nations including the u. k and the u. r. u. s. a congressional committee has heard emotional testimony from police officers present at the january. the 6th attack on the capital building in washington d. c. they've been speaking about the verbal and physical abuse. they say the suffered during the insurrection. a former close ally of pope francis is on trial in the vatican for the less financial crimes he along with 9 others is accused of extortion. embezzlement and money laundering on soon reigns in bangladesh have triggered a landslide of the world's largest refugee camp, killing at least 6 people. it happened that could have a long camping cox's bizarre. it's home to more than a 1000000 range refugees from me and law. most of the victims were children. those are the headlines. the news continues and all just after inside story, goodbye. news.
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news. news. news june is here fall under a new dictatorship, the president in 50 active lawfully when effects the prime minister and put a freeze on parliament. the biggest political party is calling for dialogue. so where does this leave unity as young democracy is insights to ah, ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm bonus junior is often held up is the only success story of the arab spring,
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but 10 years on and it's democracy is looking front jail. president chi side has defended, sucking the prime minister on suspending parliament for 30 days. he says he acted lawfully under the constitution. he's also imposed nighttime curfew embalmed public gatherings to need his biggest political party and not a is calling for a national dialogue to get out of the crisis. while some celebrated the president's decisions, others, a warning of a return to authoritarianism. laura burton monthly reports the near empty streets of chinese or start contrast to days of protests under strict curfew. many have not dared to face the army which is now patrolling. trinity in parliament and government buildings. the country's biggest political group, the enough, the party has called the dialogue and the keys, the president of the could we reject the uncle juice,
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no announcements. and we welcome all the rejections that have come from news of the political party as well as some of the organizations. ready and we call the changes in people to the com and vigilant, and you ready to defend that democracy. the many came to the streets and celebration and outrage at president ty sides both lose firing the prime minister and freezing the parliament for a month. the president said, says the decision was taken after following the process laid out in the constitution. nothing to supper. i have taken responsibility. i am taking a historic responsibility. even those who claim this matter is related to whom need to revise the lessons in the constitution to present side who controls the armed forces. made a storm warning against any one. taking up arms,
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saying the biggest danger a nation can face is internal explosion of the dismiss. prime minister, his sham, she, she says he will not be a disruptive element. he will hand power to whoever the president chooses, like this street like that you need to read the parliament is also divided today between the majority leading parties in department like and doing this and who elation will cold and describe the decision of president christ. i've constitutional dictatorship. why? again, he's this decision, you need his democracy, leaving it biggest. today, there were also fears of a crackdown on the freedom of press. after security forces stormed al jazeera, the buildings, it's a move out there, has strongly condemned. the president's move had fully must protest with much of the anger direct. is it the enough to party for the handling of the economy and
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a raging pandemic? of this fear? it's an unconstitutional power grabbed that could lead to a dictatorship, a move that would see the end to the jasmine revolution, the paid the way to a decade of democracy. lore about among the for inside story. ah, let's bring in august joining us from june. this is counted kalauia history professor of the mediterranean school of business, and he's also a political analyst on june as yet from washington. d. c. sarah, your keys, a senior fellow in carnegie's middle east program and from both in turkey. sali, yes and a fellow at the ostrom workshop at the indiana university bloomington, a warm welcome to you all, sarah, if i can begin with you, you are tweeting earlier. what to watch out for this pans out? if the president grabs more power, we're looking at a qu, we should keep an eye on the reaction of the security forces. sure,
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keeping on other arab states. is this not really though just a coup in slow motion? to me, it looks like a cou, i think if you read the constitution that the president is using to justify his actions, it very clearly states that he needs to consult the prime minister and the speaker of parliament before taking these emergency actions, which he didn't do so i think it's very hard for him to say that this is not a coo and i think, you know, we're still the things are still unfolding. we need to keep watching. what else he does. if he does put a new government in power very quickly, then maybe we can back off from that. but right now i think it clearly looks like sally, the e u and the u. s. hasn't said it's a qu yet. what are they waiting for? first and foremost, i believe the priority of the us and euro is on keeping states the realty. so in the stable country, so perhaps they might be strength regarding this more, where we're, if this move, keep it stable. and furthermore, if it, if it promises
