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a constitution and hopefully becomes as soon as possible before next year's rest of us a lot. of priority is to deal with the needs and difficult living conditions of the citizens such as lack of cash flow power cuts and the coronavirus epidemic. i'm very happy that libyans are united and agreed on something we are done with war there is now room for thought to be able to sign a 111. is there we need hope for peace in libya that is the topic of our show today you can join in the discussion by jumping into the comments part of today's show. hello an ass hello how hello had none really good to see welcome back to the stream good to have you and last remind our audience who you are and what you did. for
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them is an asshole good luck to you i'm the founder and director of the aaa but a supplicant streets good to have you hello hello introduce yourself it's a remind them what you did here ha ha now i'm high level guy i guess i'm about a quarter of those who are congress wants to be republican. and then really get to see him on the stream tell audience he well what. i am finance and i'm the senior libyan researcher at human rights watch maher lust for this hope that hate this this is reaction i want to get this still immediate reaction just by quick face we're so we can see what your mood is right now is they have a new hope for peace in libya was i starting point for the conversation i guess. absolutely i think that you know there is a permanent cease fire that is in place every bit of a hold is a day that i live in life is saved there is a government of national unity which means that there's a unified cabinet the council to deliver services to look at so i think and that's
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part of the issues that libyans are faced has been responded to and i think that's optimistic chapter for libya's future but there's still some question suspects that we have to kind of dive into so a little bit had a. so i'm not going to disagree with what you said i must but i would say that there are some massive challenges still ahead the biggest challenge is really to move libya from utter chaos to a place where there is respect for the rule of law where the functioning traditionally line for cement and where that of there is actually a cost attached to the killing of a human being and that is currently not the case. definitely there is a momentum at the moment in libya as i have said there is a ceasefire we have seen stability for a or a few weeks so absolutely there is a momentum for peace and we need to build on that this bad the challenge so a guess one of the things that this new government of national unity did was the
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1st things i did was you foreign fighters you need to get out of the country we asked one of our bigger members of our community we asked them what is it like to be living in libya where for the slightest work based there and this is what he told us have a look have a listen as a person whose entire extended family was this boy's grin you during our. own tripoli. hearing from an area. which was heavily mined by one american. market very 1st on the mound misery and it was. hard to do all. if you think. oh for an interview. you are in libya right now what is it like to be living there and there are foreign fighters in the foreign troops in your country. i mean it's generally the feeling
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that you are not safe and you know did that you know look at the case to where and then stop any time soon and i think this feeling you know you are i mean the feeling that you are on a cat any time that things would escalate and the water are stopped again is what we're seeing all of that it begins and i think the feeling also knowing that there is that 10. bases in libya we feel that we don't have on the other our own company and this is. this makes us. i mean it's absolutely something that we don't think the latter could appreciate that we want to change immediately and that's feels like a bolster to say yes to that maybe if i can add something to those i would say that i agree with. really what it was down to is that killing with impunity has been normalized and looking on for many many years
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a sitting member of parliament can disappear in benghazi and a year and a half later no one knows where she is a lawyer can be gunned down or abducted and nobody will identify the killer so you know these are sort of the more systemic issues that libya faces so with the presence of or without the presence of foreign fighters i think it has to be accomplished that there are a very large number of fighters that have been operating with impunity in libya so it's more or less 2011 in the different conflicts under different phases that libya has been to but it has been a situation of total chaos and if there's anyone left any foreign fighters left. i think to the most news in libya this 20000 mostly is good the u.n. can live export reports. it tells you that many libyans themselves are tired of fighting the fighting and just wars that i would also agree with one has said you know that the crimes that have to the taken place and the very absence of any kind
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of judicial result holding to account any kind of investigation open and transparent investigation into those into those actions kind of tell you that whether it's mostly is there in the fighting or militias doing the following or even the groups that call themselves a military doing the fighting if no one is held to account that it doesn't give much of them isn't that if a new conflict is to start again there's a cost that that's that so that's that's really where my fear is as well so i have to go with with what we're both and i don't have that i'm just thinking also what the reaction was to table within libya when when foreign fighters were telling you you need to go one step more a sense of making the country in and in your country men and women feel like you have ownership of your own country again absolutely yes i think this is this is this is exactly what. most of the people we feel that we come how we lost control of the country and we feel somehow most of the libyan feel that they were
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left left alone even from the international community having all those tubes having all this weapons unguarded nobody held accountable for this so yes there is some sort of bitterness if i may say among the again regardless. the u.n. is very little president and ask his last. just very briefly you know one of the major issues with the most news is that whilst you know there are safe 3 countries in particular that have been a bit most recent over the last 18 months turkey has that have been most recent to libya but has been very transparent about its mechanism for the neighboring missouri is that right that the president of turkey has come out and said this there was a parliamentary session to send them over and i think that the libyan foreign minister himself national language last week when she requests of those most news leave no one is kind of and in the demo in the dark about those most news on the other side there are russian most injuries syrian musters the rules of the neighborhood by russia and you know it out emirates over the last 18 months those
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countries refuse to acknowledge. that they delivered to me is the former foreign minister that went to moscow only several months ago requested his counterpart sergey lavrov to remove those messages and he said i don't know which ones are talking about so there's a real issue here with even just the basic truth about who is in the country who is fighting in the country and if you can't even acknowledge that you have delivered messages i mean the u.s. africa command has already had a little bit images of them reuters news was delivering images of them in may 2020 but he york times reported on them everyone knows who is there apart from the very governments that delivering them so it's this aspect of not even being able to kind of tell the very basic aspect of the truth and if that's what they're that it really tells you how much can the libyan government a new fragile government do to push them out beyond rhetoric this is going to need the international community to kind of take control and force them out or use the climate of measures to force them out but i guess i'm sure my other. colleagues are better at ideas than myself but it's a real head scratcher on this one. but i mean building on what you say.
