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the vatican in a scaled back service this year due to grow new virus restrictions francis offered his blessings to the wild and also his followers not to lose hope during this pandemic exit polls in bulgaria show the center right to go party of prime minister boy called for so it is predicted to win this election this would make it a 4th time and powerful bias of this development comes after months of anti-government protests and amid a surge in corona virus cases the opposition campaigned on restoring trust in state institutions and reducing poverty gary is the poorest member station it has the blocks 2nd highest private $1000.00 death range. $22.00 indian security personnel have died during a raid on a maoist rebel hideout in eastern chad has goss stage one maoist fighters who was killed the moussa fought the government for more than 4 decades now demanding land and jobs for farmers. well those are the headlines on the news hour for you here on
hello and welcome to the program m how much of june europe saw a downturn in corona virus cases at the beginning of this year but now infections are soaring in the majority of countries with more than 1600000 cases recorded last week the world health organization says the rapid surge is worrying and it's warned of what it calls the continent's unacceptably slow rollout of vaccines could prolong the pandemic europe's inoculation program has been hit partly by delivery delays and that's led some countries to reimpose restrictions and lockdowns with many tightening their rules for the easter holiday and the baba reports from london weekend in rome and people out and about enjoying these to break but remind us of the coverage in $1000.00 restrictions and of a far away lot of my family but i think the pew do not need to be more than a year now seems the 1st restrictive measures were imposed in italy we will probably among the 1st countries to come fully submerged in sea and people a tiny bit well they have a way that protecting health is essential in these times. all regions are now
classified as red zones people can leave home to exercise or to visit relatives once a day but police are checking nobody's travelling between regions for the content i'm glad they are doing checks it means something is working in this whole mess. over in leone in southeastern france this man was one of thousands getting a coronavirus job inside the city football stadium on saturday with intensive care units as full as they were last april the country speeding up its vaccination program over easter for newman point it doesn't get in the press falling tae isn't for the people who come here is these are quite stressful times by doing this hopefully we can get through it and quickly from saturday there's a nationwide curfew between 7 pm and 6 am president emanuel says authorities will take a relaxed view this weekend if people travel beyond the permitted 10 kilometers but from monday night they'll be checking such journeys are essential. in spain traditional easter possessions
a cancelled but in barcelona some have been making the most of the weather spain still in the state of emergency in new cases have been rising a new national law says people have to wear a mosque outdoors and gatherings of more than 6 people are banned in this region but here at least they're taking a measured approach in britain police forces have asked people not to travel long distances over the holiday while the prime minister's issued his own reminder you can reach up. to hospital 6 people outside with outside mostly. breaking the speed of the u.k.'s vaccination program means the government is on track with what it calls its cautious irreversible roadmap to freedom but it's still urging the public to be careful not to al-jazeera london. the e.u. the vaccine rollout has fared poorly compared to other developed economies so far only around 10 percent of the blocks $900000000.00 people have received even one
vaccine dose in the u.k. and nearly half the population of $67000000.00 have had a 1st jab in the united states president joe biden is promising to deliver $200000000.00 shots by the end of the month so far almost 30 percent of people in america have received a dose the slow pace of the vaccination campaign could hamper economic recovery the block is predicted to grow less than 4 percent next year the u.s. and u.k. are expecting nearly double that. all right let's bring in our guests in reading in the u.k. we have simon clark associate professor in cellular microbiology at the university of reading in grenoble in france barry pradelle ski associate professor of economics at the national center for scientific research and inverts berger many. political analyst and a huge on one a professor at stanford university in berlin welcome all of you to the program rick let me start with you today so the world health organization has sharply criticized