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a certain level of prosperity in the long run, the us and europe might just be satisfied with what they had. ok, well, tara salo mentioned that the need for stability. is that what they should need? his general labor union is worry. busy about worried about civil society groups are worried about an order is worried about because they're all they will seem to be giving the president time. yes, exactly. so what i have 1st of all, just to get a little bit earlier with what, what might make this a cool really is if the president would go beyond the 30 days. clearly he has an interpretation that is very problematic. they would say of the cross 80, he could have a lot of power a, but this is not really traditional military. some people are basically comparing
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this to having to egypt or 30, which is not exactly that denise in context. so that's point one. it might become a who, but for now it's not. and not even establishing a government that would be the solution that is going to establish government. everyone knows that guy name a prime minister coming out just not days and you government is going to be established. the main question that they're going to be controversy about is if you goes beyond the dates for closing down the problem. but here we have to put those, we context things and between it we're not dealing with the regular. busy additional established liberal democracy, we're talking about the democracy that is still incomplete. major basically institutions were not completed the, especially the constitutional court. and they did the responsibility lays on
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political parties, the political, anything, clothing and especially in leather, which was one of the main parties. since 2011 and you know, the court, what has been established by 2015 as the position says. but the matter is that it's possible among other major political parties. but the certainly it's the main part of that responsible or not. basically because she georgia including abolition course. ok. so we'll, we'll touch on the maturity of unity in democracy a little bit later on. but sarah, the prime minister, the now the x prime minister hisham the she, she, he seemed also now willing, is willing to give way and waits. why has he done so easily? so willingly, i think in part. yeah, i think in part because of the, this idea of stability that we're talking about. i don't think he has much to gain from trying to fight this. i think, you know, between all the various measures that the president has laid out, including the curfew and quitting travel bands. and i think it's, you know,
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i'm sure the prime minister is not happier. former prime minister is not happy, but i do think it's in his interest to just kind of quietly step down and see where things play out. sally, do you, do you think that the prime minister or the president might try and consolidate power further? what mighty try and do so the $1000000.00 question, and i don't have an answer. unfortunately, trudges can be said propagated for direct democracy. and even after his being through roger speeches, he was also very critical and skeptical portico. parties, particularly the ones we should consider as their barriers, you know, for kids direct engagement with citizens or for him to be able to represent the general be of, you know, so he had some ideas about direct democracy and he even occasional reference,
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the real, whoever did not see any concrete action in his, in his side to be able to implement. but he had in his mind. so, and you also consider that i got outside or unlike delayed the president, the guy who had had some network relationships inside the broker's site . coming as an outsider, he will most likely need the support of individuals who may share some ideological or may not sure or so even if he tried to call. so there's power, it will eventually need to forming new coalition within the government. not only going to also recent as well. ok. sorry. it took shelly on the state of the state of judy and democracy. i mean 1st
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firstly, how significant are the differences between the religious and secular parties they managed to govern by consensus for years. our differences being amplified by side force is what's going on that daily. one of the main misleading ways of looking at what's happening in procedures they, they come to me between some of the secular parties and the idea that the consensus between the tickler this summer party is going to resolve the problem that is going to establish liberal democracy in tunisia, but you know, the consensus that was basically agreed upon between a lot of us the main secular party, after the 2014 elections led to what we can call and but many twenties. it's called corrupt kind of democracy. democracy that is based on the consensus of individuals, especially the lead that of another than ambitious attempts to the lead that of the of the us added to that is that there is no,
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we cannot get social delivery would be they would empower, they would in alliance but they deliver, they did not make lead major reforms, and they did not fight corruption. it's actually the opposite. they issued the law in with of a team that give us the general amnesty to people who were with the oh, the gm, despotic times. and basically, establishing a non and just form of, of resolving the problems of despotic times. and that was perceived by many regions as basically giving a free card to, to people who are corrupt. and this is the 2019 election was it was a yellow card for the political elite, and they think much of the political elite, especially in leather, did not get the point, not see how people are really frustrated with what's happening given go way for outsiders. and what we may call even populists for sides, including side by side they think is published leanings to the left rather than to,
