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threats to our planet on al jazeera ah camera, madison until the top stories on al jazeera in brazil, demonstrators, and several cities calling for the impeachment of president jeff bo sonata over the handling of covered 19000 cell pato fi tear gas at cries were also angry. over corruption allegations, both sonata continues to don't play the virus despite the stragglers. last of more than half a 1000000 brazilian. want to your not yet has been one of the demonstration protesters here and we have the narrow, are there protesting about many things? the government downplaying of the can been damaged. the president's warning of the health safety measure. the slow rollout effect,
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which has picked up in the last couple of weeks. but still brazil was the country that should not have had the problem because it is the country that is usually prepared for mass vaccination. and this did not happen at this time because the government itself was not pushing for the president was not trying to to put forth the message that people should say, said he was always going get a small flu. so these are the problems that were going on and also people here are upset with the unemployment there. 2 are 377. people have lost their jobs and every hours the damage began her rupture. and there was the senate drove. 7 7 into the government family of the fund, which is i was covering some corruption charges against health ministry
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insiders the draw we're drawing to buy overpriced vaccines. so they're all the factors that are contributing to these processes which are nationwide police in pirates of use tear gas to disperse protestors who oppose plans for so called virus in france. more than 150000 demonstrators across the country. the proposal would mean people have to prove their virus of vaccination status before they can enter restaurants or cultural venues. parliament will hold up vote on the virus this weekend. if you see, go to the bus, we are here mainly to protest against the hill past against the obligation of the hill past everywhere. because it's discriminatory. it divides the citizen, it divides people. that's why we hear what i think systematic vaccination is to extreme and too risky. and i'm also very shocked by the extension of this to children. i think they have nothing to gain and we are taking too many risk to try
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and save our elders across certainly a similar schemes also spot angry demonstrations. thousands protested in rome. naples and tyranny chanting freedom and done with the dictatorship of green pass will be needed from early next month to rest on some visit cinemas. among other indoor activities, in the 55 percent of the population is for the vaccinated. thousands of people have also been out in the streets in london. demonstration say the government track and trace app is limiting their movements. more than $600000.00 people told to self isolate and alone this month is cases right. most restrictions in the lifted turkey's defense ministry says 2 soldiers have been killed and 2 others have been wounded in an attack on a vehicle. in the l. bob area, northern syria, the ministry said turkish forces immediately fired back turkey had launched across the border. euphrates shield operation in 2016 to drive out eisen and the syrian
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curtis y p g. cuba attorney general says 59 people who took part and anti government protests to be prosecuted. their actions were described as disturbances and charges included public disorder and causing non serious injuries. rights could say more than $600.00 people would attain during and since the july 11th demonstrations. guns are into their 1st night of a nation wide curfew and post by the government for what it calls security reasons . all but 3 of the countries $34.00 provinces will be subject to the new restrictions. the army is trying to hold a taliban advance. and those are the headlines. the news continues here on al jazeera in about half an hour's time after the bottom line. goodbye. ah,
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i am steve clements. i have a question. you know how people always say us politics weren't so toxic in the good old days? well, really, where is it all pretty much the same, but our memories are shoddy. let's get to the bottom line. ah, spanish philosopher george pantheon is famous for saying those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it. even though really big surprises can happen. and change everything. the truth is that if you hang around long enough, you'll see the same cycles repeat themselves, especially in politics. at least that's the message that i get from reading the memoirs of my guest today, who at a front see well more like a front podium to decades of american history. he is chris matthews, long time roving d. c. bureau chief of the san francisco examiner speech writer for president jimmy carter, former host of the tv show, hardball and m s. b c, which was a political institution for more than 20 years. he retired last year and recently published his autobiography, this country,
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my life in politics and history. chris matthews is terrific to have you with us today. let me just ask you about the frame you have. what i read about you getting into politics coming out of the, you know, the catholic scene in, in pennsylvania and, you know, getting a patronage job, you know, all of the inner workings of those political forces at the time. you know, it kind of reminded me that it had kind of a tribal dimension. and so as i look at new tribes emerging in american politics the day, you know, i'm just interested in whether or not we're just at the front end of what it was like when boston catholics were, or philadelphia catholics came in. and how, you know, whether or not we're just reliving history and aren't yet quite really realizing it well, i was, i was on chip o'neil's last junket code, you know, back in 86. it was, it's all related to market. we went everywhere, went away, varies. we went to brazil. yeah, we went to red rio. we went to whatever way la,
