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signed by the ministry also, pilgrims cannot enter any camp except through the smartgate. those attending to the age between 18 and 65 vaccinated and 3 of chronic diseases on tuesday, which coincides with the day if i could fight the pentagon, return to mecca and amena valley for 3 more days over to 100. 1 additional ah, this is algebra. these the top stories i saw this time just wanted to see for a bomb attack that is, kills at least $31.00 people at a busy market and a rock went off in the crowded area of our city tuesdays. the 1st official day of eden iraq, so many people were out shopping for the holiday. moved overhead has more from the scene of the attack. when we're now in a little halo market, this is, were the explosion happened. the attack that killed and injured dozens of innocent
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civilians including women and children, re behind me not far from one where i'm standing now. the explosion happens hours ago and no security forces say that it is an exclusive device. investigations are still under way, and the government of prime minister must have all kinds of he has to go to a rest. again, it's the command of the police commander who, who's leading the security on it. patrolling the area in peru leftists pedro castillo through to make an announcement on the outcome of the presidential election 6 weeks after the vote. these pictures from a short time ago in lima, where people gather to the announcement the races between castillo and ride when contender for the more the result has been delayed by accusations of fraud made by switching the 2nd phase of filling the controversial ground. ethiopia,
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and renee sounds damn, is complete egypt and through don want a binding deal of the filling and the dams operations. if you open it says the project is essential to its development. was car room cairo rather and call to me fair. it could restrict their water, excess of gone, astonish, withdrawing his diplomatic staff from pakistan. after the brief abduction of the ambassadors, daughter, and the capitalism of all ral, between the neighbors has taken a turn for the worse. the african government accuses pocket's, dawn of supporting the taliban. it all comes the head of pakistan, hosting talk next week, following the withdrawal of foreign troops from going to some those are the headlines, so i'll have another uptake for you here on al jazeera right after the latest installment of inside story. news. news. news.
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news. this indonesia becomes asia's covert 19 epicenter, hospitals are overstretched. cemeteries are full, even vaccinated doctors are dying. so how did the outbreak spiral out of control? this is inside story. ah, ah, ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim. jim covered 1900, sweeping across indonesia, at alarming speed. it's overtaken. india is asia pandemic hotspot. the country recorded more than 34000 new infections and 1300 deaths on monday. although that's
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down from saturday's peak of nearly 52000 cases. this chart from the university of oxford, our world and data shows the numbers going up dramatically over the past month. researchers believe the real figures could be much higher because of low testing rates. the highly infectious delta variant is driving the surge. indonesia has the highest cobra, 1900 fatality rate, in se asia communities are relying on volunteers to bury relatives who died at home makes it graveyards, are working round the clock. hospitals are turning away patients because they don't have beds or oxygen. some are even telling people to bring their own oxygen supplies. the most likely i came here from suzana hospital. i feel 10 oxygen so induced last night and heat by 10 more cylinders. only 6 percent of indonesia population is fully vaccinated against covered 19. the countries relying on china's
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sent back job, which appears to be less effective. $114.00 doctors have died this month despite 95 percent of health workers being inoculated. the u. s. is donating 4500000 with darren of axioms, some of which will be used as booster shots. the government has bad, non essential travel over the muslim holiday. very bill of ha, to try and curb new infections. ah. all right, let's bring in our guess. joining us on skype from jakarta. irma, he'd ayana co founder of lap or covert 19 and independent corona virus. data initiative from brisbin, australia, dr. dicky booty, man, an epidemiologist, and ph. d. candidate on global health security at griffith university and also from jakarta, bung hurry moore. t a public policy analyst, a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us on inside story today . irma, let me start with you. many believe that the governments data doesn't reveal the extent of this covered 1900 crisis. what do you say to that?
