tv Talk to Al Jazeera Diana Trujillo Al Jazeera January 16, 2021 7:30am-8:01am +03
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al-jazeera. where every group. will. look to see. we often hear people say the sky is the limit but some choose to chase their dreams far beyond them. one of them is nasa's aerospace engineer the ana trujillo at $41.00 to heal is a lead engineer at the jet propulsion laboratory. she is the mission lead for the mars curiosity rover designed to explore the red planet's gale crater and track any signs of life. the car sized rover was launched in november 2011 and landed 9 months later since then it has driven more than 20 kilometers on the martian surface not a lot you might think in more than 8 years but its top speed is just 0400
kilometers an hour. trujillo is part of the perseverance project a rover designed to explore another crater on mars the jazeera it was launched in july last year and it is not scheduled to land until february the 18th while nasa is perseverance project is on the way on this episode of talk to al-jazeera we explore to us very own story of determination. born in colombia she grew up in her native kali in the eighty's in the years when colombia's history was stained by blood. violence and crime. at just 17 deanna packed her bags and without speaking any english and with only $300.00 in her pocket migrated to the united states. there she worked as a housekeeper to pay for her education and achieve her american dream. but how does a girl from cali become a leading in at nasa and how has her journey as an immigrant influenced her work. we find out more as nasa's aerospace engineer deanna trejo talks to al-jazeera.
nasa aerospace engineer deanna theo thank you for talking to. my pleasure thank you for inviting me deana what's the goal that you're aiming for once the perseverance rover lands on mars. oh my good days are starting with high questions are out of the way they gave up. well i didn't want to be i thought i have several things in my. i think that your question is probably what's my personal goal and my personal goal after we land and we do all the tech ouds and we find hopefully that there was life on another planet and at some point that i feel like i'm going to have to just like drop the mike and then just walk out of my office and just be done with that and feel like i did to go for the next step of my life i have there are several things in my life that i've 'd been thinking about i'm not 100 percent sure yet one
of them is what i'd like to actually pursue the dream of becoming an astronaut at some point that's one option but sometimes i also a you know they give out probably being a doctor in the future and trying to return back to the community and so i don't have the i'm as i feel like my path has always been dictated by something else bigger than myself so i'm looking forward to whatever comes next all right let me take that a step further let's say that you do become an astronaut in the future and that there is a crude mission to mars would you want to be on that mission absolutely no dad or d.n.a. let me ask you specifically about the perseverence because you're working on the robotic arm why is the robotic arm such an important and integrity part of this mission. well it's the way that we explore right so the way that we actually explore we need to make sure that we can drive the vehicle in many areas so that the scientists have oh all the options that they want to understand of the terrain
but then the robotic arm comes in and that's really that's really like that connection with the ground right and i see it more as if you were a geologist if you were a scientist or imagine yourself just going to the park and finding a rock i have 2 kids and i've seen them do that and your immediate reaction is to get down closer i've pull it out with your hand and put it closer to your eyes right to see it and so the robotic arm in my mind it's it's really that human connection that mimics what i just described but they want to get the engineering part of it as you are touching the ground with their robotic arm 7 for arm when i die norma's there is instruments on that turret so i did as if it was your hand with your fingers some of those instruments one of the pigs saw the other one sherlock which is split into sherlock and watson i have the ability to take images and make a map over by a signature and are we going to see on the ground so that we can actually
understand what are the areas where there will be highest possibility for finding any signature of life in the past so to me the robotic arm is very dear to my heart because it's really it serves those 2 purposes it is the it is my hand i can see it on the of the camera as i can see it up and gave him that idea that if you're your own man and then at the same time he's carrying these 2 instruments that will help us find the critical question so when it comes to the robotic arm when it comes to the instruments like pixel and sherlock you're going to be collecting samples on mars you're going to be analyzing those samples on mars but then also there is a plan to be collecting samples and storing them on mars and then at some point in the future trying to get those samples back to earth that's the. something that's been attempted before right that's correct so yes you do get a very good description of a what the intent here is so the intent is that we lamp is the size of