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especially regarding the fact that you know all these foreign governments and other foreign entities as you rightly mentioned be it private motor companies etc that are active in the libya context that makes it very very complicated we have not yet seen really massive change or exchange really on the ground so this will remain cheap rhetoric this will remain sort of you know call that you know everything's ok now and you have foreign ministers such as the german foreign minister saying that you know libya is a diplomatic success how can you say that a country that has just come out of a major armed conflict where the population really is reeling from that conflict with serious matters placement civilian casualties disappearances land mines that are killing and maiming civilians and destruction of vital infrastructure where you know during a pandemic where hundreds remain missing how can you say that that is
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a diplomatic success when you know you have security council members who are actively blocking the sanctioning of anyone who has unlawfully and against the arms embargo or delivered weapons to libya including fighters so this is where the crux of the problem really lies yes if i may that your conversation is inspiring some conversation each of us and questions for you so let me just ask this of you. because. king is asking is it just that every european country wants the oil and so they're sending their troops and russia king is trying to work out what other troops are doing in level. i think it's really simplifying the. issue you're seeing you could saying that they're only at the oriel. absolutely more than that i mean yes all is
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a big sheryl. i mean has it's part of the problem and of course nobody would send their troops or do what we do without having something in return but also libya has a very strategic position in india manipulate any and it can be used as you know a power of bargaining to do some of these you know a country which was interfering in libya and i think just you know simplifying it only or all it's not giving god whole picture i think also the location also the problem i mean it was the goodwill between africa and europe or instance and some some countries are really using this as a car or a bag or what about the position and i think and this may be can give more insight on the show and alice can i just give you one more year to question just a builder or holloa say mixi says libya is by essence no longer
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a sovereign state since the west invaded once the west invade is space this as usual everything is for sale and are scared. it's actually the east that invaded last i mean russia is considered eastern and the usa is the east i mean these are the 2 countries that led the offensive well for the last several years what the west did to its discredit was to destroy the very the very bickel that climatic global vehicle that we were lying on to maintain peace and order the u.n. security council has stopped it from using its vital security council resolutions and just blocked them blocked them to give a very old man after the ability to wage a war and also has allies in the u.a.e. russia and france russia and france being 2 members of the u.n. security council the ability to continue that war undeterred facing no condemnation and i sanctioned i would go into what hell i was setting out to run which is that ultimately libya has battle is almost like the great game if you look at afghanistan over the 19th century this great game for
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a battle of influence and interest and ideology some countries in libya and simple in shorts some are playing chess some are playing checkers checkers meaning that they have very binary options some coming for economic interests turkey russia certainly turkey when it comes to its economic and maritime an interest in libya trying to get oil and natural gas out of the east the mediterranean from the ocean and really rewriting the maritime boundaries between libya and turkey. egypt you could argue is also it was an aspect you could say that even russia has certain particular aspects there but i would also say that it's kind of playing chess is this just reject ambition because libya's place in the words being a nato southern flank nato being a hugely important military body a trans national coalition it's forcing and making fissures between countries turkey and france who support various sides within one civil tone as does does that make for a not for a must think like does that make the people of libya the pawns in this game of absolute right sacrificial born let's test this let's talk about the people of
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libya and i want you to listen to this comment comes from another how man who is based in benghazi have a sense of what she has to say and the media and come off the back of it in benghazi the every day life in the business plan to pay for fundamental crises to cash and put it in crisis which created financial problems for every to be homeschooled the interesting questions which make power cuts and blackout a common occurrence in the country the housing crisis which made medical services very hard to create and this was further exacerbated by the by the media and finally this is pretty crisis which medians and safe and vulnerable to human rights abuses. i think hand raises start of the key issues that have been plaguing libyan civilians in different parts of the country for a very long time i mean in most parts of the country really it started with 2014 when this big company started. their bets and i think you know the issue is
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specifically with regards to the tele t's and the public services and the decimated health care system and economics and so on all of these issues are really tied to the very core issue of central authority which has been decimated and has broken down and is longer there and from my point of view unless there is a strong you know situation where you have a functioning digital system where you have law enforcement that is functioning where you have criminal investigation departments that are functioning where courts are functioning at full capacity and are able to adjudicate fairly unless you have a situation like that there will be impunity and if there isn't punitive there isn't going to see at any level impunity at the level of the financial markets means frog it means that large amounts of cash in the form of letters of credit or otherwise are being allegedly or reportedly taken or stolen by