europe's vaccine rollout as unacceptably slow just how bad is the situation currently and how much could this potentially be prolonging the pandemic in europe . well of course it would be much better if we would had blue print that we quit apply from previous examples but this is not the case it's the 1st time that the european union as a coordinating body is responsible for something like managing a pandemic and what are we discussing your of is that it makes much more sense to join forces and to prepare everything collectively but as it turns out this is much slower and fall less effective than what we can experience in israel in the united kingdom or in the united states it doesn't mean that it was the wrong approach but that is something we only learned retrospection simon the w.h.o. has also warned that the speed with which the virus is spreading could increase the
risk of new variants developing in the region how real is that threat and from your vantage point how worrying is it. to make a real threat but trying so virus you get from person to person and then they get in from the us and the bone virus is produced and every time a evolve as particular juiced there is the opportunity for a new variant to arise and they will arise all the time but very rarely you will get you a variant which transmits better well perhaps variant will be able to close disease or perhaps may be less sensitive to the action of the vaccine so i louay. the virus to spread just simply increases the chance of mutation barry how dire an effect is all of this having on european economies right now and how much will these new restrictions disrupt supply chains and factories especially for countries
like spain and france and germany as countries who is economies are really interlinked. yes i think the impact on the economy is tremendous and it will seem like a short mid and long term impact of poor strategy it will out in europe and in most part the west if you look now at countries who implemented litigations their code strategy their back to growth countries like china australia you know and many others f.t.p. positions for 2021 of the 2019 which are plus quite a percent and yet in europe we are predicting 2021 to me you know of percent below 2100 so this will have a very long term effect for europe's economy if there is uncertainty of the only fact long knockdowns and there is no deference tempi investment temporary metals assets but ultimately. global balance of economic power and reshipped with europe is not. acting to get control of those so as we know germany is one of the
countries that impose strict pandemic restrictions the president says the health situation has led to a crisis of trust in government policies frank walter steinmeier on saturday conceded there were mistakes and urged germans to pull together even about i'm going to be given this your expectation for those in government is clear get it together let's all get together deacon patriots let's bring forth what we're made of we are not world champions in dealing with the pandemic but we're not a total failure either we are the republic of germany we doubt a lot but we're capable of a lot and it's capability not doubt that counts now of oil rigs or statements like that that you just heard from the german president signal to you that european leaders are learning from past mistakes at this point. well they do learn from past
mistakes but we constantly find ourselves in a new situation because the pun demick doesn't follow a script what the situation is today is very different from last year and domestically the situation changes a lot germany is sort of slowly getting into an election campaign we will it replace i'm going to macalester the chancellor who was in the chancellor has since 2005 and there's also changes the way politicians talk about the pandemic and it resonates in the public so the debate is different as well as the challenge of the pandemic simon does the e.u. have enough vaccines to slow the spread of coronavirus. i'm not sure we know how much stock they've got that's not being a minister that always waited to be 2nd to some people but i've heard stories of a grim 1000000 cases of oxo that's true that i. sat on shelves in france i don't know
how true that is but also if they're not giving it to certain people then then why have it what what's that the use of it but it does seem that that that isn't enough vaccine generally speaking. across the you particularly in certain countries and that of course will mean that it's much more difficult to keep a lid on infection numbers when they're finally brought under control barrie how bad a job did the european commission do when it came to negotiating with the vaccine companies manufacturers. well i think it's not only a commission to blame i think we have new approach to problem the. responsibility of the european commission was not given before that richard mentioned the 3rd thing to all of the member countries could have done a better job to support the commission fundamentally market forces that we not understood. if we would invest it like other countries like yet the u.k.