laser eye nuclear power robot with the most complex mechanical system we have ever flown which is that cash and sample system and the intent that we're going to do here is that as we're trying to drive and find it on a jess or a crater if there was any signature a life with a robotic arm we take them out of that i explained and in addition to that the robotic arm itself has a drill which will then collect the sample put it on that on a tube just like if you were thinking about when you go get your blood test done like a tube so put it on the tube and then put it inside the belly of the rover while he goes inside the belly of the rover it goes into the cache and system which is a place where there is 49 other tubes and people are not in a way will process that sample he will push the sample will take and it will close that sample and then we will drive to a specific location where we will drop the sample in there once we actually drop the sample the intent is that the next mission the mission that comes after
perseverance them are simple return mission will be the mission that will go to land on mars have a rover that goes find a sample that i just described of perseverance identify pick it up and then launch it back to earth with the expectation that that will be the 1st sample that we will ever return from another planet so perseverance is doing the 1st step of that nasa made the perseverance mission a priority when the covert 19 pandemic struck they established a special work protocol so that the launch deadline could be met were you worried that it might not happen that it might be delayed. to be on as it didn't occur to me that it was going to get delayed we were already on our way i think that # to answer your question very specifically my team was actually in l.a. when we were going to fly to florida to do for the final to bed check out for the army we were we're going to fly on friday and a cold 1000 protocols and all the issues that happened where we locked down was on
thursday so for my team it was quite hard because we needed to respond immediately not only to go home but go home and tomorrow morning we're starting operations remotely for the 1st time nobody had to find it like this before so we had to figure it out the moment where i saw my team the next morning after all of that happened walk in and run a flawless shift flawless shift it was when i realized we're going to pull it off there's no way we're going to be able to do it and then that's a bit more probable cause to ensure that all the people in the other teams were also safe so yeah i have no doubt we were going to make it down and you have such an inspiring back story i want to talk a little bit about your childhood i i saw a video of a talk you gave in which you described how your mother and your grandmother how they had essentially nicknamed you lady diana after princess diana thinking that that would give you the inspiration to achieve the goals that they could not to you
could see that you could achieve those dreams but you said that you were less inspired by princess diana princess who had been on earth than another princes who had been in space could you share that story of course i think that i were you referring really of prison play out here and then life later on ray. that i think that the star wars princesses exactly i feel like yeah absolutely my family. called me and i actually mutilated i asked so. the expectation was that. they were giving me the best that they could even if it was through the name and demonstrating with the expectations that baby with the hopes that they couldn't achieve what they wanted to do but they were hoping that i could buy my great grandma didn't go to school all my grandma just went up to a 5th grade my mom went into university but then dropped off to help my dad.
and i think that they all fell like. somebody else needs to do this and by gradually between them they had push each other higher by recognize that they hadn't gotten to where they needed to be so i think that they all just try to put that on me not as a is your turn by more life let us help you with what we can is it true that when you were growing up in cali colombia that because it was so violent that you would look up into the night sky and look at the stars and that was a safe space for you and is that how you 1st got interested in space exploration it is true that in a fine it was really hard or really. too much i would say in by the time when when i was in columbia going that route was just an unsightly on itself right and so. all of that makes it just kind of internalized everything or maybe look for a place to still feel like you belong without being scared and so that's when
for me laying down on the ground looking at the sky you know i don't know about you but i love the smell grass when is wet and so laid out on the grass melling the grass and looking at the sky and thinking this got a bit better this got to get better and seeing that the sky works right it's insane how much peace it brings if you really look at it and nothing is like colliding with each other nothing seems to be fighting everything just works great and each one of those dice is just a whirl in its own class is just magical byt self and so i think that that was what inspired me to ask the question of like how does this all work the ana you left columbia when you were 17 you went to miami you only had $300.00 in your pocket you worked as a maid to get yourself through school how did you go from vat to becoming part of
the nasa program. to be honest i don't know. i will i will say 2 things why i know what i did which is what i'm going to answer now the question really that is underlined all of this is how in the world of all those things line up in a way that i can actually make it i don't know the answer i think that i am a i'm a person that believes in god so to me this is where a guy walks in and said you're doing everything i'm doing the rest and so i'm going to focus on what i am doing or what i did which is yeah i i just i just really honestly just work super hard i just work hard i didn't actually like. they give out what other people were doing that i wasn't doing or compare myself with them or try to it's my turn or anything like that to me was just see the only thing i can do is to do my best focus on the thing that i have make sure that what i have in my hands i can you know wider read any increase and grow it and grow it out of i don't