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we went to dominican republic. it was quite a trip or a lot of business meetings at all, but it was fun. and i wasn't till i when we got to easter sunday in dominican republic and cars with a competent golf tour as a golf resort. but i noticed that everybody was at mass. i mean, the republic is the democrats, the enjoy wrangle was there was african american and everybody was there. and i said, what does the group haven't com and i knew her all catholic. so i don't know how much the chip and with that put into that. but that's the way it turned out. and i, oh, this is interesting and i think about his power. they were no catholics, but certainly the trinity with jack mirth in the charlie rangel and people like that. and it was interesting. so i guess there was tribes. i know when i 1st went knock on the, you know, not your doors on capitol hill and you're getting back to the peace corps. i started with the irish catholics come with i got one. it was mobbed up. i won't give his name, but he was clearly marked up. they had
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a terrible expert say on him about a body being taken out of his base, but it was alone chart. this guy was in try and real deeper with the hudson county democratic machine, which was corrupt, certainly then and, and he was much and they had the tape recordings on him, but working with a local cargo, helping him protect his gambling interested in aberrations syndicate. so i was smart, but that was the way i began looking for a job. i thought the peace corps holy cross where went to college would help me get the door open. in those cases, it didn't particularly help. i ended up ironically with tip o'neill for 6 years. we certainly fit the bill. i ended up actually in that case, working for a very developed mormon from utah, bueno. and it was copied to frank marsh, the last liberal senator from utah. but that's how i started off. so yeah, i guess i had a little weather that the tunnel is. it's really, you know, what i really enjoyed about your book in the stories you tell is you tell the great and good you talk about america at its best. you talk about american patriotism.
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but you have this frame. i mean, you are a cop. got to walking along pennsylvania avenue at night, which i found amusing and we may reflect on that in a minute. but i think there's another side to it, which is if you look at the other myth of american politics, is that it's a melting pot, that we've got people from all backgrounds and races that can come to you. talk about the magic of america being a place that people can come to and be accepted and b and b here, i found it very powerful. but at the same time, when you get into this town in washington, d. c, we've got, you know, right now the democratic party divided into different factions. you know, we've got the left, we've got folks in the center. we've got a jo mansion. we have an ag sandria across your cortez. we have the black and brown communities as you write in your book that are finding are places. and i guess what i'm trying to figure out is where it comes out or whether this kind of, you know, bumper cars of these different groups is really a lot like what you started out in,
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in the seventy's. and whether that or, or how we evolved. so that we can actually you know, better. i think the rich question because i remember we used to have these democratic retreats, greenbrier, west virginia, that wonderful. so any bell on resort and i love the fact that we had sort of amateur so i mean it's your entertainment nights and you have the country western guys, the country guys miss south sing along. and you had a dan glickman who's joe is doing al jolson. he was pretty good at all. just not great, but pretty good al jolson, you had a gay member who is openly gay there. and in a wardrobe i've selection, i would say is choices. it was a great mixture, windows concerted, or northern southern, all kinds of people. they are all democrats, they. ringback were not all homogeneous league a political together, and that's for sure. they were southern democrats, met in those days still. so it was a coalition party no other than
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a party of identity or party. but let's read the right word of ideology was not a party by the ology. today, it's increasingly becoming a part of our ideology. the progressive group is getting noisier appropriately, so they come to the big cities generally. they come from minority groups, people of color. generally, they are being heard in every newspaper article. you read it, but in the restructured today. you can't pick up an article, but infrastructure or police, or immigration certainly doesn't have voices from that no progressive wing from the minority if you will, wing. and that's all there. now that's new, that's certainly new. they're, they're not just keeping, you know, showing up in the office servers time servers. they're there to make a point and say it and make it message. and in fact they're very urgent about it. so that's different, i think that we have allowed or less than we did back then. we have a disappeared right, and there's no more right wing democratic party. and then there's no more real