or israel early on not only saying we don't procure accents but in back into production capacities collaborated with the different companies are kind of back back since you could actually produce much more so the argument is that some countries like us u.k. israel have been selfish if mostly by supporting companies and creating vital centers europe could lead to an increased production so looking more like nation to everyone rather over rick how much did the e.u. underestimate possible complications and delays in vaccine production from your vantage point what were the biggest mistakes made by the e.u. when it came to vaccine procurement. well if we compare the european union with what happened in the united states the approach was a very different it was kind of a legal estate we sign a contract with a company that produces a certain amount and then we have a fine like driving at site on in the united states it was a much more
a market economy approach and which they came with a lot of money and incentives and it was kind of a rat race to find out who's the winner who can benefit the most from this huge incentive to preview was you know on a large scale in a short time and that was a very different approach and now the united states can provide exene on a much larger scale and joe biden is doing a much better job and he joined the european union but that is as we said before not just the problem of the european commission it was just a different approach and apparently he didn't need to have the same successes as in the countries that are much better than the u. members simon e.u. member states are allowed to strike separate deals with vaccine makers that have not signed agreements directly with the e.u. you know from your perspective does that help the situation or does that complicate it for them that maybe it complicates it i don't quite know the details of your
big mission this to be vaccines but it might take a look at. what other countries do djibouti is bulls i think quite a few of those it's all the pfizer vaccine but countries like hungary approaches logs going through. this but make 5 vaccine so it's going to be sorry so really that changes the picture of how many total gross is a vaccine a country has and really you have to offer the question i think if people are if if that's within the rules then what is the point of having a coordinated system. barry when it comes to economic recovery how are you countries doing compared to other countries whose economies have been ravaged by the pandemic and they're doing very poorly. so look at europe we are still right now in many countries in the 3rd lock down in many ringback countries also an
australian zealand where elimination was favored of the strategy there will be on top of demick their service sectors recovered since the last spring it's been 2020 and also look at g.d.p. numbers numbers are there to pre-crisis growth within europe we're still months 4 percent below 2000 time to levels and importantly to pensioners this is why then europe we have 50 times almost 50 times more death and in countries who opt for a nation so the whole idea of health workers well since parity here is after 12 mother to put them in remission you did and we see now that those who use the death by quickie aiming for the nation and doing all of of testing end of its mission they also are able to go back to economic growth and economic stability or a cow big of a problem in europe right now is vaccine has a 10 c. and has the fact that the rollout of the vaccine been so sluggish in e.u. countries impacted how people think about the vaccine has it perhaps increased the
levels of hesitancy. well the political price is certainly very high and what is said about the upcoming elections not only in germany but also in france next year will be massively affected by how much do we trust in the communication policy off the people in power so this is definitely a high price we pay on the other hand countries like france have been always very reluctant to trust in the nation in general and now we see that many more people are willing to go for a treatment because they believe that it's much better than trial and error law and figure out if the long term consequences of worth taking the risk so there is a different attitude towards it but i think politically speaking the costs certainly the highest simon there are some e.u.
countries that paused their rollouts of the astra zeneca vaccine over reports of blood clots among a small number of people who'd received a dose of that astra zeneca vaccine other countries restricted its use among older people over concerns that the company had not provided enough testing data the w.h.o. and the european medicines agency say the benefits of the vaccine outweigh any risks but how much has this entire issue and the coverage of it impacted public confidence in the vaccine and how much has it complicated the rollout of the vaccine. well i think the public confidence will only be with only know about that hi fi think a devil trouble work it will grab people's attention but it really is important with from things like this to to be clear with people that by listening to what we're being concerned about one set of risk that is the possibility of god cults you're ignoring a much bigger risk and that is from cave 90 so i think people's perceptions of
risk are really important and really need to be rippin related to help in understanding the relative risk between this tiny risk that seems a blood clot may not actually sure whether it's any higher than the general on vaccinated population and the risk from picking up the virus and getting seriously ill from it barrie i saw you nodding along just on what simon was saying there did you want to jump in. the back of absence of a claim to make it less than 10 percent take it back in but it is an epidemic a very important to note. as a government cabinet minister back in which is. putting the population at risk but they're all restricted minuscule compared to the risk of colored and the risk of covered not only high full head of the same for the older population but it's also high for the younger population in many cases of long hose now with heart problems among young people with chronic fatigue so i think one quarter standard for
everybody even their own interest not only the population bases cation is actually in use the right choice simon let me go back to you because i saw you reacting a lot to what barry was saying there and see if you want to also go ahead and expand on that. yeah i agree with everything he said that i think the risk attributed to younger people is on the state to do it has been in the u.k. anyway here in the u.k. during the basically over the past 12 months we've had more men in their forty's who are intensive care units we've traded 90000 people men and women over 85 so there is this perception that anybody about 60 really is a. risk and in their fifty's you'll be very unlucky if you get seriously ill if it's false that it's they dress well rick how much have the disputes between the e.u.