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to the right and emphasizing anti corruption policies and things like that. the mother went on into the additional consensual, back fix and sizing this bridge between an estimate and missing the whole point that the much of the public is not really interested in these identity politics. it's money in it to nomic social problems and especially production. and they think after almost 2 years of what we have seen of the city, it was the right context that i took that the put unit established this rule. and we're going to see, you know, he's going to lay down a roadmap that we might talk a little little bit about it later. ok, sarah, has consensus been the problem? i mean, with the consensus a been no real opposition. how's that to check on to act as
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a check on the government? absolutely, i think, you know, none of the parties in tunisia have been able to actually deliver on the most important thing right now, which is economic progress, neck and prosperity or chinese. and particularly the pandemic caused a lot of this. but even before the pandemic started conditions were, many teachers weren't able to feed themselves. you know, the economic situation for them was decreasing, particularly in the marginalized areas. and so, you know, i'm very skeptical that president died by consolidating power in his own hands. or even if he appoints a new government, i'm not sure you know within 30 days that this government's going to be able to do what they need to do in order to bring tenicia out of the economic crisis level on the health crisis. no government has so far been able to actually adequately deal with the pandemic, which is ravaging tunisia right now. and i think it was a big mistake for side to decide he's going to take this on. on his own, solid, 2018, afro barometer survey found 81 percent of unity and do not feel close to any political
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party. how does the president move forward when not, is the view change in how the, of the current state of the democracy, that political parties? well, the position has always been an outsider. you know, you build your campaign as an outsider and you are critical or support the co parties and the co class in general. and i think this view overlap with tunisia, disclosure illegal and with both parties overall. and i will also cite and parameters study from 2018 where above 90 percent of the major consider individuals the national institutions to be corrupt, to engage in correction. so i say simply built upon this perception and checking campaign and kept his momentum on being an off site or is usually right now. blame come for for better, right or wrong. maybe to use just it should be in the countries trying to ill
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current shortcomings on the boat to go on the ruling. julie and the fate strategy is now is to continue placing him outside or so this particular class. well, we were, as you will see in the next 30 years, so it least started for portion of the population, given him some credits. we will see in the next 30 years, 30 days story, whether he can deliver or not. if he can do, or she can keep his momentum, or if you fails to do so in popularity, it might, it might be dropped substantially. ok, carrick, democracy doesn't solve unemployment, doesn't fix poverty, it doesn't improve public services. does the president need need to promise to continue democracy, or does he need to promise people that he's going to fix the very basic needs they have? what is the out? what are the answers they're looking for?
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certainly for them to know publicly, he's not denouncing democracy, i think in depth the now it's against many popular denouncing liberal democracy and diseases basically rejecting a kind of radical democracy. but his road map is not going to be about that is not going to be about his own projects going to be about the business system is going to push for a road map that would include the certainly referendum of the system can easier, which is say my parliament, which gives more floor to political parties. so it's going to push for different them on the political system is going to push for the system. and he's going to push for a change in the next law that is going to basically push for individual lists. again, we can get a little bit, but it's going to take more than 30 days to sort out, isn't it allen? do you give him? no, no, no. i'm not talking about 30 days. they have have to be clear here. what we're
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talking about is not the 30 days window the 30 days. i think he's going to go beyond that. the 30 days is going to be the debate. if the parliament is going to be open up again or not, sarah, do you see a roadmap like that putting out? is that the sort of thing but the presidency is going to be doing? yeah, i think he has said all along, even on the campaign trail, that he wants a consolidated system, a presidential system. he doesn't like the parliamentary system. he's been saying all along, but he wants to get rid of parliament, which is why i'm very skeptical that after 30 days or within 30 days, he's going to suddenly say ok parliament return. i mean, the same people, he doesn't like, it's the same institution that he doesn't like. i do think he will put forward a roadmap that says to need just should have, you know, revised the lead for a law that they should get rid of the prime minister position. they should get rid of the parliament. i don't think that that's what the chinese people necessarily want. maybe they do, maybe we'll see if there is a referendum on that. but the way he's this is not democratic. you know,