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moderate republican party left what's called modern republican day is sort of conservative denmark conservative republicans like a portman. and to me, the northern arizona maybe i guess my susan collins domini rakowski from alaska. but generally anybody, he's not trump in the bag with trump is called a moderate republican now. but the parties are much more like the british parties now today, right, more logical part of the liberal, brittany of god. they report which is left with tony blair one time or twice johnson when they concern charlotte, wet, tory, i guess, you know, tory when you sort of a moderate conservative but clearly the parties are becoming more logical. that's different. you are deep into covering politics. you are also in politics. i want to tell my viewers that you actually ran for congress once you lost the primary. but you gave it a good go and you went knocking on every door that you could get. get near. you kind of look at that, one of the things you were aware of all the dimensions. and one of the things you
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write about in the book is, you know, that the rise of trump was related to earlier movements like ross perot and pat buchanan. i would have gone one step further and raised george wallace, who was one of the big race peters in america. and looking at that at that dimension of the george wallace dimensions. but that's been with us for decades and decades and decades. so given your experience, you know, it has a number of pieces to it. part of it is race. nativism. yeah, that's all there also has some new pieces of it that are actually go back to mccarthy. joe mccarthy, n t l e t o n t ivy league, a resentment of people who think they're better than us because of their academic success. i think that's a big, big draw. among the trump, people making fun of the academic lead, even though he talks about going dependent on the word and school, he has a wonderful, i mean, a politically wonderful undertone, a grievance, a resentment. you look at the biggest,
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more the more cation point in american politics. today is probably education. if you've had our an ira higher education at the university or college, you are probably not trust me. and probably this general rule. if you haven't had a higher education, if you work with their hands or your skilled craftsmen, for example, you're probably with trump. so that's, that's because i remember not loyal reading one of his speeches on tape. about those who live in our finest houses. those who went to our best universities there, there was basically defending the communist so very much he was always tired and there's a little bit of an eye semitism and put it lightly with there was a kind of an anti academic, a leap, the trump place on and then of course, joe george was to make your point, steve would talk about the point, the pony headed bureaucrats with their shake cases, with filled with peanut butter sandwiches. you know, you know, way of putting down there are bureaucratic elite ism make it look like fraud,
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which is what he wanted to do. they weren't really that smart, but they were carried out to shake his around to make himself looks martin official . yeah. this, these are common strange databases of racism, certainly ethnic credulous and anti lee and the academic lead, or in the strange going back the path you can. and i mean, kind of would say things like how that brandeis football team doing this year. he had very clever ways to get to get a lot of people. he knew what he's talking to do. there was a pro life crowd that had a lot of that they got it to get along with their own pro life position. it's donald trump, a patriot no. the great thing our country has going for it has been, has been the much miraculous marriage, honest elections. every 2 years for congress going back to 1789 or residential
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election every 4 years. this absolute belief in our electoral system electro college to the point where hillary clinton would lose by when by 404000000 votes, the popular vote just next morning. and now she lost with great grace. the same of the gore saying, jack would think next and that i can 60 when he met with jack kennedy after a very tricky elation. chicago with questions about dead people voting, instill he knew for the good of the country. how you should meet with kennedy did that following monday they drank, coax to go down the key. miss gaines, this gain hotel and my god, he just gave it to jack case. it's all yours. you have one, but there be no interruption or leadership during the call or was grand. even ted kennedy came out, said after dixon died said what would grace next and showed in that election and accepting its results. and he had reasons for complaint because texas had no procedure for re re counting. and there's certainly questions about cook county under dick daily so that all the family fathers just didn't put that in. they
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didn't do much concede defeat, you can, but it's almost like he has broken the unwritten role american politics. i have love that glory didn't concession speak a stories? are you with our producers and abortions on cover? please make a point to show as many concessions spaces as you can. i'll actually because it's what makes elections in the sacraments because they're, they're absolutely faithful to the democratic will. and even the guy or a woman who lose the said so that i last i let down my supporters. i said the verdict, the majority. i lost. he or she won. and hillary, don't everybody, john kerry john mccain. everybody has done that dutifully going back. that certainly in my life and stevenson, when he said beautifully, i'm too old to cry. but to it hurts too much to laugh. well, that's what we want from our leaders. is grace under pressure, and defeat. well,