and britain over exports of the astra zeneca vaccine complicated the overall situation when it comes to the rollout well we had already a very complicated situation because of the endless debates we had all the pranks it now i think this is just another chapter and we are in the middle of complicated trade deals and you know chill distrust and whatever story is exist on both sides of the channel so it is just another importance that i mention in a very complicated relationship right now i mean just to follow up with you will rick i mean what you're kind of talking about there is the the you know these divisions that exist within leadership in the e.u. i mean this really has as has put a spotlight on you know all the bureaucracy that the e.u. deals with how difficult it is to come to agreement has it not. well it's not so much a question of iraq receive it's the very nature of the european union as something
which is not the united states of europe this is a group of sovereign states that coordinate certain policies on a super national level and they had decided in the pas that they do something in health like the registration often pharmaceuticals but they have never decided that upon demick should be central the central. steared or a coordinated and now the european commission and the different bodies that are involved including the heads of state income and they learn the hard way what it's like to coordinate something that in a much more centralized political system is national leaders decide on behalf of the whole country so we might see similar to previous prices great appetites 2 or do they have more on the european level but that will certainly affect the very nature of the sovereign member states and whether each and every country is willing
to pay this political price remains to be seen very what needs to happen in order to get things back on track and economically throughout europe but i think accommodation is very important and only mentioned at the top most you can union is not the united states of europe but we have to principle also to guarantee state that you it should act when it's better placed in its member states and key if you're lucky and economically you are as highly interconnected. so a europe should not know what it already up this way a commission all the european council you can. control so it take many joint steps they should act together intimate on policies they intimate rezoning but in trying to protect green zones which have is put out between it could be extremely important to economically come back on the feet in particular that the european countries has to isn't it be able to allow some of it to seem to happen within europe by allowing people to travel between countries when it's safe to do so would
be very important whole economic prosperity in europe and also to put increased the gap between disallows and those which already exist in europe well rick i saw you nodding to some woodberry was saying that you want to jump in here now if we just take a country like greece which it's most important sector is tourism their loss is 70 percent if they don't find any alternative way of organizing saved systems to allow people to get the wrong needed. tourism and go on vacation it's not only terrible for the country but it's also coming with a lot of mental consequences that have also not been addressed in the beginning when it was all about how can we save lives so they are so many different overlapping russian else in the whole function that. in that turn off the endemic we learned that we also have to include other points of view and to find
a balance and that makes it so incredibly hard to decide what is right and what is the wrong decision simon their pain commission said last month that it was considering emergency approvals for vaccines do we know where that stands currently . you know they will be making their. decisions privately and far as i'm aware they will be having discussions with the regulators in member states who will have their own views and. preferences and questions that they want to dress before anything is. approved but i don't think we know what stage any of the process exactly when we will have about a minute let me just ask you generally which countries in the you are facing the biggest challenges right now well from what i was see from the numbers sweden that was always a special case sees a very high number of infections but this is more from the health point of view
when we look at the political consequences and the fatigue i wouldn't put germany very high because people generally are very satisfied with their political leaders but if it would have elections not in september but next week the current corelation will face a massive loss so the pentameter will have political consequences this can still change over the summer but it remains to be seen if the government is willing and able to convince the people that they're doing the right thing all right we've run out of times we're going to have to leave the conversation there thank you so much all of our guests simon clarke very pronounced the and all rick wagner and thank you for watching you can see the program again any time a visiting our website al-jazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is at a.j.
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