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if he wants to change the system, there is a process. you know, you do this through the government, you don't decide you're going to suddenly take all the power for yourself, then declare that this is the system you want to have. but then sat a given the grim situation of many tunisians, worse than it was before the hour of spring. why does it have to be democratic for them? why couldn't not just bring the relief that they're looking for? because i think, you know, if you look at history of tenicia, but also globally, the way that you have better governance that you have better services. the way that you actually get people, the things they need is through good governance through better governance. it's not through consolidating power and authoritarianism. it didn't work for tenicia underbelly. it's not gonna work for tenicia under side. mean, i think what we've shown throughout the world is that, you know, you need to have people, institutions that are accountable to the people. you know, people have a stay in a voice in the sense that affect their lives. and the way that they're going this roadmap that i think he's going to put forward is not the way to actually help
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deliver for the people. ok, sali, what's happening in junior, there is not how it pound out in egypt. but our unions looking nervously over to egypt, avail, with envy at the apparent stability that are they worried that it could become a coup with bloody and as brutal as egypt went through? well, i think the comparison, this is making a comparison. it will be almost catching the concept of power graph. so to show you the different countries, egypt with different institutions and kind of say, is not a system. but i think the answer will depend on your talk. so indonesia, and i think me and not the supporters are rightfully fearful right now, because this is all of the reverse fears, you know, to be excluded from the system in a way that they can not push for clean their work. so but for
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other tunisians, i think some of them are hopeful, as you saw in the streets, and some of them might be indifferent, and some of them are even nervous. so i don't think that it is appropriate to put all denisia in the same category. cost perspective towards fisher. yes. i can see that a certain portion of your population is hopeful that you know, getting rid of the soco political class can do some benefits and only define realtor ok. carrick, you are, are unique in it is a much a totally different society from, from egypt, but do people when you look over to how it's pam dow, that the parents debility economic economy is expected to grow 5 percent by the end of next year in egypt. junior is contracted because of the corona virus and the claps and tourism game so that it is a section of the chinese population that with the way down things they are not
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really aware of how much it can on the growth is happening and they see stability and they see some kind of what they can perceive some kind of prosperity which is not due to the accurate. but really what's happening is not about comparisons about about being impressed by what's happening. it needs to be that it's by being basically disillusioned by what's happening in please. yeah, that's the main problem. and many tunisians basically a band. we have so many pauls that show denisia, the majority of 3 are still favorable for democratic institutions. i think so many people that went to the streets in july 25 and celebrated might the decisions of sides will not basically not have a problem with the market, but they have a problem with a kind of democracy. they see it as rep. they see it as a kind of the book is a close down politics within consensual, closed rooms,
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and did not really establish the main problems of teenagers. they did not see the political class expressing their main warriors. and that's why they, they, they, they have a problem with that kind of, not with them, not with the with, but there is still a section that is still somehow in the status of the times. they have just to add something here that map that's going to be proposed by the site is going to be distracted by the balance of forces. so his government, that's going to be nominated. the coming, as i said, our days got a name of a new prime minister and so on, so forth. they're going to start with major economic, social and challenges. so the, the get a, they're going to be given sometime by the population. i wouldn't say 30 days, i would say $3060.00 days maybe even 90 days to progress basically watch what's
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gonna happen. and it's in basically the interest of higher than his government to do major quick a basically a step to get him. it was the i m f is going to be political, but they're going to have an am if agreement very soon, that's going to have a major what's happened and going to happen in the coming of our folks. unfortunately, we are out of time. but thanks to all august to terry chloe, to sara yerkes to sali yasu and thank you to for watching. you can see this out all our programs again, anytime by visiting our website, andre 0 dot com for more debate, go to our facebook page, facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story. you can also draw the conversation on twitter handle is a inside store for me, bernard smith, and the whole team here. ah
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