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are the numbers being under reported? yes, it is. so we're as a citizen, reporting a data in this. yeah, actually we found we collect data from the grassroots level and this so that we saw that many like for example, many deaths are not being count corbett, 90 in depth. this is a real problem. and we also try to look at to the official a data at the city level and at the provincial level level and then at the central level. and unfortunately, there is a discrepancy of the number of death coffee, 9 been death, a deva that are released by beast left different level of government, the city level, provincial level and central level. so this call it 9 didn't data
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transparency remain here. it's a challenge for indonesia and s t v. you know that data is one of the key import an element to tackle this pandemic because without having a real data, without having that data that is accountable, that is reflecting that situation on the ground. i don't think that the decision maker could make an acid and based upon how the decision maker, in order to control the plan, to make bumble. we're seeing these heartbreaking scenes play out in different parts of indonesia right now, whereby you have people being turned away from hospitals, hospitals not having enough beds, hospitals not having enough oxygen. they're being oxygen shortages. just how stretch are the hospitals right now and from your vantage point, is the medical system close to collapse?
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well, i think it is actually basically sounds already collapsing. yeah. because now i have to add more to so many now cannot accept non creations. because if they are increasing the capacity for vision, he will write the treatment. yeah, it's clearly and not under that. you're also begin to see that many, many more people. busy died while they're doing their own in the independent isolation in their home. so many of the community helped generally see who job at was on the to do want me to down and to bring them to the hospital. busy getting worse now, and i have to worry them well because they didn't bring them up and many
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died in the ambulance on the fine that can accept them. in fact, i don't know, i guess it's a 900, almost 2000 people waiting at m. i didn't you inside and outside the emergency room, there are almost 1500 people in waiting to get emergency room. so you can imagine that many actually don't even bother or they just go around in the corner. and i'd go and try to find later they might be any openings. and somebody else, dickie, where do things stand currently when it comes to testing? are there enough, coven 19 tests that are being done to get an accurate count of the number of cases . on the monday since the beginning of the front of me, indonesia,
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the man in the low rate of testing and pressing capacity. and it's shown by the we can see the, the support specialist with the rate of these countries since the beginning of front of me up to now it's always above 10 percent. and it's mean and not a level also regarding day are community transmission is since april after now still in the slavery community transmission. and it's mean the country and many region in and reset cannot be divide. and also not only be in function cases, but also the class, then it's both the can the informal situation because then me see the what the my say and i was so they say that the government figure is not reflected
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the real condition in the community. and the main reason of this is how to find it . what if we cannot find the friction then how come we can cut the transmission? because isolation and current that is the main site that we have to do to cut the stance mission and the other things is that we face. now we've faced this very serious threat, which is the delta area and we just use not only by we cannot only dealing with this restriction, but we have to combine with barely extreme, not only 6 follow us thus that just thing thing thing something the testing capacity but for indonesia, i, i had extreme testing more than 1000000 a day. at least the find the, the infection among the community for your organization has been involved in collecting data related to cobra. 1900 cases across multiple sectors of society.