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what chris, one of the things that gave me chills reading your book was the part the part of history that i didn't know. i guess it was in the sixty's. you can correct that if i'm wrong, when there was a bomb place in the rotunda of the capital, and that there were protests at that time. and protesters coming up the capital and that a congress person at that time told you, wow, i was worried what the police would do to these young kids out there out there, protesting. but it reminded me of just, you know, a flashback. but in that time, they did not break through to the capitol. they did not bomb the rotunda that didn't come through. but we saw another point in history with a very different outcome. yeah, that was bill. actually the very anti were women who are the had for worried ahead from the west side. she was very nice. she came up to me. she said, how like a regular person working person said my feet are killing, be to just chatting with me. can you, are you, you are, you say, i mean, you know, point made by monday, party miller haircut my short here and everything. and,
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and she was very warm and friendly, very friendly. and there also was a guy, a tourist, in that same vein who came up to me when i was, i was sort of controlling the west front of the capital right before the demonstration. this is the made a demonstration of 971. and he said he wants for me. i couldn't take you to tell you much contempt to add to that person. he thought i was so we'd like batting people over the head with a night stick. i don't know what he thought, but he thought that was cute to come up to be and he wants for me. but in tribute to the police leadership and notice day it was better than it is this year, january sets because to be prepared. i remember going down in the lower floor of the cab, i forget whether it was the mezzanine or it was the basement. there was a whole force of the shred team, people, all in riot gear. how much shields everything ready to go to work. if anybody did something really cause trouble, they kept them in reserve. just think they've done that simple thing. of having
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a cavalry really ready on the hill, it says on january 6, then they could have rushed to the doors with their shields, their right, you're stopped everybody calling in the capital and prevented the whole thing. but the leadership and the charges at arm and the leadership of the house, the senate didn't do that. they didn't prepare for the worst. and then they left their patrol and their regular officers to face that frightening mob with their regular civilian. that's their day to day, uniforms, day to day equipment. you know, they need to have night clubs. they all had it was guns, they really couldn't use. and so they weren't supposed to kill. you can set fire and then tomorrow americans like that. you can't use it, fire power, you can't, you, you can use that kind of violent force against americans who are demonstrating even if so forcefully. you can't just shoot people down, but they're not going basically disarmed. effect will be disarmed. the face that bob, that training mom and i believe it on the leaders, i want to see the best
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a geisha. i know why i know why the leaders wouldn't want investigation. why didn't you equip your rank and file police officers with the equipment and the backup? they needed that day. they need it back up. right. and i did it back in 71. they didn't do it this time. they didn't give them back up. ok, one of the question i want to get to and it kind of addresses in part, you know, when you left m. s. ebc and there was some, you know, turmoil around that at that moment. but i want to ask you quick when you read your book and you were john paul seconds, you know you were when the berlin wall came down. you were, you saw hungry when and hungry when the soviets were, were doing this. you saw these moments in an american life where, which were tense and lot of things happening. i'm just wondering if somehow the framing that our newer generations are bringing to america and a lot of the debates where we have right now are somehow they've got amnesia about all these other contributions of what it took to become an american. and whether or
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not we're brad, more fragile is a nation that we thing. and in terms of referencing, you know, the case of how we compliment each other or something. it seems to me to be so trivial compared to, you know, how we dealt with the vietnam war or how we deal with afghanistan and rock and hard choices out there that you covered. do you think we are falling into a trap becoming too self serious and lost when it comes to some of the big issues that america has to contend with? why need some issues the time has come that we address that you know, is addressed in maybe the best possible way, but certainly anesha gender equality at work, which is i guess the sort of the context in which i found myself in a situation back last year was i've been a big proponent of that. i mean, i always make sure my sunday shows that 5050 is arbitrary about a nasty nate and i created this sunday chris matthews show we insisted that every single sunday to be to manage when we said we're not going to do that. what i said,
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we couldn't find the right well, right game like that. we're not going to play games. there's always be equality here on the set, right? when i went to pick executive producers, i pick women generally really smart, best executives, i could find they were women. so i know we needed them with my wife as you want. when that was an anchor went to d. c. for 15 year she understood there was an inequality in the way they paid people the way they dealt with people. you could even anchored anchor people. so i was very sensitive about that, where i was out of date was recognizing really personally recognize that there is something truly wrong about complimenting someone's appearance at work. now everybody from every generation has their own view on it and my view was it was a legitimate complaint. and i could, i said, well i'm out of here. i was going to leave it to nbc nbc to try to put some sort of snake on me, some punishment, some kid i wasn't going to get involved in that lesson. ok, there was a complaint, it was honest, it was accurate. it was wrong. what i did was wrong, so now you and it's not, there's never been a clear the reporting on it was,