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for the purpose of the war for example it also means that any kind of subsidies that go into the health sector that go into any other other sector are pocketed by people so really what you really need is to what i said in my initial remarks is to move the country into into a rule of law respecting country. i'm thinking about the ceasefire how is the seesaw holding up the cease fire deal. so far it is holding there was recently as is it for the credit committee ceasefire money for the committee from their u.n. security council. but in my opinion it is fragile it's the it's i mean the cease fire agreement has so many provisions within it and not all of it has i mean like opening the road the coastal road between the east and west it's
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been weeks now or maybe 2 months that they are trying to reach an agreement on this but the distance to the committee is responsible in this still didn't reach an agreement and beside you know stopping the actual military acts in the country nothing further has happened in this i. mean looting is excluded in this agreement so that's why in my opinion it is a for jives of are can be provoked any time nascar has. yeah i think i agree with with that it's so fragile but i also say through the negotiations into the g.n. you this new government of national unity that they were able to achieve that the libyan national army had about those forces that attacked tripoli were probably able to take out more through negotiations than they were to take out of the war they had a president or the head of the presidential council that is more amenable to the side that they based in eastern libya from eastern libya he went to go and visit after his 1st act as as the newly appointed president they also have
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a number of seats within this new cabinet government the final aspect and i think this is goes back to where libya is a decade after the arab spring a decade after the revolutions that led to the demise of get their feet 10 years ago this aspect which is really the political culture of the country whether libya will become a 70 and stay at democratic states or whether return back to military rule to become an authoritarian state that is still up for grabs the very same actors that work alongside after his but his are his partner an ally in arms i get a solid he still controls and is still considered to be the supreme commander of the armed forces in and pass a constitutional amendment last month so there's been a transfer of prestige from some government in the east some government in the west to a unified government but there hasn't been a transfer of power without that transfer of power there's a serious dilemma because the armed forces in a sleep after the launched an offensive 18 months ago i don't accountable to this new g.m. you they can't be altered or restructured according to the g. and you and they could start
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a new war and there would be no legislative mechanism to stop it so i think there's a real serious dilemma that is going on and at the heart of it is the decision about what kind of state libya will look like in the midst of 10 years since the arab spring. can i just add to that that i think since you mentioned the you know the ceasefire that is holding and that is a positive thing it is absolutely a positive thing for us elements but a lot more has to happen between now and december when national elections are supposed to take place then a cease fire holding can you imagine under the circumstances today you know holding elections so basically you know i think that you know while it's absolutely great that the ceasefire has been holding but the warlords and the war criminals who have been ruling the scene since at least 2014 i could go back to earlier times but let's say since at least 2014 are still very running among civilians and are still able to regroup and are still able to launch their. attacks and this is by no
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means conditions that are conducive to hold free and fair elections such as those that are supposed to happen towards the end of the are. you going to elect you go to elect your prime minister you don't go to elect your military unless the u.n. fix this area this is the unification of the military is the one of the militias on the west and in the east of the country in the south let's go to hopefully a really seriously there's no chance in hell that libya will transition to democracy if you don't have a neutral subservient military but you're not living in a democracy then you've got the world i want to play this to you how this is how. who is thinking forward thinking optimistic about what may be possible for libya have that have a lesson. after multiple wars political chaos and extreme violence libya can still find peace the question as how can we as libyans
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build peace libya needs to have its own nationwide peace process that includes everyone and it does not exclude anyone that will this process must also include a nationwide reconsolidation process because after war is in conflict we as libyan we need to speak to one another through dialogues and most importantly such peace process must be driven and led by libya's best and greatest assets which are women and young people. maybe that's the missing link quite well we mean. by local out of the conversation maybe that will bring peace to live or maybe women will bring peace a lot more. well i think 1st. yes absolutely i agree that women could play i mean it's historical if you read the libyan history there they do have that all women and young men and i guess they need to have the chance and the art
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of male but the way if i was an us that if we managed to to get to the military for i mean at the security stability then we we will need to talk to each other but before that i think it is it would be quite risky you cannot meet because you know any consolation it means that you need to talk about everything and you need to have a fair legal system you need to have. i mean a whole process that cannot be done when you when you are most of the country is i mean in stable and you know there is no rule of law whatsoever i cannot see this happening but i believe in reconciliation and i believe that it has to be a holistic approach but the blows not start from what happened in the 2 or 2019 conflict or 2014 conflict i believe that we need a holistic consolation that goes back since 1969 and we need to open
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the our old wounds and heal the problems that you know really contributed to the accumulated the libyan issues of that we cannot really build the state without really addressing that issue that we have been in the past thank you so much did you hear that huge sigh the alice just gave out. but. it was a depression. it was a living want to listen to his usual sighs i just. thank you for the others mystic sigh as have a look down here on my laptop this is where you find and this is why you find hana and lost lost in the libya conversation that is definitely our for this is where your. find how to thank you for your comments and questions and they are case signing off next time and so watching everybody take a. good.
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