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let me ask you, what are the numbers like when it comes to people who've died from covered 19, who are in self isolation? right, that's a great question. i think it's we collect the data base on social media and mass media report and also at our local net works. and then we try and we get trying the lesions to make sure that we don't have double data to make sure that the data is accurate. enough, and since you, until now, we recorded that there are at least 112 people who died during the south isolation at their home as mentioned by them of bad so many families, so many people. so many passions have been turned away from one to another
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hospitals and resolved thing that they have to stay at home. they have to go around finding a medical help and then let them let some of them died at home without any help when i wanted to. and besides that, the number of the health care workers in indonesia who died from office 19 is also very big. so, so far over the past one and a half years, we recorded that more than 1440 helped workers of ross indonesia who guide from august 19th and this month alone. in july we are not yet in the end of july. so this month on the, there were 224 year war girl who died from corbett 19. so this is very,
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very disappointing. this is a very sad situation, norma and i remind you that let me just sorry to interrupt you, but let me just ask when it comes to that point about the record number of health workers who have died due to covert 19, i've seen the reports there have been doses moderne as sent by the us to indonesia and that the plan is to, you know, give them their novak seen as a booster for the health care workers. why have the health care workers been so vulnerable and will more be done to protect them going forward? i think dr. dickie would be the great person to answer this question, but let me just jump in very shortly. i think because the transmission from the virus, the magnitude off the panda, me, it's to way too big for us this make so many patients comes through the hospitals. so the hospital, many hospitals across jaffa and bali island, they're all full. so can you imagine when the hospital for recover at night,
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the patient, you can imagine the transmission for the virus around inside the hospital. and then the number of health worker also at the race in faction to also the virus because they are very in and, and they are constantly continuously helping the passion, the patients in the hospital. so they're very pro and, and they're all bear. we in a race of infections and also to be a need to know the the presence of delta very and as for the fact in, i guess dr. gabe, would you my choice would be the right answer. yeah. are i, dickie? let me go to you then and throw the same questionnaire way. first of all, will more be done to protect health care workers in indonesia. why is the situation so bad for them right now? so seen it truly,
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almost 90 percent of our co workers already got these facts in 6 months ago more than 6 months ago. then i can see the analyze for the, from the light, the situation that seems the center of a box in decreasing the effectiveness 50 effectively the, again, the are in protecting the, the had to walk us. so it's mean that's very important point. and this analyze is related to the finding from the but still not published yet. but the 2nd one if seems the it's sin of a fax in less event the if activity is less effective again the new party and especially the party. and so that's why i'm the said that one of the demo you so you know, the show who can find the government since last month this, our co workers need more protection. and in the situation we need to wooster
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because i'm already mentioned. that's correct because they are very phenomenal because the number of the specialty increasing and of course, during the situation ex house the, you know, a day that will, they will be a point of the weakness when they feel ex houses. so of course then these, these, these transmission will be easy to get and, and of course, as the one also the demolition in the world will contribute the w h or definition now to the development, the definition of i also and hire bon, i can say that it what then see of these still the very end in, in transmitting through these airborne recognition when i was very effective and, and that's why we can see from problem, what's your patient even neesha is easy even from in, in, in the household in one. let's say one room in much needed
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in a heartbeat. almost 100 percent off. secondary i take great. so we can then see what the model is already mentioned, the number of these breakthrough in a fiction among how killed because he's increasing and when the, the data number. so again, that's why these protection is very important. not only draw from what by the provide then nation, but also strengthening the infection control and especially the percent protection equipment. among why you have vaccination rates been so low in indonesia. and also officials have indicated that they want to vaccinate around 3 quarters of the population by early next year. based on what you've seen so far, is that even possible? i think i have to disagree with your sanction battery because
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it's in the region mentioned rates in indonesia is quite high. i think we have done more than 41000000 proxy nation. 60000000 already on the 2nd shot. but the problem is we are not using the most effective oxygen we are using. she was reached in later studies in biological, wendy, not effective again, the downtown area. and therefore there is a need to we actually made the health worker and those application. and i think about 2 days that they already started giving that the more they're not jenny, dr. strong, the union indonesia. and then we're going on right now. i think about a 1000000 people between 800-0021 point 1000000 people. so in some of oxygen agent
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and then the job is, i think i'm wrong. yeah. but you have a very big reason, but we don't get good. i mean, the most effective proxy and how many trying to then me guy that by you know, getting why several more, they're not and then it. and now i got into planning that we started or goes at risk back. we have to wait. how do we but i'm on my on that i can i think they've gotten me quite good back. he just had to clean up the mass less like the previous community. irma, how much of a problem is the spread of misinformation in indonesia when it comes to combating the virus? i mean, has that been a major obstacle? that's part of an a major off obstacle. so be actually,