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i think, somewhat clear, but not that clear. well, certainly in my book, i make it clear what happens on the charleston company to south carolina primary, the next day i'm out of there. right. so it was cause and effect. why? i think you did a great job explaining, you know, what happened there, but it also raises interesting question of, where are we as a nation, are we, are we tribes that are all fighting each other or we are trying to understand each other, have empathy and kind of, you know, build a thing and you, i comes in, i'm going to ask you a question. your chris matthews, run hardball the night. i thought of some topics, you know, maybe you might cover, you know, biden's, belly flop on, you know, the infrastructure deal or might cover, you know, pulling out of afghanistan. or you might cover, you know, the role of jo mansion and whether or not center did you do that? i think if restrictions the key thing and as howard baker, the great former republican leader, the senate was you know, all you need to know about that from what you learned in arithmetic and about 3rd grade. you need 60 votes to break the filibuster. and so by need 60,
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he may have 55 now, but he need 63. and my question is, can we get the all the way, which is all part? because if i were running the show in the ban schumer's office right now in the white house, i would play hardball. and i would get 1st to make sure that every democrat was aware of all the projects, the roads, building, tunnels, bridges, all that stuff that needs work. is that right now in bad shape and they're state they're aware of and they tell their people about get the list county by ken, and that's what i did with frank watson, utah i went through, i didn't so like i went through every county and i list and i said, how many projects were shovel ready, ready to go, and should be done to sequentially getting funded? and then i tell everybody in my state, this is why i'm quoting for the restructure bill, because i need this work done here in my state in your state. i bring the issue home to people don't make it theoretically, big spending issue. democrats,
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democrats always lose that argument, they are expanders, don't let the issue be spending, make the issue. what needs to be done at home? david got the great number credit, consult the new york who got everybody like cautioned everybody, lindsey, everybody. he said, replace the smell kid, the k with the smell of construction, the smell of 3rd being moved. that's where people like, that's not about democratic republic, it's about stuff getting done in the public interest. don't let it be a near radical argument over spending, or the democrats could well lose the scene a quite not the bill they have to pass, which is the bipartisan infrastructure bill. if they lose that, i think they the republicans roll the table from here to next election november chris, we've got when this, when you get to what we've got about 45 seconds answer. yeah. great. good. yeah. well, i will talk about joe mentioned next time, but i was going to go, you know, just a few seconds, but i just want to ask you one big hardball question. are you a politician? it basically deep down in journalist clothing trying to burst out and how it is,
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you know, to our viewers who are thinking about politics and journalism. how do you keep those lines? right? and what is chris matthews really? well, what do you do? do is the difference i look at here. i was like mary mcgrory, peggy noonan. you can have a point of view that coincides a lot with one of the 2 political parties. when you have to be honest to your point of view, not the party you have to want to take them down when they're bad, when it's watergate or whatever it is, or monica, whatever it is. you have to be willing to separate your views, which normally coincide with the political party. one political party from loyalty to the party itself. you have to be independent, the party so and to its people. but you can be generally aligned with their points of view. but that's a big difference between being a partisan hack, right? slack working for the d. n. c or the are and see if you're just knocking out press releases. right. one of the political partners, you are a hacks. that's what i think. well listen, i think that's pretty strong. the book is this country, my life and politics in history and the author is chris matthews. legendary former
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tv host of hardball and m s and b. c. chris, thank you so much for being with us today. we've clemens, thank you so much for the big audience. so what's the bottom line? my guess today deeply believe that us democracy has its fragile moments, but that in the long run it's only going to get stronger. i'd love to share his shaking faith in this country's ability to correct itself and appeal to a higher angels. the truth is that america and what it stands for has come close to crashing down. so many times before the contest is real folks. there is no hollywood ending where the good folks are guaranteed to win and justice prevails. i hope chris matthews is right. wouldn't that be nice? but trump ism is winding up for another chance it bad q and on is america's biggest online conspiracy game. in reality show, it will take all the will and focus and work of americans to keep a country moving in a direction that we could really call democracy. and that's the bottom line. ah.
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