have my own abilities and not grow it out of fear because somebody else is going to intercept me so i kind of to need to now i should say everybody else from the expectations because you know if you tell somebody hey i'm a maid i would like to work at nasa it's like ok things don't go together in many people's heads but what i realized was that what i was what i was was a and what i am is a resource for creative person and so to me working as a maid wasn't that i was going to be a maid for the rest of my life it was that was the resource i had available at that time and not identify it so i went for it and the same thing for my next door to i'm a next job and and i just saw everything as a opportunities coming my way that were available for me to grow. and then recognizing what the goal was and where i wanted to be the whole time you were the
1st immigrant latina woman in the nasa academy program what was that experience like for you. it was interesting. it was interesting because i knew english i had been on college for 2 years but i didn't know english well enough to feel like i could communicate i'd the level that i wanted to adopt a place that i was with the people that i was with and so it was a it was a very hard experience for me not because a situation was hard it was a very high experience for me because i needed to overcome myself i needed to i dug point realize it doesn't matter if you are not of the lever you want to be just accept the fact that you are here and. i get make the best out of what you have right now the end of your work is so unique you have to come up with ideas that nobody else has come up with i'm curious how your experience as an immigrant influences your work oh absolutely it influences that
a lot i think that maybe this is probably the primary thing that that or the direct connection in between my maybe i'm from colombia my culture or my nationality my my the way that i came in having been enemy ground working from the bottom total direct connection here it is direct connection because because of what i mentioned earlier is all about. i always see the possibilities so. coming out way different solutions that are not evident is something that i feel like immigrants have innate on themselves and it's even more predominant i feel like when you're an immigrant from a 3rd world country you know everybody is expected to have a locked up or were not or everybody's expected to you know go to home depot and buy everything that they need to create their project by the way just how paper and tape if take out all right and so i think that that makes you have to think
about different ways of making it happen and so that's one thing the other thing i also feel like in my culture specifically we we work we walk like a group right and so it's all about you know my mom my grandma my on my cousins and so it's us extended family where you inevitably have learned that you're working in a huge team with a bunch of people that have different opinions and i take that to my right now is exactly like that right you have a lot of people with different opinions and now it's up to you to tease out which ones are the opinions that need to be evaluated i am very grateful that you know we have to come up with ideas obviously they are not just my ideas but is the ideas of the team and and having come from a big family also makes you think about it doesn't always have to be your idea it just has to be an idea that works do you know how difficult is it to be a female aerospace engineer i would assume that nasa would be more of
a male dominated environment it is bad to be honest i feel like when a polo happened told me i would dominate i know there's other areas of the center that are still very male dominated i think that even if i don't speak about nasa but we go to the college as right and we look at aerospace engineering electrical engineer mechanical engineering there's not enough women on those mayors. or in their classes right and so it is not just nasa it's the way that we are bringing in women into the pipeline and having that when my graduate to go into jobs so this is where all the stuff are hurting now how is it when you're a woman you know to be honest i feel like my team specifically and when i see my team are i'm saying the perseverance team there's a lot of women a lot of women in high positions to be my bosses are actually all women i see
you're asking me right now they're all women and it's just great to see that by the view if you think about like what's on the top top top top top all men. got a problem i think that because there are so many women at the level that i am and my direct boss isn't my boss is bosses i see i see the possibilities of not seen distinction anymore but instead focusing on the content and the performance can this person do the job how important is it for you to serve as a role model for young people from latin america who want to pursue a career in science and engineering. are really extremely important to do that i think that to me the reason why is so important is not so much because i'm a white man in the room it is important to me because i want to make sure that whatever i represent which i different things. i represented in a way that other people now start thinking that those are options for them and so
for being is very important that people see me doing this job is because i feel like we have so much capacity to do so many things creativity and resourceful unless it's incredibly important and so if we want to create new technologies if we want to do new things that nobody else has thought about it before it requires us to think straight t.v. and resourcefulness and to be honest person. there is as well like don't give up and those 3 things to me are very much to the core of an immigrant or to a core over a person from one from of their war country right i'm not saying that other people though have it but i'm just saying that's not something that is just every day life you exercise that aspect of your life so often that it makes you and your mind a perfect candidate to color when new and creative ways of doing things down a recently a former peace in