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i would say we have 2 different miss information or miss information and this information. so we have a 5th, so many missed information from the beginning of the pen to me. but also there is no specific and there is no strong a ford from the government to address this information this talk. so it's been around since the 1st time of the pandemic here. and then the secondly, unfortunately when there is no action to address this miss information to actually i could see it's the situation. it's getting worse. actually. some off the golfer been represent that dave actually also mentioned a non shy and tiffin, a joke that that doesn't necessarily they do that which makes public even in the confusion like for example, we are
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a very strong community because we are there be a religion that we are, we will not get to ask because off it and then we have so many local tribunals toward that would make us stronger if a bit against the virus and so on and so forth, which all of them would not base on the there is no lack of the risk next time, basic based off of these situations. in fact, actually the government should implement the risk on many occasions, meth, or a way in delivering or in giving a statement to public that way. the public would a more alert into the real situations and this also includes the problem off the transparency. so when the data is transparent and accountable at and when the government published and called me on the and then pro more base situations,
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the real situation that would make public more educated on pad. and also it would raise the public awareness and also alertness about the situation. so this alert nice would lead the public to follow the health protocols that the government asked the big 2 adair on it. but also i wanted to make a comment on the vaccinations because based on their survey that we had, we had a couple of times the survey i'm checked in and see, but it's on the limited in the capital city of indonesia and the findings. we found that people are still of those who are still happy, that even though only a one off the jack populations are very small numbers. but it's still matter because we need to make sure that all of the population effects in there that but this one 3rd of the population, they are still has it. then you'll get the fax it into because of the hollow issue
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. and then that as a cause, see matter and then the side effects and so on as of what so there's been a big homework by the government that they have to address the situation in this way. they, they have to make sure the advantage off vaccinations that the, the benefit of actually nation up where you in the race. so i would say we need promotion. so we need serious accompany cation of both factory and, and, and also the, the government all wish mentions about heart immunity, hurt me they had, in the day it's been going around since the 1st time we have the facts in. and ashby bumble mentioned that indonesia is one of the fastest. com 3 who wrote that will all the facts unique and i agree in some numbers. yes it is. but the way,
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how does this number does this number extract this enough, are getting the more the most vulnerable people, the more foreigner but brooks, that is very detrimental in order to make sure that the whole population are most population will get the immunity. because when we wanted to fax in bourbon, wanted to build the immunity of the population, heart immunity. irma irma, you need to make sure erm i'm, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we are starting to run out of time. and i just wanted to ask dickie another question here, dickie. there had been come before that gatherings over the reed and fit their holiday might accelerate the number of infections in indonesia and authorities had tried to ban people from returning to their home towns. my 1st question to you is, was enough done at that time. now there is concern that people may try to travel or gather during the read the holidays. and i wanted to ask you how concerning is that at a time when cases are surging as much as they are it will berry berry have him give
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him said he was in implication to the hour under mister rich, because now we are approaching our pick up our cook, and in, in the same time, we are now facing this party on which we know is very effective in class there among the people, even in very even the been people who already fully vaccinated. so it's mean both of them. can. we also infect that, so then during the eat, if dawn do enough restriction or give the city literacy to the community that the mobility, the really she and i and in the nation shouldn't be mean mice or limit and we will face and others should case of these, you know, not only another, but it will accelerate the number of people who we need more money in hospital and
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also people dying because now, you know, nisha is already where they put and i will because the most number one is i was already the x was due to the slave fighters because for almost 16 minute in silence, the me because the law of the states thing and basing capacity. so then without natalie. so we, we are now in reading know the situation. so you now move and without enough control, then this most port number one will be easy to get infected, especially in. now we will see we already see actually now in roller aria number of cases is increasing. so when they move the code, they go back to their home on the, on the problem will be spread more faster than, than, than one. what, what's the major before? so again,
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i do hope that government will limit it localisation, especially not only because of the honor, but of course, because the, the, either in the side that the, our, how for silly these already. well, so this is, this is very serious addition regarding the all right, well we have run out of time, so we're gonna have to leave the conversation. no, thank you so much. all of our guests are my heat, ayana, dickory, buddy, man, and bon bon. had more to and thank you for watching. you can see this and all of our previous programs. again, anytime by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at a j inside story for me. mm hm. a jim german, the whole team here, bye for now. the
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