a candidate named lauren whiskey from delaware tweeted most 3rd world migrants cannot to similate into civil societies prove me wrong that's what the tweet said you're obviously one of the millions who have proved her wrong but what do you say to statements like that i don't have to say anything to be honest i understand that maybe that person doesn't grasp the concept of what is being explain or said or. the death of their words i don't know it is not for me to pass judgment on that person but when somebody says that to be honest i don't. i'm not worried about it because i don't live my life by comments like that right it's fine you think that that's the way that is going to go but this is how i conduct my life and it's clear to me that that person and i don't get to interact in the way that i wish we could but that doesn't stop me from being myself i'm not going to stop them from
understanding what the reality is if they take on the other side that is a choice that they need to make but their choices don't interfere with my choices now they're probably if i want to do something and then the other person does not allow me to or block me from doing what i need to do because of that beneath that thankfully that hasn't happened to me and thankfully the track that i am in a so based on performance now i want to live that there's no instances not now in my life but in the past where people look down on you or people say well you can't say that right you must not understand or people that really don't know who i am or having worked with may and misjudge me because i misspell a word or say something that is it's not accurate that it's not correct or grammatically correct let me say though if i don't care about that either because i know that in 5 minutes when the time comes and it's my turn to talk i know my stuff and nobody's going to think that way for me either so i do my job and i conduct my
life with excellence regardless about what everybody else says and when my turn comes to going to see. you work with organizations like the brook owens fellowship these are groups that are designed to help young women who want to explore the sky and stars in your experience with the women who you have helped what are the biggest challenges that women in minorities face this moment and are things getting any better for them yes so i think the biggest challenge that we're facing away met in general and the women a minority even more and is related also is. i would say in processing not knowing your own worth. and thinking that what you're giving is not sufficient that you need to give more there's some higher expectation and then that combined with somebody else saying a comment like the previous coming that you mentioned to me it does rattles anybody spirit in every anybody's if perspective on themselves that it's i feel like
a combination of what or the issues that we need to work on to help women that are coming in even through the group or a fellowship or not recognize the value that they can break to the table and that value is actually determined by themselves and not by somebody else it is clear that the value needs to match the need for the job but besides that it is now that so that that's one aspect now i think it's getting better for them i think that they're not getting better at the rate that we should be and i think with the situation we cover 19 things get even harder because imagine you're trying to interview for a job and you don't get to meet the person by you get to work on your 1st job and interview for your 1st stop ever be a skype or be a zoo that makes things way harder so i'm a little bit wary about that that we were making i grew a good change by what more women coming into the workforce but we need to find a way of how kobe's going to hurt us on the progress as
a role model what is your message to those little girls in developing countries who look up to you and who want to do what you are doing i think that for me for the for the those little girls in developing countries or even a country on even i was not the only countries right i feel like the message should be the same which is find what you like. find what you like and find what you like not because somebody told you what it should be or what they see you doing take some time i thought boy i don't know if it's on your day or your week a however you do it but shut everything down and just sit down and they are back there or whatever and think about why you want to do and a perspective on what makes you happy why that makes what brings you joy and when you identify what makes you happy and one makes brings you joy then try to trace that to a role model that is doing something similar so you can look at their tragic story and decide ok they did it that way i want to do it this way with bad not bad with
this and then find a way of channel i see what you love with a plan that potentially you can follow so that can put you on that track where you can discover who you can become. don't let anybody else tell you what you need to do now as an aerospace engineer deanna to feel thank you for talking to 0 my pleasure thanks for they made. my. and then the nz a block on another block to look at them. have a look at the little socialism and the sort of shut in less than and then over here . with some of those i'm going to have middle class and the me who's missing. for the world. they are the only here to.
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